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Water and human proof bell push needed
Well says it all. I have a little door phone and after about 6 months trying
to keep the call/bell button has been abandoned in favour of an old bell push I found in a drawer with a Woolworths price tag on it. This is wired so it shorts the intercom cable as the original failed one which consisted of some tacky little push switch on a pcb glued in with heat glue. the Woolies on is your basic two brass bits sprung apart and a plastic button to short them together. Tis worked fine till one of two things happened. Firstly, its not waterproof and when its really wet, it shorts enough to make the bell sound or make silly whining noises leaving the amp running with clicks and groans. Or, the local cold caller or whoever who seems to have been studying finger karate, squishes it so much the prongs stay shorted out when the finger is removed. Most bell pushes seem to still be of this type. I had no idea of the stringent needs of a bell push in this environment before, so wondered if anyone else had any bright ideas? Brian -- From the Sofa of Brian Gaff Reply address is active |
Water and human proof bell push needed
"Brian-Gaff" wrote in message ... Well says it all. I have a little door phone and after about 6 months trying to keep the call/bell button has been abandoned in favour of an old bell push I found in a drawer with a Woolworths price tag on it. This is wired so it shorts the intercom cable as the original failed one which consisted of some tacky little push switch on a pcb glued in with heat glue. the Woolies on is your basic two brass bits sprung apart and a plastic button to short them together. Tis worked fine till one of two things happened. Firstly, its not waterproof and when its really wet, it shorts enough to make the bell sound or make silly whining noises leaving the amp running with clicks and groans. Or, the local cold caller or whoever who seems to have been studying finger karate, squishes it so much the prongs stay shorted out when the finger is removed. Most bell pushes seem to still be of this type. I had no idea of the stringent needs of a bell push in this environment before, so wondered if anyone else had any bright ideas? Brian I gave up replacing my bell push a decade ago because of that problem....if anybody knows a reliable type though ..... |
Water and human proof bell push needed
On 07/05/2015 07:46, Brian-Gaff wrote:
Well says it all. I have a little door phone and after about 6 months trying to keep the call/bell button has been abandoned in favour of an old bell push I found in a drawer with a Woolworths price tag on it. This is wired so it shorts the intercom cable as the original failed one which consisted of some tacky little push switch on a pcb glued in with heat glue. the Woolies on is your basic two brass bits sprung apart and a plastic button to short them together. Tis worked fine till one of two things happened. Firstly, its not waterproof and when its really wet, it shorts enough to make the bell sound or make silly whining noises leaving the amp running with clicks and groans. Or, the local cold caller or whoever who seems to have been studying finger karate, squishes it so much the prongs stay shorted out when the finger is removed. Most bell pushes seem to still be of this type. I had no idea of the stringent needs of a bell push in this environment before, so wondered if anyone else had any bright ideas? Brian I seem to recall those old type of bell pushes that seemed to always work come rain or shine. I mean the white coloured ceramic buttons encased in brass, that you used to see outside old buildings. I don't know if they are still available or not. |
Water and human proof bell push needed
Brian-Gaff wrote:
I had no idea of the stringent needs of a bell push in this environment before, so wondered if anyone else had any bright ideas? My Friedland D723 seems to been built to keep the weather away from the contacts, perhaps you want one without illumination such as the D824 to suit use with a doorphone? Only two or three quid. |
Water and human proof bell push needed
On 07/05/2015 07:53, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
"Brian-Gaff" wrote in message ... Well says it all. I have a little door phone and after about 6 months trying to keep the call/bell button has been abandoned in favour of an old bell push I found in a drawer with a Woolworths price tag on it. This is wired so it shorts the intercom cable as the original failed one which consisted of some tacky little push switch on a pcb glued in with heat glue. the Woolies on is your basic two brass bits sprung apart and a plastic button to short them together. Tis worked fine till one of two things happened. Firstly, its not waterproof and when its really wet, it shorts enough to make the bell sound or make silly whining noises leaving the amp running with clicks and groans. Or, the local cold caller or whoever who seems to have been studying finger karate, squishes it so much the prongs stay shorted out when the finger is removed. Most bell pushes seem to still be of this type. I had no idea of the stringent needs of a bell push in this environment before, so wondered if anyone else had any bright ideas? Brian I gave up replacing my bell push a decade ago because of that problem....if anybody knows a reliable type though ..... I've given up on buying wireless door bells. The bell pushes seem to go dicky after about a year. So I'm looking around for a simple old fashioned "bzz bbzz" sounding bell with a *wired* connection. |
Water and human proof bell push needed
On 07/05/2015 07:58, Andy Burns wrote:
Brian-Gaff wrote: I had no idea of the stringent needs of a bell push in this environment before, so wondered if anyone else had any bright ideas? My Friedland D723 seems to been built to keep the weather away from the contacts, perhaps you want one without illumination such as the D824 to suit use with a doorphone? Only two or three quid. Is that a wireless or wired bell push? |
Water and human proof bell push needed
"Brian-Gaff" wrote in message ... Well says it all. I have a little door phone and after about 6 months trying to keep the call/bell button has been abandoned in favour of an old bell push I found in a drawer with a Woolworths price tag on it. This is wired so it shorts the intercom cable as the original failed one which consisted of some tacky little push switch on a pcb glued in with heat glue. the Woolies on is your basic two brass bits sprung apart and a plastic button to short them together. Tis worked fine till one of two things happened. Firstly, its not waterproof and when its really wet, it shorts enough to make the bell sound or make silly whining noises leaving the amp running with clicks and groans. Or, the local cold caller or whoever who seems to have been studying finger karate, squishes it so much the prongs stay shorted out when the finger is removed. Most bell pushes seem to still be of this type. I had no idea of the stringent needs of a bell push in this environment before, so wondered if anyone else had any bright ideas? Use a proper hall effect switch so that it can be completely waterproof and it doesn’t matter what anyone pressing it does with the magnet on the button short of attacking it with a hammer. |
Water and human proof bell push needed
On Thu, 07 May 2015 07:53:07 +0100, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
"Brian-Gaff" wrote in message ... Well says it all. I have a little door phone and after about 6 months trying to keep the call/bell button has been abandoned in favour of an old bell push I found in a drawer with a Woolworths price tag on it. This is wired so it shorts the intercom cable as the original failed one which consisted of some tacky little push switch on a pcb glued in with heat glue. the Woolies on is your basic two brass bits sprung apart and a plastic button to short them together. Tis worked fine till one of two things happened. Firstly, its not waterproof and when its really wet, it shorts enough to make the bell sound or make silly whining noises leaving the amp running with clicks and groans. Or, the local cold caller or whoever who seems to have been studying finger karate, squishes it so much the prongs stay shorted out when the finger is removed. Most bell pushes seem to still be of this type. I had no idea of the stringent needs of a bell push in this environment before, so wondered if anyone else had any bright ideas? Brian I gave up replacing my bell push a decade ago because of that problem....if anybody knows a reliable type though ..... Some DIY with a magnet and a reed switch...I know there may be a current problem, but that's just another DIY solution. My bell push only has to take a fraction of an amp... |
Water and human proof bell push needed
On 07/05/2015 07:55, Bod wrote:
On 07/05/2015 07:46, Brian-Gaff wrote: Well says it all. I have a little door phone and after about 6 months trying to keep the call/bell button has been abandoned in favour of an old bell push I found in a drawer with a Woolworths price tag on it. This is wired so it shorts the intercom cable as the original failed one which consisted of some tacky little push switch on a pcb glued in with heat glue. the Woolies on is your basic two brass bits sprung apart and a plastic button to short them together. Tis worked fine till one of two things happened. Firstly, its not waterproof and when its really wet, it shorts enough to make the bell sound or make silly whining noises leaving the amp running with clicks and groans. Or, the local cold caller or whoever who seems to have been studying finger karate, squishes it so much the prongs stay shorted out when the finger is removed. Most bell pushes seem to still be of this type. I had no idea of the stringent needs of a bell push in this environment before, so wondered if anyone else had any bright ideas? Brian I seem to recall those old type of bell pushes that seemed to always work come rain or shine. I mean the white coloured ceramic buttons encased in brass, that you used to see outside old buildings. I don't know if they are still available or not. Try this for a traditional bell that always works and has big chunky batteries http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/151251036496 |
Water and human proof bell push needed
On 07/05/2015 07:46, Brian-Gaff wrote:
Well says it all. I have a little door phone and after about 6 months trying to keep the call/bell button has been abandoned in favour of an old bell push I found in a drawer with a Woolworths price tag on it. This is wired so it shorts the intercom cable as the original failed one which consisted of some tacky little push switch on a pcb glued in with heat glue. the Woolies on is your basic two brass bits sprung apart and a plastic button to short them together. Tis worked fine till one of two things happened. Firstly, its not waterproof and when its really wet, it shorts enough to make the bell sound or make silly whining noises leaving the amp running with clicks and groans. Or, the local cold caller or whoever who seems to have been studying finger karate, squishes it so much the prongs stay shorted out when the finger is removed. Most bell pushes seem to still be of this type. I had no idea of the stringent needs of a bell push in this environment before, so wondered if anyone else had any bright ideas? Brian I think it is an inherent property of bell pushes that the fail quickly. I once built one using an industrial vandal resistant and water proof push switch, which worked fine for years on machinery. As a bell push, inside a porch, it stopped working after about two years. -- Colin Bignell |
Water and human proof bell push needed
removed. Most bell pushes seem to still be of this type. I had no idea of the stringent needs of a bell push in this environment before, so wondered if anyone else had any bright ideas? Brian I seem to recall those old type of bell pushes that seemed to always work come rain or shine. I mean the white coloured ceramic buttons encased in brass, that you used to see outside old buildings. I don't know if they are still available or not. Try this for a traditional bell that always works and has big chunky batteries http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/151251036496 Thanks for the link, but even that bell push looks like the standard rubbishy ones (I could well be wrong though). Have you any experience of this one, by any chance? |
Water and human proof bell push needed
Brian-Gaff wrote:
Well says it all. I have a little door phone and after about 6 months trying to keep the call/bell button has been abandoned in favour of an old bell push I found in a drawer with a Woolworths price tag on it. This is wired so it shorts the intercom cable as the original failed one which consisted of some tacky little push switch on a pcb glued in with heat glue. the Woolies on is your basic two brass bits sprung apart and a plastic button to short them together. Tis worked fine till one of two things happened. Firstly, its not waterproof and when its really wet, it shorts enough to make the bell sound or make silly whining noises leaving the amp running with clicks and groans. Or, the local cold caller or whoever who seems to have been studying finger karate, squishes it so much the prongs stay shorted out when the finger is removed. Most bell pushes seem to still be of this type. I had no idea of the stringent needs of a bell push in this environment before, so wondered if anyone else had any bright ideas? Brian Google for vandal proof push buttons. RS certainly used to have some very well made ones and not stupid money either. |
Water and human proof bell push needed
On Thu, 07 May 2015 09:42:18 +0100, Bob Minchin wrote:
Brian-Gaff wrote: Well says it all. I have a little door phone and after about 6 months trying to keep the call/bell button has been abandoned in favour of an old bell push I found in a drawer with a Woolworths price tag on it. This is wired so it shorts the intercom cable as the original failed one which consisted of some tacky little push switch on a pcb glued in with heat glue. the Woolies on is your basic two brass bits sprung apart and a plastic button to short them together. Tis worked fine till one of two things happened. Firstly, its not waterproof and when its really wet, it shorts enough to make the bell sound or make silly whining noises leaving the amp running with clicks and groans. Or, the local cold caller or whoever who seems to have been studying finger karate, squishes it so much the prongs stay shorted out when the finger is removed. Most bell pushes seem to still be of this type. I had no idea of the stringent needs of a bell push in this environment before, so wondered if anyone else had any bright ideas? Brian Google for vandal proof push buttons. RS certainly used to have some very well made ones and not stupid money either. What I'd like is a reasonably priced external door phone. One that is a 'normally wired' phone , but will dial a preset number when the button is pressed, and has a grille for mic and speaker (i.e. just a box). They all seem to be really stupid prices. |
Water and human proof bell push needed
"Nightjar.me.uk" "cpb"@ insert my surname here wrote in message ... On 07/05/2015 07:46, Brian-Gaff wrote: Well says it all. I have a little door phone and after about 6 months trying to keep the call/bell button has been abandoned in favour of an old bell push I found in a drawer with a Woolworths price tag on it. This is wired so it shorts the intercom cable as the original failed one which consisted of some tacky little push switch on a pcb glued in with heat glue. the Woolies on is your basic two brass bits sprung apart and a plastic button to short them together. Tis worked fine till one of two things happened. Firstly, its not waterproof and when its really wet, it shorts enough to make the bell sound or make silly whining noises leaving the amp running with clicks and groans. Or, the local cold caller or whoever who seems to have been studying finger karate, squishes it so much the prongs stay shorted out when the finger is removed. Most bell pushes seem to still be of this type. I had no idea of the stringent needs of a bell push in this environment before, so wondered if anyone else had any bright ideas? Brian I think it is an inherent property of bell pushes that the fail quickly. I once built one using an industrial vandal resistant and water proof push switch, which worked fine for years on machinery. As a bell push, inside a porch, it stopped working after about two years. I just don’t believe that its not possible to do one that will last for decades. |
Water and human proof bell push needed
Bod wrote:
Andy Burns wrote: My Friedland D723 seems to been built to keep the weather away from the contacts Is that a wireless or wired bell push? A wired one. |
Water and human proof bell push needed
Most bell pushes seem to still be of this type. I had no idea of the stringent needs of a bell push in this environment before, so wondered if anyone else had any bright ideas? Brian I think it is an inherent property of bell pushes that the fail quickly. I once built one using an industrial vandal resistant and water proof push switch, which worked fine for years on machinery. As a bell push, inside a porch, it stopped working after about two years. I just don’t believe that its not possible to do one that will last for decades. I remember that bell pushes used to be very reliable and rarely went wrong. Todays bell pushes are probably designed with built in obsolescence. |
Water and human proof bell push needed
On 07/05/2015 10:20, Andy Burns wrote:
Bod wrote: Andy Burns wrote: My Friedland D723 seems to been built to keep the weather away from the contacts Is that a wireless or wired bell push? A wired one. Ok. |
Water and human proof bell push needed
Bod explained on 07/05/2015 :
removed. Most bell pushes seem to still be of this type. I had no idea of the stringent needs of a bell push in this environment before, so wondered if anyone else had any bright ideas? Brian I seem to recall those old type of bell pushes that seemed to always work come rain or shine. I mean the white coloured ceramic buttons encased in brass, that you used to see outside old buildings. I don't know if they are still available or not. Try this for a traditional bell that always works and has big chunky batteries http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/151251036496 Thanks for the link, but even that bell push looks like the standard rubbishy ones (I could well be wrong though). Have you any experience of this one, by any chance? You are correct, they are just the standard rubbishy ones. I suppose you could entirely fill the push with silicon grease, to help exclude the water? -- Regards, Harry (M1BYT) (L) http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk |
Water and human proof bell push needed
"Bod" wrote in message ... Most bell pushes seem to still be of this type. I had no idea of the stringent needs of a bell push in this environment before, so wondered if anyone else had any bright ideas? Brian I think it is an inherent property of bell pushes that the fail quickly. I once built one using an industrial vandal resistant and water proof push switch, which worked fine for years on machinery. As a bell push, inside a porch, it stopped working after about two years. I just don’t believe that its not possible to do one that will last for decades. I remember that bell pushes used to be very reliable and rarely went wrong. Yes. Todays bell pushes are probably designed with built in obsolescence. Nope. Its perfectly possible to buy ones that last for decades. |
Water and human proof bell push needed
On 07/05/2015 11:07, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Bod explained on 07/05/2015 : removed. Most bell pushes seem to still be of this type. I had no idea of the stringent needs of a bell push in this environment before, so wondered if anyone else had any bright ideas? Brian I seem to recall those old type of bell pushes that seemed to always work come rain or shine. I mean the white coloured ceramic buttons encased in brass, that you used to see outside old buildings. I don't know if they are still available or not. Try this for a traditional bell that always works and has big chunky batteries http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/151251036496 Thanks for the link, but even that bell push looks like the standard rubbishy ones (I could well be wrong though). Have you any experience of this one, by any chance? You are correct, they are just the standard rubbishy ones. I suppose you could entirely fill the push with silicon grease, to help exclude the water? Yebbut, we should expect an external doorbell to be waterproof. I don't think that is asking too much. |
Water and human proof bell push needed
I've never seen an actual door bell push which is truly waterproof. But
you can buy waterproof push switches from the likes of RS, etc. Maybe not quite so attractive, though. -- *A person who smiles in the face of adversity probably has a scapegoat * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
Water and human proof bell push needed
On 07/05/2015 11:21, Rod Speed wrote:
"Bod" wrote in message ... Most bell pushes seem to still be of this type. I had no idea of the stringent needs of a bell push in this environment before, so wondered if anyone else had any bright ideas? Brian I think it is an inherent property of bell pushes that the fail quickly. I once built one using an industrial vandal resistant and water proof push switch, which worked fine for years on machinery. As a bell push, inside a porch, it stopped working after about two years. I just don’t believe that its not possible to do one that will last for decades. I remember that bell pushes used to be very reliable and rarely went wrong. Yes. Todays bell pushes are probably designed with built in obsolescence. Nope. Its perfectly possible to buy ones that last for decades. Yes, but the standard plasticky ones *all* seem to be not waterproof. I know, I've probably had about 6 or 7 go wrong in the last 10 years or so. We've even got a canopy over our door. |
Water and human proof bell push needed
On 07/05/2015 11:27, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
I've never seen an actual door bell push which is truly waterproof. But you can buy waterproof push switches from the likes of RS, etc. Maybe not quite so attractive, though. Ok, thanks. |
Water and human proof bell push needed
Dave Plowman (News) wrote
I've never seen an actual door bell push which is truly waterproof. I have. But you can buy waterproof push switches from the likes of RS, etc. And it is trivially easy to make one yourself. Maybe not quite so attractive, though. Trivially easy to make it look any way you like. |
Water and human proof bell push needed
"Bod" wrote in message ... On 07/05/2015 11:21, Rod Speed wrote: "Bod" wrote in message ... Most bell pushes seem to still be of this type. I had no idea of the stringent needs of a bell push in this environment before, so wondered if anyone else had any bright ideas? Brian I think it is an inherent property of bell pushes that the fail quickly. I once built one using an industrial vandal resistant and water proof push switch, which worked fine for years on machinery. As a bell push, inside a porch, it stopped working after about two years. I just don’t believe that its not possible to do one that will last for decades. I remember that bell pushes used to be very reliable and rarely went wrong. Yes. Todays bell pushes are probably designed with built in obsolescence. Nope. Its perfectly possible to buy ones that last for decades. Yes, but the standard plasticky ones *all* seem to be not waterproof. Sure, but this is a DIY group. I built the entire house from scratch on a bare block of land. A bell push is quite a bit easier than that. I know, I've probably had about 6 or 7 go wrong in the last 10 years or so. We've even got a canopy over our door. Then you should make one yourself. |
Water and human proof bell push needed
Bod formulated the question :
Yes, but the standard plasticky ones *all* seem to be not waterproof. I know, I've probably had about 6 or 7 go wrong in the last 10 years or so. We've even got a canopy over our door. Weather-proofing is not I think the main issue - It is over enthusiastic button pushers. If they push the button and get no noise as feedback, they tend to try again and push even harder. -- Regards, Harry (M1BYT) (L) http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk |
Water and human proof bell push needed
Yes, but the standard plasticky ones *all* seem to be not waterproof. Sure, but this is a DIY group. I built the entire house from scratch on a bare block of land. A bell push is quite a bit easier than that. I know, I've probably had about 6 or 7 go wrong in the last 10 years or so. We've even got a canopy over our door. Then you should make one yourself. I could do, but I want an illuminated one. They only cost a few quid so not worth the bother. |
Water and human proof bell push needed
On 07/05/2015 11:42, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Bod formulated the question : Yes, but the standard plasticky ones *all* seem to be not waterproof. I know, I've probably had about 6 or 7 go wrong in the last 10 years or so. We've even got a canopy over our door. Weather-proofing is not I think the main issue - It is over enthusiastic button pushers. If they push the button and get no noise as feedback, they tend to try again and push even harder. There's that to it as well. |
Water and human proof bell push needed
On Thu, 07 May 2015 12:22:59 +0100, Bod wrote:
On 07/05/2015 11:42, Harry Bloomfield wrote: Bod formulated the question : Yes, but the standard plasticky ones *all* seem to be not waterproof. I know, I've probably had about 6 or 7 go wrong in the last 10 years or so. We've even got a canopy over our door. Weather-proofing is not I think the main issue - It is over enthusiastic button pushers. If they push the button and get no noise as feedback, they tend to try again and push even harder. There's that to it as well. I was wondering about a small speaker above the door. On pressing the button, the bells would sound in the house, but outside, a voice would intone "The bell has been activated". |
Water and human proof bell push needed
On 07/05/2015 13:09, Bob Eager wrote:
On Thu, 07 May 2015 12:22:59 +0100, Bod wrote: On 07/05/2015 11:42, Harry Bloomfield wrote: Bod formulated the question : Yes, but the standard plasticky ones *all* seem to be not waterproof. I know, I've probably had about 6 or 7 go wrong in the last 10 years or so. We've even got a canopy over our door. Weather-proofing is not I think the main issue - It is over enthusiastic button pushers. If they push the button and get no noise as feedback, they tend to try again and push even harder. There's that to it as well. I was wondering about a small speaker above the door. On pressing the button, the bells would sound in the house, but outside, a voice would intone "The bell has been activated". "The sirius cybernetics corporation thanks you for being gentle to this bell-push" |
Water and human proof bell push needed
On 07/05/2015 13:09, Bob Eager wrote:
On Thu, 07 May 2015 12:22:59 +0100, Bod wrote: On 07/05/2015 11:42, Harry Bloomfield wrote: Bod formulated the question : Yes, but the standard plasticky ones *all* seem to be not waterproof. I know, I've probably had about 6 or 7 go wrong in the last 10 years or so. We've even got a canopy over our door. Weather-proofing is not I think the main issue - It is over enthusiastic button pushers. If they push the button and get no noise as feedback, they tend to try again and push even harder. There's that to it as well. I was wondering about a small speaker above the door. On pressing the button, the bells would sound in the house, but outside, a voice would intone "The bell has been activated". Or "Stop pressing the bloody bell! I'm coming!" Seriously though, it's an idea or even just the sound of the bell so the bell pusher can hear it. |
Water and human proof bell push needed
On Thu, 07 May 2015 13:14:08 +0100, newshound wrote:
On 07/05/2015 13:09, Bob Eager wrote: On Thu, 07 May 2015 12:22:59 +0100, Bod wrote: On 07/05/2015 11:42, Harry Bloomfield wrote: Bod formulated the question : Yes, but the standard plasticky ones *all* seem to be not waterproof. I know, I've probably had about 6 or 7 go wrong in the last 10 years or so. We've even got a canopy over our door. Weather-proofing is not I think the main issue - It is over enthusiastic button pushers. If they push the button and get no noise as feedback, they tend to try again and push even harder. There's that to it as well. I was wondering about a small speaker above the door. On pressing the button, the bells would sound in the house, but outside, a voice would intone "The bell has been activated". "The Sirius cybernetics corporation thanks you for being gentle to this bell-push" Like! Avpx -- ....stones that were missing him by inches and in some cases, hitting him by kilograms. (Sourcery) 13:55:01 up 7 days, 3:55, 6 users, load average: 1.00, 1.06, 1.09 |
Water and human proof bell push needed
In article ,
Rod Speed wrote: I've never seen an actual door bell push which is truly waterproof. I have. Post a link to one, then. Certainly not going to just take your word for it. -- *Those who live by the sword get shot by those who don't* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
Water and human proof bell push needed
On Thu, 07 May 2015 13:20:44 +0100, Bod wrote:
On 07/05/2015 13:09, Bob Eager wrote: On Thu, 07 May 2015 12:22:59 +0100, Bod wrote: On 07/05/2015 11:42, Harry Bloomfield wrote: Bod formulated the question : Yes, but the standard plasticky ones *all* seem to be not waterproof. I know, I've probably had about 6 or 7 go wrong in the last 10 years or so. We've even got a canopy over our door. Weather-proofing is not I think the main issue - It is over enthusiastic button pushers. If they push the button and get no noise as feedback, they tend to try again and push even harder. There's that to it as well. I was wondering about a small speaker above the door. On pressing the button, the bells would sound in the house, but outside, a voice would intone "The bell has been activated". Or "Stop pressing the bloody bell! I'm coming!" Seriously though, it's an idea or even just the sound of the bell so the bell pusher can hear it. I have been seriously considering it. The bell push (as regulars may remember) rings all of the phones in the house with a special cadence. (a) it isn't very audible outside and (b) the caller may not realise it's the "bell". I have spare pairs to the front door so I'm putting it on the list... |
Water and human proof bell push needed
On 07/05/2015 14:51, Bob Eager wrote:
On Thu, 07 May 2015 13:20:44 +0100, Bod wrote: On 07/05/2015 13:09, Bob Eager wrote: On Thu, 07 May 2015 12:22:59 +0100, Bod wrote: On 07/05/2015 11:42, Harry Bloomfield wrote: Bod formulated the question : Yes, but the standard plasticky ones *all* seem to be not waterproof. I know, I've probably had about 6 or 7 go wrong in the last 10 years or so. We've even got a canopy over our door. Weather-proofing is not I think the main issue - It is over enthusiastic button pushers. If they push the button and get no noise as feedback, they tend to try again and push even harder. There's that to it as well. I was wondering about a small speaker above the door. On pressing the button, the bells would sound in the house, but outside, a voice would intone "The bell has been activated". Or "Stop pressing the bloody bell! I'm coming!" Seriously though, it's an idea or even just the sound of the bell so the bell pusher can hear it. I have been seriously considering it. The bell push (as regulars may remember) rings all of the phones in the house with a special cadence. (a) it isn't very audible outside and (b) the caller may not realise it's the "bell". I have spare pairs to the front door so I'm putting it on the list... Righto, good luck. |
Water and human proof bell push needed
On 07/05/2015 10:16, Rod Speed wrote:
"Nightjar.me.uk" "cpb"@ insert my surname here wrote in message ... .... I think it is an inherent property of bell pushes that the fail quickly. I once built one using an industrial vandal resistant and water proof push switch, which worked fine for years on machinery. As a bell push, inside a porch, it stopped working after about two years. I just don’t believe that its not possible to do one that will last for decades. That's what I thought too. I can build control systems for three phase machinery that survive ham-fisted apprentices and streams of coolant. How difficult could a bell push be? -- Colin Bignell |
Water and human proof bell push needed
On 07/05/2015 10:16, Rod Speed wrote:
"Nightjar.me.uk" "cpb"@ insert my surname here wrote in message ... ... I think it is an inherent property of bell pushes that the fail quickly. I once built one using an industrial vandal resistant and water proof push switch, which worked fine for years on machinery. As a bell push, inside a porch, it stopped working after about two years. I just don’t believe that its not possible to do one that will last for decades. That's what I thought too. I can build control systems for three phase machinery that survive ham-fisted apprentices and streams of coolant. How difficult could a bell push be? My home has a brass bell push that was here when we first viewed the house over 12 years ago, it looked old then but still works. Only problem is some callers insist on hammering on the door after pressing the bell as it can't be heard from outside. Mike |
Water and human proof bell push needed
"Brian-Gaff" wrote in message ... Well says it all. I have a little door phone and after about 6 months trying to keep the call/bell button has been abandoned in favour of an old bell push I found in a drawer with a Woolworths price tag on it. This is wired so it shorts the intercom cable as the original failed one which consisted of some tacky little push switch on a pcb glued in with heat glue. the Woolies on is your basic two brass bits sprung apart and a plastic button to short them together. Tis worked fine till one of two things happened. Firstly, its not waterproof and when its really wet, it shorts enough to make the bell sound or make silly whining noises leaving the amp running with clicks and groans. Or, the local cold caller or whoever who seems to have been studying finger karate, squishes it so much the prongs stay shorted out when the finger is removed. Most bell pushes seem to still be of this type. I had no idea of the stringent needs of a bell push in this environment before, so wondered if anyone else had any bright ideas? A bit of WD40 fixes most problems here. You can buy weather proof momentary switches in screwfix ISTR |
Water and human proof bell push needed
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article , Rod Speed wrote: I've never seen an actual door bell push which is truly waterproof. I have. Post a link to one, then. Not possible when it isn't sold online today. |
Water and human proof bell push needed
No I don't want a bell, I want the door intercom and bell to actually work.
that is the point. I could easily get a proper door chime or something that playes the latest telephone ring tones, but that is not what I'm after, its only a bloody switch after all, I am not interested in reinventing the wheel. Brian -- From the Sofa of Brian Gaff Reply address is active "stuart noble" wrote in message ... On 07/05/2015 07:55, Bod wrote: On 07/05/2015 07:46, Brian-Gaff wrote: Well says it all. I have a little door phone and after about 6 months trying to keep the call/bell button has been abandoned in favour of an old bell push I found in a drawer with a Woolworths price tag on it. This is wired so it shorts the intercom cable as the original failed one which consisted of some tacky little push switch on a pcb glued in with heat glue. the Woolies on is your basic two brass bits sprung apart and a plastic button to short them together. Tis worked fine till one of two things happened. Firstly, its not waterproof and when its really wet, it shorts enough to make the bell sound or make silly whining noises leaving the amp running with clicks and groans. Or, the local cold caller or whoever who seems to have been studying finger karate, squishes it so much the prongs stay shorted out when the finger is removed. Most bell pushes seem to still be of this type. I had no idea of the stringent needs of a bell push in this environment before, so wondered if anyone else had any bright ideas? Brian I seem to recall those old type of bell pushes that seemed to always work come rain or shine. I mean the white coloured ceramic buttons encased in brass, that you used to see outside old buildings. I don't know if they are still available or not. Try this for a traditional bell that always works and has big chunky batteries http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/151251036496 |
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