I have a shower curtain pole to put up in the bathroom

I have hollow stud partition walls with 12.5mm thick aquapanel
plasterboard which is then tiled over with 10mm thick tiles on a bed of
tile adhesive.

So we are looking at 25mm - 26mm thick "wall" before getting through to
the cavity.

Given that this shower curtain is going to get dragged open and shut all
the time, I don't want the wall fixings working loose.

Can anyone recommend a good quality STRONG cavity wall fixing that will
accommodate the thickness of the tile as well as the thickness of the
aquapanel that will hold up the shower curtain rail?

Wing type cavity fittings are out as I don't have a ceramic drill of
sufficient diameter to make a hole large enough to push the wings
through like these he http://www.toolstation.com/shop/p27061 plus
covering up the excessively large hole with the shower curtain rail is
going to be impossible as its of this type of shower curtain:

http://www.victorianplumbing.co.uk/S...%20slenderline

On Friday, August 21, 2015 at 10:27:02 AM UTC+1, Stephen wrote:
I have a shower curtain pole to put up in the bathroom

I have hollow stud partition walls with 12.5mm thick aquapanel
plasterboard which is then tiled over with 10mm thick tiles on a bed of
tile adhesive.

So we are looking at 25mm - 26mm thick "wall" before getting through to
the cavity.

Given that this shower curtain is going to get dragged open and shut all
the time, I don't want the wall fixings working loose.

Can anyone recommend a good quality STRONG cavity wall fixing that will
accommodate the thickness of the tile as well as the thickness of the
aquapanel that will hold up the shower curtain rail?

Wing type cavity fittings are out as I don't have a ceramic drill of
sufficient diameter to make a hole large enough to push the wings
through like these he http://www.toolstation.com/shop/p27061 plus
covering up the excessively large hole with the shower curtain rail is
going to be impossible as its of this type of shower curtain:

http://www.victorianplumbing.co.uk/S...%20slenderline

Is it a straight pole ? If you can you fix the pole by its ends, so there is no leverage force or pull-out force, the fixings will not need to be particularly strong (unless someone will be hanging on it).

There's not a lot of force exerted by shower curtains, which is why those spring loaded poles are often sufficient, but obviously a fixing should be as strong as possible.

I'm not sure of the nature of Aquapanel, but you might find drilling a pilot hole and screwing straight into it is strong enough - use a coarse thread screw. I have a generic cement board as my stud wall, and the shower pole fixing is screwed in like that.
Better still, screw into a stud if you are lucky and there is one in the right place !

Simon.

On 21/08/15 10:27, Stephen wrote:
I have a shower curtain pole to put up in the bathroom

I have hollow stud partition walls with 12.5mm thick aquapanel
plasterboard which is then tiled over with 10mm thick tiles on a bed of
tile adhesive.

So we are looking at 25mm - 26mm thick "wall" before getting through to
the cavity.

Given that this shower curtain is going to get dragged open and shut all
the time, I don't want the wall fixings working loose.

Can anyone recommend a good quality STRONG cavity wall fixing that will
accommodate the thickness of the tile as well as the thickness of the
aquapanel that will hold up the shower curtain rail?

Wing type cavity fittings are out as I don't have a ceramic drill of
sufficient diameter to make a hole large enough to push the wings
through like these he http://www.toolstation.com/shop/p27061 plus
covering up the excessively large hole with the shower curtain rail is
going to be impossible as its of this type of shower curtain:

http://www.victorianplumbing.co.uk/S...%20slenderline


You could glue a female stud (aka threaded spacer) in and use a machine
screw as the final fixing.

On 21/08/2015 11:43, sm_jamieson wrote:
On Friday, August 21, 2015 at 10:27:02 AM UTC+1, Stephen wrote:
I have a shower curtain pole to put up in the bathroom

I have hollow stud partition walls with 12.5mm thick aquapanel
plasterboard which is then tiled over with 10mm thick tiles on a bed of
tile adhesive.

So we are looking at 25mm - 26mm thick "wall" before getting through to
the cavity.

Given that this shower curtain is going to get dragged open and shut all
the time, I don't want the wall fixings working loose.

Can anyone recommend a good quality STRONG cavity wall fixing that will
accommodate the thickness of the tile as well as the thickness of the
aquapanel that will hold up the shower curtain rail?

Wing type cavity fittings are out as I don't have a ceramic drill of
sufficient diameter to make a hole large enough to push the wings
through like these he http://www.toolstation.com/shop/p27061 plus
covering up the excessively large hole with the shower curtain rail is
going to be impossible as its of this type of shower curtain:

http://www.victorianplumbing.co.uk/S...%20slenderline

Is it a straight pole ?

No its not straight pole, its an L shaped pole.....

On Friday, August 21, 2015 at 1:21:42 PM UTC+1, Stephen wrote:
On 21/08/2015 11:43, sm_jamieson wrote:
On Friday, August 21, 2015 at 10:27:02 AM UTC+1, Stephen wrote:
I have a shower curtain pole to put up in the bathroom

I have hollow stud partition walls with 12.5mm thick aquapanel
plasterboard which is then tiled over with 10mm thick tiles on a bed of
tile adhesive.

So we are looking at 25mm - 26mm thick "wall" before getting through to
the cavity.

Given that this shower curtain is going to get dragged open and shut all
the time, I don't want the wall fixings working loose.

Can anyone recommend a good quality STRONG cavity wall fixing that will
accommodate the thickness of the tile as well as the thickness of the
aquapanel that will hold up the shower curtain rail?

Wing type cavity fittings are out as I don't have a ceramic drill of
sufficient diameter to make a hole large enough to push the wings
through like these he http://www.toolstation.com/shop/p27061 plus
covering up the excessively large hole with the shower curtain rail is
going to be impossible as its of this type of shower curtain:

http://www.victorianplumbing.co.uk/S...%20slenderline

Is it a straight pole ?

No its not straight pole, its an L shaped pole.....

Aha. I hope it will have a ceiling support at the corner of the L shape, else I can see why you want good fixings !
Simon.

On 21/08/2015 13:27, sm_jamieson wrote:
On Friday, August 21, 2015 at 1:21:42 PM UTC+1, Stephen wrote:
On 21/08/2015 11:43, sm_jamieson wrote:
On Friday, August 21, 2015 at 10:27:02 AM UTC+1, Stephen wrote:
I have a shower curtain pole to put up in the bathroom

I have hollow stud partition walls with 12.5mm thick aquapanel
plasterboard which is then tiled over with 10mm thick tiles on a bed of
tile adhesive.

So we are looking at 25mm - 26mm thick "wall" before getting through to
the cavity.

Given that this shower curtain is going to get dragged open and shut all
the time, I don't want the wall fixings working loose.

Can anyone recommend a good quality STRONG cavity wall fixing that will
accommodate the thickness of the tile as well as the thickness of the
aquapanel that will hold up the shower curtain rail?

Wing type cavity fittings are out as I don't have a ceramic drill of
sufficient diameter to make a hole large enough to push the wings
through like these he http://www.toolstation.com/shop/p27061 plus
covering up the excessively large hole with the shower curtain rail is
going to be impossible as its of this type of shower curtain:

http://www.victorianplumbing.co.uk/S...%20slenderline

Is it a straight pole ?

No its not straight pole, its an L shaped pole.....

Aha. I hope it will have a ceiling support at the corner of the L shape, else I can see why you want good fixings !
Simon.


yes I have got a ceiling support for the corner but this will be into
plasterboard with a piece of wood on the otherside (which is the loft)

On 21/08/2015 10:27, Stephen wrote:
I have a shower curtain pole to put up in the bathroom

I have hollow stud partition walls with 12.5mm thick aquapanel
plasterboard which is then tiled over with 10mm thick tiles on a bed of
tile adhesive.

So we are looking at 25mm - 26mm thick "wall" before getting through to
the cavity.

Given that this shower curtain is going to get dragged open and shut all
the time, I don't want the wall fixings working loose.

Can anyone recommend a good quality STRONG cavity wall fixing that will
accommodate the thickness of the tile as well as the thickness of the
aquapanel that will hold up the shower curtain rail?

Wing type cavity fittings are out as I don't have a ceramic drill of
sufficient diameter to make a hole large enough to push the wings
through like these he http://www.toolstation.com/shop/p27061 plus
covering up the excessively large hole with the shower curtain rail is
going to be impossible as its of this type of shower curtain:

http://www.victorianplumbing.co.uk/S...%20slenderline


I'd look at rubber well nuts. Say M5 x 40mm to give lots of squidge in
the cavity - you'd need a 10mm hole.

M4 would need an 8mm hole, but the longest I've seen of these are 30mm.
Of course, you could so it with a 40mm M4 bolt, an 8mm diameter by
10mm long spacer then the 30mm well nut.

Ebay has some, eg item 221302990033

Cheers
--
Syd

On 21/08/2015 14:06, Syd Rumpo wrote:
On 21/08/2015 10:27, Stephen wrote:
I have a shower curtain pole to put up in the bathroom

I have hollow stud partition walls with 12.5mm thick aquapanel
plasterboard which is then tiled over with 10mm thick tiles on a bed of
tile adhesive.

So we are looking at 25mm - 26mm thick "wall" before getting through to
the cavity.

Given that this shower curtain is going to get dragged open and shut all
the time, I don't want the wall fixings working loose.

Can anyone recommend a good quality STRONG cavity wall fixing that will
accommodate the thickness of the tile as well as the thickness of the
aquapanel that will hold up the shower curtain rail?

Wing type cavity fittings are out as I don't have a ceramic drill of
sufficient diameter to make a hole large enough to push the wings
through like these he http://www.toolstation.com/shop/p27061 plus
covering up the excessively large hole with the shower curtain rail is
going to be impossible as its of this type of shower curtain:

http://www.victorianplumbing.co.uk/S...%20slenderline



I'd look at rubber well nuts. Say M5 x 40mm to give lots of squidge in
the cavity - you'd need a 10mm hole.

M4 would need an 8mm hole, but the longest I've seen of these are 30mm.
Of course, you could so it with a 40mm M4 bolt, an 8mm diameter by
10mm long spacer then the 30mm well nut.

Ebay has some, eg item 221302990033

Cheers

I can't help you with the fixing but please make sure there is no
electrical wiring in situ behind the partition walls that could be
pierced by your fixing screws.

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On 21/08/2015 14:39, Ash Burton wrote:

snip

I can't help you with the fixing but please make sure there is no
electrical wiring in situ behind the partition walls that could be
pierced by your fixing screws.

Where's the fun in that?

Cheers
--
Syd

On 21/08/2015 14:42, Syd Rumpo wrote:
On 21/08/2015 14:39, Ash Burton wrote:

snip

I can't help you with the fixing but please make sure there is no
electrical wiring in situ behind the partition walls that could be
pierced by your fixing screws.

Where's the fun in that?

Cheers

No fun at all but sadly i've attended a few inquests where touching
'live' shower rails was the C.o.D, when cables behind a stud wall had
been pierced by the rail fixing screws.

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On 21/08/2015 14:39, Ash Burton wrote:
On 21/08/2015 14:06, Syd Rumpo wrote:
On 21/08/2015 10:27, Stephen wrote:
I have a shower curtain pole to put up in the bathroom

I have hollow stud partition walls with 12.5mm thick aquapanel
plasterboard which is then tiled over with 10mm thick tiles on a bed of
tile adhesive.

So we are looking at 25mm - 26mm thick "wall" before getting through to
the cavity.

Given that this shower curtain is going to get dragged open and shut all
the time, I don't want the wall fixings working loose.

Can anyone recommend a good quality STRONG cavity wall fixing that will
accommodate the thickness of the tile as well as the thickness of the
aquapanel that will hold up the shower curtain rail?

Wing type cavity fittings are out as I don't have a ceramic drill of
sufficient diameter to make a hole large enough to push the wings
through like these he http://www.toolstation.com/shop/p27061 plus
covering up the excessively large hole with the shower curtain rail is
going to be impossible as its of this type of shower curtain:

http://www.victorianplumbing.co.uk/S...%20slenderline




I'd look at rubber well nuts. Say M5 x 40mm to give lots of squidge in
the cavity - you'd need a 10mm hole.

M4 would need an 8mm hole, but the longest I've seen of these are 30mm.
Of course, you could so it with a 40mm M4 bolt, an 8mm diameter by
10mm long spacer then the 30mm well nut.

Ebay has some, eg item 221302990033

Cheers

I can't help you with the fixing but please make sure there is no
electrical wiring in situ behind the partition walls that could be
pierced by your fixing screws.

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Thank you for the heads up.

I "personally* know where the electrical cables are as I had taken off
the old plasterboard and replaced it with Aquapanel prior to tiling.

There is just 3 lighting cables between one of the bath corners and the
bathroom door.

Incidentally I have RCBOs on *every" circuit (an RCBO is a MCB and RCD
combined) and of course full earth bonding of the copper piepwork

On 21/08/2015 15:33, Ash Burton wrote:
On 21/08/2015 14:42, Syd Rumpo wrote:
On 21/08/2015 14:39, Ash Burton wrote:

snip

I can't help you with the fixing but please make sure there is no
electrical wiring in situ behind the partition walls that could be
pierced by your fixing screws.

Where's the fun in that?

Cheers

No fun at all but sadly i've attended a few inquests where touching
'live' shower rails was the C.o.D, when cables behind a stud wall had
been pierced by the rail fixing screws.

A few?

Cheers
--
Syd

On 21/08/2015 17:15, Syd Rumpo wrote:
On 21/08/2015 15:33, Ash Burton wrote:
On 21/08/2015 14:42, Syd Rumpo wrote:
On 21/08/2015 14:39, Ash Burton wrote:

snip

I can't help you with the fixing but please make sure there is no
electrical wiring in situ behind the partition walls that could be
pierced by your fixing screws.

Where's the fun in that?

Cheers

No fun at all but sadly i've attended a few inquests where touching
'live' shower rails was the C.o.D, when cables behind a stud wall had
been pierced by the rail fixing screws.

A few?

Cheers

One would have been one too many.

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On 21/08/2015 19:21, Ash Burton wrote:
On 21/08/2015 17:15, Syd Rumpo wrote:
On 21/08/2015 15:33, Ash Burton wrote:
On 21/08/2015 14:42, Syd Rumpo wrote:
On 21/08/2015 14:39, Ash Burton wrote:

snip

I can't help you with the fixing but please make sure there is no
electrical wiring in situ behind the partition walls that could be
pierced by your fixing screws.

Where's the fun in that?

Cheers

No fun at all but sadly i've attended a few inquests where touching
'live' shower rails was the C.o.D, when cables behind a stud wall had
been pierced by the rail fixing screws.

A few?

Cheers

One would have been one too many.

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So how many inquests have you attended where touching live shower rails
was the cause of death?

Not that one shouldn't check or be careful, but for some reason I don't
believe you. Death by electrocution (a tautology, I know) is rare,
about 30 per year in the UK. In this small set, electrified shower
rails don't feature often. Yet you've attended 'a few' such inquests.

Bull****.

Cheers
--
Syd

On 21/08/2015 16:23, Stephen wrote:
On 21/08/2015 14:39, Ash Burton wrote:
On 21/08/2015 14:06, Syd Rumpo wrote:
On 21/08/2015 10:27, Stephen wrote:
I have a shower curtain pole to put up in the bathroom

I have hollow stud partition walls with 12.5mm thick aquapanel
plasterboard which is then tiled over with 10mm thick tiles on a bed of
tile adhesive.

So we are looking at 25mm - 26mm thick "wall" before getting through to
the cavity.

Given that this shower curtain is going to get dragged open and shut
all
the time, I don't want the wall fixings working loose.

Can anyone recommend a good quality STRONG cavity wall fixing that will
accommodate the thickness of the tile as well as the thickness of the
aquapanel that will hold up the shower curtain rail?

Wing type cavity fittings are out as I don't have a ceramic drill of
sufficient diameter to make a hole large enough to push the wings
through like these he http://www.toolstation.com/shop/p27061 plus
covering up the excessively large hole with the shower curtain rail is
going to be impossible as its of this type of shower curtain:

http://www.victorianplumbing.co.uk/S...%20slenderline





I'd look at rubber well nuts. Say M5 x 40mm to give lots of squidge in
the cavity - you'd need a 10mm hole.

M4 would need an 8mm hole, but the longest I've seen of these are 30mm.
Of course, you could so it with a 40mm M4 bolt, an 8mm diameter by
10mm long spacer then the 30mm well nut.

Ebay has some, eg item 221302990033

Cheers

I can't help you with the fixing but please make sure there is no
electrical wiring in situ behind the partition walls that could be
pierced by your fixing screws.

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Thank you for the heads up.

I "personally* know where the electrical cables are as I had taken off
the old plasterboard and replaced it with Aquapanel prior to tiling.

There is just 3 lighting cables between one of the bath corners and the
bathroom door.

Incidentally I have RCBOs on *every" circuit (an RCBO is a MCB and RCD
combined) and of course full earth bonding of the copper piepwork


I wonder whether showers need curtains or screens. Mine's only an 8KW
electric type but the odd bit of water that escapes goes on the bath
mats and they're easy to hang up to dry

On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 10:27:10 +0100, Stephen
wrote:

I have a shower curtain pole to put up in the bathroom

I have hollow stud partition walls with 12.5mm thick aquapanel
plasterboard which is then tiled over with 10mm thick tiles on a bed of
tile adhesive.

So we are looking at 25mm - 26mm thick "wall" before getting through to
the cavity.

Given that this shower curtain is going to get dragged open and shut all
the time, I don't want the wall fixings working loose.

Can anyone recommend a good quality STRONG cavity wall fixing that will
accommodate the thickness of the tile as well as the thickness of the
aquapanel that will hold up the shower curtain rail?

Wing type cavity fittings are out as I don't have a ceramic drill of
sufficient diameter to make a hole large enough to push the wings
through like these he http://www.toolstation.com/shop/p27061 plus
covering up the excessively large hole with the shower curtain rail is
going to be impossible as its of this type of shower curtain:

http://www.victorianplumbing.co.uk/S...%20slenderline

Could you use hollow wall anchors:
http://www.screwfix.com/p/hollow-wal...ck-of-10/12229

or Rawlplug Intersets (lower down on same page)
not sure of hole size but give a secure fixing in cavity walls.

On 22/08/2015 11:57, Davidm wrote:
On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 10:27:10 +0100, Stephen
wrote:

I have a shower curtain pole to put up in the bathroom

I have hollow stud partition walls with 12.5mm thick aquapanel
plasterboard which is then tiled over with 10mm thick tiles on a bed of
tile adhesive.

So we are looking at 25mm - 26mm thick "wall" before getting through to
the cavity.

Given that this shower curtain is going to get dragged open and shut all
the time, I don't want the wall fixings working loose.

Can anyone recommend a good quality STRONG cavity wall fixing that will
accommodate the thickness of the tile as well as the thickness of the
aquapanel that will hold up the shower curtain rail?

Wing type cavity fittings are out as I don't have a ceramic drill of
sufficient diameter to make a hole large enough to push the wings
through like these he http://www.toolstation.com/shop/p27061 plus
covering up the excessively large hole with the shower curtain rail is
going to be impossible as its of this type of shower curtain:

http://www.victorianplumbing.co.uk/S...%20slenderline

Could you use hollow wall anchors:
http://www.screwfix.com/p/hollow-wal...ck-of-10/12229


Thank you for your suggestion, while I can see they would work well in
12.5mm thick PB and 3mm skim, will they work well in a tiled over PB
where the overall thickness is over 25mm?


or Rawlplug Intersets (lower down on same page)
not sure of hole size but give a secure fixing in cavity walls.


I see they have prongs to catch into plaster tyo stop them rotating,
that won't work well on a hole drilled through tiles as the prongs will
either flatten or have to be filed off.

I would recommend hollow wall anchors, you can get them to suit different panel thicknesses look for two numbers in the description which indicate the range of panel thickness, I spotted some that will suit you on SF by Rawlplug I think. As you said the spikes on the flange need to be flattened when used on tiles, done it myself. The one thing to use with the spikes flattened is a setting tool as its the spikes that stop the fixing turning when screwing them up. Setting tools are quite cheap and a good investment if you have many studded walls they cause less damage on the backside of the PB giving a more secure fixing.

Richard

Tricky Dicky wrote in
:

I would recommend hollow wall anchors, you can get them to suit
different panel thicknesses look for two numbers in the description
which indicate the range of panel thickness, I spotted some that will
suit you on SF by Rawlplug I think. As you said the spikes on the
flange need to be flattened when used on tiles, done it myself. The
one thing to use with the spikes flattened is a setting tool as its
the spikes that stop the fixing turning when screwing them up. Setting
tools are quite cheap and a good investment if you have many studded
walls they cause less damage on the backside of the PB giving a more
secure fixing.

Richard


Bung some glue in the hole and it will harden the surrounding PB and
prevent the fixing from wiggling about and working loose. I have ixed many
things using the plastic plugs that are meant to open as the screw is
tightened. Using builders glue makes a secure fixing. I can appreciate in
your case the back of the board is a long way in - but the board itself may
provide a good fixing for an expanding plug (with the glue)