I've been very impressed with Wago boxes & lever connectors [1] so
far, but on the TLC website I've only seen the one kind of box, which
takes T&E (or similar). Is there any reason not to use the Wago lever
connectors inside a bog standard 3-way conduit box [2]?

Thanks,
Adam



[1]
http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/WA413.html

[2]
http://www.wickes.co.uk/Wickes-3-Way-Tee-Junction-Box-White-25mm/p/109682

Adam Funk wrote:

Is there any reason not to use the Wago lever connectors
inside a bog standard 3-way conduit box

Lack of strain relief, perhaps?

On 25/10/14 21:58, Adam Funk wrote:
I've been very impressed with Wago boxes & lever connectors [1] so
far, but on the TLC website I've only seen the one kind of box, which
takes T&E (or similar). Is there any reason not to use the Wago lever
connectors inside a bog standard 3-way conduit box [2]?

Thanks,
Adam



[1]
http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/WA413.html

[2]
http://www.wickes.co.uk/Wickes-3-Way-Tee-Junction-Box-White-25mm/p/109682



Absolutely fine - it's one if their intended uses:

As long as you meet the requirements for cable support (ie clipped just
outside or glanded in or restrained some other way).

Treat it the same as sticking a terminal strip in a box.

Here are some supportive pics:


(Glanded flex)

http://www.conrad-electronic.co.uk/m...B.EPS_1000.jpg


(General purpose)

http://www.conrad.de/medias/global/c...B.EPS_1000.jpg

http://toolguyd.com/blog/wp-content/...nction-Box.jpg



This box is interesting - seems to have some clips to hold the wagos in:

http://www.dmaeuropa.com/Portals/24/...G1_MidSize.jpg


On the subject of clipping the wagos down, it's not necessary - see page
8 in the manufacturer's leaflet:

http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Technica...Wago_Guide.pdf

Q "Do they need to be fixed in an enclosure?"

A "The junction box connectors do not have to be fixed down in the
housing provided that the cables are secured on their way into the box.
However, fixing provides a more secure and professional looking finish..."

I'll be using Wagos in various boxes for my lighting junction boxes.

On 25/10/14 22:09, Andy Burns wrote:
Adam Funk wrote:

Is there any reason not to use the Wago lever connectors
inside a bog standard 3-way conduit box

Lack of strain relief, perhaps?


I take the view that they should be treated as you would a terminal
strip - with the exception that Wagos are rated maintenance free and
this *could* be installed in inaccessible locations.

On 2014-10-25, Tim Watts wrote:

On 25/10/14 21:58, Adam Funk wrote:
I've been very impressed with Wago boxes & lever connectors [1] so
far, but on the TLC website I've only seen the one kind of box, which
takes T&E (or similar). Is there any reason not to use the Wago lever
connectors inside a bog standard 3-way conduit box [2]?

Absolutely fine - it's one if their intended uses:

As long as you meet the requirements for cable support (ie clipped just
outside or glanded in or restrained some other way).

Treat it the same as sticking a terminal strip in a box.

That's just what I had in mind (& forgot to type).


Here are some supportive pics:


(Glanded flex)

http://www.conrad-electronic.co.uk/m...B.EPS_1000.jpg

What am I missing? I don't see the glands in that picture (it looks
like holes that the flex just squeezes through).


This box is interesting - seems to have some clips to hold the wagos in:

http://www.dmaeuropa.com/Portals/24/...G1_MidSize.jpg

Neat!


On the subject of clipping the wagos down, it's not necessary - see page
8 in the manufacturer's leaflet:

http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Technica...Wago_Guide.pdf

Q "Do they need to be fixed in an enclosure?"

A "The junction box connectors do not have to be fixed down in the
housing provided that the cables are secured on their way into the box.
However, fixing provides a more secure and professional looking finish..."

Thanks.

On 27/10/14 21:58, Adam Funk wrote:
On 2014-10-25, Tim Watts wrote:

On 25/10/14 21:58, Adam Funk wrote:
I've been very impressed with Wago boxes & lever connectors [1] so
far, but on the TLC website I've only seen the one kind of box, which
takes T&E (or similar). Is there any reason not to use the Wago lever
connectors inside a bog standard 3-way conduit box [2]?

Absolutely fine - it's one if their intended uses:

As long as you meet the requirements for cable support (ie clipped just
outside or glanded in or restrained some other way).

Treat it the same as sticking a terminal strip in a box.

That's just what I had in mind (& forgot to type).


Here are some supportive pics:


(Glanded flex)

http://www.conrad-electronic.co.uk/m...B.EPS_1000.jpg

What am I missing? I don't see the glands in that picture (it looks
like holes that the flex just squeezes through).

It would be assumed that the cable would be clipped or tie wrapped down
near the box.


This box is interesting - seems to have some clips to hold the wagos in:

http://www.dmaeuropa.com/Portals/24/...G1_MidSize.jpg

Neat!


On the subject of clipping the wagos down, it's not necessary - see page
8 in the manufacturer's leaflet:

http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Technica...Wago_Guide.pdf

Q "Do they need to be fixed in an enclosure?"

A "The junction box connectors do not have to be fixed down in the
housing provided that the cables are secured on their way into the box.
However, fixing provides a more secure and professional looking finish..."

Thanks.

On 2014-10-27, Tim Watts wrote:

On 27/10/14 21:58, Adam Funk wrote:
On 2014-10-25, Tim Watts wrote:

On 25/10/14 21:58, Adam Funk wrote:
I've been very impressed with Wago boxes & lever connectors [1] so
far, but on the TLC website I've only seen the one kind of box, which
takes T&E (or similar). Is there any reason not to use the Wago lever
connectors inside a bog standard 3-way conduit box [2]?

Absolutely fine - it's one if their intended uses:

As long as you meet the requirements for cable support (ie clipped just
outside or glanded in or restrained some other way).

Treat it the same as sticking a terminal strip in a box.

That's just what I had in mind (& forgot to type).


Here are some supportive pics:


(Glanded flex)

http://www.conrad-electronic.co.uk/m...B.EPS_1000.jpg

What am I missing? I don't see the glands in that picture (it looks
like holes that the flex just squeezes through).

It would be assumed that the cable would be clipped or tie wrapped down
near the box.

Fair enough, but I wasn't sure about "glanded".

On 28/10/14 10:03, Adam Funk wrote:

What am I missing? I don't see the glands in that picture (it looks
like holes that the flex just squeezes through).

It would be assumed that the cable would be clipped or tie wrapped down
near the box.

Fair enough, but I wasn't sure about "glanded".


Those membrane grands are OK for IP protection but not for cable restraint.

Proper glands with lock nuts achieve both.

On 2014-10-28, Tim Watts wrote:

On 28/10/14 10:03, Adam Funk wrote:

What am I missing? I don't see the glands in that picture (it looks
like holes that the flex just squeezes through).

It would be assumed that the cable would be clipped or tie wrapped down
near the box.

Fair enough, but I wasn't sure about "glanded".


Those membrane grands are OK for IP protection but not for cable restraint.

Proper glands with lock nuts achieve both.

Ah, OK. I couldn't see anything in the photo that looked like
"glands" to me --- I was looking for what you call "proper glands".

"Andy Burns" wrote in message
o.uk...
Adam Funk wrote:

Is there any reason not to use the Wago lever connectors
inside a bog standard 3-way conduit box

Lack of strain relief, perhaps?


http://www.hager.co.uk/files/downloa...tion_Boxes.pdf

explains it all. And I would say that the IP20 rating of a conduit box is
only just met when a T&E is shoved inside one of the holes.



--
Adam

On 28/10/14 19:30, ARW wrote:
"Andy Burns" wrote in message
o.uk...
Adam Funk wrote:

Is there any reason not to use the Wago lever connectors
inside a bog standard 3-way conduit box

Lack of strain relief, perhaps?


http://www.hager.co.uk/files/downloa...tion_Boxes.pdf


explains it all. And I would say that the IP20 rating of a conduit box
is only just met when a T&E is shoved inside one of the holes.




And you see the push-fit connectors in the Hager-Ashley JB - pretty sure
those are actually Wago's product...

On 28/10/14 19:43, Tim Watts wrote:
On 28/10/14 19:30, ARW wrote:
"Andy Burns" wrote in message
o.uk...
Adam Funk wrote:

Is there any reason not to use the Wago lever connectors
inside a bog standard 3-way conduit box

Lack of strain relief, perhaps?


http://www.hager.co.uk/files/downloa...tion_Boxes.pdf



explains it all. And I would say that the IP20 rating of a conduit box
is only just met when a T&E is shoved inside one of the holes.




And you see the push-fit connectors in the Hager-Ashley JB - pretty sure
those are actually Wago's product...

But wouldn't it be nice if they made a big boxy version of that - say
4-5" square with 12 entries each with knockouts and strain relief as a
general purpose terminal box.

On 2014-10-28, ARW wrote:

"Andy Burns" wrote in message
o.uk...
Adam Funk wrote:

Is there any reason not to use the Wago lever connectors
inside a bog standard 3-way conduit box

Lack of strain relief, perhaps?


http://www.hager.co.uk/files/downloa...tion_Boxes.pdf

explains it all. And I would say that the IP20 rating of a conduit box is
only just met when a T&E is shoved inside one of the holes.

I meant a conduit box *with conduit connected to it*. Why would
anyone use a conduit box without conduit? (Well, I guess if it's the
only kind you have in stock...)

In message , Adam Funk
writes
On 2014-10-28, ARW wrote:

"Andy Burns" wrote in message
o.uk...
Adam Funk wrote:

Is there any reason not to use the Wago lever connectors
inside a bog standard 3-way conduit box

Lack of strain relief, perhaps?


http://www.hager.co.uk/files/downloa...tion_Boxes.pdf

explains it all. And I would say that the IP20 rating of a conduit box is
only just met when a T&E is shoved inside one of the holes.

I meant a conduit box *with conduit connected to it*. Why would
anyone use a conduit box without conduit? (Well, I guess if it's the
only kind you have in stock...)

I've used them in a wall as a back box for wall lights.
--
Chris French

"Adam Funk" wrote in message
...
On 2014-10-28, ARW wrote:

"Andy Burns" wrote in message
o.uk...
Adam Funk wrote:

Is there any reason not to use the Wago lever connectors
inside a bog standard 3-way conduit box

Lack of strain relief, perhaps?


http://www.hager.co.uk/files/downloa...tion_Boxes.pdf

explains it all. And I would say that the IP20 rating of a conduit box is
only just met when a T&E is shoved inside one of the holes.

I meant a conduit box *with conduit connected to it*. Why would
anyone use a conduit box without conduit? (Well, I guess if it's the
only kind you have in stock...)


Klik lighting?

--
Adam

On 2014-11-04, ARW wrote:

"Adam Funk" wrote in message
...
On 2014-10-28, ARW wrote:

"Andy Burns" wrote in message
o.uk...
Adam Funk wrote:

Is there any reason not to use the Wago lever connectors
inside a bog standard 3-way conduit box

Lack of strain relief, perhaps?


http://www.hager.co.uk/files/downloa...tion_Boxes.pdf

explains it all. And I would say that the IP20 rating of a conduit box is
only just met when a T&E is shoved inside one of the holes.

I meant a conduit box *with conduit connected to it*. Why would
anyone use a conduit box without conduit? (Well, I guess if it's the
only kind you have in stock...)


Klik lighting?

Fair point.