Further to my previous query about microbore, here's a related one...

There is only one realistic position for the living room radiator - below
the window - and SWMBO has warned me that in the newly refurbished and
reorganised room there is likely to be a requirement not only for long
curtains (ie hanging in front of the radiator) but also a sofa pushed back
against said radiator.

Following my somewhat less than positive reaction to this proposed plan
("are you completely nuts?") Google has now told her all about heated
skirting board systems, notably www.thermaskirt.com. Looks essentially
like lengths of microbore running behind uPVC profile skirting.

Now, I wouldn't be totally averse to this providing it's reliable and up to
the job, etc but I've never come across it before. Anyone have any
experience of this sort of thing?

--
David

"Lobster" wrote in message
. 222...

Further to my previous query about microbore, here's a related one...

There is only one realistic position for the living room radiator - below
the window - and SWMBO has warned me that in the newly refurbished and
reorganised room there is likely to be a requirement not only for long
curtains (ie hanging in front of the radiator) but also a sofa pushed back
against said radiator.

Following my somewhat less than positive reaction to this proposed plan
("are you completely nuts?") Google has now told her all about heated
skirting board systems, notably www.thermaskirt.com. Looks essentially
like lengths of microbore running behind uPVC profile skirting.

Now, I wouldn't be totally averse to this providing it's reliable and up to
the job, etc but I've never come across it before. Anyone have any
experience of this sort of thing?

Yes. The problem was solved by politely convincing her in the error of her
ways.
Good luck - YMMV

In article ,
Lobster writes:
Further to my previous query about microbore, here's a related one...

There is only one realistic position for the living room radiator - below
the window - and SWMBO has warned me that in the newly refurbished and
reorganised room there is likely to be a requirement not only for long
curtains (ie hanging in front of the radiator) but also a sofa pushed back
against said radiator.

Following my somewhat less than positive reaction to this proposed plan
("are you completely nuts?") Google has now told her all about heated
skirting board systems, notably www.thermaskirt.com. Looks essentially
like lengths of microbore running behind uPVC profile skirting.

Now, I wouldn't be totally averse to this providing it's reliable and up to
the job, etc but I've never come across it before. Anyone have any
experience of this sort of thing?

Most likely problem is that you won't get anywhere near enough heat out
of them when you do the calculations, particularly at optimal condensing
boiler temperatures.

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

In article ,
Lobster wrote:
Following my somewhat less than positive reaction to this proposed plan
("are you completely nuts?") Google has now told her all about heated
skirting board systems, notably www.thermaskirt.com. Looks essentially
like lengths of microbore running behind uPVC profile skirting.

Now, I wouldn't be totally averse to this providing it's reliable and up to
the job, etc but I've never come across it before. Anyone have any
experience of this sort of thing?

It's not a new idea. Skirting board rads were around when I fitted this
system in the '70s. But they were mounted on the skirting. And ugly.

--
*If only you'd use your powers for good instead of evil.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
"Dave Plowman (News)" writes:
In article ,
Lobster wrote:
Following my somewhat less than positive reaction to this proposed plan
("are you completely nuts?") Google has now told her all about heated
skirting board systems, notably www.thermaskirt.com. Looks essentially
like lengths of microbore running behind uPVC profile skirting.

Now, I wouldn't be totally averse to this providing it's reliable and up to
the job, etc but I've never come across it before. Anyone have any
experience of this sort of thing?

It's not a new idea. Skirting board rads were around when I fitted this
system in the '70s. But they were mounted on the skirting. And ugly.

Parents have one in their living room. It's 20' long, probably 10" high
and 3" deep. It's cast iron, made by Cannon, and dad had to assemble it
in sections, each of which was only just liftable by one person, before
the whole thing was moved into place as one unit. This was late 1950's,
and it was regarded as very modern at the time. Amazingly, it still
works, and has never leaked between the sections, which are apparently
sealed with O-rings, nor at the on-off valve.

It convects air through it - in through a slot at the bottom and out along
a slot at the top, and has internal cast iron fins (which you can't see,
but can feel if you poke your fingers in).

Although it runs the whole length of the room, the heat output was just
under what the room was calculated to require, and there is an additional
small radiator in an opposite corner.

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

In article ,
Andrew Gabriel wrote:
It's not a new idea. Skirting board rads were around when I fitted this
system in the '70s. But they were mounted on the skirting. And ugly.

Parents have one in their living room. It's 20' long, probably 10" high
and 3" deep. It's cast iron, made by Cannon, and dad had to assemble it
in sections, each of which was only just liftable by one person, before
the whole thing was moved into place as one unit. This was late 1950's,
and it was regarded as very modern at the time. Amazingly, it still
works, and has never leaked between the sections, which are apparently
sealed with O-rings, nor at the on-off valve.

It convects air through it - in through a slot at the bottom and out
along a slot at the top, and has internal cast iron fins (which you
can't see, but can feel if you poke your fingers in).

Although it runs the whole length of the room, the heat output was just
under what the room was calculated to require, and there is an additional
small radiator in an opposite corner.

ISTR seeing ones made out of finned copper - rather like a car radiator -
so probably more heat output for a given size?

--
*Rehab is for quitters.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 26/09/2014 11:06, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article ,
"Dave Plowman (News)" writes:
In article ,
Lobster wrote:
Following my somewhat less than positive reaction to this proposed plan
("are you completely nuts?") Google has now told her all about heated
skirting board systems, notably www.thermaskirt.com. Looks essentially
like lengths of microbore running behind uPVC profile skirting.

Now, I wouldn't be totally averse to this providing it's reliable and up to
the job, etc but I've never come across it before. Anyone have any
experience of this sort of thing?

It's not a new idea. Skirting board rads were around when I fitted this
system in the '70s. But they were mounted on the skirting. And ugly.

Parents have one in their living room. It's 20' long, probably 10" high
and 3" deep. It's cast iron, made by Cannon, and dad had to assemble it
in sections, each of which was only just liftable by one person, before
the whole thing was moved into place as one unit. This was late 1950's,
and it was regarded as very modern at the time. Amazingly, it still
works, and has never leaked between the sections, which are apparently
sealed with O-rings, nor at the on-off valve.

It convects air through it - in through a slot at the bottom and out along
a slot at the top, and has internal cast iron fins (which you can't see,
but can feel if you poke your fingers in).

Although it runs the whole length of the room, the heat output was just
under what the room was calculated to require, and there is an additional
small radiator in an opposite corner.

My doctor's surgery waiting room has low level heating that looks much
like that, but probably uses finned copper, rather than cast iron. It
runs along three of the four walls, but never really gets the room warm.

--
Colin Bignell

My experience is they never seem to heat the room up properly and where I have seen them used in public buildings they are usually replaced at the next re- furb. With much more efficient wall radiators. The same is true of kickboard heaters like the Myson in my kitchen which does not seem to have the grunt, unfortunately there is no space for a radiator. It's not ideal but is there not another wall you can put a radiator on, if you can get it close to the window wall the convection effects can be mitigated a bit.

Richard

On 26/09/2014 09:06, Lobster wrote:
Further to my previous query about microbore, here's a related one...

There is only one realistic position for the living room radiator - below
the window - and SWMBO has warned me that in the newly refurbished and
reorganised room there is likely to be a requirement not only for long
curtains (ie hanging in front of the radiator) but also a sofa pushed back
against said radiator.

Following my somewhat less than positive reaction to this proposed plan
("are you completely nuts?") Google has now told her all about heated
skirting board systems, notably www.thermaskirt.com. Looks essentially
like lengths of microbore running behind uPVC profile skirting.

Now, I wouldn't be totally averse to this providing it's reliable and up to
the job, etc but I've never come across it before. Anyone have any
experience of this sort of thing?


I have some old Myson skirting heating.
Its 32 years old.
Being just a copper pipe with aluminium fins in a case its as reliable
as copper pipe.
It was easy to fit as the return pipe fits in the case so you just loop
it at the end.

In article ,
Nightjar \cpb\@ insert my surname here wrote:
My doctor's surgery waiting room has low level heating that looks much
like that, but probably uses finned copper, rather than cast iron. It
runs along three of the four walls, but never really gets the room warm.

Like any radiators, you need an adequate size/number. But in the average
room there's probably more chance of skirting rads being 'covered' in some
way.

--
*It's lonely at the top, but you eat better.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Lobster" wrote in message
. 222...
Further to my previous query about microbore, here's a related one...

There is only one realistic position for the living room radiator - below
the window - and SWMBO has warned me that in the newly refurbished and
reorganised room there is likely to be a requirement not only for long
curtains (ie hanging in front of the radiator) but also a sofa pushed back
against said radiator.

Following my somewhat less than positive reaction to this proposed plan
("are you completely nuts?") Google has now told her all about heated
skirting board systems, notably www.thermaskirt.com. Looks essentially
like lengths of microbore running behind uPVC profile skirting.

Now, I wouldn't be totally averse to this providing it's reliable and up
to
the job, etc but I've never come across it before. Anyone have any
experience of this sort of thing?

--
David

They are not that clever.
There is little radiated heat effect so reducing comfort "feel"
They tend to be lots bigger than normal skirting and are quite obstrusive,
ugly even, especially if water temperatures are low/there is a condensing
boiler.
You need lots of it to get the equivalent to a radiator.
Hard work to put in if it is to look neat.
After a while, looks quite shabby, they have to be reguarly painted due to
kick/other damage.
They fill up with muck.
Mice love them.

I have seen whole buildings done out with it, the entire periphery of the
building was skirting heating.
It was never effective/efficient and also hard to control and split into
zones.

In article , Brian Gaff
wrote:
Oh dear and there was I thinking the only adverse issue was a dog with a
sore nose.

I think there is a need for some tall thin radiators these days,
personally. Brian

They exist - it's a matter of looking for them.

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