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Following a dispute with a local tyre supplier they provided and fitted two new tyres to the car.
I had to go through head office to get the dispute resolved so I imagine the local branch manager got a bollicking and was miffed at having to supply and fit new tyres. It now appear he has glued on the dust caps on the new tubed tyres. I don't know what he used but there is no shifting the caps either by hand or with the aid of two pair of pliers. (one to hold the stem, one to twist the cap). If he used thread lock is there any solution I can apply to loosen the caps ? Any other suggestions to shift them ? It would require a round trip of 60 miles to bring the car back and I'd preder a simpler solution. |
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fred wrote:
It now appear he has glued on the dust caps on the new tubed tyres. Any other suggestions to shift them ? Slice them with a Stanley knife along the stem? And make sure head office gives him another bollocking. |
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On Wed, 27 May 2015 00:41:39 -0700, fred wrote:
It now appear he has glued on the dust caps I doubt it. That'd be ridiculously petty. on the new tubed tyres. Tubed? Really? I'd be very surprised. Or are they VERY old wheels which can't be used tubeless? I don't know what he used but there is no shifting the caps either by hand or with the aid of two pair of pliers. (one to hold the stem, one to twist the cap). Rubber-stem valves? I wouldn't want to be using a pair of pliers on them, tbh. Any other suggestions to shift them ? If they REALLY, REALLY can't be shifted, then take it to a local tyre place, and ask them to fit new tubes. |
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On Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 8:51:07 AM UTC+1, Adrian wrote:
On Wed, 27 May 2015 00:41:39 -0700, fred wrote: It now appear he has glued on the dust caps I doubt it. That'd be ridiculously petty. on the new tubed tyres. Tubed? Really? I'd be very surprised. Or are they VERY old wheels which can't be used tubeless? 2012 BMW 1 series. Yes tubed. Car came as new with a toy 12v compressor and aerosol repair kit I don't know what he used but there is no shifting the caps either by hand or with the aid of two pair of pliers. (one to hold the stem, one to twist the cap). Rubber-stem valves? I wouldn't want to be using a pair of pliers on them, tbh. Any other suggestions to shift them ? If they REALLY, REALLY can't be shifted, then take it to a local tyre place, and ask them to fit new tubes. WTF. Why do you think I requested assistance here |
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On 27/05/2015 08:50, Adrian wrote:
On Wed, 27 May 2015 00:41:39 -0700, fred wrote: It now appear he has glued on the dust caps I doubt it. That'd be ridiculously petty. on the new tubed tyres. Tubed? Really? I'd be very surprised. Or are they VERY old wheels which can't be used tubeless? If tubeless, the valve stems can easily and cheaply be replaced. |
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On 27/05/2015 08:41, fred wrote:
Following a dispute with a local tyre supplier they provided and fitted two new tyres to the car. I had to go through head office to get the dispute resolved so I imagine the local branch manager got a bollicking and was miffed at having to supply and fit new tyres. It now appear he has glued on the dust caps on the new tubed tyres. I don't know what he used but there is no shifting the caps either by hand or with the aid of two pair of pliers. (one to hold the stem, one to twist the cap)... Are they aluminium caps? If so, this is a common problem and nothing to do with their being glued on: http://yourcarsite.co.uk/remove-stuck-tyre-valve-caps/ If that doesn't work, you will need new tubes and plastic dust caps. -- Colin Bignell |
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fred wrote:
Adrian wrote: Tubed? Really? I'd be very surprised. 2012 BMW 1 series. Yes tubed. Surely tubeless! Car came as new with a toy 12v compressor and aerosol repair kit My previous car did, the compressor has handy several times with slow leaks, the repair kit was utterly pointless the one time I would have put on a spare. Current car at least has a space saver. |
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On 27/05/2015 09:05, fred wrote:
WTF. Why do you think I requested assistance here I think that the suggestion of cutting the caps off with a stanley knife will work. Or are the caps metal? |
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On Wed, 27 May 2015 01:05:23 -0700, fred wrote:
on the new tubed tyres. Tubed? Really? I'd be very surprised. Or are they VERY old wheels which can't be used tubeless? 2012 BMW 1 series. Yes tubed. Car came as new with a toy 12v compressor and aerosol repair kit Are you sure you mean tubed, not runflat? The tyres won't be designed for tubes, the rims won't be designed for tubes. I would have doubted you could actually GET tubes in modern tyre sizes, but... If they REALLY, REALLY can't be shifted, then take it to a local tyre place, and ask them to fit new tubes. WTF. Why do you think I requested assistance here Sorry, I thought you actually wanted suggestions and help. If they were tubeless (which on anything from the last fifty years, let alone three, they certainly should be), then I'd suggest new valves. If they really have been (super?)glued on, then the threads are going to be a ******* to clean up, and you've quite probably ****ed the valve stems by ****ing around with a pair of pliers. I wouldn't be trusting 'em. Let's assume they are indeed tubeless, and you're confused about runflats. You didn't answer the question I asked about if they're the normal rubber stems? On something like that, it wouldn't surprise me if they were metal valves, in which case it's probably electrolytic corrosion. Where are the tyre pressure sensors? In the valve, or inside the rim? If they're in the valve, they've probably not been replaced. |
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In message , fred
writes I don't know what he used but there is no shifting the caps either by hand or with the aid of two pair of pliers. (one to hold the stem, one to twist the cap). Rubber-stem valves? I wouldn't want to be using a pair of pliers on them, tbh. Any other suggestions to shift them ? If they REALLY, REALLY can't be shifted, then take it to a local tyre place, and ask them to fit new tubes. WTF. Why do you think I requested assistance here Heat? Dust caps lie about the floor of any tyre fitting shop so you don't have to purchase replacements. Damp cloth wrapped around valve stem and hot air gun/paint stripper/wifes hair dryer on valve cap. Hot plastic stretches so your pliers should finish the job. IME Locktite products soften with heat. -- Tim Lamb |
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In article ,
fred wrote: On Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 8:51:07 AM UTC+1, Adrian wrote: On Wed, 27 May 2015 00:41:39 -0700, fred wrote: It now appear he has glued on the dust caps I doubt it. That'd be ridiculously petty. on the new tubed tyres. Tubed? Really? I'd be very surprised. Or are they VERY old wheels which can't be used tubeless? 2012 BMW 1 series. Yes tubed. Car came as new with a toy 12v compressor and aerosol repair kit I don't know what he used but there is no shifting the caps either by hand or with the aid of two pair of pliers. (one to hold the stem, one to twist the cap). Rubber-stem valves? I wouldn't want to be using a pair of pliers on them, tbh. Any other suggestions to shift them ? If they REALLY, REALLY can't be shifted, then take it to a local tyre place, and ask them to fit new tubes. WTF. Why do you think I requested assistance here If your normal reaction to well-intended suggestions is "WTF..." I think I can see why you were in dispute in the first place. (yeh yeh yeh - don't tell me ... "Who the **** asked _your_ opinion?") J. |
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Tim Lamb wrote:
IME Locktite products soften with heat. But I don't think I'd trust valves that had got any where near the 450° recommended to loosen it, from what I remember seeing a faulty one, there's only a knurled surface holding the brass thread inside the rubber stem. |
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On 27/05/15 09:14, Adrian wrote:
If they really have been (super?)glued on, then the threads are going to be a ******* to clean up, Not so Acetone is the one reasonably common solvent for superglue. But a condom or 10, and fill it up with acetone - glass fibre suppliers have this - and stick it over the while valve and elastic band it in place. Overnight soaking will absolutely remove every last trace of superglue. But its fearsomely volatile so needs to be inside a sealed container while it does it. -- New Socialism consists essentially in being seen to have your heart in the right place whilst your head is in the clouds and your hand is in someone else's pocket. |
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On Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 9:12:31 AM UTC+1, Nightjar wrote:
On 27/05/2015 08:41, fred wrote: Following a dispute with a local tyre supplier they provided and fitted two new tyres to the car. I had to go through head office to get the dispute resolved so I imagine the local branch manager got a bollicking and was miffed at having to supply and fit new tyres. It now appear he has glued on the dust caps on the new tubed tyres. I don't know what he used but there is no shifting the caps either by hand or with the aid of two pair of pliers. (one to hold the stem, one to twist the cap)... Are they aluminium caps? If so, this is a common problem and nothing to do with their being glued on: http://yourcarsite.co.uk/remove-stuck-tyre-valve-caps/ If that doesn't work, you will need new tubes and plastic dust caps. -- Colin Bignell Many thanks Now that's a useful helpful link. |
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On Wed, 27 May 2015 02:01:46 -0700, fred wrote:
Are they aluminium caps? If so, this is a common problem and nothing to do with their being glued on: http://yourcarsite.co.uk/remove-stuck-tyre-valve-caps/ If that doesn't work, you will need new tubes and plastic dust caps. Many thanks Now that's a useful helpful link. So ARE they metal caps and/or valves? If so, then how long since they were last removed? |
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On Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 9:14:06 AM UTC+1, Adrian wrote:
snip If they REALLY, REALLY can't be shifted, then take it to a local tyre place, and ask them to fit new tubes. WTF. Why do you think I requested assistance here Sorry, I thought you actually wanted suggestions and help. Yes, but I resented the implication that I didn't know whether or not they were REALLY, REALLY stuck. |
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In article , fred
wrote: Following a dispute with a local tyre supplier they provided and fitted two new tyres to the car. I had to go through head office to get the dispute resolved so I imagine the local branch manager got a bollicking and was miffed at having to supply and fit new tyres. It now appear he has glued on the dust caps on the new tubed tyres. I don't know what he used but there is no shifting the caps either by hand or with the aid of two pair of pliers. (one to hold the stem, one to twist the cap). If he used thread lock is there any solution I can apply to loosen the caps ? Any other suggestions to shift them ? It would require a round trip of 60 miles to bring the car back and I'd preder a simpler solution. I bought a set of caps with a design on them. However since they were metal they corroded onto the metal thread of the valve. I had to use a hacksaw - very carefully - to remove them -- From KT24 in Surrey Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18 |
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On Wed, 27 May 2015 02:10:41 -0700, fred wrote:
If they REALLY, REALLY can't be shifted, then take it to a local tyre place, and ask them to fit new tubes. WTF. Why do you think I requested assistance here Sorry, I thought you actually wanted suggestions and help. Yes, but I resented the implication that I didn't know whether or not they were REALLY, REALLY stuck. shrug I've never met you. I don't know you from Adam. For all I know, you're a seven-stone weakling with arthritic fingers. |
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On Wed, 27 May 2015 08:14:02 +0000 (UTC), Adrian wrote:
2012 BMW 1 series. Yes tubed. Car came as new with a toy 12v compressor and aerosol repair kit Are you sure you mean tubed, not runflat? The tyres won't be designed for tubes, the rims won't be designed for tubes. I would have doubted you could actually GET tubes in modern tyre sizes, but... Quite agree, most modern tyres would eat a tube in prety short order, they are horribly rough inside. Getting tubes at all might be interesting, I doubt yer average qwikfit carries them, cars are tubeless and have been for decades... -- Cheers Dave. |
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On Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 10:12:32 AM UTC+1, Adrian wrote:
On Wed, 27 May 2015 02:10:41 -0700, fred wrote: If they REALLY, REALLY can't be shifted, then take it to a local tyre place, and ask them to fit new tubes. WTF. Why do you think I requested assistance here Sorry, I thought you actually wanted suggestions and help. Yes, but I resented the implication that I didn't know whether or not they were REALLY, REALLY stuck. shrug I've never met you. I don't know you from Adam. For all I know, you're a seven-stone weakling with arthritic fingers. That says it all about you. |
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On Wed, 27 May 2015 03:23:00 -0700, fred wrote:
If they REALLY, REALLY can't be shifted, then take it to a local tyre place, and ask them to fit new tubes. WTF. Why do you think I requested assistance here Sorry, I thought you actually wanted suggestions and help. Yes, but I resented the implication that I didn't know whether or not they were REALLY, REALLY stuck. shrug I've never met you. I don't know you from Adam. For all I know, you're a seven-stone weakling with arthritic fingers. That says it all about you. The statement and reaction certainly says it all about one of us... You might like to look at how many people have taken exception to my post and how many have taken exception to yours, and consider which of us that is. |
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charles wrote:
In article , fred wrote: Following a dispute with a local tyre supplier they provided and fitted two new tyres to the car. I had to go through head office to get the dispute resolved so I imagine the local branch manager got a bollicking and was miffed at having to supply and fit new tyres. It now appear he has glued on the dust caps on the new tubed tyres. I don't know what he used but there is no shifting the caps either by hand or with the aid of two pair of pliers. (one to hold the stem, one to twist the cap). If he used thread lock is there any solution I can apply to loosen the caps ? Any other suggestions to shift them ? It would require a round trip of 60 miles to bring the car back and I'd preder a simpler solution. I bought a set of caps with a design on them. However since they were metal they corroded onto the metal thread of the valve. I had to use a hacksaw - very carefully - to remove them A cutting disk on a Dremel (or similar) would probably be easier. Just cut a vertical slit and insert and twist a small screwdriver tip to expand the cap. Tim |
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Adrian wrote:
The statement and reaction certainly says it all about one of us... Come on chaps, it's only USENET, nobody dies ... |
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On 27/05/2015 13:40, Andy Burns wrote:
Adrian wrote: The statement and reaction certainly says it all about one of us... Come on chaps, it's only USENET, nobody dies ... Or as xkcd put it https://xkcd.com/386/ :) |
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On Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 11:46:53 AM UTC+1, Adrian wrote:
On Wed, 27 May 2015 03:23:00 -0700, fred wrote: If they REALLY, REALLY can't be shifted, then take it to a local tyre place, and ask them to fit new tubes. WTF. Why do you think I requested assistance here Sorry, I thought you actually wanted suggestions and help. Yes, but I resented the implication that I didn't know whether or not they were REALLY, REALLY stuck. shrug I've never met you. I don't know you from Adam. For all I know, you're a seven-stone weakling with arthritic fingers. That says it all about you. The statement and reaction certainly says it all about one of us... You might like to look at how many people have taken exception to my post and how many have taken exception to yours, and consider which of us that is. Yawn Yawn. Aren't you just wonderful. Pity about your communication skills or lack of them, |
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shrug I do apologise for trying to help. Enjoy the search for new inner
tubes for your 3yo BMW. Has google come up with many sources yet? Personally, I'm starting to see the tyre fitter's point. |
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On Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 2:45:44 PM UTC+1, Adrian wrote:
shrug I do apologise for trying to help. Enjoy the search for new inner tubes for your 3yo BMW. Has google come up with many sources yet? Personally, I'm starting to see the tyre fitter's point. You didn't help. You just threw out groundless accusations about my ability to know whether or not the caps were un-removeable then futrher compounded your insults by implying I had probably damaged the stems by having at them with two pairs of pliers. All this and you follow up by stating you don't know me but that didn't stop you making un-warranted assumptions about my physical abilities and tool working skills. So, no , you didn't help. Unlike others in this thread who had constructive suggestions to make. Incidentally its not my 3 year old BMW. Another unwarranted assumption on your part. In future you might be better advised to engage brain before putting finger to keyboard. I'm bored now. Jousting with an e.s.n. is no real sport so feel free to fire off more of your inanities, the field is yours. Not running up the white flag but retiring in sympathy. Feel free to have the last word. It's obviously important to you. Sad, really sad. |
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On Wed, 27 May 2015 01:05:23 -0700 (PDT), fred
wrote: On Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 8:51:07 AM UTC+1, Adrian wrote: On Wed, 27 May 2015 00:41:39 -0700, fred wrote: It now appear he has glued on the dust caps I doubt it. That'd be ridiculously petty. on the new tubed tyres. Tubed? Really? I'd be very surprised. Or are they VERY old wheels which can't be used tubeless? 2012 BMW 1 series. Yes tubed. Car came as new with a toy 12v compressor and aerosol repair kit They are not tubed. No manufacturer makes tyres suitable for use with tubes in the sizes used on that vehicle. Do you keep parrots? |
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On 27/05/2015 08:41, fred wrote:
Following a dispute with a local tyre supplier they provided and fitted two new tyres to the car. I had to go through head office to get the dispute resolved so I imagine the local branch manager got a bollicking and was miffed at having to supply and fit new tyres. It now appear he has glued on the dust caps on the new tubed tyres. I don't know what he used but there is no shifting the caps either by hand or with the aid of two pair of pliers. (one to hold the stem, one to twist the cap). If he used thread lock is there any solution I can apply to loosen the caps ? Any other suggestions to shift them ? It would require a round trip of 60 miles to bring the car back and I'd preder a simpler solution. So were they tubed or not???? --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com |
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fred wrote:
On Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 2:45:44 PM UTC+1, Adrian wrote: shrug I do apologise for trying to help. Enjoy the search for new inner tubes for your 3yo BMW. Has google come up with many sources yet? Personally, I'm starting to see the tyre fitter's point. You didn't help. You just threw out groundless accusations about my ability to know whether or not the caps were un-removeable then futrher compounded your insults by implying I had probably damaged the stems by having at them with two pairs of pliers. All this and you follow up by stating you don't know me but that didn't stop you making un-warranted assumptions about my physical abilities and tool working skills. Bugger me. I'm only idly reading this and now I want to come round and superglue something solid just to annoy you. You need help, mate. And not with the valve caps. -- Scott Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket? |
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On Wed, 27 May 2015 16:24:51 +0100, critcher wrote:
So were they tubed or not???? It's a BMW special parrot edition, the only one ever produced, with special wheel rims and tyres, with tubes, for one customer with very special needs. BMW customers elsewhere on the planet, all of them, had their cars fitted with tubeless tyres. |
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On 27/05/2015 09:05, fred wrote:
On Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 8:51:07 AM UTC+1, Adrian wrote: On Wed, 27 May 2015 00:41:39 -0700, fred wrote: It now appear he has glued on the dust caps I doubt it. That'd be ridiculously petty. on the new tubed tyres. Tubed? Really? I'd be very surprised. Or are they VERY old wheels which can't be used tubeless? 2012 BMW 1 series. Yes tubed. Car came as new with a toy 12v compressor and aerosol repair kit That isn't the correct kit for a tubed tyre. |
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"charles" wrote in message ... In article , fred wrote: Following a dispute with a local tyre supplier they provided and fitted two new tyres to the car. I had to go through head office to get the dispute resolved so I imagine the local branch manager got a bollicking and was miffed at having to supply and fit new tyres. It now appear he has glued on the dust caps on the new tubed tyres. I don't know what he used but there is no shifting the caps either by hand or with the aid of two pair of pliers. (one to hold the stem, one to twist the cap). If he used thread lock is there any solution I can apply to loosen the caps ? Any other suggestions to shift them ? It would require a round trip of 60 miles to bring the car back and I'd preder a simpler solution. I bought a set of caps with a design on them. However since they were metal they corroded onto the metal thread of the valve. I had to use a hacksaw - very carefully - to remove them Oh well better not fit the two sets of four I got for £1 airmail from chinky land ...... |
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/Oh well better not fit the two sets of four I got for £1 airmail from chinky land ...... /q Coppaslip. Might quintuple the budget though.... Jim K |
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"JimK" wrote in message ... /Oh well better not fit the two sets of four I got for £1 airmail from chinky land ...... /q Coppaslip. Might quintuple the budget though.... Jim K and rot the rubber ? .... |
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/and rot the rubber ? ..../q
You have rubber between two potentially corroding metal surfaces? Jim K |
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"JimK" wrote in message ... /and rot the rubber ? ..../q You have rubber between two potentially corroding metal surfaces? Jim K naw as it migrates on to the valve stem .... |
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I bought a set of caps with a design on them. However since they were metal they corroded onto the metal thread of the valve. I had to use a hacksaw - very carefully - to remove them check the fourth review down...just wasted a pound ....... http://www.amazon.co.uk/Vktech-Conve...owViewpoints=1 |
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On 27/05/2015 20:13, dennis@home wrote:
On 27/05/2015 09:05, fred wrote: On Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 8:51:07 AM UTC+1, Adrian wrote: On Wed, 27 May 2015 00:41:39 -0700, fred wrote: It now appear he has glued on the dust caps I doubt it. That'd be ridiculously petty. on the new tubed tyres. Tubed? Really? I'd be very surprised. Or are they VERY old wheels which can't be used tubeless? 2012 BMW 1 series. Yes tubed. Car came as new with a toy 12v compressor and aerosol repair kit That isn't the correct kit for a tubed tyre. I assume that is the root cause of the OP - the OP (or previous car owner) has had tubes fitted (somehow) since they (like many) dislike the "no spare needed" mentality of modern manufactures. When turning up at a tyre depot in this configuration the OP has had a disagreement with the management. -- CB |
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