Has anyone any experience of these? Any recommendations? Do they do what it says on the tin or are they just a waste of money?

Keith

On 22/12/2014 09:48, Huge wrote:
On 2014-12-22, Keefiedee wrote:
Has anyone any experience of these? Any recommendations? Do they do what it says on the tin or are they just a waste of money?

Stupid waste of money. I want a proper shower, hence have soup-plate sized
pumped shower heads. I do not regard having a gnat wee on one's head as a
"shower".


Assuming you do not have a plate on your head, just an ordinary shower
head then yes. I have a shower via a combi, the result of fitting on of
these is a definite increase in pressure. As I have never measured the
water flow I cannot say about the economy side.

On 22/12/2014 08:58, Keefiedee wrote:

Has anyone any experience of these? Any recommendations? Do they do
what it says on the tin or are they just a waste of money?

I used one once (to cope with a hot water system where the mains cold
cistern would drain faster than it refilled - resulting an a shower
ending in a scalding!)

It still gave a substantial flow and pressure, but in a slightly more
focussed cone of water, and with no jets in the interior of the cone. It
was actually not bad - far better than a gnat's pee style electric
shower for example. It reduced the rate of usage to the point the 1/2"
incomer could keep up with the use rate. (it also had a number of
pressure reducing discs you could fit if you were after more reduction -
I did not bother with those).


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Thanks John for your thoughtful comments. The shower in question hasn't really sufficient head, and I wondered if one of these gadgets would make it feel stronger than it really is

Can I ask which shower head you went for.

Keith

Keefiedee wrote:
Thanks John for your thoughtful comments. The shower in question hasn't
really sufficient head, and I wondered if one of these gadgets would make
it feel stronger than it really is

Can I ask which shower head you went for.

Keith

Head? You mean you have an open vented system with CW header tank etc.? If
that's the case I think you will be disappointed.

Tim

Yes, a good old fashioned open vented system with CW header tank not really (well only just) high enough above the rafters. I don't understand why that would be unlikely to be helped by an eco shower head, but it is very useful to know - thank you.

Keith

On 22/12/2014 08:58, Keefiedee wrote:
Has anyone any experience of these? Any recommendations? Do they do what it says on the tin or are they just a waste of money?

Yes.
Bought a Mira Eco 3 spray water saving something or other a long time
ago. Main reason was to reduce flow rate to enable 2 showers to run at
the same time from the combi. Had to fit the pressure/flow reducer into
the pipe to stop the thing vibrating but once fitted it's fine. 3
settings but only ever use one. The aerated water flows over your skin
rather than bouncing off.

Certainly wouldn't pay close to £50 for one though. Think I found it for
less than £20 on-line. Would definitely buy another for the other
bathroom if I ever get it finished or should I say started..

On 22/12/2014 17:20, John Rumm wrote:

It still gave a substantial flow and pressure, but in a slightly more
focussed cone of water, and with no jets in the interior of the cone. It
was actually not bad - far better than a gnat's pee style electric
shower for example. It reduced the rate of usage to the point the 1/2"
incomer could keep up with the use rate. (it also had a number of
pressure reducing discs you could fit if you were after more reduction -
I did not bother with those).

I had to fit the smallest IIRC disc as the water pulsated causing bad
pipe vibrations. No problem once fitted though.
(running mains pressure from combi)

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Keefiedee writes:
Yes, a good old fashioned open vented system with CW header tank not really (well only just) high enough above the rafters. I don't understand why that would be unlikely to be helped by an eco shower head, but it is very useful to know - thank you.

Eco shower is really to solve almost the opposite problem - pressure
so high, that it results higher than needed flow rate.

You may want to try a low pressure shower head, which will give higher
flow, but you can't get the sensation of the water jets drilling into
you with a low pressure shower.

Some years ago, I bought Mira no scaling shower heads. They came with
interchangable plates to swap for high or low pressure shower feed.
The holes in the plate were a different size.

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On 22/12/2014 08:58, Keefiedee wrote:
Has anyone any experience of these? Any recommendations? Do they do what it says on the tin or are they just a waste of money?

Keith

We have a pumped shower (for the moment)with a very low head from the
tank that feeds both hot and cold, and when the shower hose fitting
split, I replaced the hose and head. Only when I got it home did I
realise it was badged 'eco' or I probably wouldn't have bought it.

Now, we have to take the shower, we have to take the shower head off and
hold it a few feet lower to get enough flow going to spark up the flow
switch in the pump (after which it's OK).

Clearly the pressure is insufficient to drive enough flow through the
setup to activate the switch. Unless you have aan excess of
pressure/flow, don't bother.

Alternatively, you're very welcome to have mine, if I can only remember
to pick up a new, non-eco one....

On 22/12/2014 18:34, Keefiedee wrote:
Yes, a good old fashioned open vented system with CW header tank not really (well only just) high enough above the rafters. I don't understand why that would be unlikely to be helped by an eco shower head, but it is very useful to know - thank you.

In a previous house, I improved this by raising the header tank about
5ft, supported by a sturdy timber frame (with useful shelving
underneath). It's easier to start again with a new header tank, but it
isn't a difficult project.

On 22/12/2014 17:34, Keefiedee wrote:

Thanks John for your thoughtful comments. The shower in question
hasn't really sufficient head, and I wondered if one of these gadgets
would make it feel stronger than it really is

Alas probably not - you would need a pump for that.

Can I ask which shower head you went for.

Alas can't recall (was about 10 years ago). Came in a small box with the
head - which was about 40mm wide, cylindrical and about 50mm tall, and
various couplings etc to join it to a fixed outlet (none of which I
needed - the basic 1/2" BSP female swivel fitted my shower)

A google image search turns up this, which looks similar - but not a UK
supplier that I can see:

http://eartheasy.com/eco-luxury-low-...-0-1-3-1-5-gpm




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On 23/12/2014 00:44, Steve Walker wrote:
On 22/12/2014 18:34, Keefiedee wrote:
Yes, a good old fashioned open vented system with CW header tank not
really (well only just) high enough above the rafters. I don't
understand why that would be unlikely to be helped by an eco shower
head, but it is very useful to know - thank you.

In a previous house, I improved this by raising the header tank about
5ft, supported by a sturdy timber frame (with useful shelving
underneath). It's easier to start again with a new header tank, but it
isn't a difficult project.

In this house I improved it by ditching the standard hot water cylinder
and fitting an unvented one. Awesome shower now ;-)


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John.

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On 23/12/2014 04:09, John Rumm wrote:

In this house I improved it by ditching the standard hot water cylinder
and fitting an unvented one. Awesome shower now ;-)



Bit off a pain when someone empties all 120+l of hot water having a shower.

On 23/12/2014 11:41, Dennis@home wrote:
On 23/12/2014 04:09, John Rumm wrote:

In this house I improved it by ditching the standard hot water cylinder
and fitting an unvented one. Awesome shower now ;-)



Bit off a pain when someone empties all 120+l of hot water having a shower.

Its 210L and I have the boiler set to kick in as it senses the tank temp
start to fall (and the thermister is in a pocket about 1/4 of the way up
the cylinder).

So for a "normal" shower, its pretty much fully recovered by the time
someone else wants one. It could in theory go on indefinitely if you
kept the flow rate down to something that uses less than about 22kW
(which is the max recharge rate of the cylinder).

However if you want a nice long blast, with the flow rate set to
"flail", and the temp set to "just under volcano", then you do run run
out of hot water in the end ;-) (DAMHIK)

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