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These are the electric fires and there is no way I am going to give then a 230V feed without some remedial work. http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...e:CIMG6641.JPG http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...e:CIMG6642.JPG http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...e:CIMG6643.JPG http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...e:CIMG6645.JPG Some sort of orange lighting is needed to replace the heating elements (no heat is required but the customer wants the fire to look like it works). Suggestions welcome. -- Adam |
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On Wednesday, August 27, 2014 7:11:10 PM UTC+1, ARW wrote:
These are the electric fires and there is no way I am going to give then a 230V feed without some remedial work. http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...e:CIMG6641.JPG http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...e:CIMG6642.JPG http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...e:CIMG6643.JPG http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...e:CIMG6645.JPG Some sort of orange lighting is needed to replace the heating elements (no heat is required but the customer wants the fire to look like it works). Suggestions welcome. I'm doubtful anything but getting them working would look at all realistic. AFAICS all they need is a better guard, and if they fail insulation perhaps the switches etc running thru the dishwasher. I suppose there might be also the vague possibility of using long halogen elements instead. NT |
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red and amber single colour 3528 LED strips, 5050 might be a bit intense.
Enclosed 12V PSU in the fire body. |
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On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 19:11:10 +0100, ARW wrote:
These are the electric fires and there is no way I am going to give then a 230V feed without some remedial work. http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...e:CIMG6641.JPG http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...e:CIMG6642.JPG http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...e:CIMG6643.JPG http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...e:CIMG6645.JPG Some sort of orange lighting is needed to replace the heating elements (no heat is required but the customer wants the fire to look like it works). Suggestions welcome. Some sort of LED string using surface-mount LEDs in plastic tubing to replace the elements? You may have to add a circuit to dim them too. I can't see you getting anything standard. |
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On 27/08/2014 19:11, ARW wrote:
These are the electric fires and there is no way I am going to give then a 230V feed without some remedial work. http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...e:CIMG6641.JPG http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...e:CIMG6642.JPG http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...e:CIMG6643.JPG http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...e:CIMG6645.JPG Some sort of orange lighting is needed to replace the heating elements (no heat is required but the customer wants the fire to look like it works). Suggestions welcome. Maybe replace the wire with http://www.amazon.co.uk/Lerway%C2%AE...troluminescent I don't know how bright they are. |
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On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 19:11:10 +0100, "ARW"
wrote: These are the electric fires and there is no way I am going to give then a 230V feed without some remedial work. http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...e:CIMG6641.JPG http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...e:CIMG6642.JPG http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...e:CIMG6643.JPG http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...e:CIMG6645.JPG Some sort of orange lighting is needed to replace the heating elements (no heat is required but the customer wants the fire to look like it works). Suggestions welcome. I am almost certain that the same fire was in my parents bedroom when I was a kid. It would have been their since the house was built in 1953. Like this one installed in a chimney breast. Listen, I get very attached to old childhood memories, but there is no way on earth I would want this heap of junk back, the photo is quite enough thanks! Another memory, above the fire a large ventilation hole had been made and a covered with a hardboard "wedge" feature in that 1950s style. Nothing to do with the heater of course, the vent was required by the building regs apparently, and the outside wall was a bay window do the easiest place was the (then) redundant chimney -- Graham. %Profound_observation% |
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On Wednesday, August 27, 2014 7:14:57 PM UTC+1, wrote:
On Wednesday, August 27, 2014 7:11:10 PM UTC+1, ARW wrote: These are the electric fires and there is no way I am going to give then a 230V feed without some remedial work. http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...e:CIMG6641.JPG http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...e:CIMG6642.JPG http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...e:CIMG6643.JPG http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...e:CIMG6645.JPG Some sort of orange lighting is needed to replace the heating elements (no heat is required but the customer wants the fire to look like it works). Suggestions welcome. I'm doubtful anything but getting them working would look at all realistic. AFAICS all they need is a better guard, and if they fail insulation perhaps the switches etc running thru the dishwasher. I suppose there might be also the vague possibility of using long halogen elements instead. If you did go the other route, stretching the element wire out & running it at ELV would be a lot more realistic than LEDs etc. 240v 2kW so stretching it out to 50v would get you apx 400w rating. Quite a big transformer, but realistic. Why not just get a set of metal wire grilles made? NT |
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On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 21:05:12 +0100, "Dennis@home"
wrote: On 27/08/2014 19:11, ARW wrote: These are the electric fires and there is no way I am going to give then a 230V feed without some remedial work. http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...e:CIMG6641.JPG http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...e:CIMG6642.JPG http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...e:CIMG6643.JPG http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...e:CIMG6645.JPG Some sort of orange lighting is needed to replace the heating elements (no heat is required but the customer wants the fire to look like it works). Suggestions welcome. Maybe replace the wire with http://www.amazon.co.uk/Lerway%C2%AE...troluminescent I don't know how bright they are. I think that looks almost ideal. 2.4mm is a bit thick but from a distence it should look OK. I suspect it will be plenty bright enough and he'll need to under-run it. -- Graham. %Profound_observation% |
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writes I am almost certain that the same fire was in my parents bedroom when I was a kid. It would have been their since the house was built in 1953. Graham, are you sure I didn't just dictate that? I was born in '52, and we moved to a newly built house the following year. That fire is exactly the same as the one on the chimney breast in my parents' bedroom. It was an optional extra when the house was built, although I don't ever remember it being used, even in all the years before central heating was installed. Another optional extra was a brick (rather than tiled) fireplace in the room below. As a toddler, I found a piece of chalk in the garden, and used it on the fireplace. Despite my mother's best efforts, the marks were still there when they sold the house thirty years later. -- Graeme |
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"ARW" wrote in message ... These are the electric fires and there is no way I am going to give then a 230V feed without some remedial work. http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...e:CIMG6641.JPG http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...e:CIMG6642.JPG http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...e:CIMG6643.JPG http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...e:CIMG6645.JPG Some sort of orange lighting is needed to replace the heating elements (no heat is required but the customer wants the fire to look like it works). Suggestions welcome. -- Adam Wiring looks to be asbestos. Best chucked out and thoroughly vacuum cleaned. There's a good excuse. |
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On 27/08/2014 20:55, mick wrote:
On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 19:11:10 +0100, ARW wrote: These are the electric fires and there is no way I am going to give then a 230V feed without some remedial work. http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...e:CIMG6641.JPG http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...e:CIMG6642.JPG http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...e:CIMG6643.JPG http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...e:CIMG6645.JPG Some sort of orange lighting is needed to replace the heating elements (no heat is required but the customer wants the fire to look like it works). Suggestions welcome. How much is the customer willing to pay? One way that will work and should be pretty convincing is to have a piece of Perspex rod 5mmm dia or better still 1mm threaded spiral cut. A decent lathe should have no trouble making it. Then epoxy a high brightness water clear orange LED to each end. The thing will need a small PSU to drive them ~ 6v at 250mA ought to be more than enough. BTW is the rest of the house wiring of a similar antiquity to the fire? Some sort of LED string using surface-mount LEDs in plastic tubing to replace the elements? You may have to add a circuit to dim them too. I can't see you getting anything standard. You tend to be able to see the bright LED dies in a clear string. Regards, Martin Brown |
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On 28/08/2014 06:56, News wrote:
In message , Graham. writes I am almost certain that the same fire was in my parents bedroom when I was a kid. It would have been their since the house was built in 1953. Graham, are you sure I didn't just dictate that? I was born in '52, and we moved to a newly built house the following year. That fire is exactly the same as the one on the chimney breast in my parents' bedroom. It was an optional extra when the house was built, although I don't ever remember it being used, even in all the years before central heating was installed. Another optional extra was a brick (rather than tiled) fireplace in the room below. As a toddler, I found a piece of chalk in the garden, and used it on the fireplace. Despite my mother's best efforts, the marks were still there when they sold the house thirty years later. Sounds like her best efforts didn't include brick acid. |
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On Thursday, August 28, 2014 8:26:35 AM UTC+1, Martin Brown wrote:
On 27/08/2014 20:55, mick wrote: On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 19:11:10 +0100, ARW wrote: These are the electric fires and there is no way I am going to give then a 230V feed without some remedial work. http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...e:CIMG6641.JPG http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...e:CIMG6642.JPG http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...e:CIMG6643.JPG http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...e:CIMG6645.JPG Some sort of orange lighting is needed to replace the heating elements (no heat is required but the customer wants the fire to look like it works). Suggestions welcome. How much is the customer willing to pay? One way that will work and should be pretty convincing is to have a piece of Perspex rod 5mmm dia or better still 1mm threaded spiral cut. Like the water on the Bowes` Silver Swan automaton, there the twisted rods rotate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOXqCuqDOiI A decent lathe should have no trouble making it. Then epoxy a high brightness water clear orange LED to each end. The thing will need a small PSU to drive them ~ 6v at 250mA ought to be more than enough. Amber has a Vf of less than 3V and 5mm LED about 20mA still need a resistor in line with the LEDs. BTW is the rest of the house wiring of a similar antiquity to the fire? Some sort of LED string using surface-mount LEDs in plastic tubing to replace the elements? You may have to add a circuit to dim them too. I can't see you getting anything standard. You tend to be able to see the bright LED dies in a clear string. Lametta or similar silver strips can be an effective diffuser. EL string is really not bright, especially in red. Regards, Martin Brown |
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newshound writes On 28/08/2014 06:56, News wrote: Another optional extra was a brick (rather than tiled) fireplace in the room below. As a toddler, I found a piece of chalk in the garden, and used it on the fireplace. Despite my mother's best efforts, the marks were still there when they sold the house thirty years later. Sounds like her best efforts didn't include brick acid. I cannot imagine too many young housewives were familiar with brick acid in 1955. -- Graeme |
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writes In message , newshound writes On 28/08/2014 06:56, News wrote: Another optional extra was a brick (rather than tiled) fireplace in the room below. As a toddler, I found a piece of chalk in the garden, and used it on the fireplace. Despite my mother's best efforts, the marks were still there when they sold the house thirty years later. Sounds like her best efforts didn't include brick acid. I cannot imagine too many young housewives were familiar with brick acid in 1955. Nah, she'd have used spirits of salt instead ;-) -- fred it's a ba-na-na . . . . |
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Why bother? It's a seriously ugly fireplace and fire.
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On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 14:47:08 +0100, fred wrote:
In article , News writes In message , Sounds like her best efforts didn't include brick acid. I cannot imagine too many young housewives were familiar with brick acid in 1955. Nah, she'd have used spirits of salt instead ;-) Memories of Dad's shed /workshop in the 60's with various green bottles one of which had that label on it, others contained various chemical cocktails for pest control,iodine and one held a few ounces of mercury. Some rusting tins with powders for treating sheep with sore asses etc . Doubt that we were unusual although none of my mates had the kudos of showing off a rusty Oxo tin containing a few sticks of Arctic gelignite manufactured in 1910 left from when a small quarry on the farm was still worked by Grandfather. G.Harman |
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On 27/08/14 19:11, ARW wrote:
These are the electric fires and there is no way I am going to give then a 230V feed without some remedial work. http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...e:CIMG6641.JPG http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...e:CIMG6642.JPG http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...e:CIMG6643.JPG http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...e:CIMG6645.JPG Some sort of orange lighting is needed to replace the heating elements (no heat is required but the customer wants the fire to look like it works). Suggestions welcome. LCD TV and USB stick with images. Can be flipped to show a fish tank  -- Adrian C |
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... Why bother? It's a seriously ugly fireplace and fire. Because in this case it is for a customer who is also a friend. Personally I would have had a look to see if there was any eBay value and if not then put on the pile of scrap;-) -- Adam |
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"Graham." wrote in message
... On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 21:05:12 +0100, "Dennis@home" wrote: On 27/08/2014 19:11, ARW wrote: These are the electric fires and there is no way I am going to give then a 230V feed without some remedial work. http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...e:CIMG6641.JPG http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...e:CIMG6642.JPG http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...e:CIMG6643.JPG http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...e:CIMG6645.JPG Some sort of orange lighting is needed to replace the heating elements (no heat is required but the customer wants the fire to look like it works). Suggestions welcome. Maybe replace the wire with http://www.amazon.co.uk/Lerway%C2%AE...troluminescent I don't know how bright they are. I think that looks almost ideal. 2.4mm is a bit thick but from a distence it should look OK. I suspect it will be plenty bright enough and he'll need to under-run it. At that price it is worth a shot. I am still considering ELV options. -- Adam |
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On Thursday, August 28, 2014 6:28:40 PM UTC+1, ARW wrote:
Because in this case it is for a customer who is also a friend. Personally I would have had a look to see if there was any eBay value and if not then put on the pile of scrap;-) I think the fires are great (not the fireplaces). Used to have them in a house that was wired in the 1920s/30s with lead cable, each fire was wired into the back of a 15A plug (*) in the wall below it. MK flush type almost the size of a current double socket, with 4 faceplate fixing screws IIRC. Owain (* as they were called in those days) |
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On 27/08/2014 19:11, ARW wrote:
These are the electric fires and there is no way I am going to give then a 230V feed without some remedial work. http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...e:CIMG6641.JPG http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...e:CIMG6642.JPG http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...e:CIMG6643.JPG http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...e:CIMG6645.JPG Some sort of orange lighting is needed to replace the heating elements (no heat is required but the customer wants the fire to look like it works). Suggestions welcome. I'm reminiscing my student days when I used a fork to hold a piece of bread in front of the element of a fire just like that. |
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On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 06:56:06 +0100, News
wrote: In message , Graham. writes I am almost certain that the same fire was in my parents bedroom when I was a kid. It would have been their since the house was built in 1953. Graham, are you sure I didn't just dictate that? I was born in '52, and we moved to a newly built house the following year. That fire is exactly the same as the one on the chimney breast in my parents' bedroom. It was an optional extra when the house was built, although I don't ever remember it being used, even in all the years before central heating was installed. Another optional extra was a brick (rather than tiled) fireplace in the room below. As a toddler, I found a piece of chalk in the garden, and used it on the fireplace. Despite my mother's best efforts, the marks were still there when they sold the house thirty years later. This was in North Manchester incidentally. I could even tell you the name of the electrician who wired the house, he and his wife became good friends of my parents. -- Graham. %Profound_observation% |
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In message , Graham.
writes On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 06:56:06 +0100, News wrote: Another optional extra was a brick (rather than tiled) fireplace in the room below. As a toddler, I found a piece of chalk in the garden, and used it on the fireplace. Despite my mother's best efforts, the marks were still there when they sold the house thirty years later. This was in North Manchester incidentally. I could even tell you the name of the electrician who wired the house, he and his wife became good friends of my parents. Our house was in Bishop's Stortford (Herts) and, being a smallish town at that time, my parents knew the builder (Jarvis) who was a small, local builder just building a few houses at a time. -- Graeme |
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... On Thursday, August 28, 2014 6:28:40 PM UTC+1, ARW wrote: Because in this case it is for a customer who is also a friend. Personally I would have had a look to see if there was any eBay value and if not then put on the pile of scrap;-) I think the fires are great (not the fireplaces). Used to have them in a house that was wired in the 1920s/30s with lead cable, each fire was wired into the back of a 15A plug (*) in the wall below it. MK flush type almost the size of a current double socket, with 4 faceplate fixing screws IIRC. Yes - they would look OK flush to the wall with no fireplace. -- Adam |
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