Definitely not a DIY - but my "temporary" filling patching up a part
broken molar has just started failing. Not bad for 2 years, the dentist
expected it would fail sooner...

I guess it's time to get on with it.

He told me there are 2 types - a plastic crown which is quicker to fit
and a ceramic (?) proper one that is a 2 stage process.

My problem is, apart from hating dental work (though I'm OK once the
local jab has taken) I have an appalling gag reflex which makes it very
hard for him to work near the back of my mouth. So that's worrying me a
bit with the wax impression needed for a "proper" one.

Personally I'd rather be half out of it so he can take his time and do a
proper job, maybe fix a few other things too...


So does anyone know the relative merits of plastic crowns vs proper ones.

I'm guessing the plastic does not last so long? Or do they just wear down?


How are crowns fixed? Glue?

On 18/03/2015 19:34, Tim Watts wrote:
Definitely not a DIY - but my "temporary" filling patching up a part
broken molar has just started failing. Not bad for 2 years, the dentist
expected it would fail sooner...

I guess it's time to get on with it.

He told me there are 2 types - a plastic crown which is quicker to fit
and a ceramic (?) proper one that is a 2 stage process.

My problem is, apart from hating dental work (though I'm OK once the
local jab has taken) I have an appalling gag reflex which makes it very
hard for him to work near the back of my mouth. So that's worrying me a
bit with the wax impression needed for a "proper" one.

Personally I'd rather be half out of it so he can take his time and do a
proper job, maybe fix a few other things too...


So does anyone know the relative merits of plastic crowns vs proper ones.

I'm guessing the plastic does not last so long? Or do they just wear down?


How are crowns fixed? Glue?
Well if have just had a proper crown fall out, it lasted 25 years, I
doubt if a plastic one would, having it redone tomorrow :-(
Dentists are used to people gagging and freaking out just go for it.

Tim Watts wrote:

So does anyone know the relative merits of plastic crowns vs proper ones.

Dunno I wasn't offered plastic, I have ceramic on gold, no problems from
any of them (some are bridges, others are on implants) after 9 years, in
fact I wish I'd had the one tooth they filled at the same time crowned
instead, it crumbled last year.

How are crowns fixed? Glue?

I think they like to call it 'cement', but basically it's a specialised
glue able to withstand pretty high compression (and slightly lower tension).

In message , Andy
Burns writes
I think they like to call it 'cement', but basically it's a specialised
glue able to withstand pretty high compression (and slightly lower
tension).

Yesterday I did a tour of the family's houses with a piano tuner (you
get a better price when all 3 are done in the same session).

At one point the question of glue for ivory piano keys came up. I
described to him the tests I'd done for bone guitar nuts using superglue
mixed with baking powder, as recommended on the internet.
He seemed interested in trying it.

He had bought some specialised glue in the past that would glue bone and
ivory, and he said it was also used by dentists. He said it cost about
£31 for a small tube.

He used evostick to glue up the wood + felt damper on the piano that was
left in son 2's house.
--
Bill

Tim Watts wrote:
Definitely not a DIY - but my "temporary" filling patching up a part
broken molar has just started failing. Not bad for 2 years, the dentist
expected it would fail sooner...

I guess it's time to get on with it.

He told me there are 2 types - a plastic crown which is quicker to fit
and a ceramic (?) proper one that is a 2 stage process.

My problem is, apart from hating dental work (though I'm OK once the
local jab has taken) I have an appalling gag reflex which makes it very
hard for him to work near the back of my mouth. So that's worrying me a
bit with the wax impression needed for a "proper" one.

Personally I'd rather be half out of it so he can take his time and do a
proper job, maybe fix a few other things too...

It sounds like a sedative would be useful - either from the dentist or
your GP. Failing that, a bottle of good malt whisky. :-)

So does anyone know the relative merits of plastic crowns vs proper ones.

I'm guessing the plastic does not last so long? Or do they just wear down?

I've been offered plastic only as a temporary solution, for a few weeks.
They might well last longer than that but they surely won't last as long
as the real thing. My front teeth were crowned in 1974 and are as good
as new (which is more than you can say for the gums around them, but
that's another matter).

How are crowns fixed? Glue?

It's a cement which AIUI is designed to hold tight in normal use but let
go when the dentist wants to remove the crown to get at the tooth
underneath. ISTR that a hammer and/or pair of pincers are the tools of
choice.

There are stories of people who've refixed fallen-off crowns with
Araldite, and regretted it.

--
Mike Barnes
Cheshire, England

On 18/03/2015 20:23, Bill wrote:
In message , Andy
Burns writes
I think they like to call it 'cement', but basically it's a
specialised glue able to withstand pretty high compression (and
slightly lower tension).

Yesterday I did a tour of the family's houses with a piano tuner (you
get a better price when all 3 are done in the same session).

At one point the question of glue for ivory piano keys came up. I
described to him the tests I'd done for bone guitar nuts using superglue
mixed with baking powder, as recommended on the internet.
He seemed interested in trying it.

He had bought some specialised glue in the past that would glue bone and
ivory, and he said it was also used by dentists. He said it cost about
£31 for a small tube.

He used evostick to glue up the wood + felt damper on the piano that was
left in son 2's house.

I mend my guitar nuts with ground bone and superglue. Stronger than
mixing with baking powder.

Tim Watts wrote:
My problem is, apart from hating dental work (though I'm OK once the
local jab has taken) I have an appalling gag reflex which makes it
very hard for him to work near the back of my mouth. So that's
worrying me a bit with the wax impression needed for a "proper" one.


I have the same problem with the gag reflex. My first 2 crowns 15
years ago - both molars - were a pain in that respect. But I have had
one replaced and one new one done in the past 5 years without problem.
That was because new dentist said they no longer use the massive old
plates for taking an impression. Good to his word he used a much
smaller jobbie[1]. And the gunge[2] set faster too. So in your shoes
I'd talk to the dentist but probably go for the ceramic.

If you really, really don't like the thought of an impression being
taken you could look into CEREC (short for CERamic REconstruction).
That uses digital photos. But my dentist had only been to the
conference on it (in some exotic resort of course).

[1] possibly not the right jargon
[2] my excuse is that I wasn't in a position to take notes or check the
terminology!
--
Robin
reply to address is (meant to be) valid

On 18/03/15 20:08, ss wrote:


(General reply having read everything so far)

Wow. Lot of interest there! Thanks for the fine words - I'm sure it's
not that bad - just didn't bother as the magic white temporary was
holding pretty well (till now). My current dentist is a south african
(the best IME) and he has managed to do a root canal on me once - though
he needed a bugger of a lot of local anaesthetic - more than he thought.

He's a damn good bloke and used to southern jessies like me - but I
still do not look forward to going!

I did mention the sedative (if nothing else, just to let him work in
peace) thinking it was just a mild something...

Apparently it's a bit stronger than mild and it makes him want to do the
job at a different clinic and you have to get taken home by someone -
sounds like overkill.

I've found Meadowsweet tea helpful but sadly I have none left and I've
only found it in Wales.

Apart from having slightly crappy teeth, I blame the Butcher of Banstead
(sure he's dead now).

When I was at school, he just filled everything, I am sure half of it
was not necessary - and he was a fan of the "trench fill" which takes
out an awful lot of perfectly good tooth - so all my molars are metal.

On 18/03/2015 21:18, Tim Watts wrote:
Apart from having slightly crappy teeth, I blame the Butcher of Banstead
(sure he's dead now).

When I was at school, he just filled everything, I am sure half of it
was not necessary - and he was a fan of the "trench fill" which takes
out an awful lot of perfectly good tooth - so all my molars are metal.

Can't have been Banstead, I lived at the other end of Surrey.

It was only when I did stats at Uni that it occurred to me that there
was something fishy about always needing 1 filling from 20 independent
back teeth...

Andy

On Wednesday, 18 March 2015 20:58:01 UTC, Robin wrote:
Tim Watts wrote:
My problem is, apart from hating dental work (though I'm OK once the
local jab has taken) I have an appalling gag reflex which makes it
very hard for him to work near the back of my mouth. So that's
worrying me a bit with the wax impression needed for a "proper" one.


I have the same problem with the gag reflex. My first 2 crowns 15
years ago - both molars - were a pain in that respect. But I have had
one replaced and one new one done in the past 5 years without problem.
That was because new dentist said they no longer use the massive old
plates for taking an impression. Good to his word he used a much
smaller jobbie[1]. And the gunge[2] set faster too. So in your shoes
I'd talk to the dentist but probably go for the ceramic.

If you really, really don't like the thought of an impression being
taken you could look into CEREC (short for CERamic REconstruction).
That uses digital photos. But my dentist had only been to the
conference on it (in some exotic resort of course).

[1] possibly not the right jargon
[2] my excuse is that I wasn't in a position to take notes or check the
terminology!
--
Robin
reply to address is (meant to be) valid

If you are in Cambridge or Milton Keynes, my dentist (search for
Dental Hub) does CEREC crowns for £395 each. It's a fascinating
system - embedded PC to do the scanning (with a lovely GUI), and
then a CNC milling machine (to almost bring it back on topic)
to create the crown while you wait.

In article ,
Martin Bonner writes:
On Wednesday, 18 March 2015 20:58:01 UTC, Robin wrote:
If you really, really don't like the thought of an impression being
taken you could look into CEREC (short for CERamic REconstruction).
That uses digital photos. But my dentist had only been to the
conference on it (in some exotic resort of course).

If you are in Cambridge or Milton Keynes, my dentist (search for
Dental Hub) does CEREC crowns for £395 each. It's a fascinating
system - embedded PC to do the scanning (with a lovely GUI), and
then a CNC milling machine (to almost bring it back on topic)
to create the crown while you wait.

I still go to my original dentist in Dunstable, because he does these
while you wait. About the same price. I watched mine being milled.
After that, it gets a quick test in place, and then taken and fired
in a kiln to make the surface like smooth glass, and then glued in.
It takes a couple of hours, if you include the time for the milling
and firing, but you can wonder off for a coffee or walk around the
shops in the gaps (I was too interested in watching it being made;-).
You end up with perfect gaps between the teeth as well - just right
for flossing with a reasonably tight fit, something which my teeth
never had naturally.

The very first one I had done fell out at about 10 years old, but I
took it with me and he cleaned it up and glued it back in again, as
it was just glue failure, and not due to decay underneath.

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

"Tim Watts" wrote in message
...
Definitely not a DIY - but my "temporary" filling patching up a part
broken molar has just started failing. Not bad for 2 years, the dentist
expected it would fail sooner...

I guess it's time to get on with it.

He told me there are 2 types - a plastic crown which is quicker to fit and
a ceramic (?) proper one that is a 2 stage process.

My problem is, apart from hating dental work (though I'm OK once the local
jab has taken) I have an appalling gag reflex which makes it very hard for
him to work near the back of my mouth. So that's worrying me a bit with
the wax impression needed for a "proper" one.

Personally I'd rather be half out of it so he can take his time and do a
proper job, maybe fix a few other things too...


So does anyone know the relative merits of plastic crowns vs proper ones.

I'm guessing the plastic does not last so long? Or do they just wear down?


How are crowns fixed? Glue?

Re anaesthetic.
A small proportion of people don't wake up.
ie death.
This happened to my wife's best friend.
So nowadays an aneasthetist is present.
Which costs more & still some people die.
The aneasthetic/muscle relaxer leaves a samll amount of permanent damage to
your liver too.
So, best avoided if at all possible.

These women that have lots of cosmetic surgery are barking mad.

On 18/03/15 22:55, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article ,
Martin Bonner writes:
On Wednesday, 18 March 2015 20:58:01 UTC, Robin wrote:
If you really, really don't like the thought of an impression being
taken you could look into CEREC (short for CERamic REconstruction).
That uses digital photos. But my dentist had only been to the
conference on it (in some exotic resort of course).

If you are in Cambridge or Milton Keynes, my dentist (search for
Dental Hub) does CEREC crowns for £395 each. It's a fascinating
system - embedded PC to do the scanning (with a lovely GUI), and
then a CNC milling machine (to almost bring it back on topic)
to create the crown while you wait.

I still go to my original dentist in Dunstable, because he does these
while you wait. About the same price. I watched mine being milled.
After that, it gets a quick test in place, and then taken and fired
in a kiln to make the surface like smooth glass, and then glued in.
It takes a couple of hours, if you include the time for the milling
and firing, but you can wonder off for a coffee or walk around the
shops in the gaps (I was too interested in watching it being made;-).
You end up with perfect gaps between the teeth as well - just right
for flossing with a reasonably tight fit, something which my teeth
never had naturally.

The very first one I had done fell out at about 10 years old, but I
took it with me and he cleaned it up and glued it back in again, as
it was just glue failure, and not due to decay underneath.


Fascinating -

Mine does not have the milling equipment - but he's the only man I trust
in my mouth...

On 19/03/2015 06:52, harryagain wrote:
"Tim Watts" wrote in message
...
Definitely not a DIY - but my "temporary" filling patching up a part
broken molar has just started failing. Not bad for 2 years, the dentist
expected it would fail sooner...

I guess it's time to get on with it.

He told me there are 2 types - a plastic crown which is quicker to fit and
a ceramic (?) proper one that is a 2 stage process.

My problem is, apart from hating dental work (though I'm OK once the local
jab has taken) I have an appalling gag reflex which makes it very hard for
him to work near the back of my mouth. So that's worrying me a bit with
the wax impression needed for a "proper" one.

Personally I'd rather be half out of it so he can take his time and do a
proper job, maybe fix a few other things too...


So does anyone know the relative merits of plastic crowns vs proper ones.

I'm guessing the plastic does not last so long? Or do they just wear down?


How are crowns fixed? Glue?

Re anaesthetic.
A small proportion of people don't wake up.
ie death.
This happened to my wife's best friend.
So nowadays an aneasthetist is present.
Which costs more & still some people die.
The aneasthetic/muscle relaxer leaves a samll amount of permanent damage to
your liver too.
So, best avoided if at all possible.

These women that have lots of cosmetic surgery are barking mad.

You are a happy bunny Harry.

Assuming that the dentists will be using a general anaesthetic, rather
than the more probable moderate sedation, the risk of death is 1 in
200,000, or half the risk of being affected by a murder. The type of
surgery and the person's health are both factors in the risk; 1-2% of
patients undergoing cardiac artery surgery die under anaesthetic. A
healthy, reasonably fit, non-smoker has very little to fear from general
anaesthesia.


--
Colin Bignell

On 18/03/2015 19:34, Tim Watts wrote:
Definitely not a DIY - but my "temporary" filling patching up a part
broken molar has just started failing. Not bad for 2 years, the dentist
expected it would fail sooner...

I guess it's time to get on with it.

He told me there are 2 types - a plastic crown which is quicker to fit
and a ceramic (?) proper one that is a 2 stage process.

My problem is, apart from hating dental work (though I'm OK once the
local jab has taken) I have an appalling gag reflex which makes it very
hard for him to work near the back of my mouth. So that's worrying me a
bit with the wax impression needed for a "proper" one.

Personally I'd rather be half out of it so he can take his time and do a
proper job, maybe fix a few other things too...


So does anyone know the relative merits of plastic crowns vs proper ones.

I'm guessing the plastic does not last so long? Or do they just wear down?

I had always though that the plastic ones were only temporary. This page
gives a nice description of the various options for crowns, although I
dread to think what they charge for Zirconia crowns, if their prices
start at £700.

How are crowns fixed? Glue?

As others have said, usually dental cement, although one of mine
involved setting the adhesive with UV light.


--
Colin Bignell

Nightjar "cpb"@ insert my surname here.me.uk wrote:

Assuming that the dentists will be using a general anaesthetic, rather
than the more probable moderate sedation, the risk of death is 1 in
200,000, or half the risk of being affected by a murder. The type of
surgery and the person's health are both factors in the risk; 1-2% of
patients undergoing cardiac artery surgery die under anaesthetic. A
healthy, reasonably fit, non-smoker has very little to fear from general
anaesthesia.

AIUI, dentists used to be able to administer a general, of
whatever type, with very little control, but nowadays things are
much more tightly regulated. The aim is to ensure that a
qualified anaesthetist is on hand, reducing the chance of error,
and hopefully being able to cope better in the event of problems.

I can still smell the mask used to put us under for extractions
as a child - one of which apparently left me out for rather
longer than expected. Who knows what might have happened. That
particular dentist retired suddenly - it was either early onset
Alzheimer's, or he had been at his drugs cabinet.

Whilst at Quarry Bank Mill, I noticed the display included a
dentist chair. The articulated drilling arm was there, but the
whirring elastic belt had obviously perished. Vivid memories of
sitting in such a chair as the slow drill ground away at my
molars. Even the light - a cluster of four globes, was the same.

Chris
--
Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK


Plant amazing Acers.

On 19/03/2015 08:27, Chris J Dixon wrote:
....
AIUI, dentists used to be able to administer a general, of
whatever type, with very little control, but nowadays things are
much more tightly regulated. The aim is to ensure that a
qualified anaesthetist is on hand, reducing the chance of error,
and hopefully being able to cope better in the event of problems.

I can still smell the mask used to put us under for extractions
as a child

A mixture of the sweetness of the gas and the smell of rubber.

- one of which apparently left me out for rather
longer than expected. Who knows what might have happened....

I had that too, but that, apparently, was one of the problems with
nitrous oxide. Modern anaesthetics are a lot safer and more predictable.


--
Colin Bignell

On 19/03/2015 09:28, Nightjar "cpb"@ wrote:
On 19/03/2015 08:27, Chris J Dixon wrote:
...
AIUI, dentists used to be able to administer a general, of
whatever type, with very little control, but nowadays things are
much more tightly regulated. The aim is to ensure that a
qualified anaesthetist is on hand, reducing the chance of error,
and hopefully being able to cope better in the event of problems.

I can still smell the mask used to put us under for extractions
as a child

A mixture of the sweetness of the gas and the smell of rubber.

- one of which apparently left me out for rather
longer than expected. Who knows what might have happened....

I had that too, but that, apparently, was one of the problems with
nitrous oxide. Modern anaesthetics are a lot safer and more predictable.


I remember when I was about 10 years old, waking up half way through
having a couple of teeth out by gas. Bloody painful.

On 19/03/15 08:19, Nightjar "cpb"@ wrote:

I had always though that the plastic ones were only temporary. This page
gives a nice description of the various options for crowns, although I
dread to think what they charge for Zirconia crowns, if their prices
start at £700.

Zirconia? Wibble...

Perhaps I can go all "Jaws from Bond" with titanium?

In article ,
Nightjar cpb@ insert my surname here.me.uk wrote:
On 19/03/2015 08:27, Chris J Dixon wrote:
...
AIUI, dentists used to be able to administer a general, of
whatever type, with very little control, but nowadays things are
much more tightly regulated. The aim is to ensure that a
qualified anaesthetist is on hand, reducing the chance of error,
and hopefully being able to cope better in the event of problems.

I can still smell the mask used to put us under for extractions
as a child

A mixture of the sweetness of the gas and the smell of rubber.

- one of which apparently left me out for rather
longer than expected. Who knows what might have happened....

I had that too, but that, apparently, was one of the problems with
nitrous oxide. Modern anaesthetics are a lot safer and more predictable.

and modern, injected, local anaesthetics are far more efficient than they
used to be. 30 years ago I had to take 2 codeine tablets before the visit
and I was given a double dose of double strength and I still felt things.
Now it's only the smell of burning tooth that tells me something is
happening.

--
From KT24 in Surrey

Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18

On 19/03/2015 09:48, Tim Watts wrote:
On 19/03/15 08:19, Nightjar "cpb"@ wrote:

I had always though that the plastic ones were only temporary. This page
gives a nice description of the various options for crowns, although I
dread to think what they charge for Zirconia crowns, if their prices
start at £700.

Zirconia? Wibble...

Perhaps I can go all "Jaws from Bond" with titanium?


Strange that I recently had 2 crowns of some 40 years standing come
loose within a few weeks of each other. I can only assume some
fundamental change takes place in one's gob at a certain age, and
everything falls apart. The second crown I glued back with some stuff I
bought in the chemist. Very d-i-y, but probably not very permanent

In article ,
Chris J Dixon wrote:
AIUI, dentists used to be able to administer a general, of
whatever type, with very little control, but nowadays things are
much more tightly regulated. The aim is to ensure that a
qualified anaesthetist is on hand, reducing the chance of error,
and hopefully being able to cope better in the event of problems.

Remember having 'gas' as a kid some 60 years ago. Administered by an
anaesthetist. Who wasn't part of the practice, but was used by several, on
different days.

--
*If all the world is a stage, where is the audience sitting?

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
stuart noble wrote:
Strange that I recently had 2 crowns of some 40 years standing come
loose within a few weeks of each other. I can only assume some
fundamental change takes place in one's gob at a certain age, and
everything falls apart.

The 'glue' can just fail - usually when eating something very sticky like
toffee.

Or the tooth where the crown meets it rotting away.



The second crown I glued back with some stuff I
bought in the chemist. Very d-i-y, but probably not very permanent

No. Get it done properly. But it may not be possible. 40 years is a very
good life for a crown.

--
*Women who seek to be equal to men lack ambition.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
Nightjar "cpb"@ insert my surname here.me.uk writes:

As others have said, usually dental cement, although one of mine
involved setting the adhesive with UV light.

Quite a few different dental products are cured with UV light nowadays.
I think it started with the quartz/resin composite white fillings,
probably 30 or more years ago.

My dentist was explaining to me a while back that a key property which
is essential for all materials used in teeth is that they have to have
the same coefficient of thermal expansion and heat conduction as the
teeth themselves, or they would come apart when you took a mouthfull
of ice cream or hot coffee.

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

On 19/03/15 11:24, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Thu, 19 Mar 2015 10:47:35 +0000, stuart noble
wrote:

On 19/03/2015 09:48, Tim Watts wrote:
On 19/03/15 08:19, Nightjar "cpb"@ wrote:

I had always though that the plastic ones were only temporary. This page
gives a nice description of the various options for crowns, although I
dread to think what they charge for Zirconia crowns, if their prices
start at £700.

Zirconia? Wibble...

Perhaps I can go all "Jaws from Bond" with titanium?


Strange that I recently had 2 crowns of some 40 years standing come
loose within a few weeks of each other. I can only assume some
fundamental change takes place in one's gob at a certain age, and
everything falls apart. The second crown I glued back with some stuff I
bought in the chemist. Very d-i-y, but probably not very permanent

I had a large filling fall out a few years back and it wasn't
convenient to go the dentist immediately, so I used a little
waterproof plumbers epoxy repair putty. Did the biz for several
months, although the dentist wasn't impressed (miserable so-and-so)!

For the OP, some while ago, a relative had an endoscope put down their
throat for a stomach examination, and to reduce gagging the specialist
applied an anesthetic spray to the back of their mouth and throat. I'm
sure dentists are able to do something similar if requested. They must
meet the problem from time to time.

That's interesting.

Anyway - I can pick up the prescription for some valium tomorrow and
turn up for the deed on Monday. Only had vlaium once in my life but I
think it will do for me without a total zonk out.

As for crowns, go for gold. Being metal, it's much tougher than
porcelain so less likely to crack up, gums take to it better I
believe, and at the back of the mouth, they're not obvious. Mine were
the same price as porcelain. Don't know a lot about zirconia, but I
assume it's the yttria-zirconia composite often used in engineering
ceramics and sometimes caller 'ceramic steel'.

Just spoke to the surgery - they use zirconia too. It's not *much* more
expensive than what they call "composite" except the composite can be
tuned with grinding which is why they are less bothered about the
impression being perfect.

Oh well - this'll lighten the wallet. Along with the optician's visit on
Thursday when she's already told me it's varifocals time (I'm doing the
old man **** of taking my specs off every 5 mins to look at stuff close up).

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zirconium_dioxide and scroll down to
'Engineering properties'.

Tim Watts wrote:

Along with the optician's visit on
Thursday when she's already told me it's varifocals time (I'm doing the
old man **** of taking my specs off every 5 mins to look at stuff close up).

They're great until you try to work on ceilings. ;-)

Chris
--
Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK


Plant amazing Acers.

On 19/03/15 13:11, Chris J Dixon wrote:
Tim Watts wrote:

Along with the optician's visit on
Thursday when she's already told me it's varifocals time (I'm doing the
old man **** of taking my specs off every 5 mins to look at stuff close up).

They're great until you try to work on ceilings. ;-)

Chris



Maybe I can put them on upside down like that snooker bloke?

In article ,
Tim Watts wrote:
Anyway - I can pick up the prescription for some valium tomorrow and
turn up for the deed on Monday. Only had vlaium once in my life but I
think it will do for me without a total zonk out.

You'd probably do as well with a few stiff drinks. Actual effects are
similar. And you probably know any side effects of that.

--
*I don't suffer from insanity -- I'm a carrier

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 19/03/2015 10:47, stuart noble wrote:
....
Strange that I recently had 2 crowns of some 40 years standing come
loose within a few weeks of each other. I can only assume some
fundamental change takes place in one's gob at a certain age, and
everything falls apart. The second crown I glued back with some stuff I
bought in the chemist. Very d-i-y, but probably not very permanent

My partner had recurring problems with a temporary crown she had. I
found that the repair kits with pre-mixed cement were fairly useless,
but Toofypegs has a cement you need to mix with water and that worked
very well.


--
Colin Bignell

On 19/03/15 14:07, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Tim Watts wrote:
Anyway - I can pick up the prescription for some valium tomorrow and
turn up for the deed on Monday. Only had vlaium once in my life but I
think it will do for me without a total zonk out.

You'd probably do as well with a few stiff drinks. Actual effects are
similar. And you probably know any side effects of that.


Possibly - only I don;t think the dentist would like it as his chart of
"blah injection is compatible with Y drug" probably does not include
alcohol

It's his valium prescription - I'm happy to go with that...

On 19/03/2015 14:40, Tim Watts wrote:
....
It's his valium prescription - I'm happy to go with that...

You should be very happy once you've taken it :-)

--
Colin Bignell

On 19/03/2015 14:30, Nightjar "cpb"@ wrote:
On 19/03/2015 10:47, stuart noble wrote:
...
Strange that I recently had 2 crowns of some 40 years standing come
loose within a few weeks of each other. I can only assume some
fundamental change takes place in one's gob at a certain age, and
everything falls apart. The second crown I glued back with some stuff I
bought in the chemist. Very d-i-y, but probably not very permanent

My partner had recurring problems with a temporary crown she had. I
found that the repair kits with pre-mixed cement were fairly useless,
but Toofypegs has a cement you need to mix with water and that worked
very well.



Not the easiest stuff to use. "Mix it with one drip of water and use
immediately" the instructions say. Certainly goes off quickly

On 19/03/15 15:26, Nightjar "cpb"@ wrote:
On 19/03/2015 14:40, Tim Watts wrote:
...
It's his valium prescription - I'm happy to go with that...

You should be very happy once you've taken it :-)


I do hope so...

Failing that a timely spliff from the local weed farmer

On 19/03/15 15:34, stuart noble wrote:
On 19/03/2015 14:30, Nightjar "cpb"@ wrote:
On 19/03/2015 10:47, stuart noble wrote:
...
Strange that I recently had 2 crowns of some 40 years standing come
loose within a few weeks of each other. I can only assume some
fundamental change takes place in one's gob at a certain age, and
everything falls apart. The second crown I glued back with some stuff I
bought in the chemist. Very d-i-y, but probably not very permanent

My partner had recurring problems with a temporary crown she had. I
found that the repair kits with pre-mixed cement were fairly useless,
but Toofypegs has a cement you need to mix with water and that worked
very well.



Not the easiest stuff to use. "Mix it with one drip of water and use
immediately" the instructions say. Certainly goes off quickly

Wouldn't a real man use a hot glue gun?

Or a Paslode nailer?

On 19/03/15 15:26, Nightjar "cpb"@ wrote:
On 19/03/2015 14:40, Tim Watts wrote:
...
It's his valium prescription - I'm happy to go with that...

You should be very happy once you've taken it :-)



This is my worldview of going to the dentist:

http://rosaliegilbert.com/oralcare/1...try_france.jpg

This is my worldview of going to the dentist:

http://rosaliegilbert.com/oralcare/1...try_france.jpg

Things have come on a lot since then. Keep your chin up and you'll be
fine, as the specialist who did my root canal shared with me with
http://mikerendell.com/wp-content/up...t-on-chest.jpg
--
Robin
reply to address is (meant to be) valid

On 18/03/2015 22:55, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article ,
Martin Bonner writes:
On Wednesday, 18 March 2015 20:58:01 UTC, Robin wrote:
If you really, really don't like the thought of an impression being
taken you could look into CEREC (short for CERamic REconstruction).
That uses digital photos. But my dentist had only been to the
conference on it (in some exotic resort of course).
If you are in Cambridge or Milton Keynes, my dentist (search for
Dental Hub) does CEREC crowns for £395 each. It's a fascinating
system - embedded PC to do the scanning (with a lovely GUI), and
then a CNC milling machine (to almost bring it back on topic)
to create the crown while you wait.
I still go to my original dentist in Dunstable, because he does these
while you wait. About the same price. I watched mine being milled.
After that, it gets a quick test in place, and then taken and fired
in a kiln to make the surface like smooth glass, and then glued in.
It takes a couple of hours, if you include the time for the milling
and firing, but you can wonder off for a coffee or walk around the
shops in the gaps (I was too interested in watching it being made;-).
You end up with perfect gaps between the teeth as well - just right
for flossing with a reasonably tight fit, something which my teeth
never had naturally.

The very first one I had done fell out at about 10 years old, but I
took it with me and he cleaned it up and glued it back in again, as
it was just glue failure, and not due to decay underneath.

As I live in Dunstable and could do with a decent dentist pray tell
where the practice is Andrew.

Robin wrote:

Things have come on a lot since then. Keep your chin up and you'll be
fine, as the specialist who did my root canal shared with me with
http://mikerendell.com/wp-content/up...t-on-chest.jpg

My dad told me that one of his forebears could remember when the
tooth puller came round with the fair, and the band might have
played a little louder to drown out any cries of pain.

Chris
--
Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK


Plant amazing Acers.

In article ,
Corporal Jones writes:
As I live in Dunstable and could do with a decent dentist pray tell
where the practice is Andrew.

http://www.friarswalkdentalpractice.com/
Didn't know they had a website until I just looked them up to
get the exact address. Tell them I recommended them to you!

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

In article ,
"Robin" writes:
This is my worldview of going to the dentist:

http://rosaliegilbert.com/oralcare/1...try_france.jpg

Things have come on a lot since then. Keep your chin up and you'll be
fine, as the specialist who did my root canal shared with me with
http://mikerendell.com/wp-content/up...t-on-chest.jpg

Had a work colleague many years ago who was extremely squeamish;
if the office conversation even momentarily mentioned blood or
injuries, you would notice he'd suddenly vanished from the room.

Anyway, he got to the point where he absolutely had to get some
dentistry work done. He reappeared later in the day, rather quiet.
Apparently some sort of fight broke out when the dentist attempted
to use the local anesthetic syringe, resulting in the dentist
stabbing himself in the back of the hand with the needle. After
that, he refused to treat the guy.

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]