"Andy Burns" wrote in message
o.uk...
Tim Watts wrote:

Police say the gang used a specialist Hilti DD350 diamond coring drill
to bore holes through the concrete walls of the vault

Someone on the radio yesterday (from some-or-other secure storage
association) claimed they'd cut through 16" of steel to get in, which
sounded a little implausible ...

Easy.
And the tool could be home made.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_lance
They would need lots of oxygen.

But no material is proof against the thermal lance.
Cuts steel and concrete like butter

"Chris Hogg" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 9 Apr 2015 15:28:21 +0100, Chris French
wrote:
The key question lies over their security and alarms system.

Which was switched off, apparently, the vault having just had a new
alarm fitted that hadn't yet been commissioned, or some such. Sounds
like someone knew...

There is a theory that they started amajor fire which disabled the alarm
system.

"Police say the gang used a specialist Hilti DD350 diamond coring drill
to bore holes through the concrete walls of the vault before breaking in
and forcing open safety deposit boxes."

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime...-10165155.html

I am sure that won't do Hilti's name any harm. Wasn't it a Hilti nail
gun when they tried to nick the crown jewels from a reinforced glass
case at the Millenium Dome?


New adverts?

"Hilti - for when you really can't afford to be let down"

"Discerning criminals who use Hilti get the swag"

Tim Watts wrote:

Police say the gang used a specialist Hilti DD350 diamond coring drill
to bore holes through the concrete walls of the vault

Someone on the radio yesterday (from some-or-other secure storage
association) claimed they'd cut through 16" of steel to get in, which
sounded a little implausible ...

On 09/04/15 14:59, Andy Burns wrote:
Tim Watts wrote:

Police say the gang used a specialist Hilti DD350 diamond coring drill
to bore holes through the concrete walls of the vault

Someone on the radio yesterday (from some-or-other secure storage
association) claimed they'd cut through 16" of steel to get in, which
sounded a little implausible ...


I'm still dubious about "2m of concrete".

I would have thought a diamond chainsaw would have been more useful.

On Thu, 09 Apr 2015 14:55:08 +0100
Tim Watts wrote:

"Police say the gang used a specialist Hilti DD350 diamond coring
drill to bore holes through the concrete walls of the vault before
breaking in and forcing open safety deposit boxes."

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime...-10165155.html

I am sure that won't do Hilti's name any harm. Wasn't it a Hilti nail
gun when they tried to nick the crown jewels from a reinforced glass
case at the Millenium Dome?


New adverts?

"Hilti - for when you really can't afford to be let down"

"Discerning criminals who use Hilti get the swag"

A bit like Clyde Barrow, of Bonnie and Clyde, praising Ford's V8 cars
because they never let him down when on the run from the law (maybe).

--
Davey.

In message , Tim Watts
writes
On 09/04/15 14:59, Andy Burns wrote:
Tim Watts wrote:

Police say the gang used a specialist Hilti DD350 diamond coring drill
to bore holes through the concrete walls of the vault

Someone on the radio yesterday (from some-or-other secure storage
association) claimed they'd cut through 16" of steel to get in, which
sounded a little implausible ...


I'm still dubious about "2m of concrete".

I would have thought a diamond chainsaw would have been more useful.

There seem to be a lot of tales floating around about it, but the
actual hard info about what they actually did seems to be lacking at the
moment.

As someone else in the industry was quoted as saying (somewhere or
other) once, pouring **** off thick amount of conrete and **** off vault
doors etc. was really enough. But nowadays people can cut through the
concrete or whatever. The key question lies over their security and
alarms system.

--
Chris French

On 09/04/15 15:41, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Thu, 9 Apr 2015 15:28:21 +0100, Chris French
wrote:
The key question lies over their security and alarms system.

Which was switched off, apparently, the vault having just had a new
alarm fitted that hadn't yet been commissioned, or some such. Sounds
like someone knew...


How can that even happen?

OK boss, the new alarm's going in just before Easter and the old one is
out. We'll get it set up after a 4 day closure when the vaults are extra
full of goodies.

Oh and we'll pay someone from MallGuards-R-Us on minimum wage to wiggle
the doors in the bell goes off.

And we've got noone looking at any CCTV feeds from inside.



It's sounds either highly unlikely or a cockup of such monumental
proportions it will forever go down in the annals of history.

I would not like to be the bloke in charge if any of the nicked boxes
belonged to some "more interesting" customers...

Chris Hogg wrote:
On Thu, 9 Apr 2015 15:28:21 +0100, Chris French
wrote:
The key question lies over their security and alarms system.

Which was switched off, apparently, the vault having just had a new
alarm fitted that hadn't yet been commissioned, or some such. Sounds
like someone knew...


The alarm went off and was ignored.

"Chris French" wrote in message
...
In message , Tim Watts
writes
On 09/04/15 14:59, Andy Burns wrote:
Tim Watts wrote:

Police say the gang used a specialist Hilti DD350 diamond coring drill
to bore holes through the concrete walls of the vault

Someone on the radio yesterday (from some-or-other secure storage
association) claimed they'd cut through 16" of steel to get in, which
sounded a little implausible ...


I'm still dubious about "2m of concrete".

I would have thought a diamond chainsaw would have been more useful.

There seem to be a lot of tales floating around about it, but the actual hard info
about what they actually did seems to be lacking at the moment.

As someone else in the industry was quoted as saying (somewhere or other) once, pouring
**** off thick amount of conrete and **** off vault doors etc. was really enough. But
nowadays people can cut through the concrete or whatever. The key question lies over
their security and alarms system.

Such as a lack of any CC TV inside the vault. The security
guard only ever checked the outside to make sure it was
still locked and that nobody had blown a hole in the door.

There was even an episode of the "Sweeney" from the early
70's which featured CCTV in a bank vault. The robbers
recorded footage of nothing happening on an early VCR and
then tapped into the CCTV circuit and played the footage
to fool the guards watching the screen. Something like
that anyway.


michael adams

....








--
Chris French

On 09/04/2015 14:55, Tim Watts wrote:
"Police say the gang used a specialist Hilti DD350 diamond coring drill
to bore holes through the concrete walls of the vault before breaking in
and forcing open safety deposit boxes."

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime...-10165155.html


I am sure that won't do Hilti's name any harm. Wasn't it a Hilti nail
gun when they tried to nick the crown jewels from a reinforced glass
case at the Millenium Dome?


New adverts?

"Hilti - for when you really can't afford to be let down"

"Discerning criminals who use Hilti get the swag"
The Wire taught us that Hilti nailguns are great for sealing up vacant
properties after concealing bodies inside.

On 09/04/2015 14:59, Andy Burns wrote:
Tim Watts wrote:

Police say the gang used a specialist Hilti DD350 diamond coring drill
to bore holes through the concrete walls of the vault

Someone on the radio yesterday (from some-or-other secure storage
association) claimed they'd cut through 16" of steel to get in, which
sounded a little implausible ...


According to the BBC web site, they left an angle grinder behind.

--
Colin Bignell

On 09/04/2015 18:14, Nightjar "cpb"@ wrote:
On 09/04/2015 14:59, Andy Burns wrote:
Tim Watts wrote:

Police say the gang used a specialist Hilti DD350 diamond coring drill
to bore holes through the concrete walls of the vault

Someone on the radio yesterday (from some-or-other secure storage
association) claimed they'd cut through 16" of steel to get in, which
sounded a little implausible ...


According to the BBC web site, they left an angle grinder behind.


I must pop back for that.

Oh bugger!

--
Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

In article ,
says...

In message , Tim Watts
writes
On 09/04/15 14:59, Andy Burns wrote:
Tim Watts wrote:

Police say the gang used a specialist Hilti DD350 diamond coring drill
to bore holes through the concrete walls of the vault

Someone on the radio yesterday (from some-or-other secure storage
association) claimed they'd cut through 16" of steel to get in, which
sounded a little implausible ...


I'm still dubious about "2m of concrete".

I would have thought a diamond chainsaw would have been more useful.

There seem to be a lot of tales floating around about it, but the
actual hard info about what they actually did seems to be lacking at the
moment.

As someone else in the industry was quoted as saying (somewhere or
other) once, pouring **** off thick amount of conrete and **** off vault
doors etc. was really enough. But nowadays people can cut through the
concrete or whatever. The key question lies over their security and
alarms system.

If I ran one of these vaults, or had enough stuff to be worth keeping
in one, I'd be much happier if nobody broadcast details of what they're
made of.

Don't want to make things easier for the next lot.

--
Sam

On Thu, 09 Apr 2015 19:07:06 +0100, Sam Plusnet wrote:

If I ran one of these vaults, or had enough stuff to be worth keeping
in one, I'd be much happier if nobody broadcast details of what they're
made of.

Don't want to make things easier for the next lot.

Whoever runs/ran this vault is not going to be in business by the time
the next lot come along.

In article ,
Adrian wrote:
On Thu, 09 Apr 2015 19:07:06 +0100, Sam Plusnet wrote:

If I ran one of these vaults, or had enough stuff to be worth keeping
in one, I'd be much happier if nobody broadcast details of what they're
made of.

Don't want to make things easier for the next lot.

Whoever runs/ran this vault is not going to be in business by the time
the next lot come along.

Wasn't it broken into before too?

--
*Starfishes have no brains *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 09/04/2015 19:09, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Adrian wrote:
On Thu, 09 Apr 2015 19:07:06 +0100, Sam Plusnet wrote:

If I ran one of these vaults, or had enough stuff to be worth keeping
in one, I'd be much happier if nobody broadcast details of what they're
made of.

Don't want to make things easier for the next lot.

Whoever runs/ran this vault is not going to be in business by the time
the next lot come along.

Wasn't it broken into before too?



three times

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On 09/04/2015 10:18, harryagain wrote:
"Andy Burns" wrote in message
o.uk...
Tim Watts wrote:

Police say the gang used a specialist Hilti DD350 diamond coring drill
to bore holes through the concrete walls of the vault

Someone on the radio yesterday (from some-or-other secure storage
association) claimed they'd cut through 16" of steel to get in, which
sounded a little implausible ...

Easy.
And the tool could be home made.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_lance
They would need lots of oxygen.

But no material is proof against the thermal lance.
Cuts steel and concrete like butter



but you need good ventilation, a huge supply of oxygen and the ability
to breathe in a peasouper of fumes.

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"Jethro_uk" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 09 Apr 2015 16:39:10 +0100, michael adams wrote:


There was even an episode of the "Sweeney" from the early 70's which
featured CCTV in a bank vault. The robbers recorded footage of nothing
happening on an early VCR and then tapped into the CCTV circuit and
played the footage to fool the guards watching the screen. Something
like that anyway.


Not sure about that, but there was a film where a box with a photo of the
scene the CCTV covered was placed over the camera. CCTV cameras being
notorious for their infinite depth of field.

Well I am.

Sweeney series 1 episode 9 "Golden Boy" broadcast 27/02/1975

Fast version

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRAkQdgnOtk

HTH


michael adams

....

On Thursday, April 9, 2015 at 2:55:14 PM UTC+1, Tim Watts wrote:
"Police say the gang used a specialist Hilti DD350 diamond coring drill
to bore holes through the concrete walls of the vault"


They used a three and a half grand Hilti? That's Drivel's alibi sorted then.

If he'd masterminded it, the thieves would've used two hundred PPPro drills. When one konks, just pick up the next and no down time.....

Where is he these days? It's not the same without him.

On Thursday, 9 April 2015 18:14:47 UTC+1, Nightjar wrote:
According to the BBC web site, they left an angle grinder behind.

I wonder what a DD350 goes for in Cash Converters these days ...

Owain

On Thursday, April 9, 2015 at 7:07:00 PM UTC+1, Sam Plusnet wrote:
In article ,
says...

In message , Tim Watts
writes
On 09/04/15 14:59, Andy Burns wrote:
Tim Watts wrote:

Police say the gang used a specialist Hilti DD350 diamond coring drill
to bore holes through the concrete walls of the vault

Someone on the radio yesterday (from some-or-other secure storage
association) claimed they'd cut through 16" of steel to get in, which
sounded a little implausible ...


I'm still dubious about "2m of concrete".

I would have thought a diamond chainsaw would have been more useful.

There seem to be a lot of tales floating around about it, but the
actual hard info about what they actually did seems to be lacking at the
moment.

As someone else in the industry was quoted as saying (somewhere or
other) once, pouring **** off thick amount of conrete and **** off vault
doors etc. was really enough. But nowadays people can cut through the
concrete or whatever. The key question lies over their security and
alarms system.

If I ran one of these vaults, or had enough stuff to be worth keeping
in one, I'd be much happier if nobody broadcast details of what they're
made of.

Don't want to make things easier for the next lot.

--
Sam

Don`t think it was easy, guess they have probably updated the door since 1949

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIGGefPePlI

On 09/04/15 21:50, mike wrote:
On Thursday, April 9, 2015 at 2:55:14 PM UTC+1, Tim Watts wrote:
"Police say the gang used a specialist Hilti DD350 diamond coring drill
to bore holes through the concrete walls of the vault"


They used a three and a half grand Hilti? That's Drivel's alibi sorted then.

If he'd masterminded it, the thieves would've used two hundred PPPro drills.

I thought Dribble was a DeWally fan?

When one konks, just pick up the next and no down time.....

Where is he these days? It's not the same without him.

Tim Watts wrote:
"Police say the gang used a specialist Hilti DD350 diamond coring drill
to bore holes through the concrete walls of the vault before breaking in
and forcing open safety deposit boxes."

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime...-10165155.html


I am sure that won't do Hilti's name any harm. Wasn't it a Hilti nail
gun when they tried to nick the crown jewels from a reinforced glass
case at the Millenium Dome?


New adverts?

"Hilti - for when you really can't afford to be let down"

"Discerning criminals who use Hilti get the swag"


This whole thing seems weird,What diameter core drill, man sized? if
small where does that get them? series of holes? hole for explosives?
If man sized the machine must be potent?

"F Murtz" wrote in message
eb.com...
Tim Watts wrote:
"Police say the gang used a specialist Hilti DD350 diamond coring drill
to bore holes through the concrete walls of the vault before breaking in
and forcing open safety deposit boxes."

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime...-10165155.html


I am sure that won't do Hilti's name any harm. Wasn't it a Hilti nail
gun when they tried to nick the crown jewels from a reinforced glass
case at the Millenium Dome?


New adverts?

"Hilti - for when you really can't afford to be let down"

"Discerning criminals who use Hilti get the swag"


This whole thing seems weird,What diameter core drill, man sized? if small
where does that get them? series of holes? hole for explosives?
If man sized the machine must be potent?

Or what has been publicly spread is nothing
like what actually happened, deliberately.

On Fri, 10 Apr 2015 13:09:05 +1000, F Murtz wrote:

Tim Watts wrote:
"Police say the gang used a specialist Hilti DD350 diamond coring drill
to bore holes through the concrete walls of the vault before breaking in
and forcing open safety deposit boxes."

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime...-10165155.html


I am sure that won't do Hilti's name any harm. Wasn't it a Hilti nail
gun when they tried to nick the crown jewels from a reinforced glass
case at the Millenium Dome?


New adverts?

"Hilti - for when you really can't afford to be let down"

"Discerning criminals who use Hilti get the swag"

This whole thing seems weird,What diameter core drill, man sized? if
small where does that get them? series of holes? hole for explosives?
If man sized the machine must be potent?

"The Crossrail project has been hit by an unexpected delay..."
--
Peter.
The gods will stay away
whilst religions hold sway

On Thu, 09 Apr 2015 18:14:38 +0100, Nightjar "cpb"@ insert my surname
here.me.uk wrote:

On 09/04/2015 14:59, Andy Burns wrote:
Tim Watts wrote:

Police say the gang used a specialist Hilti DD350 diamond coring drill
to bore holes through the concrete walls of the vault

Someone on the radio yesterday (from some-or-other secure storage
association) claimed they'd cut through 16" of steel to get in, which
sounded a little implausible ...


According to the BBC web site, they left an angle grinder behind.

It wasn't me.
--

En el artículo , michael adams
escribió:

The robbers
recorded footage of nothing happening on an early VCR and
then tapped into the CCTV circuit and played the footage
to fool the guards watching the screen. Something like
that anyway.

Also used in a more recent movie - one of the Ocean movies with Clooney.
Ocean's Eleven or Twelve, maybe.

--
:: je suis Charlie :: yo soy Charlie :: ik ben Charlie ::

En el artículo , Tim Watts
escribió:

I thought Dribble was a DeWally fan?

He put up a spirited defence of PPPoo as well. Good riddance to him,
only fit for the killfile.

--
:: je suis Charlie :: yo soy Charlie :: ik ben Charlie ::

En el artículo , PeterC
escribió:

"The Crossrail project has been hit by an unexpected delay..."

"one of our tunnel boring machines is missing"

--
:: je suis Charlie :: yo soy Charlie :: ik ben Charlie ::

On 10/04/15 15:17, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artículo , PeterC
escribió:

"The Crossrail project has been hit by an unexpected delay..."

"one of our tunnel boring machines is missing"

LoL!

One of our buildings in Kingsway is still shut awaiting some serious
cleaning (it was very near and got a facefull of the smoke)

Tim Watts put finger to keyboard:

"Police say the gang used a specialist Hilti DD350 diamond coring drill
to bore holes through the concrete walls of the vault before breaking in
and forcing open safety deposit boxes."

The police also said that they were alerted about the break-in on Tuesday
- now it transpires that they were told early Friday morning but decided
not to pop over and have a look...

On 10/04/15 15:41, Scion wrote:
Tim Watts put finger to keyboard:

"Police say the gang used a specialist Hilti DD350 diamond coring drill
to bore holes through the concrete walls of the vault before breaking in
and forcing open safety deposit boxes."

The police also said that they were alerted about the break-in on Tuesday
- now it transpires that they were told early Friday morning but decided
not to pop over and have a look...


That's going to be embarrassing for the Chief Constable if it's true...

Tim Watts put finger to keyboard:

On 10/04/15 15:41, Scion wrote:
Tim Watts put finger to keyboard:

"Police say the gang used a specialist Hilti DD350 diamond coring
drill to bore holes through the concrete walls of the vault before
breaking in and forcing open safety deposit boxes."

The police also said that they were alerted about the break-in on
Tuesday - now it transpires that they were told early Friday morning
but decided not to pop over and have a look...


That's going to be embarrassing for the Chief Constable if it's true...

The BBC article says that an alarm monitoring company phoned the police. I
would be astonished, given the nature of the business, that the owners/
managers of the safe deposit company were not contacted as well.

On Fri, 10 Apr 2015 15:14:51 +0100
Mike Tomlinson wrote:

En el artÃ*culo , michael adams
escribió:

The robbers
recorded footage of nothing happening on an early VCR and
then tapped into the CCTV circuit and played the footage
to fool the guards watching the screen. Something like
that anyway.

Also used in a more recent movie - one of the Ocean movies with
Clooney. Ocean's Eleven or Twelve, maybe.


That was used in 'Speed', some years ago now.

--
Davey.

On 10/04/2015 15:41, Scion wrote:
Tim Watts put finger to keyboard:

"Police say the gang used a specialist Hilti DD350 diamond coring drill
to bore holes through the concrete walls of the vault before breaking in
and forcing open safety deposit boxes."

The police also said that they were alerted about the break-in on Tuesday
- now it transpires that they were told early Friday morning but decided
not to pop over and have a look...

If, as has been reported elsewhere, they were getting a new alarms
system, it could be because the old one was giving too many false alarms
to warrant a Police response.

--
Colin Bignell

In article ,
Nightjar cpb@ insert my surname here.me.uk wrote:
The police also said that they were alerted about the break-in on
Tuesday - now it transpires that they were told early Friday morning
but decided not to pop over and have a look...

If, as has been reported elsewhere, they were getting a new alarms
system, it could be because the old one was giving too many false alarms
to warrant a Police response.

I'd have thought a vault storing billions of pounds would have had its own
security people? Even if only contract. Perhaps they weren't trusted to go
inside the building on their own?

--
*Change is inevitable ... except from vending machines *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Scion" wrote in message ...
Tim Watts put finger to keyboard:

On 10/04/15 15:41, Scion wrote:
Tim Watts put finger to keyboard:

"Police say the gang used a specialist Hilti DD350 diamond coring
drill to bore holes through the concrete walls of the vault before
breaking in and forcing open safety deposit boxes."

The police also said that they were alerted about the break-in on
Tuesday - now it transpires that they were told early Friday morning
but decided not to pop over and have a look...


That's going to be embarrassing for the Chief Constable if it's true...

The BBC article says that an alarm monitoring company phoned the police. I
would be astonished, given the nature of the business, that the owners/
managers of the safe deposit company were not contacted as well.

This stinks to high heaven. Given all the planning involved it's difficult to believe
that
the robbers would have overlooked any of the alarms unless they could have been sure
that they'd get no response. So that's one or two coppers, coming up to retirement
maybe, in the frame.

The "Sweeney" episode was from 1975, 40 years ago now. Banks and similar were
fitting CCTV in their vaults even then. Nowadays you can go into Maplins spend
£40 or so, and rig up cameras in nestboxes in your garden to watch blue tits hatching.
But not it seems in vaults holding squillions of quids worth of gear.

Never mind heat sensors, motion sensors light sensors or any of the other
sensors which could be expected to go berserk at any sign of life inside a
locked vault.

So that's whoever decided not to bother with any CCTV or similar in the frame
as well.

This has a lot of similarities with the Northern Bank job in Northern Ireland.
Which was conveniently blamed on the Provisional IRA. The first bank
robbery they'd have ever committed without shooting at least four
or five people or blowing half the building away, never mind getting
not getting caught.


michael adams

....

On 10/04/2015 19:06, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Nightjar cpb@ insert my surname here.me.uk wrote:
The police also said that they were alerted about the break-in on
Tuesday - now it transpires that they were told early Friday morning
but decided not to pop over and have a look...

If, as has been reported elsewhere, they were getting a new alarms
system, it could be because the old one was giving too many false alarms
to warrant a Police response.

I'd have thought a vault storing billions of pounds would have had its own
security people? Even if only contract. Perhaps they weren't trusted to go
inside the building on their own?


I am surprised they didn't have remotely monitored CCTV everywhere other
than in the private cubicles which most vaults provide for people to
open their boxes in. Even my local Poundland has CCTV covering every
inch of the store. Perhaps some of the vault customers might not want to
appear on CCTV, but if that were an objection it could probably be
overcome by only activating the CCTV when the place was closed for business.

--
Colin Bignell

On 10/04/2015 19:16, michael adams wrote:
"Scion" wrote in message ...
....
The BBC article says that an alarm monitoring company phoned the police. I
would be astonished, given the nature of the business, that the owners/
managers of the safe deposit company were not contacted as well.

This stinks to high heaven. Given all the planning involved it's difficult to believe
that
the robbers would have overlooked any of the alarms unless they could have been sure
that they'd get no response. ...

One way to be sure that there will be no response is to arrange for
several false alarms over the previous months.

--
Colin Bignell