Got a call from a customer last night, apparently they had a mouse in
their cooker hood extractor!

Called in at lunchtime & they then reckoned it was a bird. Bloke had
switched the fan on briefly & heard squawks, then the fuse popped.

Took the 'chimney' off, fan was vented to outside via 4" ducting.

Removed that & peered in to find a bird which was no more, he had ceased
to be, expired, shuffled off his mortal coil etc.

Don't know what it was, size between a sparrow & a pigeon.

Checked the vent outside, no way it could have got in there, couldn't
see a break in the ducting

How on earth did it get there?

--
Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

The Medway Handyman wrote:
Got a call from a customer last night, apparently they had a mouse in
their cooker hood extractor!
Called in at lunchtime & they then reckoned it was a bird.

Perhaps the bird flew in while the external grille was off, and the customer (or someone else) replaced the grill himself - might have been several days ago (I don't know how long it takes a bird to starve to death).

Owain

They can die of fright too...
(No disrespect ;^)

Jim K

The Medway Handyman wrote:
Got a call from a customer last night, apparently they had a mouse in
their cooker hood extractor!

Called in at lunchtime & they then reckoned it was a bird. Bloke had
switched the fan on briefly & heard squawks, then the fuse popped.

Took the 'chimney' off, fan was vented to outside via 4" ducting.

Removed that & peered in to find a bird which was no more, he had
ceased to be, expired, shuffled off his mortal coil etc.

Don't know what it was, size between a sparrow & a pigeon.

Checked the vent outside, no way it could have got in there, couldn't
see a break in the ducting

How on earth did it get there?

If it couldn't get in through the external vent *or* through the ducting,
the only other way is from inside the kitchen, that is, someone put it in
there.

However unlikely this seems, once you've ruled out all other scenarios, this
is all that remains.

"The Medway Handyman" wrote in message
...
Got a call from a customer last night, apparently they had a mouse in
their cooker hood extractor!

Called in at lunchtime & they then reckoned it was a bird. Bloke had
switched the fan on briefly & heard squawks, then the fuse popped.

Took the 'chimney' off, fan was vented to outside via 4" ducting.

Removed that & peered in to find a bird which was no more, he had ceased
to be, expired, shuffled off his mortal coil etc.

Don't know what it was, size between a sparrow & a pigeon.

Checked the vent outside, no way it could have got in there, couldn't see
a break in the ducting

How on earth did it get there?

Thru the break in the ducting you couldn't see presumably.

The Medway Handyman wrote:

Got a call from a customer last night, apparently they had a mouse in
their cooker hood extractor!

Called in at lunchtime & they then reckoned it was a bird. Bloke had
switched the fan on briefly & heard squawks, then the fuse popped.

Took the 'chimney' off, fan was vented to outside via 4" ducting.

Removed that & peered in to find a bird which was no more, he had ceased
to be, expired, shuffled off his mortal coil etc.

Don't know what it was, size between a sparrow & a pigeon.

Checked the vent outside, no way it could have got in there, couldn't
see a break in the ducting

How on earth did it get there?


ask a good magician .!.

-

I've had birds fly into the kitchen before now. I do not have a cooker hood
though, and normally the minute you appear they beat a hasty retreat.
Brian

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"Phil L" wrote in message
...
The Medway Handyman wrote:
Got a call from a customer last night, apparently they had a mouse in
their cooker hood extractor!

Called in at lunchtime & they then reckoned it was a bird. Bloke had
switched the fan on briefly & heard squawks, then the fuse popped.

Took the 'chimney' off, fan was vented to outside via 4" ducting.

Removed that & peered in to find a bird which was no more, he had
ceased to be, expired, shuffled off his mortal coil etc.

Don't know what it was, size between a sparrow & a pigeon.

Checked the vent outside, no way it could have got in there, couldn't
see a break in the ducting

How on earth did it get there?

If it couldn't get in through the external vent *or* through the ducting,
the only other way is from inside the kitchen, that is, someone put it in
there.

However unlikely this seems, once you've ruled out all other scenarios,
this is all that remains.

Small chicken maybe?

Then it would be "coq au fan"




fetching coat

Jim K

On 10/05/2014 08:48, Brian Gaff wrote:
I've had birds fly into the kitchen before now. I do not have a cooker hood
though, and normally the minute you appear they beat a hasty retreat.

Your local birds must be brighter than most, who normally try to beat a
retreat through the closed window next to the one they came in through.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

On 10/05/2014 00:31, Rod Speed wrote:


"The Medway Handyman" wrote in message
...
Got a call from a customer last night, apparently they had a mouse in
their cooker hood extractor!

Called in at lunchtime & they then reckoned it was a bird. Bloke had
switched the fan on briefly & heard squawks, then the fuse popped.

Took the 'chimney' off, fan was vented to outside via 4" ducting.

Removed that & peered in to find a bird which was no more, he had
ceased to be, expired, shuffled off his mortal coil etc.

Don't know what it was, size between a sparrow & a pigeon.

Checked the vent outside, no way it could have got in there, couldn't
see a break in the ducting

How on earth did it get there?

Thru the break in the ducting you couldn't see presumably.

That would have to be in the cavity wall. No sign of any gaps in fascias
or soffits.....

--
Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

On Fri, 9 May 2014 20:27:56 +0100, "Phil L"
wrote:

The Medway Handyman wrote:
Got a call from a customer last night, apparently they had a mouse in
their cooker hood extractor!

Called in at lunchtime & they then reckoned it was a bird. Bloke had
switched the fan on briefly & heard squawks, then the fuse popped.

Took the 'chimney' off, fan was vented to outside via 4" ducting.

Removed that & peered in to find a bird which was no more, he had
ceased to be, expired, shuffled off his mortal coil etc.

Don't know what it was, size between a sparrow & a pigeon.

Checked the vent outside, no way it could have got in there, couldn't
see a break in the ducting

How on earth did it get there?

If it couldn't get in through the external vent *or* through the ducting,
the only other way is from inside the kitchen, that is, someone put it in
there.

However unlikely this seems, once you've ruled out all other scenarios, this
is all that remains.

Not at all unlikely. Birds will fly in through open windows and doors,
then basically panic.




--

Graham.

%Profound_observation%

"The Medway Handyman" wrote in message
...
Got a call from a customer last night, apparently they had a mouse in
their cooker hood extractor!

Called in at lunchtime & they then reckoned it was a bird. Bloke had
switched the fan on briefly & heard squawks, then the fuse popped.

Took the 'chimney' off, fan was vented to outside via 4" ducting.

Removed that & peered in to find a bird which was no more, he had ceased
to be, expired, shuffled off his mortal coil etc.

Don't know what it was, size between a sparrow & a pigeon.

Checked the vent outside, no way it could have got in there, couldn't see
a break in the ducting

How on earth did it get there?

no idea,

but i have heard the tale of fully grown snails being extracted from cars
rear light clusters as they were ratteling around,
in those cases the baby snails get in through the drainage holes in the
bottom of the light clusters, then they grow eating up any minute bits of
moss/algie or other nutrients in there, then die of starvation or are cooked
by the heat of the bulbs.

but that kind of thing wouldn't work for a bird..... except a the few that
hatch fully formed and able to feed themselves when they hatch like quails
and most of the duck species.... but none of them can fly straight after
hatch, and quails have no direction control in their short flight (speaking
of chinese painted quails of which i have a few)

On 10/05/14 14:45, Gazz wrote:

"The Medway Handyman" wrote in message
...
Got a call from a customer last night, apparently they had a mouse in
their cooker hood extractor!

Called in at lunchtime & they then reckoned it was a bird. Bloke had
switched the fan on briefly & heard squawks, then the fuse popped.

Took the 'chimney' off, fan was vented to outside via 4" ducting.

Removed that & peered in to find a bird which was no more, he had
ceased to be, expired, shuffled off his mortal coil etc.

Don't know what it was, size between a sparrow & a pigeon.

Checked the vent outside, no way it could have got in there, couldn't
see a break in the ducting

How on earth did it get there?

no idea,

but i have heard the tale of fully grown snails being extracted from
cars rear light clusters as they were ratteling around,
in those cases the baby snails get in through the drainage holes in the
bottom of the light clusters, then they grow eating up any minute bits
of moss/algie or other nutrients in there, then die of starvation or are
cooked by the heat of the bulbs.

but that kind of thing wouldn't work for a bird..... except a the few
that hatch fully formed and able to feed themselves when they hatch like
quails and most of the duck species.... but none of them can fly
straight after hatch, and quails have no direction control in their
short flight (speaking of chinese painted quails of which i have a few)

Nah. That's how birds fly. They teleport themselves a few mm at a time.
Occasionally its a few inches.

Quantum tunnelling by birdbrains.

You know it makes sense ;-)


--
Ineptocracy

(in-ep-toc-ra-cy) €“ a system of government where the least capable to
lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the
members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are
rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a
diminishing number of producers.

"Graham." wrote in message
...
On Fri, 9 May 2014 20:27:56 +0100, "Phil L"
wrote:

The Medway Handyman wrote:
Got a call from a customer last night, apparently they had a mouse in
their cooker hood extractor!

Called in at lunchtime & they then reckoned it was a bird. Bloke had
switched the fan on briefly & heard squawks, then the fuse popped.

Took the 'chimney' off, fan was vented to outside via 4" ducting.

Removed that & peered in to find a bird which was no more, he had
ceased to be, expired, shuffled off his mortal coil etc.

Don't know what it was, size between a sparrow & a pigeon.

Checked the vent outside, no way it could have got in there, couldn't
see a break in the ducting

How on earth did it get there?

If it couldn't get in through the external vent *or* through the ducting,
the only other way is from inside the kitchen, that is, someone put it in
there.

However unlikely this seems, once you've ruled out all other scenarios,
this
is all that remains.

Not at all unlikely. Birds will fly in through open windows and doors,
then basically panic.

They don't usually panic by flying into a hole tho, they
normally fly into the glass of a closed window instead.

On 09/05/14 20:27, Phil L wrote:
The Medway Handyman wrote:
Got a call from a customer last night, apparently they had a mouse in
their cooker hood extractor!

Called in at lunchtime & they then reckoned it was a bird. Bloke had
switched the fan on briefly & heard squawks, then the fuse popped.

Took the 'chimney' off, fan was vented to outside via 4" ducting.

Removed that & peered in to find a bird which was no more, he had
ceased to be, expired, shuffled off his mortal coil etc.

Don't know what it was, size between a sparrow & a pigeon.

Checked the vent outside, no way it could have got in there, couldn't
see a break in the ducting

How on earth did it get there?

If it couldn't get in through the external vent *or* through the ducting,
the only other way is from inside the kitchen, that is, someone put it in
there.

However unlikely this seems, once you've ruled out all other scenarios, this
is all that remains.


What if it hatched there?

--
djc

"djc" wrote in message
...
On 09/05/14 20:27, Phil L wrote:
The Medway Handyman wrote:
Got a call from a customer last night, apparently they had a mouse in
their cooker hood extractor!

Called in at lunchtime & they then reckoned it was a bird. Bloke had
switched the fan on briefly & heard squawks, then the fuse popped.

Took the 'chimney' off, fan was vented to outside via 4" ducting.

Removed that & peered in to find a bird which was no more, he had
ceased to be, expired, shuffled off his mortal coil etc.

Don't know what it was, size between a sparrow & a pigeon.

Checked the vent outside, no way it could have got in there, couldn't
see a break in the ducting

How on earth did it get there?

If it couldn't get in through the external vent *or* through the ducting,
the only other way is from inside the kitchen, that is, someone put it in
there.

However unlikely this seems, once you've ruled out all other scenarios,
this
is all that remains.


What if it hatched there?

It would have died of starvation if it had done,
and something would have had to lay it there.

On Sun, 11 May 2014 09:38:58 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:

What if it hatched there?

It would have died of starvation if it had done,
and something would have had to lay it there.

It has been shown that the egg came first...
--
Peter.
The gods will stay away
whilst religions hold sway

PeterC wrote
Rod Speed wrote

What if it hatched there?

It would have died of starvation if it had done,
and something would have had to lay it there.

It has been shown that the egg came first...

Not with that sort of egg it hasn't.

In message , John Williamson
writes
On 10/05/2014 08:48, Brian Gaff wrote:
I've had birds fly into the kitchen before now. I do not have a cooker hood
though, and normally the minute you appear they beat a hasty retreat.

Your local birds must be brighter than most, who normally try to beat a
retreat through the closed window next to the one they came in through.

Wasps do the same. No matter how many windows you open, they always
insist on trying to get out via the one window you can't open.
--
Ian

On 09/05/2014 20:27, Phil L wrote:
The Medway Handyman wrote:
Got a call from a customer last night, apparently they had a mouse in
their cooker hood extractor!

Called in at lunchtime & they then reckoned it was a bird. Bloke had
switched the fan on briefly & heard squawks, then the fuse popped.

Took the 'chimney' off, fan was vented to outside via 4" ducting.

Removed that & peered in to find a bird which was no more, he had
ceased to be, expired, shuffled off his mortal coil etc.

Don't know what it was, size between a sparrow & a pigeon.

Checked the vent outside, no way it could have got in there, couldn't
see a break in the ducting

How on earth did it get there?

If it couldn't get in through the external vent *or* through the ducting,
the only other way is from inside the kitchen, that is, someone put it in
there.

However unlikely this seems, once you've ruled out all other scenarios, this
is all that remains.

As Sherlock would say; 'Eliminate all other factors, and the one which
remains must be the truth.'

But it was inside the fan chamber. Couldn't have got there from inside,
unless it had tools.




--
Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

On Sun, 11 May 2014 17:40:13 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

PeterC wrote
Rod Speed wrote

What if it hatched there?

It would have died of starvation if it had done,
and something would have had to lay it there.

It has been shown that the egg came first...

Not with that sort of egg it hasn't.

True enough with the latter Mk egg that Mother Nature has developed
over the past 500 to 3500 million years (an Egg Mk 5000 or later?).

The advent of the egg predates the arrival of the bird species known
colloquially as "The Chicken" by at least 500 million years, predating
its dinosaur ancestors by almost that same amount of time.

I think we can safely regard the hypothesis of a bird hatching out of
an egg 'accidently' laid in the cooker hood vent ducting as a
non-starter (you'd still have to account for how a fully grown hen
bird of any species could have got into the ducting).

A more likely, if improbable, route would seem to be ingress into the
kitchen (open door or window) from where the bird may have flown up
into the cooker hood and found or tore itself a gap in the filter to
squeeze through, possibly perching itself amongst or just below the
blades of the fan (the bird must have still been alive when the cooker
hood fan was turned on - sound of squawks and then the fuse popping).

TMH didn't state whether the bird was found wedged into the fan
blades (fuse popping event) or whether it looked as though it had
signs of injury consistent with being sucked through the fan blades
which could have provided the 'hard evidence' in support of the
"ingress via the kitchen" hypothesis as the most likely route to its
demise.

A closer inspection of the cooker hood filter could have revealed a
more probable point of entry by the bird which may have provided TMH
with sufficient evidence to provide a satisfactory enough answer to
his question.

On the basis of the evidence provided, ingress via the kitchen seems
to be the most likely scenario (unless TMH has simply underestimated
the ability of a small bird to squeeze past improbably small gaps in
the vent cowling).
--
Regards, J B Good

On 09/05/2014 18:20, The Medway Handyman wrote:

Checked the vent outside, no way it could have got in there, couldn't
see a break in the ducting

I suggest that you look up the meaning of "vent" in relation to birds.
Specifically, their anatomy.

--
Rod

Johny B Good wrote
Rod Speed wrote
PeterC wrote
Rod Speed wrote

What if it hatched there?

It would have died of starvation if it had done,
and something would have had to lay it there.

It has been shown that the egg came first...

Not with that sort of egg it hasn't.

True enough with the latter Mk egg that Mother Nature has developed
over the past 500 to 3500 million years (an Egg Mk 5000 or later?).

The advent of the egg predates the arrival of the bird species known
colloquially as "The Chicken" by at least 500 million years, predating
its dinosaur ancestors by almost that same amount of time.

I think we can safely regard the hypothesis of a bird hatching
out of an egg 'accidently' laid in the cooker hood vent ducting
as a non-starter (you'd still have to account for how a fully grown
hen bird of any species could have got into the ducting).

Yeah, that's what I meant in my more cryptic original.

A more likely, if improbable, route would seem to be ingress into the
kitchen (open door or window) from where the bird may have flown
up into the cooker hood and found or tore itself a gap in the filter to
squeeze through, possibly perching itself amongst or just below the
blades of the fan (the bird must have still been alive when the cooker
hood fan was turned on - sound of squawks and then the fuse popping).

TMH didn't state whether the bird was found
wedged into the fan blades (fuse popping event)

He has now, that it can't have happened that way.

or whether it looked as though it had signs of injury
consistent with being sucked through the fan blades
which could have provided the 'hard evidence' in
support of the "ingress via the kitchen" hypothesis
as the most likely route to its demise.

Ditto.

A closer inspection of the cooker hood filter could have
revealed a more probable point of entry by the bird which
may have provided TMH with sufficient evidence to provide
a satisfactory enough answer to his question.

Bet there is a hole in the ducting inside the wall cavity.

On the basis of the evidence provided, ingress via
the kitchen seems to be the most likely scenario

Not anymore.

(unless TMH has simply underestimated
the ability of a small bird to squeeze past
improbably small gaps in the vent cowling).

The other possibility is that the owner did take the
outside cover off and the bird got in that way and
the owner had replaced it before TMH showed up.

On 11 May 2014, The Medway Handyman
grunted:

On 09/05/2014 20:27, Phil L wrote:
The Medway Handyman wrote:
Got a call from a customer last night, apparently they had a mouse
in their cooker hood extractor!

Called in at lunchtime & they then reckoned it was a bird. Bloke
had switched the fan on briefly & heard squawks, then the fuse
popped.

[...]

How on earth did it get there?

If it couldn't get in through the external vent *or* through the
ducting, the only other way is from inside the kitchen, that is,
someone put it in there.

However unlikely this seems, once you've ruled out all other
scenarios, this is all that remains.

As Sherlock would say; 'Eliminate all other factors, and the one which
remains must be the truth.'

But it was inside the fan chamber. Couldn't have got there from
inside, unless it had tools.

Well, there's your answer then...

--
David

On 11/05/2014 11:46, Johny B Good wrote:
On Sun, 11 May 2014 17:40:13 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

PeterC wrote
Rod Speed wrote

What if it hatched there?

It would have died of starvation if it had done,
and something would have had to lay it there.

It has been shown that the egg came first...

Not with that sort of egg it hasn't.

True enough with the latter Mk egg that Mother Nature has developed
over the past 500 to 3500 million years (an Egg Mk 5000 or later?).

The advent of the egg predates the arrival of the bird species known
colloquially as "The Chicken" by at least 500 million years, predating
its dinosaur ancestors by almost that same amount of time.

I think we can safely regard the hypothesis of a bird hatching out of
an egg 'accidently' laid in the cooker hood vent ducting as a
non-starter (you'd still have to account for how a fully grown hen
bird of any species could have got into the ducting).

A more likely, if improbable, route would seem to be ingress into the
kitchen (open door or window) from where the bird may have flown up
into the cooker hood and found or tore itself a gap in the filter to
squeeze through, possibly perching itself amongst or just below the
blades of the fan (the bird must have still been alive when the cooker
hood fan was turned on - sound of squawks and then the fuse popping).

No damage to the cooker hood filters at all. The fine mesh metal one
was intact.

TMH didn't state whether the bird was found wedged into the fan
blades (fuse popping event) or whether it looked as though it had
signs of injury consistent with being sucked through the fan blades
which could have provided the 'hard evidence' in support of the
"ingress via the kitchen" hypothesis as the most likely route to its
demise.

It was wedged into the fan and was pretty much intact. It's a
cylindrical fan and the bird was the same length as the width of the fan
- about 8".

A closer inspection of the cooker hood filter could have revealed a
more probable point of entry by the bird which may have provided TMH
with sufficient evidence to provide a satisfactory enough answer to
his question.

Definitely no damage to the filters.

On the basis of the evidence provided, ingress via the kitchen seems
to be the most likely scenario (unless TMH has simply underestimated
the ability of a small bird to squeeze past improbably small gaps in
the vent cowling).


As I said, the bird was sort of halfway between a sparrow and a pigeon
in size.

--
Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

On 11/05/2014 08:26, PeterC wrote:
On Sun, 11 May 2014 09:38:58 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:

What if it hatched there?

It would have died of starvation if it had done,
and something would have had to lay it there.

It has been shown that the egg came first...


Not if you are a creationist.

If you are science based then the egg arrived when life was still
swimming about and birds were still dinosaurs.

On Sun, 11 May 2014 14:25:39 +0100, The Medway Handyman
wrote:

On 11/05/2014 11:46, Johny B Good wrote:
On Sun, 11 May 2014 17:40:13 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

PeterC wrote
Rod Speed wrote

What if it hatched there?

It would have died of starvation if it had done,
and something would have had to lay it there.

It has been shown that the egg came first...

Not with that sort of egg it hasn't.

True enough with the latter Mk egg that Mother Nature has developed
over the past 500 to 3500 million years (an Egg Mk 5000 or later?).

The advent of the egg predates the arrival of the bird species known
colloquially as "The Chicken" by at least 500 million years, predating
its dinosaur ancestors by almost that same amount of time.

I think we can safely regard the hypothesis of a bird hatching out of
an egg 'accidently' laid in the cooker hood vent ducting as a
non-starter (you'd still have to account for how a fully grown hen
bird of any species could have got into the ducting).

A more likely, if improbable, route would seem to be ingress into the
kitchen (open door or window) from where the bird may have flown up
into the cooker hood and found or tore itself a gap in the filter to
squeeze through, possibly perching itself amongst or just below the
blades of the fan (the bird must have still been alive when the cooker
hood fan was turned on - sound of squawks and then the fuse popping).

No damage to the cooker hood filters at all. The fine mesh metal one
was intact.

TMH didn't state whether the bird was found wedged into the fan
blades (fuse popping event) or whether it looked as though it had
signs of injury consistent with being sucked through the fan blades
which could have provided the 'hard evidence' in support of the
"ingress via the kitchen" hypothesis as the most likely route to its
demise.

It was wedged into the fan and was pretty much intact. It's a
cylindrical fan and the bird was the same length as the width of the fan
- about 8".

A closer inspection of the cooker hood filter could have revealed a
more probable point of entry by the bird which may have provided TMH
with sufficient evidence to provide a satisfactory enough answer to
his question.

Definitely no damage to the filters.

On the basis of the evidence provided, ingress via the kitchen seems
to be the most likely scenario (unless TMH has simply underestimated
the ability of a small bird to squeeze past improbably small gaps in
the vent cowling).


As I said, the bird was sort of halfway between a sparrow and a pigeon
in size.

From all the available evidence, the vent cover must have been
removed or dislodged sufficiently to allow the bird to gain entry
sometime within the previous 24 to 48 hours.

Your description ('chimney') suggests a flat roof vent. Either the
owner or his agent had refitted the loose wheather cowling some time
during the preceding 24/48 hours totally unaware that a bird was
trapped in the vent or else some person or persons unknown of a
psycopathic nature had introduced a captured wild bird into the vent
for malicious reasons.

This last is pure conjecture if the owner hadn't done any such
maintenance prior to your visit but there seems very little else left
to explain the situation.
--
Regards, J B Good

On Sun, 11 May 2014 15:42:36 +0100, "dennis@home"
wrote:

On 11/05/2014 08:26, PeterC wrote:
On Sun, 11 May 2014 09:38:58 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:

What if it hatched there?

It would have died of starvation if it had done,
and something would have had to lay it there.

It has been shown that the egg came first...


Not if you are a creationist.

If you are science based then the egg arrived when life was still
swimming about and birds were still dinosaurs.

You should have quit whilst you were still ahead and dropped the last
five words in that sentence. :-)
--
Regards, J B Good

On 11/05/2014 16:15, Johny B Good wrote:
On Sun, 11 May 2014 14:25:39 +0100, The Medway Handyman
wrote:

On 11/05/2014 11:46, Johny B Good wrote:
On Sun, 11 May 2014 17:40:13 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

PeterC wrote
Rod Speed wrote

What if it hatched there?

It would have died of starvation if it had done,
and something would have had to lay it there.

It has been shown that the egg came first...

Not with that sort of egg it hasn't.

True enough with the latter Mk egg that Mother Nature has developed
over the past 500 to 3500 million years (an Egg Mk 5000 or later?).

The advent of the egg predates the arrival of the bird species known
colloquially as "The Chicken" by at least 500 million years, predating
its dinosaur ancestors by almost that same amount of time.

I think we can safely regard the hypothesis of a bird hatching out of
an egg 'accidently' laid in the cooker hood vent ducting as a
non-starter (you'd still have to account for how a fully grown hen
bird of any species could have got into the ducting).

A more likely, if improbable, route would seem to be ingress into the
kitchen (open door or window) from where the bird may have flown up
into the cooker hood and found or tore itself a gap in the filter to
squeeze through, possibly perching itself amongst or just below the
blades of the fan (the bird must have still been alive when the cooker
hood fan was turned on - sound of squawks and then the fuse popping).

No damage to the cooker hood filters at all. The fine mesh metal one
was intact.

TMH didn't state whether the bird was found wedged into the fan
blades (fuse popping event) or whether it looked as though it had
signs of injury consistent with being sucked through the fan blades
which could have provided the 'hard evidence' in support of the
"ingress via the kitchen" hypothesis as the most likely route to its
demise.

It was wedged into the fan and was pretty much intact. It's a
cylindrical fan and the bird was the same length as the width of the fan
- about 8".

A closer inspection of the cooker hood filter could have revealed a
more probable point of entry by the bird which may have provided TMH
with sufficient evidence to provide a satisfactory enough answer to
his question.

Definitely no damage to the filters.

On the basis of the evidence provided, ingress via the kitchen seems
to be the most likely scenario (unless TMH has simply underestimated
the ability of a small bird to squeeze past improbably small gaps in
the vent cowling).


As I said, the bird was sort of halfway between a sparrow and a pigeon
in size.

From all the available evidence, the vent cover must have been
removed or dislodged sufficiently to allow the bird to gain entry
sometime within the previous 24 to 48 hours.

Your description ('chimney') suggests a flat roof vent. Either the
owner or his agent had refitted the loose wheather cowling some time
during the preceding 24/48 hours totally unaware that a bird was
trapped in the vent or else some person or persons unknown of a
psycopathic nature had introduced a captured wild bird into the vent
for malicious reasons.

Sorry, by 'chimney' I mean the stainless steel cover on top of the hood,
which hides the ducting.

The outside vent was similar to this;
http://www.screwfix.com/p/manrose-lo...-x-140mm/11066

The middle bit can be levered out with a screwdriver.

This last is pure conjecture if the owner hadn't done any such
maintenance prior to your visit but there seems very little else left
to explain the situation.

A two pipe problem....

--
Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

On Sun, 11 May 2014 16:42:30 +0100, The Medway Handyman
wrote:

On 11/05/2014 16:15, Johny B Good wrote:
On Sun, 11 May 2014 14:25:39 +0100, The Medway Handyman
wrote:

On 11/05/2014 11:46, Johny B Good wrote:
On Sun, 11 May 2014 17:40:13 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

PeterC wrote
Rod Speed wrote

What if it hatched there?

It would have died of starvation if it had done,
and something would have had to lay it there.

It has been shown that the egg came first...

Not with that sort of egg it hasn't.

True enough with the latter Mk egg that Mother Nature has developed
over the past 500 to 3500 million years (an Egg Mk 5000 or later?).

The advent of the egg predates the arrival of the bird species known
colloquially as "The Chicken" by at least 500 million years, predating
its dinosaur ancestors by almost that same amount of time.

I think we can safely regard the hypothesis of a bird hatching out of
an egg 'accidently' laid in the cooker hood vent ducting as a
non-starter (you'd still have to account for how a fully grown hen
bird of any species could have got into the ducting).

A more likely, if improbable, route would seem to be ingress into the
kitchen (open door or window) from where the bird may have flown up
into the cooker hood and found or tore itself a gap in the filter to
squeeze through, possibly perching itself amongst or just below the
blades of the fan (the bird must have still been alive when the cooker
hood fan was turned on - sound of squawks and then the fuse popping).

No damage to the cooker hood filters at all. The fine mesh metal one
was intact.

TMH didn't state whether the bird was found wedged into the fan
blades (fuse popping event) or whether it looked as though it had
signs of injury consistent with being sucked through the fan blades
which could have provided the 'hard evidence' in support of the
"ingress via the kitchen" hypothesis as the most likely route to its
demise.

It was wedged into the fan and was pretty much intact. It's a
cylindrical fan and the bird was the same length as the width of the fan
- about 8".

A closer inspection of the cooker hood filter could have revealed a
more probable point of entry by the bird which may have provided TMH
with sufficient evidence to provide a satisfactory enough answer to
his question.

Definitely no damage to the filters.

On the basis of the evidence provided, ingress via the kitchen seems
to be the most likely scenario (unless TMH has simply underestimated
the ability of a small bird to squeeze past improbably small gaps in
the vent cowling).


As I said, the bird was sort of halfway between a sparrow and a pigeon
in size.

From all the available evidence, the vent cover must have been
removed or dislodged sufficiently to allow the bird to gain entry
sometime within the previous 24 to 48 hours.

Your description ('chimney') suggests a flat roof vent. Either the
owner or his agent had refitted the loose wheather cowling some time
during the preceding 24/48 hours totally unaware that a bird was
trapped in the vent or else some person or persons unknown of a
psycopathic nature had introduced a captured wild bird into the vent
for malicious reasons.

Sorry, by 'chimney' I mean the stainless steel cover on top of the hood,
which hides the ducting.

The outside vent was similar to this;
http://www.screwfix.com/p/manrose-lo...-x-140mm/11066

The middle bit can be levered out with a screwdriver.

That's more informative. The louvres seem to on a 1.4cm pitch which
suggests (assuming a 45 deg angle) a 1cm gap through which a small
bird might possibly have squeezed itself through but it begs the
question as to what could motivate a small bird to go to such lengths
to gain such entry.

An ornithologist might have a better idea as to what sort of gap
something about the size of, say, a blackbird fledgling, could squeeze
itself through. Even assuming a bird had managed to squeeze through
the louvre, it does rather beg the question as to why it didn't
squeeze its way back out again.


This last is pure conjecture if the owner hadn't done any such
maintenance prior to your visit but there seems very little else left
to explain the situation.

A two pipe problem....

In what sense?
--
Regards, J B Good

On 11/05/2014 18:02, Johny B Good wrote:
On Sun, 11 May 2014 16:42:30 +0100, The Medway Handyman
wrote:

On 11/05/2014 16:15, Johny B Good wrote:
On Sun, 11 May 2014 14:25:39 +0100, The Medway Handyman
wrote:

On 11/05/2014 11:46, Johny B Good wrote:
On Sun, 11 May 2014 17:40:13 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

PeterC wrote
Rod Speed wrote

What if it hatched there?

It would have died of starvation if it had done,
and something would have had to lay it there.

It has been shown that the egg came first...

Not with that sort of egg it hasn't.

True enough with the latter Mk egg that Mother Nature has developed
over the past 500 to 3500 million years (an Egg Mk 5000 or later?).

The advent of the egg predates the arrival of the bird species known
colloquially as "The Chicken" by at least 500 million years, predating
its dinosaur ancestors by almost that same amount of time.

I think we can safely regard the hypothesis of a bird hatching out of
an egg 'accidently' laid in the cooker hood vent ducting as a
non-starter (you'd still have to account for how a fully grown hen
bird of any species could have got into the ducting).

A more likely, if improbable, route would seem to be ingress into the
kitchen (open door or window) from where the bird may have flown up
into the cooker hood and found or tore itself a gap in the filter to
squeeze through, possibly perching itself amongst or just below the
blades of the fan (the bird must have still been alive when the cooker
hood fan was turned on - sound of squawks and then the fuse popping).

No damage to the cooker hood filters at all. The fine mesh metal one
was intact.

TMH didn't state whether the bird was found wedged into the fan
blades (fuse popping event) or whether it looked as though it had
signs of injury consistent with being sucked through the fan blades
which could have provided the 'hard evidence' in support of the
"ingress via the kitchen" hypothesis as the most likely route to its
demise.

It was wedged into the fan and was pretty much intact. It's a
cylindrical fan and the bird was the same length as the width of the fan
- about 8".

A closer inspection of the cooker hood filter could have revealed a
more probable point of entry by the bird which may have provided TMH
with sufficient evidence to provide a satisfactory enough answer to
his question.

Definitely no damage to the filters.

On the basis of the evidence provided, ingress via the kitchen seems
to be the most likely scenario (unless TMH has simply underestimated
the ability of a small bird to squeeze past improbably small gaps in
the vent cowling).


As I said, the bird was sort of halfway between a sparrow and a pigeon
in size.

From all the available evidence, the vent cover must have been
removed or dislodged sufficiently to allow the bird to gain entry
sometime within the previous 24 to 48 hours.

Your description ('chimney') suggests a flat roof vent. Either the
owner or his agent had refitted the loose wheather cowling some time
during the preceding 24/48 hours totally unaware that a bird was
trapped in the vent or else some person or persons unknown of a
psycopathic nature had introduced a captured wild bird into the vent
for malicious reasons.

Sorry, by 'chimney' I mean the stainless steel cover on top of the hood,
which hides the ducting.

The outside vent was similar to this;
http://www.screwfix.com/p/manrose-lo...-x-140mm/11066

The middle bit can be levered out with a screwdriver.

That's more informative. The louvres seem to on a 1.4cm pitch which
suggests (assuming a 45 deg angle) a 1cm gap through which a small
bird might possibly have squeezed itself through but it begs the
question as to what could motivate a small bird to go to such lengths
to gain such entry.

Looking for a safe nest site?

An ornithologist might have a better idea as to what sort of gap
something about the size of, say, a blackbird fledgling, could squeeze
itself through. Even assuming a bird had managed to squeeze through
the louvre, it does rather beg the question as to why it didn't
squeeze its way back out again.

It panicked and damaged itself?


This last is pure conjecture if the owner hadn't done any such
maintenance prior to your visit but there seems very little else left
to explain the situation.

A two pipe problem....

In what sense?

Sherlock Holmes.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

On 11/05/2014 16:30, Johny B Good wrote:
On Sun, 11 May 2014 15:42:36 +0100, "dennis@home"
wrote:


If you are science based then the egg arrived when life was still
swimming about and birds were still dinosaurs.

You should have quit whilst you were still ahead and dropped the last
five words in that sentence. :-)


What's wrong with them?

Andy

"Johny B Good" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 11 May 2014 14:25:39 +0100, The Medway Handyman
wrote:

On 11/05/2014 11:46, Johny B Good wrote:
On Sun, 11 May 2014 17:40:13 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

PeterC wrote
Rod Speed wrote

What if it hatched there?

It would have died of starvation if it had done,
and something would have had to lay it there.

It has been shown that the egg came first...

Not with that sort of egg it hasn't.

True enough with the latter Mk egg that Mother Nature has developed
over the past 500 to 3500 million years (an Egg Mk 5000 or later?).

The advent of the egg predates the arrival of the bird species known
colloquially as "The Chicken" by at least 500 million years, predating
its dinosaur ancestors by almost that same amount of time.

I think we can safely regard the hypothesis of a bird hatching out of
an egg 'accidently' laid in the cooker hood vent ducting as a
non-starter (you'd still have to account for how a fully grown hen
bird of any species could have got into the ducting).

A more likely, if improbable, route would seem to be ingress into the
kitchen (open door or window) from where the bird may have flown up
into the cooker hood and found or tore itself a gap in the filter to
squeeze through, possibly perching itself amongst or just below the
blades of the fan (the bird must have still been alive when the cooker
hood fan was turned on - sound of squawks and then the fuse popping).

No damage to the cooker hood filters at all. The fine mesh metal one
was intact.

TMH didn't state whether the bird was found wedged into the fan
blades (fuse popping event) or whether it looked as though it had
signs of injury consistent with being sucked through the fan blades
which could have provided the 'hard evidence' in support of the
"ingress via the kitchen" hypothesis as the most likely route to its
demise.

It was wedged into the fan and was pretty much intact. It's a
cylindrical fan and the bird was the same length as the width of the fan
- about 8".

A closer inspection of the cooker hood filter could have revealed a
more probable point of entry by the bird which may have provided TMH
with sufficient evidence to provide a satisfactory enough answer to
his question.

Definitely no damage to the filters.

On the basis of the evidence provided, ingress via the kitchen seems
to be the most likely scenario (unless TMH has simply underestimated
the ability of a small bird to squeeze past improbably small gaps in
the vent cowling).


As I said, the bird was sort of halfway between a sparrow and a pigeon
in size.

From all the available evidence, the vent cover must have been
removed or dislodged sufficiently to allow the bird to gain entry
sometime within the previous 24 to 48 hours.

Your description ('chimney') suggests a flat roof vent. Either the
owner or his agent had refitted the loose wheather cowling some time
during the preceding 24/48 hours totally unaware that a bird was
trapped in the vent or else some person or persons unknown of a
psycopathic nature had introduced a captured wild bird into the vent
for malicious reasons.

This last is pure conjecture if the owner hadn't done any such
maintenance prior to your visit but there seems very little else left
to explain the situation.

The other obvious possibility is a hole in the duct in the wall cavity.

On Sun, 11 May 2014 09:38:58 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:


It would have died of starvation if it had done,
and something would have had to lay it there.

There are multiple accounts of frogs being found alive inside hollow
stones that have been broken open. They typically aren't in terribly
good shape and die soon after being liberated. If that can happen then
just about anything's possible!

On Fri, 09 May 2014 18:20:04 +0100, The Medway Handyman
wrote:


How on earth did it get there?

There's another possibility, albeit remote and bizar an aport!

http://paranormal.about.com/od/polte...Activity_3.htm

Cursitor Doom wrote
Rod Speed wrote

It would have died of starvation if it had done,
and something would have had to lay it there.

There are multiple accounts of frogs being found alive
inside hollow stones that have been broken open.

There are multiple accounts of being taken by aliens
and having been experimented on by them too.

They typically aren't in terribly good shape
and die soon after being liberated. If that can
happen then just about anything's possible!

Birds' eggs are very different to frogs.

On Sun, 11 May 2014 18:58:07 +0100, John Williamson
wrote:

On 11/05/2014 18:02, Johny B Good wrote:
On Sun, 11 May 2014 16:42:30 +0100, The Medway Handyman
wrote:

On 11/05/2014 16:15, Johny B Good wrote:
On Sun, 11 May 2014 14:25:39 +0100, The Medway Handyman
wrote:

On 11/05/2014 11:46, Johny B Good wrote:
On Sun, 11 May 2014 17:40:13 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

PeterC wrote
Rod Speed wrote

What if it hatched there?

It would have died of starvation if it had done,
and something would have had to lay it there.

It has been shown that the egg came first...

Not with that sort of egg it hasn't.

True enough with the latter Mk egg that Mother Nature has developed
over the past 500 to 3500 million years (an Egg Mk 5000 or later?).

The advent of the egg predates the arrival of the bird species known
colloquially as "The Chicken" by at least 500 million years, predating
its dinosaur ancestors by almost that same amount of time.

I think we can safely regard the hypothesis of a bird hatching out of
an egg 'accidently' laid in the cooker hood vent ducting as a
non-starter (you'd still have to account for how a fully grown hen
bird of any species could have got into the ducting).

A more likely, if improbable, route would seem to be ingress into the
kitchen (open door or window) from where the bird may have flown up
into the cooker hood and found or tore itself a gap in the filter to
squeeze through, possibly perching itself amongst or just below the
blades of the fan (the bird must have still been alive when the cooker
hood fan was turned on - sound of squawks and then the fuse popping).

No damage to the cooker hood filters at all. The fine mesh metal one
was intact.

TMH didn't state whether the bird was found wedged into the fan
blades (fuse popping event) or whether it looked as though it had
signs of injury consistent with being sucked through the fan blades
which could have provided the 'hard evidence' in support of the
"ingress via the kitchen" hypothesis as the most likely route to its
demise.

It was wedged into the fan and was pretty much intact. It's a
cylindrical fan and the bird was the same length as the width of the fan
- about 8".

A closer inspection of the cooker hood filter could have revealed a
more probable point of entry by the bird which may have provided TMH
with sufficient evidence to provide a satisfactory enough answer to
his question.

Definitely no damage to the filters.

On the basis of the evidence provided, ingress via the kitchen seems
to be the most likely scenario (unless TMH has simply underestimated
the ability of a small bird to squeeze past improbably small gaps in
the vent cowling).


As I said, the bird was sort of halfway between a sparrow and a pigeon
in size.

From all the available evidence, the vent cover must have been
removed or dislodged sufficiently to allow the bird to gain entry
sometime within the previous 24 to 48 hours.

Your description ('chimney') suggests a flat roof vent. Either the
owner or his agent had refitted the loose wheather cowling some time
during the preceding 24/48 hours totally unaware that a bird was
trapped in the vent or else some person or persons unknown of a
psycopathic nature had introduced a captured wild bird into the vent
for malicious reasons.

Sorry, by 'chimney' I mean the stainless steel cover on top of the hood,
which hides the ducting.

The outside vent was similar to this;
http://www.screwfix.com/p/manrose-lo...-x-140mm/11066

The middle bit can be levered out with a screwdriver.

That's more informative. The louvres seem to on a 1.4cm pitch which
suggests (assuming a 45 deg angle) a 1cm gap through which a small
bird might possibly have squeezed itself through but it begs the
question as to what could motivate a small bird to go to such lengths
to gain such entry.

Looking for a safe nest site?

That sounds quite plausible unless an ornithologist cares to jump in
with an objection.


An ornithologist might have a better idea as to what sort of gap
something about the size of, say, a blackbird fledgling, could squeeze
itself through. Even assuming a bird had managed to squeeze through
the louvre, it does rather beg the question as to why it didn't
squeeze its way back out again.

It panicked and damaged itself?

Another plausible explanation (assuming it had managed to sqeeze
itself through the louvres in the first place). Unless a bird expert
says otherwise, I'd accept that as the most likely possibilty, at
least for now.



This last is pure conjecture if the owner hadn't done any such
maintenance prior to your visit but there seems very little else left
to explain the situation.

A two pipe problem....

In what sense?

Sherlock Holmes.

Just as I was reviewing my post, it finally struck me that it was
most likely to be a smoking pipe reference rather than a ventillation
pipework one. :-)
--
Regards, J B Good

On Sun, 11 May 2014 21:02:44 +0100, Vir Campestris
wrote:

On 11/05/2014 16:30, Johny B Good wrote:
On Sun, 11 May 2014 15:42:36 +0100, "dennis@home"
wrote:


If you are science based then the egg arrived when life was still
swimming about and birds were still dinosaurs.

You should have quit whilst you were still ahead and dropped the last
five words in that sentence. :-)


What's wrong with them?


The advent of "The Egg" in nature precedes even the dinosaur age
which precludes it arriving _with_ the first appearance of the
dinosaurs. The MK1 Egg precedes even the sea creatures from which the
dinosaurs had evolved from.
--
Regards, J B Good

On 11/05/2014 21:49, Rod Speed wrote:


"Johny B Good" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 11 May 2014 14:25:39 +0100, The Medway Handyman
wrote:

On 11/05/2014 11:46, Johny B Good wrote:
On Sun, 11 May 2014 17:40:13 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

PeterC wrote
Rod Speed wrote

What if it hatched there?

It would have died of starvation if it had done,
and something would have had to lay it there.

It has been shown that the egg came first...

Not with that sort of egg it hasn't.

True enough with the latter Mk egg that Mother Nature has developed
over the past 500 to 3500 million years (an Egg Mk 5000 or later?).

The advent of the egg predates the arrival of the bird species known
colloquially as "The Chicken" by at least 500 million years, predating
its dinosaur ancestors by almost that same amount of time.

I think we can safely regard the hypothesis of a bird hatching out of
an egg 'accidently' laid in the cooker hood vent ducting as a
non-starter (you'd still have to account for how a fully grown hen
bird of any species could have got into the ducting).

A more likely, if improbable, route would seem to be ingress into the
kitchen (open door or window) from where the bird may have flown up
into the cooker hood and found or tore itself a gap in the filter to
squeeze through, possibly perching itself amongst or just below the
blades of the fan (the bird must have still been alive when the cooker
hood fan was turned on - sound of squawks and then the fuse popping).

No damage to the cooker hood filters at all. The fine mesh metal one
was intact.

TMH didn't state whether the bird was found wedged into the fan
blades (fuse popping event) or whether it looked as though it had
signs of injury consistent with being sucked through the fan blades
which could have provided the 'hard evidence' in support of the
"ingress via the kitchen" hypothesis as the most likely route to its
demise.

It was wedged into the fan and was pretty much intact. It's a
cylindrical fan and the bird was the same length as the width of the fan
- about 8".

A closer inspection of the cooker hood filter could have revealed a
more probable point of entry by the bird which may have provided TMH
with sufficient evidence to provide a satisfactory enough answer to
his question.

Definitely no damage to the filters.

On the basis of the evidence provided, ingress via the kitchen seems
to be the most likely scenario (unless TMH has simply underestimated
the ability of a small bird to squeeze past improbably small gaps in
the vent cowling).


As I said, the bird was sort of halfway between a sparrow and a pigeon
in size.

From all the available evidence, the vent cover must have been
removed or dislodged sufficiently to allow the bird to gain entry
sometime within the previous 24 to 48 hours.

Your description ('chimney') suggests a flat roof vent. Either the
owner or his agent had refitted the loose wheather cowling some time
during the preceding 24/48 hours totally unaware that a bird was
trapped in the vent or else some person or persons unknown of a
psycopathic nature had introduced a captured wild bird into the vent
for malicious reasons.

This last is pure conjecture if the owner hadn't done any such
maintenance prior to your visit but there seems very little else left
to explain the situation.

The other obvious possibility is a hole in the duct in the wall cavity.

That was my theory, but the houses are about 10 years old & I would have
expected insulation in the cavity. Plus I looked at the soffits &
fascias (only from the ground) and couldn't see a way in.

--
Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

On Sun, 11 May 2014 16:42:30 +0100, The Medway Handyman wrote:

A two pipe problem....

When the noise was heard it could have been a bird or something else; it
became a bird only when you looked, thus it didn't get in there - you caused
it to be there by thinking that it might be a bird and looking.

You are Schrödinger AICMFP.
--
Peter.
The gods will stay away
whilst religions hold sway