Are these programmes triggered if you simply delete the email without
opening it?

On Thu, 05 Mar 2015 08:57:52 +0000, Broadback wrote:

Are these programmes triggered if you simply delete the email without
opening it?

Depends entirely on how you have your mail client configured. I have mine
configured to never send a read-receipt, even when I read the email.

There are obviously some which send out the pretty useless email I see a
lot.
This email was deleted without being red on xx/xx/xx
Which the user seems totally unaware of, as I have called them on it
several times pointing out how rude it was.
Brian

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On Thu, 05 Mar 2015 08:57:52 +0000, Broadback wrote:

Are these programmes triggered if you simply delete the email without
opening it?

Depends entirely on how you have your mail client configured. I have mine
configured to never send a read-receipt, even when I read the email.

Brian Gaff wrote

There are obviously some which send out the pretty useless email I see a
lot.

This email was deleted without being red on xx/xx/xx

Can't say I have ever seen that, but I don’t run any mailing lists.

Which the user seems totally unaware of, as I have called them on it
several times pointing out how rude it was.

I don’t see it as rude at all, useful information if you care
about whether the email was read or not or got to where
it is supposed to go.

Do you remember which system sends those emails ?

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On Thu, 05 Mar 2015 08:57:52 +0000, Broadback wrote:

Are these programmes triggered if you simply delete the email without
opening it?

Depends entirely on how you have your mail client configured. I have mine
configured to never send a read-receipt, even when I read the email.

On 06/03/2015 19:45, Rod Speed wrote:
Brian Gaff wrote

There are obviously some which send out the pretty useless email I see
a lot.

This email was deleted without being red on xx/xx/xx

Can't say I have ever seen that, but I don’t run any mailing lists.

Which the user seems totally unaware of, as I have called them on it
several times pointing out how rude it was.

I don’t see it as rude at all, useful information if you care
about whether the email was read or not or got to where
it is supposed to go.

Do you remember which system sends those emails ?

Our works Outlook server system used to do that by default (I seem to
remember that you could get into the settings and turn off "send read
receipts" - but most people never bothered. The system also told lies,
since if the mail was short enough to be read in the preview window
without properly "opening" it then the "your message was deleted unread"
was sent out.



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On 07/03/15 09:18, CB wrote:
On 06/03/2015 19:45, Rod Speed wrote:
Brian Gaff wrote

There are obviously some which send out the pretty useless email I see
a lot.

This email was deleted without being red on xx/xx/xx

Can't say I have ever seen that, but I dont run any mailing lists.

Which the user seems totally unaware of, as I have called them on it
several times pointing out how rude it was.

I dont see it as rude at all, useful information if you care
about whether the email was read or not or got to where
it is supposed to go.

Do you remember which system sends those emails ?

Our works Outlook server system used to do that by default (I seem to
remember that you could get into the settings and turn off "send read
receipts" - but most people never bothered. The system also told lies,
since if the mail was short enough to be read in the preview window
without properly "opening" it then the "your message was deleted unread"
was sent out.



Outlook and Exchange were IIRC designed originally as X400 email systems
before the Internet was widely adopted and in X400 the ability to
reliably determine if email has arrived and been read was part of the
ghastly bureaucratic specification.

It was natural for them to cast around for a mechanism to introduce that
concept into IP based mail which they regarded as a 'bridge between
proper mail systems' so that one exchange server talking to another over
TCP/IP could preserve the X400 integrity.



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rare story of which you happen to have first-hand knowledge. €“ Erwin Knoll

On 07/03/2015 09:18, CB wrote:
On 06/03/2015 19:45, Rod Speed wrote:
Brian Gaff wrote

There are obviously some which send out the pretty useless email I see
a lot.

This email was deleted without being red on xx/xx/xx

Can't say I have ever seen that, but I don’t run any mailing lists.

Which the user seems totally unaware of, as I have called them on it
several times pointing out how rude it was.

I don’t see it as rude at all, useful information if you care
about whether the email was read or not or got to where
it is supposed to go.

Do you remember which system sends those emails ?

Our works Outlook server system used to do that by default (I seem to
remember that you could get into the settings and turn off "send read
receipts" - but most people never bothered. The system also told lies,
since if the mail was short enough to be read in the preview window
without properly "opening" it then the "your message was deleted unread"
was sent out.



What I have still never understood is the handling of these read
receipts when they get back to the sender. They sit there as a separate
email - even if in the same thread. Why they don't simply make a visible
distinction (e.g. some sort of 1/2/3/.../all intended recipients have a)
received; b) read the email, I do not know.

Not to get away from the fact that I hate read receipts. What right has
someone to know that I was reading their email at 03:30 because I
couldn't sleep? They also make less and less sense as distribution of
the email is often not to a single location but often some rule on the
server adds recipients.

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Rod

On 05/03/15 08:57, Broadback wrote:
Are these programmes triggered if you simply delete the email without
opening it?

Client dependent but normally not.


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rare story of which you happen to have first-hand knowledge. €“ Erwin Knoll

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The Natural Philosopher writes:
On 05/03/15 08:57, Broadback wrote:
Are these programmes triggered if you simply delete the email without
opening it?

Client dependent but normally not.

I think most people turn it off completely - I do.
ISTR thunderbird used to instantly produce a pop-up over the message
asking if it was OK to send the read notification, preventing you from
reading it until after you had sent the read notification, so I always
said cancel at that point anyway, as I hadn't read it. They've probably
fixed that by now.

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On 05/03/15 11:37, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher writes:
On 05/03/15 08:57, Broadback wrote:
Are these programmes triggered if you simply delete the email without
opening it?

Client dependent but normally not.

I think most people turn it off completely - I do.
ISTR thunderbird used to instantly produce a pop-up over the message
asking if it was OK to send the read notification, preventing you from
reading it until after you had sent the read notification, so I always
said cancel at that point anyway, as I hadn't read it. They've probably
fixed that by now.

These days it allows you the option to send it, not send it or have a
pop up request.


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Everything you read in newspapers is absolutely true, except for the
rare story of which you happen to have first-hand knowledge. €“ Erwin Knoll

Broadback wrote:
Are these programmes triggered if you simply delete the email without
opening it?

Does anyone actually still use or rely on Read Receipts?

The modern idiom used by junk mail types is to embed an image with a
unique ID as its filename. The webserver can then process the request to
identify the receiver and tag it as a valid email address. This is why
most email clients now block image loading automagically.

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Broadback wrote

Are these programmes triggered if you simply delete the email without
opening it?

That obviously varys with the client you use or what you read the mail with.

There is no read notification with the best of them if the email is deleted.

And there is no read notification with most of them when the email is read
either.