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So, what wrong with the Scots, Welsh and Irish, that you don't want to
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because due to the wet climate the Scots have never done it ........


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because due to the wet climate the Scots have never done it ........


Generally Scottish crofts have solid walls, so all their windows are in
the outer leaf, as there is no other.

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Yes but only in posh houses.

Most windows now are uPVC.
New and replacement.
And doors.




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because due to the wet climate the Scots have never done it ........


Can we say "********" children ?
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So, what wrong with the Scots, Welsh and Irish, that you don't want to
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because due to the wet climate the Scots have never done it ........


Generally Scottish crofts have solid walls, so all their windows are in
the outer leaf, as there is no other.


About 1% of Scots live in crofts, the other 99% live in normal dwellings in
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Generally Scottish crofts have solid walls, so all their windows are in
the outer leaf, as there is no other.

About 1% of Scots live in crofts, the other 99% live in normal dwellings in
towns and cities

Even in crofting areas, many crofters live in 'normal' houses.

A croft is not a house, it's the land.


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Presumably he knows about the Scots already.

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No, only install PVC or aluminium windows.


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not often


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very often on quality houses. Almost never on cheap ones


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No we install glass windows in the outer leaf, mostly sealed unit double
glazing in uPVC or aluminium frames but sometimes in wooden frames
(usually where it is a condition of planning consent)

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So, what wrong with the Scots, Welsh and Irish, that you don't want to
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Colin Bignell

because due to the wet climate the Scots have never done it ........


Generally Scottish crofts have solid walls, so all their windows are in
the outer leaf, as there is no other.


About 1% of Scots live in crofts, the other 99% live in normal dwellings in
towns and cities



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I haven't seen a wooden window in years. We normally use glass.

Is there some window tax or other reasons why you would fit wood to an
opening, or do you live in a poor region?


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I haven't seen a wooden window in years. We normally use glass.

Is there some window tax or other reasons why you would fit wood to an
opening, or do you live in a poor region?


Umm, every single window and door in this house, including the four brand
new ones I've fitted to an outbuilding this year, are wooden. They were
more expensive than tupperware, too.

Going back to the original question - none of the walls are cavity,
though, so I can't comment about which leaf they're fitted to here, but
they are all fitted flushish with the outside rather than the inside, as
is normal, so if they were cavity they would be in the outside leaf.
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very often on quality houses. Almost never on cheap ones


Normally they go in the inner leaf for fire safety reasons


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Normally they go in the inner leaf for fire safety reasons


Do they?! How does that help fire safety?


Flames licking up the outside take longer to ignite the frame, retarding fire spread. Inner leaf windows have been standard for this reason for a very long time. Outer leaf windows tend to be found on very old houses that predate this.


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I haven't seen a house with a window on the inner leaf for a long time.
They generally have wide inner sills and adorn ornaments and the like.

you will be telling me next th in the past at the Scots shouldn't have cut
off the window horns and should have built them in ....... ......


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Most fires are internal, where there's combustible material. You would
have thought a window on an external leaf would be better?

Inner leaf windows have been standard for this
reason for a very long time. Outer leaf windows tend to be found on
very old houses that predate this.

I haven't seen a house with a window on the inner leaf for a long time.
They generally have wide inner sills and adorn ornaments and the like.

Are you sure you're talking of the UK?

He's talking drivel.
Windows are to keep the weather out, as is the outer leaf.
Hence the window has to be linked/continuous with to the outer leaf.

Plastic windows are a fire hazard.
The plastic gives off highly toxic fumes in a fire.


Are all of your window frames wooden or Crittal steel then?

mine a quality NorDan windows fitted behind the vertical dpc of the cavity
closure rebate .....


So they are plastic then, unless you have the aluminium cladding?


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Most fires are internal, where there's combustible material. You would
have thought a window on an external leaf would be better?

Inner leaf windows have been standard for this
reason for a very long time. Outer leaf windows tend to be found on
very old houses that predate this.

I haven't seen a house with a window on the inner leaf for a long
time.
They generally have wide inner sills and adorn ornaments and the like.

Are you sure you're talking of the UK?

He's talking drivel.
Windows are to keep the weather out, as is the outer leaf.
Hence the window has to be linked/continuous with to the outer leaf.

Plastic windows are a fire hazard.
The plastic gives off highly toxic fumes in a fire.


Are all of your window frames wooden or Crittal steel then?

mine a quality NorDan windows fitted behind the vertical dpc of the
cavity
closure rebate .....


So they are plastic then, unless you have the aluminium cladding?

no...timber


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Most fires are internal, where there's combustible material. You would
have thought a window on an external leaf would be better?

Inner leaf windows have been standard for this
reason for a very long time. Outer leaf windows tend to be found on
very old houses that predate this.

I haven't seen a house with a window on the inner leaf for a long
time.
They generally have wide inner sills and adorn ornaments and the like.

Are you sure you're talking of the UK?

He's talking drivel.
Windows are to keep the weather out, as is the outer leaf.
Hence the window has to be linked/continuous with to the outer leaf.

Plastic windows are a fire hazard.
The plastic gives off highly toxic fumes in a fire.


Are all of your window frames wooden or Crittal steel then?

mine a quality NorDan windows fitted behind the vertical dpc of the
cavity
closure rebate .....


So they are plastic then, unless you have the aluminium cladding?

no...timber


Oh, ok.
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Most fires are internal, where there's combustible material. You
would
have thought a window on an external leaf would be better?

Inner leaf windows have been standard for this
reason for a very long time. Outer leaf windows tend to be found on
very old houses that predate this.

I haven't seen a house with a window on the inner leaf for a long
time.
They generally have wide inner sills and adorn ornaments and the
like.

Are you sure you're talking of the UK?

He's talking drivel.
Windows are to keep the weather out, as is the outer leaf.
Hence the window has to be linked/continuous with to the outer leaf.

Plastic windows are a fire hazard.
The plastic gives off highly toxic fumes in a fire.


Are all of your window frames wooden or Crittal steel then?

mine a quality NorDan windows fitted behind the vertical dpc of the
cavity
closure rebate .....


So they are plastic then, unless you have the aluminium cladding?

no...timber


and if you have a concrete boot lintel (with a normal lintel in the outside
leaf) with a dpm over the boot lintel coming out in line with the cavity
closure dpc ...if you fit your window in the outside leaf you may have water
appearing inside the house above the window.....


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He's talking drivel.
Windows are to keep the weather out, as is the outer leaf.
Hence the window has to be linked/continuous with to the outer leaf.

Plastic windows are a fire hazard.
The plastic gives off highly toxic fumes in a fire.


Are all of your window frames wooden or Crittal steel then?

mine a quality NorDan windows fitted behind the vertical dpc of the
cavity
closure rebate .....


So they are plastic then, unless you have the aluminium cladding?

no...timber


and if you have a concrete boot lintel (with a normal lintel in the outside
leaf) with a dpm over the boot lintel coming out in line with the cavity
closure dpc ...if you fit your window in the outside leaf you may have water
appearing inside the house above the window.....


Well I've never heard of a double glazed window leaking from above a
window when fitted to the outer leaf.


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He's talking drivel.
Windows are to keep the weather out, as is the outer leaf.
Hence the window has to be linked/continuous with to the outer leaf.

Plastic windows are a fire hazard.
The plastic gives off highly toxic fumes in a fire.


Are all of your window frames wooden or Crittal steel then?

mine a quality NorDan windows fitted behind the vertical dpc of the
cavity
closure rebate .....


So they are plastic then, unless you have the aluminium cladding?

no...timber


and if you have a concrete boot lintel (with a normal lintel in the
outside
leaf) with a dpm over the boot lintel coming out in line with the cavity
closure dpc ...if you fit your window in the outside leaf you may have
water
appearing inside the house above the window.....


Well I've never heard of a double glazed window leaking from above a
window when fitted to the outer leaf.

seen plenty and asked for plenty to be moved back in line with the cavity
closure when I did letters of comfort .......


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He's talking drivel.
Windows are to keep the weather out, as is the outer leaf.
Hence the window has to be linked/continuous with to the outer leaf.

Plastic windows are a fire hazard.
The plastic gives off highly toxic fumes in a fire.


Are all of your window frames wooden or Crittal steel then?

mine a quality NorDan windows fitted behind the vertical dpc of the
cavity
closure rebate .....


So they are plastic then, unless you have the aluminium cladding?

no...timber


and if you have a concrete boot lintel (with a normal lintel in the
outside
leaf) with a dpm over the boot lintel coming out in line with the cavity
closure dpc ...if you fit your window in the outside leaf you may have
water
appearing inside the house above the window.....


Well I've never heard of a double glazed window leaking from above a
window when fitted to the outer leaf.

seen plenty and asked for plenty to be moved back in line with the cavity
closure when I did letters of comfort .......


Oh, ok.
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"Bod" wrote in message
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Most fires are internal, where there's combustible material. You
would
have thought a window on an external leaf would be better?

Inner leaf windows have been standard for this
reason for a very long time. Outer leaf windows tend to be found on
very old houses that predate this.

I haven't seen a house with a window on the inner leaf for a long
time.
They generally have wide inner sills and adorn ornaments and the
like.

Are you sure you're talking of the UK?

He's talking drivel.
Windows are to keep the weather out, as is the outer leaf.
Hence the window has to be linked/continuous with to the outer leaf.

Plastic windows are a fire hazard.
The plastic gives off highly toxic fumes in a fire.


Are all of your window frames wooden or Crittal steel then?

mine a quality NorDan windows fitted behind the vertical dpc of the
cavity
closure rebate .....


So they are plastic then, unless you have the aluminium cladding?

no...timber


and if you have a concrete boot lintel (with a normal lintel in the outside
leaf) with a dpm over the boot lintel coming out in line with the cavity
closure dpc ...if you fit your window in the outside leaf you may have water
appearing inside the house above the window.....


Not if done properly:

http://www.manthorpe.co.uk/Building/...ay-System.html

I think have only come across cheapskate builders flouting regulations.
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On Sunday, 10 May 2015 14:37:09 UTC+1, Roger Mills wrote:
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Normally they go in the inner leaf for fire safety reasons


Do they?! How does that help fire safety?


Flames licking up the outside take longer to ignite the frame,
retarding fire spread.


Most fires are internal, where there's combustible material. You would
have thought a window on an external leaf would be better?


from where they spread to being external, and set other houses alight. Its not as big an issue these days with a fire service.

Inner leaf windows have been standard for this
reason for a very long time. Outer leaf windows tend to be found on
very old houses that predate this.


I haven't seen a house with a window on the inner leaf for a long time.
They generally have wide inner sills and adorn ornaments and the like.

Are you sure you're talking of the UK?


Most houses have recessed windows. Maybe I'm wrong about how they're fixed though.


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On 11/05/2015 08:57, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
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"Bod" wrote in message
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Most fires are internal, where there's combustible material. You
would
have thought a window on an external leaf would be better?

Inner leaf windows have been standard for this
reason for a very long time. Outer leaf windows tend to be found
on
very old houses that predate this.

I haven't seen a house with a window on the inner leaf for a long
time.
They generally have wide inner sills and adorn ornaments and the
like.

Are you sure you're talking of the UK?

He's talking drivel.
Windows are to keep the weather out, as is the outer leaf.
Hence the window has to be linked/continuous with to the outer leaf.

Plastic windows are a fire hazard.
The plastic gives off highly toxic fumes in a fire.


Are all of your window frames wooden or Crittal steel then?

mine a quality NorDan windows fitted behind the vertical dpc of the
cavity
closure rebate .....


So they are plastic then, unless you have the aluminium cladding?

no...timber


and if you have a concrete boot lintel (with a normal lintel in the
outside
leaf) with a dpm over the boot lintel coming out in line with the cavity
closure dpc ...if you fit your window in the outside leaf you may have
water
appearing inside the house above the window.....


Not if done properly:

http://www.manthorpe.co.uk/Building/...ay-System.html

I think have only come across cheapskate builders flouting regulations.

yes but in older houses as I described you can land youself in trouble
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"Bod" wrote in message
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Most fires are internal, where there's combustible material. You
would
have thought a window on an external leaf would be better?

Inner leaf windows have been standard for this
reason for a very long time. Outer leaf windows tend to be found
on
very old houses that predate this.

I haven't seen a house with a window on the inner leaf for a long
time.
They generally have wide inner sills and adorn ornaments and the
like.

Are you sure you're talking of the UK?

He's talking drivel.
Windows are to keep the weather out, as is the outer leaf.
Hence the window has to be linked/continuous with to the outer
leaf.

Plastic windows are a fire hazard.
The plastic gives off highly toxic fumes in a fire.


Are all of your window frames wooden or Crittal steel then?

mine a quality NorDan windows fitted behind the vertical dpc of the
cavity
closure rebate .....


So they are plastic then, unless you have the aluminium cladding?

no...timber


and if you have a concrete boot lintel (with a normal lintel in the
outside
leaf) with a dpm over the boot lintel coming out in line with the cavity
closure dpc ...if you fit your window in the outside leaf you may have
water
appearing inside the house above the window.....


Not if done properly:

http://www.manthorpe.co.uk/Building/...ay-System.html

I think have only come across cheapskate builders flouting regulations.

yes but in older houses as I described you can land youself in trouble
......


This house built in 1990 does not have a cavity tray above the original
protruding porch and wc which faces SW into the prevailing wind ...just a
lead flashing raggled in ....I thought the ceiling looked damaged when we
moved in in '96 and yes water ****ed in onto the ceiling the first winter we
were here...Used Thompson's silicon seal on the brickwork above the raggle
....lasted about seven years before I had to re-do it....about time I did it
again now ....I blame English facing bricks...in the past scottish houses
were harled to keep out the witter .....


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He's talking drivel.
Windows are to keep the weather out, as is the outer leaf.
Hence the window has to be linked/continuous with to the outer leaf.

Plastic windows are a fire hazard.
The plastic gives off highly toxic fumes in a fire.


Are all of your window frames wooden or Crittal steel then?

mine a quality NorDan windows fitted behind the vertical dpc of the
cavity
closure rebate .....


So they are plastic then, unless you have the aluminium cladding?

no...timber


and if you have a concrete boot lintel (with a normal lintel in the
outside
leaf) with a dpm over the boot lintel coming out in line with the cavity
closure dpc ...if you fit your window in the outside leaf you may have
water
appearing inside the house above the window.....


Well I've never heard of a double glazed window leaking from above a
window when fitted to the outer leaf.


There is a cavity tray above windows to divert any water outside through
weepholes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavity_wall


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