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Do you english still install timber windows in the outside leaf ? .....
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On 09/05/2015 15:57, Jim GM4DHJ in the trailer park ... wrote:
Do you english still install timber windows in the outside leaf ? ..... So, what wrong with the Scots, Welsh and Irish, that you don't want to know about them? -- Colin Bignell |
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"Nightjar .me.uk" "cpb"@ insert my surname here wrote in message ... On 09/05/2015 15:57, Jim GM4DHJ in the trailer park ... wrote: Do you english still install timber windows in the outside leaf ? ..... So, what wrong with the Scots, Welsh and Irish, that you don't want to know about them? Colin Bignell because due to the wet climate the Scots have never done it ........ |
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On 09/05/2015 17:37, Jim GM4DHJ in the trailer park ... wrote:
"Nightjar .me.uk" "cpb"@ insert my surname here wrote in message ... On 09/05/2015 15:57, Jim GM4DHJ in the trailer park ... wrote: Do you english still install timber windows in the outside leaf ? ..... So, what wrong with the Scots, Welsh and Irish, that you don't want to know about them? Colin Bignell because due to the wet climate the Scots have never done it ........ Generally Scottish crofts have solid walls, so all their windows are in the outer leaf, as there is no other. -- Colin Bignell |
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"Jim GM4DHJ in the trailer park ..." wrote in message ... Do you english still install timber windows in the outside leaf ? ..... Yes but only in posh houses. Most windows now are uPVC. New and replacement. And doors. |
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"Nightjar wrote i On 09/05/2015 15:57, Jim GM4DHJ in the trailer park ... wrote: Do you english still install timber windows in the outside leaf ? ..... So, what wrong with the Scots, Welsh and Irish, that you don't want to know about them? because due to the wet climate the Scots have never done it ........ Can we say "********" children ? |
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"Nightjar .me.uk" "cpb"@ insert my surname here wrote in message ... On 09/05/2015 17:37, Jim GM4DHJ in the trailer park ... wrote: "Nightjar .me.uk" "cpb"@ insert my surname here wrote in message ... On 09/05/2015 15:57, Jim GM4DHJ in the trailer park ... wrote: Do you english still install timber windows in the outside leaf ? ..... So, what wrong with the Scots, Welsh and Irish, that you don't want to know about them? Colin Bignell because due to the wet climate the Scots have never done it ........ Generally Scottish crofts have solid walls, so all their windows are in the outer leaf, as there is no other. About 1% of Scots live in crofts, the other 99% live in normal dwellings in towns and cities |
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On 5/9/2015 8:23 PM, Phil L wrote:
"Nightjar .me.uk" "cpb"@ insert my surname here wrote Generally Scottish crofts have solid walls, so all their windows are in the outer leaf, as there is no other. About 1% of Scots live in crofts, the other 99% live in normal dwellings in towns and cities Even in crofting areas, many crofters live in 'normal' houses. A croft is not a house, it's the land. |
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"Nightjar.me.uk" "cpb"@ insert my surname here wrote in message ... On 09/05/2015 15:57, Jim GM4DHJ in the trailer park ... wrote: Do you english still install timber windows in the outside leaf ? ..... So, what wrong with the Scots, Welsh and Irish, that you don't want to know about them? Presumably he knows about the Scots already. |
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Do you english still install timber windows in the outside leaf ? ..... No, only install PVC or aluminium windows. |
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On Saturday, 9 May 2015 15:57:47 UTC+1, Jim GM4DHJ in the trailer park ... wrote:
Do you english still install timber windows in the outside leaf ? ..... not often NT |
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On 09/05/15 15:57, Jim GM4DHJ in the trailer park ... wrote:
Do you english still install timber windows in the outside leaf ? ..... very often on quality houses. Almost never on cheap ones -- Everything you read in newspapers is absolutely true, except for the rare story of which you happen to have first-hand knowledge. €“ Erwin Knoll |
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On 09/05/2015 15:57, Jim GM4DHJ in the trailer park ... wrote:
Do you english still install timber windows in the outside leaf ? ..... No we install glass windows in the outer leaf, mostly sealed unit double glazing in uPVC or aluminium frames but sometimes in wooden frames (usually where it is a condition of planning consent) --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: --- |
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On 09/05/2015 20:23, Phil L wrote:
"Nightjar .me.uk" "cpb"@ insert my surname here wrote in message ... On 09/05/2015 17:37, Jim GM4DHJ in the trailer park ... wrote: "Nightjar .me.uk" "cpb"@ insert my surname here wrote in message ... On 09/05/2015 15:57, Jim GM4DHJ in the trailer park ... wrote: Do you english still install timber windows in the outside leaf ? ..... So, what wrong with the Scots, Welsh and Irish, that you don't want to know about them? Colin Bignell because due to the wet climate the Scots have never done it ........ Generally Scottish crofts have solid walls, so all their windows are in the outer leaf, as there is no other. About 1% of Scots live in crofts, the other 99% live in normal dwellings in towns and cities Irrelevant to the point being made. -- Colin Bignell |
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On 09/05/2015 15:57, Jim GM4DHJ in the trailer park ... wrote:
Do you english still install timber windows in the outside leaf ? ..... I haven't seen a wooden window in years. We normally use glass. Is there some window tax or other reasons why you would fit wood to an opening, or do you live in a poor region? |
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On Sun, 10 May 2015 11:10:49 +0100, Fredxxx wrote:
Do you english still install timber windows in the outside leaf ? ..... I haven't seen a wooden window in years. We normally use glass. Is there some window tax or other reasons why you would fit wood to an opening, or do you live in a poor region? Umm, every single window and door in this house, including the four brand new ones I've fitted to an outbuilding this year, are wooden. They were more expensive than tupperware, too. Going back to the original question - none of the walls are cavity, though, so I can't comment about which leaf they're fitted to here, but they are all fitted flushish with the outside rather than the inside, as is normal, so if they were cavity they would be in the outside leaf. |
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On Sunday, 10 May 2015 08:06:28 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 09/05/15 15:57, Jim GM4DHJ in the trailer park ... wrote: Do you english still install timber windows in the outside leaf ? ..... very often on quality houses. Almost never on cheap ones Normally they go in the inner leaf for fire safety reasons NT |
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On Sunday, 10 May 2015 14:37:09 UTC+1, Roger Mills wrote:
On 10/05/2015 11:52, nt wrote: Normally they go in the inner leaf for fire safety reasons Do they?! How does that help fire safety? Flames licking up the outside take longer to ignite the frame, retarding fire spread. Inner leaf windows have been standard for this reason for a very long time. Outer leaf windows tend to be found on very old houses that predate this. NT |
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I haven't seen a house with a window on the inner leaf for a long time. They generally have wide inner sills and adorn ornaments and the like. you will be telling me next th in the past at the Scots shouldn't have cut off the window horns and should have built them in ....... ...... |
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On 10/05/2015 18:48, harryagain wrote:
"Fredxxx" wrote in message ... On 10/05/2015 23:09, wrote: On Sunday, 10 May 2015 14:37:09 UTC+1, Roger Mills wrote: On 10/05/2015 11:52, nt wrote: Normally they go in the inner leaf for fire safety reasons Do they?! How does that help fire safety? Flames licking up the outside take longer to ignite the frame, retarding fire spread. Most fires are internal, where there's combustible material. You would have thought a window on an external leaf would be better? Inner leaf windows have been standard for this reason for a very long time. Outer leaf windows tend to be found on very old houses that predate this. I haven't seen a house with a window on the inner leaf for a long time. They generally have wide inner sills and adorn ornaments and the like. Are you sure you're talking of the UK? He's talking drivel. Windows are to keep the weather out, as is the outer leaf. Hence the window has to be linked/continuous with to the outer leaf. Plastic windows are a fire hazard. The plastic gives off highly toxic fumes in a fire. Are all of your window frames wooden or Crittal steel then? |
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"Bod" wrote in message ... On 10/05/2015 18:48, harryagain wrote: "Fredxxx" wrote in message ... On 10/05/2015 23:09, wrote: On Sunday, 10 May 2015 14:37:09 UTC+1, Roger Mills wrote: On 10/05/2015 11:52, nt wrote: Normally they go in the inner leaf for fire safety reasons Do they?! How does that help fire safety? Flames licking up the outside take longer to ignite the frame, retarding fire spread. Most fires are internal, where there's combustible material. You would have thought a window on an external leaf would be better? Inner leaf windows have been standard for this reason for a very long time. Outer leaf windows tend to be found on very old houses that predate this. I haven't seen a house with a window on the inner leaf for a long time. They generally have wide inner sills and adorn ornaments and the like. Are you sure you're talking of the UK? He's talking drivel. Windows are to keep the weather out, as is the outer leaf. Hence the window has to be linked/continuous with to the outer leaf. Plastic windows are a fire hazard. The plastic gives off highly toxic fumes in a fire. Are all of your window frames wooden or Crittal steel then? mine a quality NorDan windows fitted behind the vertical dpc of the cavity closure rebate ..... |
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Most fires are internal, where there's combustible material. You would have thought a window on an external leaf would be better? Inner leaf windows have been standard for this reason for a very long time. Outer leaf windows tend to be found on very old houses that predate this. I haven't seen a house with a window on the inner leaf for a long time. They generally have wide inner sills and adorn ornaments and the like. Are you sure you're talking of the UK? He's talking drivel. Windows are to keep the weather out, as is the outer leaf. Hence the window has to be linked/continuous with to the outer leaf. Plastic windows are a fire hazard. The plastic gives off highly toxic fumes in a fire. Are all of your window frames wooden or Crittal steel then? mine a quality NorDan windows fitted behind the vertical dpc of the cavity closure rebate ..... So they are plastic then, unless you have the aluminium cladding? |
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"harryagain" wrote in message ... "Fredxxx" wrote in message ... On 10/05/2015 23:09, wrote: On Sunday, 10 May 2015 14:37:09 UTC+1, Roger Mills wrote: On 10/05/2015 11:52, nt wrote: Normally they go in the inner leaf for fire safety reasons Do they?! How does that help fire safety? Flames licking up the outside take longer to ignite the frame, retarding fire spread. Most fires are internal, where there's combustible material. You would have thought a window on an external leaf would be better? Inner leaf windows have been standard for this reason for a very long time. Outer leaf windows tend to be found on very old houses that predate this. I haven't seen a house with a window on the inner leaf for a long time. They generally have wide inner sills and adorn ornaments and the like. Are you sure you're talking of the UK? He's talking drivel. Windows are to keep the weather out, as is the outer leaf. Yes. Hence the window has to be linked/continuous with to the outer leaf. Nope. Perfectly possible to have the windows recessed in the wall and on the inner leaf. No real point in doing that tho. Plastic windows are a fire hazard. The plastic gives off highly toxic fumes in a fire. |
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"Bod" wrote in message ... Most fires are internal, where there's combustible material. You would have thought a window on an external leaf would be better? Inner leaf windows have been standard for this reason for a very long time. Outer leaf windows tend to be found on very old houses that predate this. I haven't seen a house with a window on the inner leaf for a long time. They generally have wide inner sills and adorn ornaments and the like. Are you sure you're talking of the UK? He's talking drivel. Windows are to keep the weather out, as is the outer leaf. Hence the window has to be linked/continuous with to the outer leaf. Plastic windows are a fire hazard. The plastic gives off highly toxic fumes in a fire. Are all of your window frames wooden or Crittal steel then? mine a quality NorDan windows fitted behind the vertical dpc of the cavity closure rebate ..... So they are plastic then, unless you have the aluminium cladding? no...timber |
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"Bod" wrote in message ... Most fires are internal, where there's combustible material. You would have thought a window on an external leaf would be better? Inner leaf windows have been standard for this reason for a very long time. Outer leaf windows tend to be found on very old houses that predate this. I haven't seen a house with a window on the inner leaf for a long time. They generally have wide inner sills and adorn ornaments and the like. Are you sure you're talking of the UK? He's talking drivel. Windows are to keep the weather out, as is the outer leaf. Hence the window has to be linked/continuous with to the outer leaf. Plastic windows are a fire hazard. The plastic gives off highly toxic fumes in a fire. Are all of your window frames wooden or Crittal steel then? mine a quality NorDan windows fitted behind the vertical dpc of the cavity closure rebate ..... So they are plastic then, unless you have the aluminium cladding? no...timber Oh, ok. |
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"Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote in message ... "Bod" wrote in message ... Most fires are internal, where there's combustible material. You would have thought a window on an external leaf would be better? Inner leaf windows have been standard for this reason for a very long time. Outer leaf windows tend to be found on very old houses that predate this. I haven't seen a house with a window on the inner leaf for a long time. They generally have wide inner sills and adorn ornaments and the like. Are you sure you're talking of the UK? He's talking drivel. Windows are to keep the weather out, as is the outer leaf. Hence the window has to be linked/continuous with to the outer leaf. Plastic windows are a fire hazard. The plastic gives off highly toxic fumes in a fire. Are all of your window frames wooden or Crittal steel then? mine a quality NorDan windows fitted behind the vertical dpc of the cavity closure rebate ..... So they are plastic then, unless you have the aluminium cladding? no...timber and if you have a concrete boot lintel (with a normal lintel in the outside leaf) with a dpm over the boot lintel coming out in line with the cavity closure dpc ...if you fit your window in the outside leaf you may have water appearing inside the house above the window..... |
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He's talking drivel. Windows are to keep the weather out, as is the outer leaf. Hence the window has to be linked/continuous with to the outer leaf. Plastic windows are a fire hazard. The plastic gives off highly toxic fumes in a fire. Are all of your window frames wooden or Crittal steel then? mine a quality NorDan windows fitted behind the vertical dpc of the cavity closure rebate ..... So they are plastic then, unless you have the aluminium cladding? no...timber and if you have a concrete boot lintel (with a normal lintel in the outside leaf) with a dpm over the boot lintel coming out in line with the cavity closure dpc ...if you fit your window in the outside leaf you may have water appearing inside the house above the window..... Well I've never heard of a double glazed window leaking from above a window when fitted to the outer leaf. |
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"Bod" wrote in message ... He's talking drivel. Windows are to keep the weather out, as is the outer leaf. Hence the window has to be linked/continuous with to the outer leaf. Plastic windows are a fire hazard. The plastic gives off highly toxic fumes in a fire. Are all of your window frames wooden or Crittal steel then? mine a quality NorDan windows fitted behind the vertical dpc of the cavity closure rebate ..... So they are plastic then, unless you have the aluminium cladding? no...timber and if you have a concrete boot lintel (with a normal lintel in the outside leaf) with a dpm over the boot lintel coming out in line with the cavity closure dpc ...if you fit your window in the outside leaf you may have water appearing inside the house above the window..... Well I've never heard of a double glazed window leaking from above a window when fitted to the outer leaf. seen plenty and asked for plenty to be moved back in line with the cavity closure when I did letters of comfort ....... |
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On 11/05/2015 09:05, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
"Bod" wrote in message ... He's talking drivel. Windows are to keep the weather out, as is the outer leaf. Hence the window has to be linked/continuous with to the outer leaf. Plastic windows are a fire hazard. The plastic gives off highly toxic fumes in a fire. Are all of your window frames wooden or Crittal steel then? mine a quality NorDan windows fitted behind the vertical dpc of the cavity closure rebate ..... So they are plastic then, unless you have the aluminium cladding? no...timber and if you have a concrete boot lintel (with a normal lintel in the outside leaf) with a dpm over the boot lintel coming out in line with the cavity closure dpc ...if you fit your window in the outside leaf you may have water appearing inside the house above the window..... Well I've never heard of a double glazed window leaking from above a window when fitted to the outer leaf. seen plenty and asked for plenty to be moved back in line with the cavity closure when I did letters of comfort ....... Oh, ok. |
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On 11/05/2015 08:57, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
"Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote in message ... "Bod" wrote in message ... Most fires are internal, where there's combustible material. You would have thought a window on an external leaf would be better? Inner leaf windows have been standard for this reason for a very long time. Outer leaf windows tend to be found on very old houses that predate this. I haven't seen a house with a window on the inner leaf for a long time. They generally have wide inner sills and adorn ornaments and the like. Are you sure you're talking of the UK? He's talking drivel. Windows are to keep the weather out, as is the outer leaf. Hence the window has to be linked/continuous with to the outer leaf. Plastic windows are a fire hazard. The plastic gives off highly toxic fumes in a fire. Are all of your window frames wooden or Crittal steel then? mine a quality NorDan windows fitted behind the vertical dpc of the cavity closure rebate ..... So they are plastic then, unless you have the aluminium cladding? no...timber and if you have a concrete boot lintel (with a normal lintel in the outside leaf) with a dpm over the boot lintel coming out in line with the cavity closure dpc ...if you fit your window in the outside leaf you may have water appearing inside the house above the window..... Not if done properly: http://www.manthorpe.co.uk/Building/...ay-System.html I think have only come across cheapskate builders flouting regulations. |
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On Monday, 11 May 2015 00:08:01 UTC+1, Fredxxx wrote:
On 10/05/2015 23:09, nt wrote: On Sunday, 10 May 2015 14:37:09 UTC+1, Roger Mills wrote: On 10/05/2015 11:52, nt wrote: Normally they go in the inner leaf for fire safety reasons Do they?! How does that help fire safety? Flames licking up the outside take longer to ignite the frame, retarding fire spread. Most fires are internal, where there's combustible material. You would have thought a window on an external leaf would be better? from where they spread to being external, and set other houses alight. Its not as big an issue these days with a fire service. Inner leaf windows have been standard for this reason for a very long time. Outer leaf windows tend to be found on very old houses that predate this. I haven't seen a house with a window on the inner leaf for a long time. They generally have wide inner sills and adorn ornaments and the like. Are you sure you're talking of the UK? Most houses have recessed windows. Maybe I'm wrong about how they're fixed though. NT |
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"Fredxxx" wrote in message ... On 11/05/2015 08:57, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote: "Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote in message ... "Bod" wrote in message ... Most fires are internal, where there's combustible material. You would have thought a window on an external leaf would be better? Inner leaf windows have been standard for this reason for a very long time. Outer leaf windows tend to be found on very old houses that predate this. I haven't seen a house with a window on the inner leaf for a long time. They generally have wide inner sills and adorn ornaments and the like. Are you sure you're talking of the UK? He's talking drivel. Windows are to keep the weather out, as is the outer leaf. Hence the window has to be linked/continuous with to the outer leaf. Plastic windows are a fire hazard. The plastic gives off highly toxic fumes in a fire. Are all of your window frames wooden or Crittal steel then? mine a quality NorDan windows fitted behind the vertical dpc of the cavity closure rebate ..... So they are plastic then, unless you have the aluminium cladding? no...timber and if you have a concrete boot lintel (with a normal lintel in the outside leaf) with a dpm over the boot lintel coming out in line with the cavity closure dpc ...if you fit your window in the outside leaf you may have water appearing inside the house above the window..... Not if done properly: http://www.manthorpe.co.uk/Building/...ay-System.html I think have only come across cheapskate builders flouting regulations. yes but in older houses as I described you can land youself in trouble ....... |
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"Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote in message ... "Fredxxx" wrote in message ... On 11/05/2015 08:57, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote: "Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote in message ... "Bod" wrote in message ... Most fires are internal, where there's combustible material. You would have thought a window on an external leaf would be better? Inner leaf windows have been standard for this reason for a very long time. Outer leaf windows tend to be found on very old houses that predate this. I haven't seen a house with a window on the inner leaf for a long time. They generally have wide inner sills and adorn ornaments and the like. Are you sure you're talking of the UK? He's talking drivel. Windows are to keep the weather out, as is the outer leaf. Hence the window has to be linked/continuous with to the outer leaf. Plastic windows are a fire hazard. The plastic gives off highly toxic fumes in a fire. Are all of your window frames wooden or Crittal steel then? mine a quality NorDan windows fitted behind the vertical dpc of the cavity closure rebate ..... So they are plastic then, unless you have the aluminium cladding? no...timber and if you have a concrete boot lintel (with a normal lintel in the outside leaf) with a dpm over the boot lintel coming out in line with the cavity closure dpc ...if you fit your window in the outside leaf you may have water appearing inside the house above the window..... Not if done properly: http://www.manthorpe.co.uk/Building/...ay-System.html I think have only come across cheapskate builders flouting regulations. yes but in older houses as I described you can land youself in trouble ...... This house built in 1990 does not have a cavity tray above the original protruding porch and wc which faces SW into the prevailing wind ...just a lead flashing raggled in ....I thought the ceiling looked damaged when we moved in in '96 and yes water ****ed in onto the ceiling the first winter we were here...Used Thompson's silicon seal on the brickwork above the raggle ....lasted about seven years before I had to re-do it....about time I did it again now ....I blame English facing bricks...in the past scottish houses were harled to keep out the witter ..... |
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"Bod" wrote in message ... He's talking drivel. Windows are to keep the weather out, as is the outer leaf. Hence the window has to be linked/continuous with to the outer leaf. Plastic windows are a fire hazard. The plastic gives off highly toxic fumes in a fire. Are all of your window frames wooden or Crittal steel then? mine a quality NorDan windows fitted behind the vertical dpc of the cavity closure rebate ..... So they are plastic then, unless you have the aluminium cladding? no...timber and if you have a concrete boot lintel (with a normal lintel in the outside leaf) with a dpm over the boot lintel coming out in line with the cavity closure dpc ...if you fit your window in the outside leaf you may have water appearing inside the house above the window..... Well I've never heard of a double glazed window leaking from above a window when fitted to the outer leaf. There is a cavity tray above windows to divert any water outside through weepholes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavity_wall |
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