The car model I recently purchased is prone to blown head gaskets....however
there is no water in the oil...no oil in the coolant...no white smoke from
the exhaust....no overheating...no puddles on the ground......so WHERE is my
coolant going ???????

On Wednesday, 10 June 2015 20:37:48 UTC+1, J1MBO/m wrote:
The car model I recently purchased is prone to blown head gaskets....however
there is no water in the oil...no oil in the coolant...no white smoke from
the exhaust....no overheating...no puddles on the ground......so WHERE is my
coolant going ???????

its either boiling off or leaking out somewhere. Those are the options.


NT

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On Wednesday, 10 June 2015 20:37:48 UTC+1, J1MBO/m wrote:
The car model I recently purchased is prone to blown head
gaskets....however there is no water in the oil...no oil in the
coolant...no white smoke from the exhaust....no overheating...no
puddles on the ground......so WHERE is my coolant going ???????

its either boiling off or leaking out somewhere. Those are the options.

leaking heater matrix? Check the carpets for damp.

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On Wednesday, 10 June 2015 20:37:48 UTC+1, J1MBO/m wrote:
The car model I recently purchased is prone to blown head
gaskets....however there is no water in the oil...no oil in the
coolant...no white smoke from the exhaust....no overheating...no
puddles on the ground......so WHERE is my coolant going ???????

its either boiling off or leaking out somewhere. Those are the options.

leaking heater matrix? Check the carpets for damp.

Mmmmm...I think the floor would be awash by now !!! ......

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On Wednesday, 10 June 2015 20:37:48 UTC+1, J1MBO/m wrote:
The car model I recently purchased is prone to blown head
gaskets....however
there is no water in the oil...no oil in the coolant...no white smoke
from
the exhaust....no overheating...no puddles on the ground......so WHERE is
my
coolant going ???????

its either boiling off or leaking out somewhere. Those are the options.


NT

boiling off where ?????? .....

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On Wednesday, 10 June 2015 20:37:48 UTC+1, J1MBO/m wrote:
The car model I recently purchased is prone to blown head
gaskets....however
there is no water in the oil...no oil in the coolant...no white smoke
from
the exhaust....no overheating...no puddles on the ground......so WHERE is
my
coolant going ???????

its either boiling off or leaking out somewhere. Those are the options.


NT

boiling off where ?????? .....


It goes into the cylinder and expelled as steam.
It should be giving you better mpg/more power too.
I used to run an old MK2 cortina on up to equal amounts of petrol and
water, need to blank off the radiator at high proportions of water.
Easy mod to a carburettor engine not tried it with a fuel injected engine.
Similar method used in WW2 to get extra thrust to get heavily loaded
bomber off the deck quicker too.

Bob Minchin wrote:
J1MBO/m wrote:
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On Wednesday, 10 June 2015 20:37:48 UTC+1, J1MBO/m wrote:
The car model I recently purchased is prone to blown head
gaskets....however
there is no water in the oil...no oil in the coolant...no white smoke
from
the exhaust....no overheating...no puddles on the ground......so
WHERE is
my
coolant going ???????

its either boiling off or leaking out somewhere. Those are the options.


NT

boiling off where ?????? .....


It goes into the cylinder and expelled as steam.
It should be giving you better mpg/more power too.
I used to run an old MK2 cortina on up to equal amounts of petrol and
water, need to blank off the radiator at high proportions of water.
Easy mod to a carburettor engine not tried it with a fuel injected engine.
Similar method used in WW2 to get extra thrust to get heavily loaded
bomber off the deck quicker too.

I always thought my old Tiger Cub ran much better on foggy days. It's
also said that spraying water in the air inlet can decoke the combustion
chamber, but I never tried that.

In article ,
Etaoin Shrdlu wrote:
I always thought my old Tiger Cub ran much better on foggy days. It's
also said that spraying water in the air inlet can decoke the combustion
chamber, but I never tried that.

Certainly does. It's an indicator of a blown head gasket - one or more
spark plugs being much cleaner than the rest.

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On 10/06/15 20:37, J1MBO/m wrote:
The car model I recently purchased is prone to blown head gaskets....however
there is no water in the oil...no oil in the coolant...no white smoke from
the exhaust....no overheating...no puddles on the ground......so WHERE is my
coolant going ???????


bad pipe seal or very often water pump main bearing seal

Try pumping it up with a hand pump and checking pressure/hissing/oozing



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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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On 10/06/15 20:37, J1MBO/m wrote:
The car model I recently purchased is prone to blown head
gaskets....however
there is no water in the oil...no oil in the coolant...no white smoke
from
the exhaust....no overheating...no puddles on the ground......so WHERE is
my
coolant going ???????


bad pipe seal or very often water pump main bearing seal

Try pumping it up with a hand pump and checking pressure/hissing/oozing



good idea ....

J1MBO/m wrote:

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bad pipe seal or very often water pump main bearing seal

Try pumping it up with a hand pump and checking pressure/hissing/oozing

good idea ....

There's fluorescent dye you can put in the coolant, then wave about a UV
tube to look for leaks.

Theo

On 10 Jun 2015 23:02:08 +0100 (BST), Theo Markettos wrote:

There's fluorescent dye you can put in the coolant, then wave about a UV
tube to look for leaks.

I thought the dye they used in the now permenantly used
antifreeze/anticorrosion stuff was flourescent? Either way it ought
to be possible to find the coloured residue from it near the leak.
But the colour of the residue may not be the same as the coolant,
pretty sure the pink coolant in my car leaves a green residue.

The biggest problem with modern cars are all the damn covers and
auxillary kit that is shoehorned into the engine bay meaning being
able to see the actual engine might be quite tricky. Might not be a
problem with a Ford V6 though.

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On Wednesday, 10 June 2015 23:02:12 UTC+1, Theo Markettos wrote:
J1MBO/m wrote:

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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bad pipe seal or very often water pump main bearing seal

Try pumping it up with a hand pump and checking pressure/hissing/oozing

good idea ....

There's fluorescent dye you can put in the coolant, then wave about a UV
tube to look for leaks.

Theo

Not much point putting in Fluorosceine without thoroughly washing the engine,and then
checking a baseline level of fluorescence. Many liquids involved in the manufacture and maintenance of engines also fluoresce under UV light.

On 10/06/2015 20:37, J1MBO/m wrote:
The car model I recently purchased is prone to blown head gaskets....however
there is no water in the oil...no oil in the coolant...no white smoke from
the exhaust....no overheating...no puddles on the ground......so WHERE is my
coolant going ???????




Stuck thermostat and when it opens the pressure (and water) is released
through the cooling water tank cap. Any sign of the anti-freeze
colourant on the outside of the tank?

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"alan_m" wrote in message
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On 10/06/2015 20:37, J1MBO/m wrote:
The car model I recently purchased is prone to blown head
gaskets....however
there is no water in the oil...no oil in the coolant...no white smoke
from
the exhaust....no overheating...no puddles on the ground......so WHERE is
my
coolant going ???????




Stuck thermostat and when it opens the pressure (and water) is released
through the cooling water tank cap. Any sign of the anti-freeze colourant
on the outside of the tank?

no ......

On Wed, 10 Jun 2015 20:37:42 +0100, J1MBO/m wrote:

The car model I recently purchased is prone to blown head
gaskets....however there is no water in the oil...no oil in the
coolant...no white smoke from the exhaust....no overheating...no puddles
on the ground......so WHERE is my coolant going ???????

It might be into the oil - but there's no mayo.
It might be into the combustion chambers - you say there's "no white
smoke" (steam), but how fast is it going?
It might be out to the atmosphere - if it's going hot, under pressure,
it'll not puddle, but just steam.

I've had coolant levels drop rapidly from leaks here, there and
everywhere with little evidence in the way of drippage.

What engine is it?

"Adrian" wrote in message
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On Wed, 10 Jun 2015 20:37:42 +0100, J1MBO/m wrote:

The car model I recently purchased is prone to blown head
gaskets....however there is no water in the oil...no oil in the
coolant...no white smoke from the exhaust....no overheating...no puddles
on the ground......so WHERE is my coolant going ???????

It might be into the oil - but there's no mayo.
It might be into the combustion chambers - you say there's "no white
smoke" (steam), but how fast is it going?
It might be out to the atmosphere - if it's going hot, under pressure,
it'll not puddle, but just steam.

I've had coolant levels drop rapidly from leaks here, there and
everywhere with little evidence in the way of drippage.

What engine is it?

3.8 ford v6 .......tried the usual copper based cooling system stuff with no
result ......

On 10/06/2015 21:59, Adrian wrote:

I've had coolant levels drop rapidly from leaks here, there and
everywhere with little evidence in the way of drippage.

Bet the 2CV was hell for that.

On Thu, 11 Jun 2015 00:34:52 +0100, Clive George wrote:

I've had coolant levels drop rapidly from leaks here, there and
everywhere with little evidence in the way of drippage.

Bet the 2CV was hell for that.

I've never yet run out of coolant in one, but they definitely seem to
leak.

"J1MBO/m" wrote in message
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The car model I recently purchased is prone to blown head
gaskets....however there is no water in the oil...no oil in the
coolant...no white smoke from the exhaust....no overheating...no puddles
on the ground......so WHERE is my coolant going ???????

Jim,

I once had a Vauxhall Viva back in 1981 that has this problem, and it
was a split core plug on the back of the engine block, just where it
couldn't easily be seen.

(How is ura doing in my absence?)

"gareth" wrote in message
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"J1MBO/m" wrote in message
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The car model I recently purchased is prone to blown head
gaskets....however there is no water in the oil...no oil in the
coolant...no white smoke from the exhaust....no overheating...no puddles
on the ground......so WHERE is my coolant going ???????

Jim,

I once had a Vauxhall Viva back in 1981 that has this problem, and it
was a split core plug on the back of the engine block, just where it
couldn't easily be seen.

I had one go on a 3l ford V6 there covered by the bellhousing .....

(How is ura doing in my absence?)


I got brian big time UGLE are involved ...

"J1MBO/m" wrote in message
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"gareth" wrote in message
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"J1MBO/m" wrote in message
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The car model I recently purchased is prone to blown head
gaskets....however there is no water in the oil...no oil in the
coolant...no white smoke from the exhaust....no overheating...no puddles
on the ground......so WHERE is my coolant going ???????
I once had a Vauxhall Viva back in 1981 that has this problem, and it
was a split core plug on the back of the engine block, just where it
couldn't easily be seen.
I had one go on a 3l ford V6 there covered by the bellhousing .....

(How is ura doing in my absence?)

I got brian big time UGLE are involved ...

Had to google for that one; has the supercilious mason sneered about
his imagined superiority once too often?

(How is ura doing in my absence?)

I got brian big time UGLE are involved ...

Had to google for that one; has the supercilious mason sneered about
his imagined superiority once too often?



No..he accused me of applying for and being refused membership of the
masons....you should read it all most amusing...he is now trying a new
spin....

"Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote in message
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(How is ura doing in my absence?)
I got brian big time UGLE are involved ...
Had to google for that one; has the supercilious mason sneered about
his imagined superiority once too often?
No..he accused me of applying for and being refused membership of the
masons....you should read it all most amusing...he is now trying a new
spin....

D-Day, 6th June, Decision Day, was an auspicious occasion to go QRT.

When I took up with amateur radio 50 years ago, it was a gathering of
engineering types, but now it has degenerated to become a cesspit
of the ignorant and gratuitously abusive lower classes and is no longer
a respectable pursuit for respectable people.

J1MBO/m wrote:
The car model I recently purchased is prone to blown head gaskets....however
there is no water in the oil...no oil in the coolant...no white smoke from
the exhaust....no overheating...no puddles on the ground......so WHERE is my
coolant going ???????


Ask in uk.rec.cars.maintenance . Still active, and great car advice.

But for the quantity likely to be involved, I don't think you'd see
white smoke.

"Etaoin Shrdlu" wrote in message
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J1MBO/m wrote:
The car model I recently purchased is prone to blown head
gaskets....however
there is no water in the oil...no oil in the coolant...no white smoke
from
the exhaust....no overheating...no puddles on the ground......so WHERE is
my
coolant going ???????


Ask in uk.rec.cars.maintenance . Still active, and great car advice.

But for the quantity likely to be involved, I don't think you'd see white
smoke.


there is water coming out the twin exhausts but I think that is just
condensation as it goes away when the car heats up .....I see that on my
other two cars as well but they have smaller engins ...

"Etaoin Shrdlu" wrote in message
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J1MBO/m wrote:
The car model I recently purchased is prone to blown head
gaskets....however
there is no water in the oil...no oil in the coolant...no white smoke
from
the exhaust....no overheating...no puddles on the ground......so WHERE is
my
coolant going ???????


Ask in uk.rec.cars.maintenance . Still active, and great car advice.

But for the quantity likely to be involved, I don't think you'd see white
smoke.


ok thanks will do ....

On 10/06/2015 20:37, J1MBO/m wrote:
The car model I recently purchased is prone to blown head gaskets....however
there is no water in the oil...no oil in the coolant...no white smoke from
the exhaust....no overheating...no puddles on the ground......so WHERE is my
coolant going ???????

How much water are you losing?

Could be anything serious to a perished seal on your filler cap.

"Fredxxx" wrote in message
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On 10/06/2015 20:37, J1MBO/m wrote:
The car model I recently purchased is prone to blown head
gaskets....however
there is no water in the oil...no oil in the coolant...no white smoke
from
the exhaust....no overheating...no puddles on the ground......so WHERE is
my
coolant going ???????

How much water are you losing?

Could be anything serious to a perished seal on your filler cap.

it has the correct and unperished 16psi pressure cap on the
radiator.......the system is sucking coolant in from the expansion tank
.......

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J1MBO/m wrote:
The car model I recently purchased is prone to blown head
gaskets....however there is no water in the oil...no oil in the
coolant...no white smoke from the exhaust....no overheating...no
puddles on the ground......so WHERE is my coolant going ???????

Best way is to get some dye added to the coolant. A minor leak can
evaporate without showing. The dye does show that up.

Pressurizing the rad with the engine stopped can be another way to find a
minor leak that doesn't show easily.

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
J1MBO/m wrote:
The car model I recently purchased is prone to blown head
gaskets....however there is no water in the oil...no oil in the
coolant...no white smoke from the exhaust....no overheating...no
puddles on the ground......so WHERE is my coolant going ???????

Best way is to get some dye added to the coolant. A minor leak can
evaporate without showing. The dye does show that up.

Pressurizing the rad with the engine stopped can be another way to find a
minor leak that doesn't show easily.

the dye sounds like a good idea I will have a look for that ......

On Thu, 11 Jun 2015 07:27:34 +0100, "J1MBO/m"
wrote:


"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
J1MBO/m wrote:
The car model I recently purchased is prone to blown head
gaskets....however there is no water in the oil...no oil in the
coolant...no white smoke from the exhaust....no overheating...no
puddles on the ground......so WHERE is my coolant going ???????

Best way is to get some dye added to the coolant. A minor leak can
evaporate without showing. The dye does show that up.

Pressurizing the rad with the engine stopped can be another way to find a
minor leak that doesn't show easily.

the dye sounds like a good idea I will have a look for that ......


Late to the fray; I thought that was why antifreeze was fluorescent
under ultra violet?

And pressurising the system cold also allows one to see the pressure
dropping and hearing an internal hiss.

If its coolant into the head there need not be mayo in the oil,
similarly if its coolant getting past a cylinder liner gasket.

Coolant lost to combustion chamber can be successfully sealed with
one of the water glass based sealants.

AJH

Steam?
Brian

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"J1MBO/m" wrote in message
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The car model I recently purchased is prone to blown head
gaskets....however there is no water in the oil...no oil in the
coolant...no white smoke from the exhaust....no overheating...no puddles
on the ground......so WHERE is my coolant going ???????

"J1MBO/m" wrote in message
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The car model I recently purchased is prone to blown head
gaskets....however there is no water in the oil...no oil in the
coolant...no white smoke from the exhaust....no overheating...no puddles
on the ground......so WHERE is my coolant going ???????



Once up to normal temperature, just shut it off, lift the bonnet and
look/listen. Temperature and pressure in the cooling system increases
in the 3 or 4 minutes after shutdown as the heat soaks out of the block
into the coolant. This may be enough to force the leak and the lack of
engine noise and pulley movement may enable you to hear boiling off of
minor leaks or see small wisps of steam.


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On 10/06/2015 20:37, J1MBO/m wrote:
The car model I recently purchased is prone to blown head gaskets....however
there is no water in the oil...no oil in the coolant...no white smoke from
the exhaust....no overheating...no puddles on the ground......so WHERE is my
coolant going ???????


Why do you care? If the head gasket has failed the pressure of exhaust
gases entering the coolant is enormous and bound to force the water out
via the normal pressure release valve - radiator cap.

My car overheated the other day. What puzzled me was why the coolant
level was normal. Turned out the plastic impeller of the water pump had
disintegrated.


--
Michael Chare

well here is a video of the engine .....Found out today that if I don't top
up the expansion tank to the cold fill level which is a couple of inches
above the level you see in the video there would appear to be no problem...I
must have been overfilling the tank and it blows off and settles at the
level you see...no idea why ????? ...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BtK20z_3-s

On Thursday, 11 June 2015 19:28:12 UTC+1, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
well here is a video of the engine .....Found out today that if I don't top
up the expansion tank to the cold fill level which is a couple of inches
above the level you see in the video there would appear to be no problem...I
must have been overfilling the tank and it blows off and settles at the
level you see...no idea why ????? ...

Expansion tanks are completely pointless imho. If you drive the car across a desert it might prove useful, but in Britain, no.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BtK20z_3-s


NT