[george - dicegeorge]

google has shown me copies of threads from here at:
http://www.homeownershub.com/uk-diy/...ke-979222-.htm
and
http://www.ukclique.com/replacing-le...r-make-t767837

whats going on?

[Andy Burns[_9_]]

george - dicegeorge wrote:

whats going on?

Web sites being parasites basically - take free content from usenet,
blend in some adverts, and hope that enough people who think the web
*is* the internet will use them ...

[Rod Speed]

"george - dicegeorge" wrote in message
...
google has shown me copies of threads from here at:
http://www.homeownershub.com/uk-diy/...ke-979222-.htm
and
http://www.ukclique.com/replacing-le...r-make-t767837

whats going on?

Google has done that for a long time now.

[John Rumm]

On 28/06/2014 12:12, george - dicegeorge wrote:

google has shown me copies of threads from here at:
http://www.homeownershub.com/uk-diy/...ke-979222-.htm

and you can read this one:

http://www.homeownershub.com/uk-diy/

and
http://www.ukclique.com/replacing-le...r-make-t767837

whats going on?

Just another web layer on top of usenet.

Think of it as either a service to users without news server access, or
a bunch of chancers looking for oodles for free content to drive
searchers toward their ads (assuming they have some - can't tell running
adblock!)

You want to see the commercial sites out that that have lifted content
from our wiki and posted it complete with pictures and then slapped
their copyright on top!

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[Bob Eager[_3_]]

On Sat, 28 Jun 2014 12:36:33 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:

george - dicegeorge wrote:

whats going on?

Web sites being parasites basically - take free content from usenet,
blend in some adverts, and hope that enough people who think the web
*is* the internet will use them ...

Indeed. @diy_forum being another.

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[JimK[_3_]]

On Saturday, 28 June 2014 13:39:49 UTC+1, John Rumm wrote:
On 28/06/2014 12:12, george - dicegeorge wrote:



google has shown me copies of threads from here at:

http://www.homeownershub.com/uk-diy/...ke-979222-.htm



and you can read this one:



http://www.homeownershub.com/uk-diy/



and

http://www.ukclique.com/replacing-le...r-make-t767837



whats going on?



Just another web layer on top of usenet.



Think of it as either a service to users without news server access, or

a bunch of chancers looking for oodles for free content to drive

searchers toward their ads (assuming they have some - can't tell running

adblock!)



You want to see the commercial sites out that that have lifted content

from our wiki and posted it complete with pictures and then slapped

their copyright on top!



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Cheers,



John.


Any mileage in a 'uk.d-i-y' "watermark" at least on jpgs?

would the wider populace know what to do with it even if curious?

Jim K

[John Rumm]

On 28/06/2014 15:43, JimK wrote:

You want to see the commercial sites out that that have lifted content
from our wiki and posted it complete with pictures and then slapped
their copyright on top!

Any mileage in a 'uk.d-i-y' "watermark" at least on jpgs?
would the wider populace know what to do with it even if curious?

Some of the ones pilfered already had a visible copyright in the image -
that was left in on the infringing site!

e.g try this bunch of chancers:

http://aaelectricalservices.co.uk/cables.html

I like the bit about employing professionals at the bottom of the page!


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[Rick Hughes[_5_]]

On 28/06/2014 12:12, george - dicegeorge wrote:
google has shown me copies of threads from here at:
http://www.homeownershub.com/uk-diy/...ke-979222-.htm

and
http://www.ukclique.com/replacing-le...r-make-t767837

whats going on?


Put stuff in Public Domain and you can expect this.


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[[email protected]]

On Saturday, June 28, 2014 6:23:49 PM UTC+1, Rick Hughes wrote:
Put stuff in Public Domain and you can expect this.

The Harry Potter books are in the public domain in as much as they are published, but that doesn't mean I can put a new cover on them and sell them as the Larry Trotter novels as my own work...

Owain

[Rick Hughes[_5_]]

On 28/06/2014 18:39, wrote:
On Saturday, June 28, 2014 6:23:49 PM UTC+1, Rick Hughes wrote:
Put stuff in Public Domain and you can expect this.

The Harry Potter books are in the public domain in as much as they are published, but that doesn't mean I can put a new cover on them and sell them as the Larry Trotter novels as my own work...

Owain

If you think that anything you post on the public internet is secure,
then you are expecting far too much.
Post it in public and public will take it.

I wrote a large article for UK Selfbuid .. and found it recreated word
for word on a Plumbing companies web site as their guide ... it happens.




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[JimK[_3_]]

/John Rumm
On 28/06/2014 15:43, JimK wrote:

You want to see the commercial sites out that that have lifted content
from our wiki and posted it complete with pictures and then slapped
their copyright on top!

Any mileage in a 'uk.d-i-y' "watermark" at least on jpgs?
would the wider populace know what to do with it even if curious?

Some of the ones pilfered already had a visible copyright in the image -
that was left in on the infringing site!

e.g try this bunch of chancers:

http://aaelectricalservices.co.uk/cables.html

I like the bit about employing professionals at the bottom of the page! /q

Mmm 'proud members of chequered trade'(sic) too, that's unreassuring :-)

Jim K

[Brian Gaff[_2_]]

Well crossposting to up to three groups is quite common on Usenet, if this
happens after the start of a thread then the origninal post is only
preserved in quotes.
Brian

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"george - dicegeorge" wrote in message
...
google has shown me copies of threads from here at:
http://www.homeownershub.com/uk-diy/...ke-979222-.htm
and
http://www.ukclique.com/replacing-le...r-make-t767837

whats going on?

[Brian Gaff[_2_]]

Well, u thiey can do as they like, but if there is no way p back to the
original poster to see it, then they are in effect shooting themselves in
the foot.
Brian

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"Bob Eager" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 28 Jun 2014 12:36:33 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:

george - dicegeorge wrote:

whats going on?

Web sites being parasites basically - take free content from usenet,
blend in some adverts, and hope that enough people who think the web
*is* the internet will use them ...

Indeed. @diy_forum being another.

--
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wish to copy them they can pay me £30 message.
Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org
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[Brian Gaff[_2_]]

Yes indeed. I was involved in a thread on a group about web creation using
flash and how to make it accessible. Part of my post was reposted as a quote
on a web site out of context which effectively got me into trouble with a
lady whose husband was a web developer and she refused to ever talk to me
again, even though, if she had read the original, it would not have caused
any problems. so not only do people nick stuff, but some people, like
relatives of those in the know, who don't know, shall we say, their web site
from their arses, get others into trouble as well. One just develops an
asbestos skin in the end.

No matter how idiot proff a thing is another better idiot comes along to
screw you up.
Brian

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"Rick Hughes" wrote in message
...
On 28/06/2014 18:39, wrote:
On Saturday, June 28, 2014 6:23:49 PM UTC+1, Rick Hughes wrote:
Put stuff in Public Domain and you can expect this.

The Harry Potter books are in the public domain in as much as they are
published, but that doesn't mean I can put a new cover on them and sell
them as the Larry Trotter novels as my own work...

Owain

If you think that anything you post on the public internet is secure, then
you are expecting far too much.
Post it in public and public will take it.

I wrote a large article for UK Selfbuid .. and found it recreated word for
word on a Plumbing companies web site as their guide ... it happens.




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[tony sayer]

In article , JimK
scribeth thus
/John Rumm
On 28/06/2014 15:43, JimK wrote:

You want to see the commercial sites out that that have lifted content
from our wiki and posted it complete with pictures and then slapped
their copyright on top!

Any mileage in a 'uk.d-i-y' "watermark" at least on jpgs?
would the wider populace know what to do with it even if curious?

Some of the ones pilfered already had a visible copyright in the image -
that was left in on the infringing site!

e.g try this bunch of chancers:

http://aaelectricalservices.co.uk/cables.html

I like the bit about employing professionals at the bottom of the page! /q

Mmm 'proud members of chequered trade'(sic) too, that's unreassuring :-)


Where does it say that?, some otherwise useful info on there well
presented re cables..

Jim K

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[JimK[_3_]]

On Sunday, 29 June 2014 12:12:33 UTC+1, tony sayer wrote:
In article , JimK

scribeth thus

/John Rumm

On 28/06/2014 15:43, JimK wrote:



You want to see the commercial sites out that that have lifted content

from our wiki and posted it complete with pictures and then slapped

their copyright on top!



Any mileage in a 'uk.d-i-y' "watermark" at least on jpgs?

would the wider populace know what to do with it even if curious?



Some of the ones pilfered already had a visible copyright in the image -

that was left in on the infringing site!



e.g try this bunch of chancers:



http://aaelectricalservices.co.uk/cables.html



I like the bit about employing professionals at the bottom of the page! /q



Mmm 'proud members of chequered trade'(sic) too, that's unreassuring :-)





Where does it say that?, some otherwise useful info on there well
presented re cables..


eh??

right hand side "click for more info on" huge FO graphic for "Chuckatrade"??

yes very nice stolen info on cables..... have you bothered to read this thread??

Jim K

[John Rumm]

On 29/06/2014 10:03, Brian Gaff wrote:
Well, u thiey can do as they like, but if there is no way p back to the
original poster to see it, then they are in effect shooting themselves in
the foot.

Some certainly feed posts from the site back to usenet - hence the
diybanter posters visible here from time to time...


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[John Rumm]

On 29/06/2014 12:12, tony sayer wrote:
In article , JimK
scribeth thus
/John Rumm
On 28/06/2014 15:43, JimK wrote:

You want to see the commercial sites out that that have lifted content
from our wiki and posted it complete with pictures and then slapped
their copyright on top!

Any mileage in a 'uk.d-i-y' "watermark" at least on jpgs?
would the wider populace know what to do with it even if curious?

Some of the ones pilfered already had a visible copyright in the image -
that was left in on the infringing site!

e.g try this bunch of chancers:

http://aaelectricalservices.co.uk/cables.html

I like the bit about employing professionals at the bottom of the page! /q

Mmm 'proud members of chequered trade'(sic) too, that's unreassuring :-)


Where does it say that?, some otherwise useful info on there well
presented re cables..

Agreed, and now go compare with:

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?title=Cables




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[D.M.Chapman[_2_]]

In article ,
John Rumm wrote:

Agreed, and now go compare with:

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?title=Cables

Who holds the copywrite on those images? Someone here created them I presume?

Assuming they've not been released as available to use, maybe the copywrite
holder could drop them an email complaining... be interesting to hear their
response.

Darren

[Dave W[_2_]]

On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 12:12:33 +0100, tony sayer
wrote:

In article , JimK
scribeth thus
/John Rumm
On 28/06/2014 15:43, JimK wrote:

You want to see the commercial sites out that that have lifted content
from our wiki and posted it complete with pictures and then slapped
their copyright on top!

Any mileage in a 'uk.d-i-y' "watermark" at least on jpgs?
would the wider populace know what to do with it even if curious?

Some of the ones pilfered already had a visible copyright in the image -
that was left in on the infringing site!

e.g try this bunch of chancers:

http://aaelectricalservices.co.uk/cables.html

I like the bit about employing professionals at the bottom of the page! /q

Mmm 'proud members of chequered trade'(sic) too, that's unreassuring :-)


Where does it say that?, some otherwise useful info on there well
presented re cables..

Jim K

I can't see it either - maybe they've corrected it, or maybe (sic)
isn't . All I noticed is "explination" [sic] under the "Cables" title.
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[tony sayer]

In article , John
Rumm scribeth thus
On 29/06/2014 12:12, tony sayer wrote:
In article , JimK
scribeth thus
/John Rumm
On 28/06/2014 15:43, JimK wrote:

You want to see the commercial sites out that that have lifted content
from our wiki and posted it complete with pictures and then slapped
their copyright on top!

Any mileage in a 'uk.d-i-y' "watermark" at least on jpgs?
would the wider populace know what to do with it even if curious?

Some of the ones pilfered already had a visible copyright in the image -
that was left in on the infringing site!

e.g try this bunch of chancers:

http://aaelectricalservices.co.uk/cables.html

I like the bit about employing professionals at the bottom of the page! /q

Mmm 'proud members of chequered trade'(sic) too, that's unreassuring :-)


Where does it say that?, some otherwise useful info on there well
presented re cables..

Agreed, and now go compare with:

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?title=Cables



Flattery eh;?...




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Tony Sayer

[John Rumm]

On 29/06/2014 19:18, D.M.Chapman wrote:
In article ,
John Rumm wrote:

Agreed, and now go compare with:

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?title=Cables

Who holds the copywrite on those images? Someone here created them I presume?

Assuming they've not been released as available to use, maybe the copywrite
holder could drop them an email complaining... be interesting to hear their
response.

The images on that particular page were collected from various sources -
none were originated by us as far as I am aware... Some of the others
that have been pinched have been ones one of us drew or photographed
though.

I did send an email to the lot above suggesting that a attribution would
be in order, but did not get any form of reply.


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[Dave Liquorice[_2_]]

On Sat, 28 Jun 2014 13:39:49 +0100, John Rumm wrote:

You want to see the commercial sites out that that have lifted content
from our wiki and posted it complete with pictures and then slapped
their copyright on top!

Barstewards but it happens. I quite like it when they don't copy any
images just link back to the orginal ones that msyteriously get
changed...

If you run the webserver it's possible to configure things so that
only the referring leech site gets the changed image, so you don't
need to change yoursite.

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[Cursitor Doom[_2_]]

On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 23:11:00 +0100, tony sayer
wrote:


Flattery eh;?...

Might be best to see it that way. I've had just about everything
nicked off me: essays, youtube films, usenet threads, you name it.
It's a ****ing cheek. I remember one day coming across some of my
essays which I'd put out for free as an act of selflessness to try to
help others and found the first 25 lines of each reproduced on some
commercial site which required a payment of 50 dollars to read the
rest!
My Youtube films used to draw several comments a day to my email inbox
for years, but then one day suddenly stopped. When I got around to
looking into it, some swine had somehow swiped my films over to his YT
channel to add to his compendium on the subject it dealt. Never even
had the manners to ask, either! The follow-up comments on MY films
then went to HIM instead.
I suppose we shouldn't be too surprised. Anything that isn't nailed
down in the real world frequently gets nicked, so why not stuff
online?

[Andy Burns[_9_]]

John Rumm wrote:

The images on that particular page were collected from various sources -
none were originated by us as far as I am aware...

I thought the diagram showing how the "council house" 1&E + single
neutral lighting wiring is done was by a DIY contributor?

[tony sayer]

In article , Cursitor Doom
scribeth thus
On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 23:11:00 +0100, tony sayer
wrote:


Flattery eh;?...

Might be best to see it that way.

Suppose so hence the smiley;!..

I've had just about everything
nicked off me: essays, youtube films, usenet threads, you name it.
It's a ****ing cheek. I remember one day coming across some of my
essays which I'd put out for free as an act of selflessness to try to
help others and found the first 25 lines of each reproduced on some
commercial site which required a payment of 50 dollars to read the
rest!
My Youtube films used to draw several comments a day to my email inbox
for years, but then one day suddenly stopped. When I got around to
looking into it, some swine had somehow swiped my films over to his YT
channel to add to his compendium on the subject it dealt. Never even
had the manners to ask, either! The follow-up comments on MY films
then went to HIM instead.
I suppose we shouldn't be too surprised. Anything that isn't nailed
down in the real world frequently gets nicked, so why not stuff
online?

Suppose once its out there online then anyone can easily copy it.

Can't you "watermark" the items published?..

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[John Rumm]

On 30/06/2014 06:13, Andy Burns wrote:
John Rumm wrote:

The images on that particular page were collected from various sources -
none were originated by us as far as I am aware...

I thought the diagram showing how the "council house" 1&E + single
neutral lighting wiring is done was by a DIY contributor?

Indeed it was - and I missed that on the copied page, since it has since
been moved to the house wiring article on our site.

For the avoidance of doubt, they have also copied lots of other pages
and diagrams / pictures etc.

Given our wiki is published under GNU free documentation license:

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...iki:Copyrights

thence:

http://www.gnu.org/licenses/fdl.html

Its fair game for people to reuse the content, however they should
ensure that the original authors get recognition for their work as well.


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[Cursitor Doom[_2_]]

On Mon, 30 Jun 2014 09:22:08 +0100, tony sayer
wrote:


Can't you "watermark" the items published?..

Really cannot be bothered. The stolen items didn't represent enough of
an investment in time and effort on my part to worry about pursuing.
Now if I'd written a 100,000 word novel which had been widely
acclaimed and had fortune-making potential, that'd be different!

[george - dicegeorge]

On 28/06/14 19:30, Rick Hughes wrote:
On 28/06/2014 18:39, wrote:
On Saturday, June 28, 2014 6:23:49 PM UTC+1, Rick Hughes wrote:
Put stuff in Public Domain and you can expect this.

The Harry Potter books are in the public domain in as much as they are
published, but that doesn't mean I can put a new cover on them and
sell them as the Larry Trotter novels as my own work...

Owain

If you think that anything you post on the public internet is secure,
then you are expecting far too much.
Post it in public and public will take it.

I wrote a large article for UK Selfbuid .. and found it recreated word
for word on a Plumbing companies web site as their guide ... it happens.




I think putting (c) at the end of every page could help, as could some
kind of public commons license where they must provide links back to source

George (c) 2014