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Following a dispute with a local tyre supplier they provided and fitted two new tyres to the car.

I had to go through head office to get the dispute resolved so I imagine the local branch manager got a bollicking and was miffed at having to supply and fit new tyres.

It now appear he has glued on the dust caps on the new tubed tyres. I don't know what he used but there is no shifting the caps either by hand or with the aid of two pair of pliers. (one to hold the stem, one to twist the cap).

If he used thread lock is there any solution I can apply to loosen the caps ?

Any other suggestions to shift them ?

It would require a round trip of 60 miles to bring the car back and I'd preder a simpler solution.
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It now appear he has glued on the dust caps on the new tubed tyres.
Any other suggestions to shift them ?


Slice them with a Stanley knife along the stem? And make sure head
office gives him another bollocking.

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On Wed, 27 May 2015 00:41:39 -0700, fred wrote:

It now appear he has glued on the dust caps


I doubt it. That'd be ridiculously petty.

on the new tubed tyres.


Tubed? Really? I'd be very surprised. Or are they VERY old wheels which
can't be used tubeless?

I don't know what he used but there is no shifting the caps either by
hand or with the aid of two pair of pliers. (one to hold the stem, one
to twist the cap).


Rubber-stem valves?
I wouldn't want to be using a pair of pliers on them, tbh.

Any other suggestions to shift them ?


If they REALLY, REALLY can't be shifted, then take it to a local tyre
place, and ask them to fit new tubes.
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On Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 8:51:07 AM UTC+1, Adrian wrote:
On Wed, 27 May 2015 00:41:39 -0700, fred wrote:

It now appear he has glued on the dust caps


I doubt it. That'd be ridiculously petty.

on the new tubed tyres.


Tubed? Really? I'd be very surprised. Or are they VERY old wheels which
can't be used tubeless?


2012 BMW 1 series. Yes tubed. Car came as new with a toy 12v compressor and aerosol repair kit


I don't know what he used but there is no shifting the caps either by
hand or with the aid of two pair of pliers. (one to hold the stem, one
to twist the cap).


Rubber-stem valves?
I wouldn't want to be using a pair of pliers on them, tbh.

Any other suggestions to shift them ?


If they REALLY, REALLY can't be shifted, then take it to a local tyre
place, and ask them to fit new tubes.



WTF. Why do you think I requested assistance here
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On 27/05/2015 08:50, Adrian wrote:
On Wed, 27 May 2015 00:41:39 -0700, fred wrote:

It now appear he has glued on the dust caps


I doubt it. That'd be ridiculously petty.

on the new tubed tyres.


Tubed? Really? I'd be very surprised. Or are they VERY old wheels which
can't be used tubeless?


If tubeless, the valve stems can easily and cheaply be replaced.




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Following a dispute with a local tyre supplier they provided and fitted two new tyres to the car.

I had to go through head office to get the dispute resolved so I imagine the local branch manager got a bollicking and was miffed at having to supply and fit new tyres.

It now appear he has glued on the dust caps on the new tubed tyres. I don't know what he used but there is no shifting the caps either by hand or with the aid of two pair of pliers. (one to hold the stem, one to twist the cap)...


Are they aluminium caps? If so, this is a common problem and nothing to
do with their being glued on:

http://yourcarsite.co.uk/remove-stuck-tyre-valve-caps/

If that doesn't work, you will need new tubes and plastic dust caps.

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fred wrote:

Adrian wrote:

Tubed? Really? I'd be very surprised.


2012 BMW 1 series. Yes tubed.


Surely tubeless!

Car came as new with a toy 12v compressor and aerosol repair kit


My previous car did, the compressor has handy several times with slow
leaks, the repair kit was utterly pointless the one time I would have
put on a spare. Current car at least has a space saver.

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WTF. Why do you think I requested assistance here


I think that the suggestion of cutting the caps off with a stanley knife
will work. Or are the caps metal?
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on the new tubed tyres.


Tubed? Really? I'd be very surprised. Or are they VERY old wheels which
can't be used tubeless?


2012 BMW 1 series. Yes tubed. Car came as new with a toy 12v compressor
and aerosol repair kit


Are you sure you mean tubed, not runflat? The tyres won't be designed for
tubes, the rims won't be designed for tubes. I would have doubted you
could actually GET tubes in modern tyre sizes, but...

If they REALLY, REALLY can't be shifted, then take it to a local tyre
place, and ask them to fit new tubes.


WTF. Why do you think I requested assistance here


Sorry, I thought you actually wanted suggestions and help.

If they were tubeless (which on anything from the last fifty years, let
alone three, they certainly should be), then I'd suggest new valves. If
they really have been (super?)glued on, then the threads are going to be
a ******* to clean up, and you've quite probably ****ed the valve stems
by ****ing around with a pair of pliers. I wouldn't be trusting 'em.

Let's assume they are indeed tubeless, and you're confused about runflats.
You didn't answer the question I asked about if they're the normal rubber
stems? On something like that, it wouldn't surprise me if they were metal
valves, in which case it's probably electrolytic corrosion. Where are the
tyre pressure sensors? In the valve, or inside the rim? If they're in the
valve, they've probably not been replaced.
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I don't know what he used but there is no shifting the caps either by
hand or with the aid of two pair of pliers. (one to hold the stem, one
to twist the cap).


Rubber-stem valves?
I wouldn't want to be using a pair of pliers on them, tbh.

Any other suggestions to shift them ?


If they REALLY, REALLY can't be shifted, then take it to a local tyre
place, and ask them to fit new tubes.



WTF. Why do you think I requested assistance here


Heat? Dust caps lie about the floor of any tyre fitting shop so you
don't have to purchase replacements.

Damp cloth wrapped around valve stem and hot air gun/paint
stripper/wifes hair dryer on valve cap.

Hot plastic stretches so your pliers should finish the job.

IME Locktite products soften with heat.

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On Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 8:51:07 AM UTC+1, Adrian wrote:
On Wed, 27 May 2015 00:41:39 -0700, fred wrote:

It now appear he has glued on the dust caps


I doubt it. That'd be ridiculously petty.

on the new tubed tyres.


Tubed? Really? I'd be very surprised. Or are they VERY old wheels which
can't be used tubeless?


2012 BMW 1 series. Yes tubed. Car came as new with a toy 12v compressor and
aerosol repair kit


I don't know what he used but there is no shifting the caps either by
hand or with the aid of two pair of pliers. (one to hold the stem, one
to twist the cap).


Rubber-stem valves?
I wouldn't want to be using a pair of pliers on them, tbh.

Any other suggestions to shift them ?


If they REALLY, REALLY can't be shifted, then take it to a local tyre
place, and ask them to fit new tubes.



WTF. Why do you think I requested assistance here


If your normal reaction to well-intended suggestions is "WTF..." I think
I can see why you were in dispute in the first place. (yeh yeh yeh -
don't tell me ... "Who the **** asked _your_ opinion?")

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IME Locktite products soften with heat.


But I don't think I'd trust valves that had got any where near the 450°
recommended to loosen it, from what I remember seeing a faulty one,
there's only a knurled surface holding the brass thread inside the
rubber stem.


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they really have been (super?)glued on, then the threads are going to be
a ******* to clean up,


Not so Acetone is the one reasonably common solvent for superglue.

But a condom or 10, and fill it up with acetone - glass fibre suppliers
have this - and stick it over the while valve and elastic band it in place.

Overnight soaking will absolutely remove every last trace of superglue.
But its fearsomely volatile so needs to be inside a sealed container
while it does it.






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On 27/05/2015 08:41, fred wrote:
Following a dispute with a local tyre supplier they provided and fitted two new tyres to the car.

I had to go through head office to get the dispute resolved so I imagine the local branch manager got a bollicking and was miffed at having to supply and fit new tyres.

It now appear he has glued on the dust caps on the new tubed tyres. I don't know what he used but there is no shifting the caps either by hand or with the aid of two pair of pliers. (one to hold the stem, one to twist the cap)...


Are they aluminium caps? If so, this is a common problem and nothing to
do with their being glued on:

http://yourcarsite.co.uk/remove-stuck-tyre-valve-caps/

If that doesn't work, you will need new tubes and plastic dust caps.

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Many thanks Now that's a useful helpful link.
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Are they aluminium caps? If so, this is a common problem and nothing to
do with their being glued on:

http://yourcarsite.co.uk/remove-stuck-tyre-valve-caps/

If that doesn't work, you will need new tubes and plastic dust caps.


Many thanks Now that's a useful helpful link.


So ARE they metal caps and/or valves? If so, then how long since they
were last removed?


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If they REALLY, REALLY can't be shifted, then take it to a local tyre
place, and ask them to fit new tubes.


WTF. Why do you think I requested assistance here


Sorry, I thought you actually wanted suggestions and help.


Yes, but I resented the implication that I didn't know whether or not they were REALLY, REALLY stuck.
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wrote:
Following a dispute with a local tyre supplier they provided and fitted
two new tyres to the car.


I had to go through head office to get the dispute resolved so I imagine
the local branch manager got a bollicking and was miffed at having to
supply and fit new tyres.


It now appear he has glued on the dust caps on the new tubed tyres. I
don't know what he used but there is no shifting the caps either by hand
or with the aid of two pair of pliers. (one to hold the stem, one to
twist the cap).


If he used thread lock is there any solution I can apply to loosen the
caps ?


Any other suggestions to shift them ?


It would require a round trip of 60 miles to bring the car back and I'd
preder a simpler solution.


I bought a set of caps with a design on them. However since they were metal
they corroded onto the metal thread of the valve. I had to use a hacksaw -
very carefully - to remove them

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If they REALLY, REALLY can't be shifted, then take it to a local
tyre place, and ask them to fit new tubes.


WTF. Why do you think I requested assistance here


Sorry, I thought you actually wanted suggestions and help.


Yes, but I resented the implication that I didn't know whether or not
they were REALLY, REALLY stuck.


shrug I've never met you. I don't know you from Adam. For all I know,
you're a seven-stone weakling with arthritic fingers.
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2012 BMW 1 series. Yes tubed. Car came as new with a toy 12v

compressor
and aerosol repair kit


Are you sure you mean tubed, not runflat? The tyres won't be designed
for tubes, the rims won't be designed for tubes. I would have doubted
you could actually GET tubes in modern tyre sizes, but...


Quite agree, most modern tyres would eat a tube in prety short order,
they are horribly rough inside. Getting tubes at all might be
interesting, I doubt yer average qwikfit carries them, cars are
tubeless and have been for decades...

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On Wed, 27 May 2015 02:10:41 -0700, fred wrote:

If they REALLY, REALLY can't be shifted, then take it to a local
tyre place, and ask them to fit new tubes.


WTF. Why do you think I requested assistance here


Sorry, I thought you actually wanted suggestions and help.


Yes, but I resented the implication that I didn't know whether or not
they were REALLY, REALLY stuck.


shrug I've never met you. I don't know you from Adam. For all I know,
you're a seven-stone weakling with arthritic fingers.


That says it all about you.


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If they REALLY, REALLY can't be shifted, then take it to a local
tyre place, and ask them to fit new tubes.


WTF. Why do you think I requested assistance here


Sorry, I thought you actually wanted suggestions and help.


Yes, but I resented the implication that I didn't know whether or
not they were REALLY, REALLY stuck.


shrug I've never met you. I don't know you from Adam. For all I know,
you're a seven-stone weakling with arthritic fingers.


That says it all about you.


The statement and reaction certainly says it all about one of us... You
might like to look at how many people have taken exception to my post and
how many have taken exception to yours, and consider which of us that is.
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wrote:
Following a dispute with a local tyre supplier they provided and fitted
two new tyres to the car.


I had to go through head office to get the dispute resolved so I imagine
the local branch manager got a bollicking and was miffed at having to
supply and fit new tyres.


It now appear he has glued on the dust caps on the new tubed tyres. I
don't know what he used but there is no shifting the caps either by hand
or with the aid of two pair of pliers. (one to hold the stem, one to
twist the cap).


If he used thread lock is there any solution I can apply to loosen the
caps ?


Any other suggestions to shift them ?


It would require a round trip of 60 miles to bring the car back and I'd
preder a simpler solution.


I bought a set of caps with a design on them. However since they were metal
they corroded onto the metal thread of the valve. I had to use a hacksaw -
very carefully - to remove them



A cutting disk on a Dremel (or similar) would probably be easier. Just cut
a vertical slit and insert and twist a small screwdriver tip to expand the
cap.

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Adrian wrote:

The statement and reaction certainly says it all about one of us...


Come on chaps, it's only USENET, nobody dies ...


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Adrian wrote:

The statement and reaction certainly says it all about one of us...


Come on chaps, it's only USENET, nobody dies ...



Or as xkcd put it https://xkcd.com/386/
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On Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 11:46:53 AM UTC+1, Adrian wrote:
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If they REALLY, REALLY can't be shifted, then take it to a local
tyre place, and ask them to fit new tubes.


WTF. Why do you think I requested assistance here


Sorry, I thought you actually wanted suggestions and help.


Yes, but I resented the implication that I didn't know whether or
not they were REALLY, REALLY stuck.


shrug I've never met you. I don't know you from Adam. For all I know,
you're a seven-stone weakling with arthritic fingers.


That says it all about you.


The statement and reaction certainly says it all about one of us... You
might like to look at how many people have taken exception to my post and
how many have taken exception to yours, and consider which of us that is.


Yawn Yawn.

Aren't you just wonderful.

Pity about your communication skills or lack of them,


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shrug I do apologise for trying to help. Enjoy the search for new inner
tubes for your 3yo BMW. Has google come up with many sources yet?

Personally, I'm starting to see the tyre fitter's point.
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shrug I do apologise for trying to help. Enjoy the search for new inner
tubes for your 3yo BMW. Has google come up with many sources yet?

Personally, I'm starting to see the tyre fitter's point.


You didn't help. You just threw out groundless accusations about my ability to know whether or not the caps were un-removeable then futrher compounded your insults by implying I had probably damaged the stems by having at them with two pairs of pliers. All this and you follow up by stating you don't know me but that didn't stop you making un-warranted assumptions about my physical abilities and tool working skills.

So, no , you didn't help. Unlike others in this thread who had constructive suggestions to make.

Incidentally its not my 3 year old BMW. Another unwarranted assumption on your part.

In future you might be better advised to engage brain before putting finger to keyboard.

I'm bored now. Jousting with an e.s.n. is no real sport so feel free to fire off more of your inanities, the field is yours. Not running up the white flag but retiring in sympathy. Feel free to have the last word. It's obviously important to you.

Sad, really sad.

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On Wed, 27 May 2015 00:41:39 -0700, fred wrote:

It now appear he has glued on the dust caps


I doubt it. That'd be ridiculously petty.

on the new tubed tyres.


Tubed? Really? I'd be very surprised. Or are they VERY old wheels which
can't be used tubeless?


2012 BMW 1 series. Yes tubed. Car came as new with a toy 12v compressor and aerosol repair kit


They are not tubed. No manufacturer makes tyres suitable for use with
tubes in the sizes used on that vehicle.

Do you keep parrots?

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Following a dispute with a local tyre supplier they provided and fitted two new tyres to the car.

I had to go through head office to get the dispute resolved so I imagine the local branch manager got a bollicking


and was miffed at having to supply and fit new tyres.

It now appear he has glued on the dust caps on the new tubed tyres.


I don't know what he used but there is no shifting the caps either by
hand or with the aid of two pair of pliers.

(one to hold the stem, one to twist the cap).

If he used thread lock is there any solution I can apply to loosen the caps ?

Any other suggestions to shift them ?

It would require a round trip of 60 miles to bring the car back and I'd preder a simpler solution.



So were they tubed or not????

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shrug I do apologise for trying to help. Enjoy the search for new
inner tubes for your 3yo BMW. Has google come up with many sources
yet?

Personally, I'm starting to see the tyre fitter's point.


You didn't help. You just threw out groundless accusations about my
ability to know whether or not the caps were un-removeable then
futrher compounded your insults by implying I had probably damaged
the stems by having at them with two pairs of pliers. All this and
you follow up by stating you don't know me but that didn't stop you
making un-warranted assumptions about my physical abilities and tool
working skills.


Bugger me. I'm only idly reading this and now I want to come round and
superglue something solid just to annoy you.

You need help, mate. And not with the valve caps.

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On Wed, 27 May 2015 16:24:51 +0100, critcher wrote:

So were they tubed or not????


It's a BMW special parrot edition, the only one ever produced, with special
wheel rims and tyres, with tubes, for one customer with very special needs.

BMW customers elsewhere on the planet, all of them, had their cars fitted with
tubeless tyres.
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On Wed, 27 May 2015 00:41:39 -0700, fred wrote:

It now appear he has glued on the dust caps


I doubt it. That'd be ridiculously petty.

on the new tubed tyres.


Tubed? Really? I'd be very surprised. Or are they VERY old wheels which
can't be used tubeless?


2012 BMW 1 series. Yes tubed. Car came as new with a toy 12v compressor and aerosol repair kit


That isn't the correct kit for a tubed tyre.


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Following a dispute with a local tyre supplier they provided and fitted
two new tyres to the car.


I had to go through head office to get the dispute resolved so I imagine
the local branch manager got a bollicking and was miffed at having to
supply and fit new tyres.


It now appear he has glued on the dust caps on the new tubed tyres. I
don't know what he used but there is no shifting the caps either by hand
or with the aid of two pair of pliers. (one to hold the stem, one to
twist the cap).


If he used thread lock is there any solution I can apply to loosen the
caps ?


Any other suggestions to shift them ?


It would require a round trip of 60 miles to bring the car back and I'd
preder a simpler solution.


I bought a set of caps with a design on them. However since they were
metal
they corroded onto the metal thread of the valve. I had to use a
hacksaw -
very carefully - to remove them

Oh well better not fit the two sets of four I got for £1 airmail from chinky
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/Oh well better not fit the two sets of four I got for £1 airmail from chinky
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Coppaslip. Might quintuple the budget though....

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Coppaslip. Might quintuple the budget though....


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/and rot the rubber ? ..../q

You have rubber between two potentially corroding metal surfaces?

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You have rubber between two potentially corroding metal surfaces?

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I bought a set of caps with a design on them. However since they were
metal
they corroded onto the metal thread of the valve. I had to use a
hacksaw -
very carefully - to remove them

check the fourth review down...just wasted a pound .......

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Vktech-Conve...owViewpoints=1


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Default Glued on dust caps

On 27/05/2015 20:13, dennis@home wrote:
On 27/05/2015 09:05, fred wrote:
On Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 8:51:07 AM UTC+1, Adrian wrote:
On Wed, 27 May 2015 00:41:39 -0700, fred wrote:

It now appear he has glued on the dust caps

I doubt it. That'd be ridiculously petty.

on the new tubed tyres.

Tubed? Really? I'd be very surprised. Or are they VERY old wheels which
can't be used tubeless?


2012 BMW 1 series. Yes tubed. Car came as new with a toy 12v
compressor and aerosol repair kit


That isn't the correct kit for a tubed tyre.


I assume that is the root cause of the OP - the OP (or previous car
owner) has had tubes fitted (somehow) since they (like many) dislike the
"no spare needed" mentality of modern manufactures. When turning up at
a tyre depot in this configuration the OP has had a disagreement with
the management.

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