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Steve wrote:
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It's how a wireman, rather than electrician, does things.

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In article ,
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It's how a wireman, rather than electrician, does things.

One lesson learned after going round the country doing similar (not
quite as anal) work for years is that when you go back three months
later after the local IT people have been patching you might as well not
have bothered in the first place.
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Nick (=----)

On 25/01/16 08:48, Nick wrote:
In message , "Dave Plowman (News)"
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In article ,
Steve wrote:
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It's how a wireman, rather than electrician, does things.

One lesson learned after going round the country doing similar (not
quite as anal) work for years is that when you go back three months
later after the local IT people have been patching you might as well not
have bothered in the first place.

And what have they been patching?

- NAS Drives
- Wireless Access points
- Random Printers
- IP Cameras

These if there is a local PC World around the corner, credit card and
idle non-IT department hands employed. Configured as they work out of
the box, nice and secure (not) :-(

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It's how a wireman, rather than electrician, does things.

One lesson learned after going round the country doing similar (not
quite as anal) work for years is that when you go back three months
later after the local IT people have been patching you might as well not
have bothered in the first place.

You need strict control and ownership.

Which would be in the hands of those local IT persons.

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In message , "Dave Plowman (News)"
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In article ,
Steve wrote:
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It's how a wireman, rather than electrician, does things.

One lesson learned after going round the country doing similar (not
quite as anal) work for years is that when you go back three months
later after the local IT people have been patching you might as well
not have bothered in the first place.

You need strict control and ownership.

Good luck with that. Large organisations have many large offices, many
groups of staff, contractors and sub-contractors with different
projects, aims and ICT needs. Stir in the usual, reasonably sized
proportion of humans that DGAF and those that want their new piece of
kit ratified and on the network yesterday, and any control system
shortly ceases to work. That system can then be used for the easier task
of herding rabid cats.
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Nick (=----)

On 25/01/2016 10:17, Tim Streater wrote:

You need strict control and ownership.


Nice idea .. but if a server goes down at daft o'clock in the morning on
critical services .. focus is on getting service back up ....... and it
s only takes a few 'temporary' patching exercises to get back into a mess.

On 25/01/16 12:07, Huge wrote:
On 2016-01-25, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Nick
wrote:

In message , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes
In article ,
Steve wrote:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/lukebailey/s...bles#.fxBVLNxb

It's how a wireman, rather than electrician, does things.

One lesson learned after going round the country doing similar (not
quite as anal) work for years is that when you go back three months
later after the local IT people have been patching you might as well not
have bothered in the first place.

You need strict control and ownership.

Doesn't work.


Does, but its hells own inefficient. BTDTGTTS.

Back in the day working for companies doing military design and
production, you want to change something. You raise a change note. The
change note gets assessed and then authorised, the manager then
circulates the change note to everybody affected, and schedules a date
for it to change and gives a new issue number, on the day the
circuit/procedure/'whatever changes everyone who has a record of what it
used to be like, must update their records to what it *now* is like.

In the toilets, above the toilet rolls were pinned little cartoons of
people wiping their arses with the caption 'the job isn't done till you
have done the paperwork'.

Anal, inefficient, but effective.

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guns, why should we let them have ideas?

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It's how a wireman, rather than electrician, does things.

The last time I did any box stitching was on the strowger exchange that
served Dave Plowman's area of Balham (Old Devonshire Road to be precise)
and that would have been about 1966, after that the PO succumbed to
cable grids over the equipment and cables were just layed (slung) over
the top, although still stitched when going up or down to other floors.

Peter

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Hmmm

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Very neat. And expensive.
I wonder what it looks like inside the cabinets?

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The big problem with all that is if there's a fault, there's no bit of "spare" wire to pull in.
So any repair will be very expensive.

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I run many projects in Data Centres - this is typical new work standard
in the better centres.
Unfortunately if it is a customer owned facility on premise or a CoLo
.... it starts becoming a mess after the first server swap out, or
re-patching.


I have seen 2 real nightmares ... one in a in London where the number of
CAT5 cables plugged into front of rack were grouped to several bundles
about a foot in diameter ... looping up to trays at ceiling level ....
became so heavy it pulled the whole rack over, and ripped tray off the
ceiling - taking out a lot of International data.
The workaround was rope hanging from ceiling to take weight of CAT5

Another had added so many cables over the years without removing the old
ones that the floor tiles would no longer lie flat .. thousands of
cables in a giant spaghetti .......

On Sun, 24 Jan 2016 13:36:07 +0000, Tim Streater
wrote:

snip

Anyone read the comments? I saw people bleating about how all these
ties would have to be cut to add a cable - overlooking that everything
was already cabled up.

More like 'move' a cable from my experience.

Someone somewhere needs the port at the back of their desk plugged
into some 'other' system or that single port fails on the switch?

I used to have it 'neat' but not inflexible.

I also tried to keep the mains cords away from the data.

And of course, all this depends on the role / environment, and if
there is a patch panel between the structured wiring and the equipment
ports.

If you have say a large telesales floor then the chances are 99% of
the users will all be patched into the same service and unlikely to
ever change.

If it's a small development lab (where most people there know what
they are doing) then it's more likely to get moved about so left more
like an old corded telephone exchange. ;-)

I helped a mate setup his office in a fully managed building. They
charged for nearly everything *except*, use of the structured cabling.
Soo, I got them to cross patch a few of the patch panels at the comms
room (well, I did it myself in the end) to save me having to run
cables around the office (the desks were grouped in islands).

So, The 'Internet' might come in on a double floor port 1 and go into
their router WAN port. From there it would go from a router LAN port
to a 5 port switch with one port going back to floor port 2, up to the
comms room, patched to port 5 and then back down to floor port 5 by
the next group of desks and another 5 port switch (and the 3 PC's
there). Back out of the switch into floor port 6 and again onto the
last group of PC's via the comms room. ;-)

A lot easier than running more trunking around the skirting. ;-)

Cheers, T i m