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Why?
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On Monday, 9 November 2015 17:27:02 UTC, Brian Gaff wrote:
Why?
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I can think of a few practical difficulties myself.
eg
Who is actually flying the thing and how do they know where to go?
Must they keep it in sight?
What happens if it loses it's control/video signal[behind a building say]?

Sounds like someone's got a toy and trying to justify/find a use for it.

harry wrote
harry wrote

https://www.youtube.com/embed/y-rEI4bezWc

I can think of a few practical difficulties myself.
eg
Who is actually flying the thing

It flys itself.

and how do they know where to go?

The person who needs it says where its needed.

Must they keep it in sight?

Nope, because it flys itself.

What happens if it loses it's control/video signal[behind a building say]?

It isn't controlled by anyone, it flys itself.

Sounds like someone's got a toy and
trying to justify/find a use for it.

Then you need to get those ears tested, BAD.

harry wrote

https://www.youtube.com/embed/y-rEI4bezWc

Still needs a lot of work. There is no way that 'go to the
nearest exit' is going to be where the drone is, stupid.

Rod Speed wrote:
harry wrote

https://www.youtube.com/embed/y-rEI4bezWc

Still needs a lot of work. There is no way that 'go to the
nearest exit' is going to be where the drone is, stupid.

Stupid Australian trolling ****.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!ms...g/arbvFRAzMq0J

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-settlers.html

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Rod Speed wrote:
harry wrote

https://www.youtube.com/embed/y-rEI4bezWc

Still needs a lot of work. There is no way that 'go to the
nearest exit' is going to be where the drone is, stupid.

Stupid Australian trolling ****.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!ms...g/arbvFRAzMq0J

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-settlers.html

Spot on.

On 09/11/2015 16:30, harry wrote:
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AEDs are an excellent idea but an awful lot of public places already
have one mounted on a wall somewhere. If you dial 999 and they decide
you need one, you will be directed to the closest. As, in the UK at
least, drones have to be within 500m of the operator, the extra
complication of a drone seems pointless.

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On 09/11/2015 19:59, Nightjar cpb wrote:
On 09/11/2015 16:30, harry wrote:
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AEDs are an excellent idea snip

Not so sure, genuinely. If the ambulance is only a few minutes away,
why stop CPR while the AED takes measurements? This is valuable time
when blood could be circulating, albeit at a much reduced rate.

Cheers
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Syd

On 09/11/2015 21:25, Syd Rumpo wrote:
On 09/11/2015 19:59, Nightjar cpb wrote:
On 09/11/2015 16:30, harry wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/embed/y-rEI4bezWc


AEDs are an excellent idea snip

Not so sure, genuinely. If the ambulance is only a few minutes away,

The target is that first response should reach the victim within eight
minutes. A transport ambulance should arrive within 19 minutes. Not all
calls achieve those targets.

why stop CPR while the AED takes measurements? This is valuable time
when blood could be circulating, albeit at a much reduced rate.

Part of the logic is that not everybody can do CPR, but anybody can
follow the instructions from an AED.


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In message , "Nightjar
cpb" "insert my surname writes
On 09/11/2015 21:25, Syd Rumpo wrote:
On 09/11/2015 19:59, Nightjar cpb wrote:
On 09/11/2015 16:30, harry wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/embed/y-rEI4bezWc


AEDs are an excellent idea snip

Not so sure, genuinely. If the ambulance is only a few minutes away,

The target is that first response should reach the victim within eight
minutes. A transport ambulance should arrive within 19 minutes. Not all
calls achieve those targets.

Indeed, our village is 20 mins drive from the nearest ambulance station,
- even blue lighting it I doubt they would do it in less than 15. Ok,
the ambulance might already be out somewhere, but that doesn't mean it
will be nearer.

why stop CPR while the AED takes measurements? This is valuable time
when blood could be circulating, albeit at a much reduced rate.

Part of the logic is that not everybody can do CPR, but anybody can
follow the instructions from an AED.


Yes, and the effectiveness of CPR is limited - it's not like the TV :-)
And even people who can do CPR, lots of them are probably like me and
somewhat rusty
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On 10/11/2015 11:15, Chris French wrote:
In message , "Nightjar
cpb" "insert my surname writes
On 09/11/2015 21:25, Syd Rumpo wrote:
On 09/11/2015 19:59, Nightjar cpb wrote:
On 09/11/2015 16:30, harry wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/embed/y-rEI4bezWc


AEDs are an excellent idea snip

Not so sure, genuinely. If the ambulance is only a few minutes away,

The target is that first response should reach the victim within eight
minutes. A transport ambulance should arrive within 19 minutes. Not
all calls achieve those targets.

Indeed, our village is 20 mins drive from the nearest ambulance station,
- even blue lighting it I doubt they would do it in less than 15. Ok,
the ambulance might already be out somewhere, but that doesn't mean it
will be nearer.

why stop CPR while the AED takes measurements? This is valuable time
when blood could be circulating, albeit at a much reduced rate.

Part of the logic is that not everybody can do CPR, but anybody can
follow the instructions from an AED.


Yes, and the effectiveness of CPR is limited - it's not like the TV :-)
And even people who can do CPR, lots of them are probably like me and
somewhat rusty

De-fibrillation isn't like TV either - only a quarter of arrests are AED
'shockable' arrhythmias, so three out of four times you'd be wasting
valuable blood-pumping time. As you know, even with a second person
setting up the AED, there is a considerable measurement time during
which the patient can't be touched.

I think it's a genuine problem, and I can't find clear-cut statistics.

Cheers
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On 10/11/2015 10:14, Nightjar cpb wrote:
but anybody can follow the instructions from an AED.

Yup your significant other/parent is lying there not breathing and
covered in their own vomit. Of course anyone (hah) will be calm
enough to use a piece of medical equipment.

(IMHO) You cannot ask an acquaintance of the injured party to do
ANYTHING beyond the "keep pressure on here"/ "go direct the Ambulance
to here" sort of help. Yes some will 'keep their heads' and do
anything you say but most will just be a 'gibbering mess".


ANECDOTE :-
I was the first aider at work when a guest had a heart attack and I had
to perform CPR on him, I was flapping big style (brought him back a
couple of times and he was still alive when he was put in the
Ambulance) if it had been someone I knew, I doubt I could have followed
instructions on how to use fairly technical equipment.

On 10/11/2015 12:37, soup wrote:
On 10/11/2015 10:14, Nightjar cpb wrote:
but anybody can follow the instructions from an AED.

Yup your significant other/parent is lying there not breathing and
covered in their own vomit. Of course anyone (hah) will be calm
enough to use a piece of medical equipment.

(IMHO) You cannot ask an acquaintance of the injured party to do
ANYTHING beyond the "keep pressure on here"/ "go direct the Ambulance
to here" sort of help. Yes some will 'keep their heads' and do
anything you say but most will just be a 'gibbering mess".


ANECDOTE :-
I was the first aider at work when a guest had a heart attack and I had
to perform CPR on him, I was flapping big style (brought him back a
couple of times and he was still alive when he was put in the
Ambulance) if it had been someone I knew, I doubt I could have followed
instructions on how to use fairly technical equipment.


AEDs are kept in public places - garden centres, shopping arcades and
even the middle of a high street, for example. There is a fairly good
chance that there will be at least one person around with the presence
of mind to grab it and anybody who thinks of that will be able to follow
the step by step instructions given verbally by the machine.

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Colin Bignell

On 10/11/2015 12:37, soup wrote:
On 10/11/2015 10:14, Nightjar cpb wrote:
but anybody can follow the instructions from an AED.

Yup your significant other/parent is lying there not breathing and
covered in their own vomit. Of course anyone (hah) will be calm
enough to use a piece of medical equipment.
Speaking from direct experience, in such a crisis it's surprising how
well a person can perform.

Bill

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On 09/11/2015 16:30, harry wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/embed/y-rEI4bezWc


AEDs are an excellent idea but an awful lot of public places already have
one mounted on a wall somewhere. If you dial 999 and they decide you need
one, you will be directed to the closest. As, in the UK at least, drones
have to be within 500m of the operator, the extra complication of a drone
seems pointless.

Dunno, it would make vandalism much less of a
problem and would likely be much cheaper too.

And that approach would fix the problem I had too.

And the within 500m of the operator wouldn’t have to apply to those.

On 09/11/2015 22:04, Rod Speed wrote:


"Nightjar cpb.me.uk" "insert my surname here wrote in message
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On 09/11/2015 16:30, harry wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/embed/y-rEI4bezWc


AEDs are an excellent idea but an awful lot of public places already
have one mounted on a wall somewhere. If you dial 999 and they decide
you need one, you will be directed to the closest. As, in the UK at
least, drones have to be within 500m of the operator, the extra
complication of a drone seems pointless.

Dunno, it would make vandalism much less of a
problem and would likely be much cheaper too.

Even where I know of units placed on a wall in the high street,
vandalism does not seem to be a problem. Possibly the fact that the box
is clearly marked that opening it will alert the emergency services and
there is CCTV covering the area might help.


And that approach would fix the problem I had too.

And the within 500m of the operator wouldn’t have to apply to those.

As the law stands in the UK, it would. Strictly, the rule is that the
drone must stay within the operator's line of sight, which is generally
taken to be 500m horizontally and 400ft vertically.

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In message , "Nightjar
cpb" "insert my surname writes
On 09/11/2015 22:04, Rod Speed wrote:


"Nightjar cpb.me.uk" "insert my surname here wrote in message
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On 09/11/2015 16:30, harry wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/embed/y-rEI4bezWc


AEDs are an excellent idea but an awful lot of public places already
have one mounted on a wall somewhere. If you dial 999 and they decide
you need one, you will be directed to the closest. As, in the UK at
least, drones have to be within 500m of the operator, the extra
complication of a drone seems pointless.

Dunno, it would make vandalism much less of a
problem and would likely be much cheaper too.

Even where I know of units placed on a wall in the high street,
vandalism does not seem to be a problem. Possibly the fact that the box
is clearly marked that opening it will alert the emergency services and
there is CCTV covering the area might help.

Yup, we have one on the village high street. On the wall outside the
village shop, it's never suffered vandalism (and we do get it in places
in the village)
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"Nightjar cpb.me.uk" "insert my surname here wrote in message
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On 09/11/2015 22:04, Rod Speed wrote:


"Nightjar cpb.me.uk" "insert my surname here wrote in message
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On 09/11/2015 16:30, harry wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/embed/y-rEI4bezWc


AEDs are an excellent idea but an awful lot of public places already
have one mounted on a wall somewhere. If you dial 999 and they decide
you need one, you will be directed to the closest. As, in the UK at
least, drones have to be within 500m of the operator, the extra
complication of a drone seems pointless.

Dunno, it would make vandalism much less of a
problem and would likely be much cheaper too.

Even where I know of units placed on a wall in the high street, vandalism
does not seem to be a problem.

Didn’t someone report significant vandalism in here in the past ?

Possibly the fact that the box is clearly marked that opening it will
alert the emergency services and there is CCTV covering the area might
help.

One of those reality TV doco series showed some arseholes
that appear to use that sort of thing as an incitement to
vandalise for the cameras etc when blotto.

And that approach would fix the problem I had too.

And the within 500m of the operator wouldn’t have to apply to those.

As the law stands in the UK, it would.

Sure, but that can obviously be changed for those.

Strictly, the rule is that the drone must stay within the operator's line
of sight, which is generally taken to be 500m horizontally and 400ft
vertically.

On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 8:00:12 PM UTC, wrote:
On 09/11/2015 16:30, harry wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/embed/y-rEI4bezWc


AEDs are an excellent idea but an awful lot of public places already
have one mounted on a wall somewhere. If you dial 999 and they decide
you need one, you will be directed to the closest. As, in the UK at
least, drones have to be within 500m of the operator, the extra
complication of a drone seems pointless.

--
Colin Bignell

http://dronelife.com/2015/11/06/japa...e-regulations/