Here's the scenario,

IPhone 4 using Wife built into BT Home Hub (Router). Web browsing, Youtube etc is all reasonable "speed", BtInternet emal (POP) comes down lightening fast (though I don't get much to that address) POP from connectfree.co.uk and imap from uk2.net are like watching very slow dying paint dry.

UK2 and Connectfree (at least one of which uses someone who knows thier stuff on tech support) recon the problem isn't thier end, I haven't yet rung BT's "Technical Support" as I value my sanity.

Does anyone know if they are deliberately or otherwise slowing this stuff down (doing extra virus checking maybe, or just routing it through slow servers, routers, etc, etc?

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Here's the scenario,
IPhone 4 using Wife built into BT Home Hub (Router). Web browsing, Youtube etc is all reasonable "speed", BtInternet emal (POP) comes down lightening fast (though I don't get much to that address) POP from connectfree.co.uk and imap from uk2.net are like watching very slow dying paint dry.
UK2 and Connectfree (at least one of which uses someone who knows thier stuff on tech support) recon the problem isn't thier end, I haven't yet rung BT's "Technical Support" as I value my sanity.
Does anyone know if they are deliberately or otherwise slowing this stuff down (doing extra virus checking maybe, or just routing it through slow servers, routers, etc, etc?

If I was investigating this, I would capture a packet trace, and look
at the timings, to see who is waiting for who at the various stages of
the transaction.

I doubt BT would shape POP3 access, but they will probably have much
better connections to their own servers than those accessed through
peering, much of which will be out of their control.

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On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 03:53:48 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

Does anyone know if they are deliberately or otherwise slowing this
stuff down (doing extra virus checking maybe, or just routing it through
slow servers, routers, etc, etc?

Isn't one of BT's big marketing slogans "we will never slow you down"
OWTTE?

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wrote:

Here's the scenario,

IPhone 4 using Wife built into BT Home Hub (Router).

Thank-goodness that's a BT router rather than a Virgin one, then, if it's
where you keep your wife.

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(Andrew Gabriel) wrote:

If I was investigating this, I would capture a packet trace...

I've got a problem at the moment where when my new LAN router (an Asus
RT-N66U) is rebooted a couple of minutes later a network printer starts to
print off sheet after sheet of alphabet soup. Even if I reduce the devices
on the LAN to just cable modem, router & printer, this still happens.

ASUS support have yet to provide any useful suggestions.

The router does have a built-in print server which I've disabled as it's
meant to service a USB-attached printer, whereas mine is standalone
elsewhere on the network.

I was wondering how I might try to intercept all network traffic between
router and printer to try to find out what is causing this. I'm assuming
that the router is doing some sort of device discovery on the network and -
for some reason - the printer is printing whatever is being sent to it as if
it were print data rather than Q&A.

Do you have any suggestions?

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I think ffirst of all you need to try it on another network preferable where
someone has already got one network printer. if it still happens, then the
printer is at fault. if not then the problem has to be in your neetwork.
Brian

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"Jeremy Nicoll - news posts" wrote
in message nvalid...
(Andrew Gabriel) wrote:

If I was investigating this, I would capture a packet trace...

I've got a problem at the moment where when my new LAN router (an Asus
RT-N66U) is rebooted a couple of minutes later a network printer starts to
print off sheet after sheet of alphabet soup. Even if I reduce the
devices
on the LAN to just cable modem, router & printer, this still happens.

ASUS support have yet to provide any useful suggestions.

The router does have a built-in print server which I've disabled as it's
meant to service a USB-attached printer, whereas mine is standalone
elsewhere on the network.

I was wondering how I might try to intercept all network traffic between
router and printer to try to find out what is causing this. I'm assuming
that the router is doing some sort of device discovery on the network
and -
for some reason - the printer is printing whatever is being sent to it as
if
it were print data rather than Q&A.

Do you have any suggestions?

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"Brian Gaff" wrote:

I think ffirst of all you need to try it on another network preferable
where someone has already got one network printer. if it still happens,
then the printer is at fault. if not then the problem has to be in your
neetwork. Brian

Well, the network ran for years using a Draytek router, with no problems
except that that router was old & slow. As soon as I changed the router the
problem started.

The printer itself prints fine, even with the new router in place. But for
now I'm keeping the printer switched off (oh so convenient!) because
otherwise a mains blip at any time I'm not in the room could waste lots of
paper.

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Jeremy Nicoll - news posts laid this down on his screen :
(Andrew Gabriel) wrote:

If I was investigating this, I would capture a packet trace...

I've got a problem at the moment where when my new LAN router (an Asus
RT-N66U) is rebooted a couple of minutes later a network printer starts to
print off sheet after sheet of alphabet soup. Even if I reduce the devices
on the LAN to just cable modem, router & printer, this still happens.

ASUS support have yet to provide any useful suggestions.

The router does have a built-in print server which I've disabled as it's
meant to service a USB-attached printer, whereas mine is standalone
elsewhere on the network.

I was wondering how I might try to intercept all network traffic between
router and printer to try to find out what is causing this. I'm assuming
that the router is doing some sort of device discovery on the network and -
for some reason - the printer is printing whatever is being sent to it as if
it were print data rather than Q&A.

Do you have any suggestions?

I've got the same router (excellent bit of kit IMHO) and had no
problems whatsoever using an Epson Stylus Office BX525WD with it via
wifi.

I think I'd try uninstalling and reinstalling printer drivers first.

On Wednesday, 30 April 2014 16:24:26 UTC+1, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , wrote: Here's the scenario, What the **** does "strangulating" mean? -- "If you're not able to ask questions and deal with the answers without feeling that someone has called your intelligence or competence into question, don't ask questions on Usenet where the answers won't be carefully tailored to avoid tripping your hair-trigger insecurities." - D M Procida, UCSM

According to:

http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/774140-overview

"A strangulated obstruction is a surgical emergency. In patients with a complete
small-bowel obstruction (SBO), the risk of strangulation is high...."

Basically, something is getting strangaled

In this case, my email! It has been tried on other WiFi, and it's much much better.

On 30/04/14 11:53, wrote:
Does anyone know if they are deliberately or otherwise slowing this
stuff down (doing extra virus checking maybe, or just routing it
through slow servers, routers, etc, etc?

It would be strange if they were not.

BT is now a content provider: they will prioritise their content over
anyone elses and they will prioritise 'web' which is real time over
mail. which is not.

Its very easy. Look at the packet header. It its from BT front of the
queue if its someone else, behind BT stuff , if its non real time back
of the queue.

Saves buying bandwidth for the few customers that actually notice..


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wrote:
Here's the scenario,

IPhone 4 using Wife built into BT Home Hub (Router). Web browsing,
Youtube etc is all reasonable "speed", BtInternet emal (POP) comes down
lightening fast (though I don't get much to that address) POP from
connectfree.co.uk and imap from uk2.net are like watching very slow
dying paint dry.

UK2 and Connectfree (at least one of which uses someone who knows thier
stuff on tech support) recon the problem isn't thier end, I haven't yet
rung BT's "Technical Support" as I value my sanity.

Does anyone know if they are deliberately or otherwise slowing this
stuff down (doing extra virus checking maybe, or just routing it through
slow servers, routers, etc, etc?

I have BT too and my main mailbox is @pophost.123-reg.co.uk. If anything,
it's my BT one (hardly used) which is sometimes slow.

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Steve wrote:

Jeremy Nicoll - news posts laid this down on his screen :
(Andrew Gabriel) wrote:

If I was investigating this, I would capture a packet trace...

I've got a problem at the moment where when my new LAN router (an Asus
RT-N66U) is rebooted a couple of minutes later a network printer starts
to print off sheet after sheet of alphabet soup. Even if I reduce the
devices on the LAN to just cable modem, router & printer, this still
happens.

ASUS support have yet to provide any useful suggestions.

The router does have a built-in print server which I've disabled as it's
meant to service a USB-attached printer, whereas mine is standalone
elsewhere on the network.

I was wondering how I might try to intercept all network traffic between
router and printer to try to find out what is causing this. I'm assuming
that the router is doing some sort of device discovery on the network and
-
for some reason - the printer is printing whatever is being sent to it as
if
it were print data rather than Q&A.

Do you have any suggestions?

I've got the same router (excellent bit of kit IMHO) and had no problems
whatsoever using an Epson Stylus Office BX525WD with it via wifi.

I think I'd try uninstalling and reinstalling printer drivers first.

Just to clarify - how does print data reach your Epson? Is it travelling
from a wifi adapter in your PC directly to the printer, or is it going (by
wifi or cable) to the router and then by wifi to the printer? Is the
router's print-server app (which I thought was just for USB-attached
devices) involved?



I'm talking about a printer that's got a network card in it and sits on the
LAN, independent of the router (except that obviously print data gets sent
to the printer across the LAN).

Print drivers (installed under, say, Windows) should be irrelevant because
the problem happens when there are ONLY a cable modem, the router and the
printer connected to each other - that is with NO PCs on the LAN at all, if
the router is then rebooted.

I'm not using WiFi at all at the moment.

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Jeremy Nicoll - news posts wrote:

I've got a problem at the moment where when my new LAN router (an Asus
RT-N66U) is rebooted a couple of minutes later a network printer starts to
print off sheet after sheet of alphabet soup.

If UPnP is enabled on the router, try turning it off. If you have any
unnecessary protocols (Appletalk, SNA, Netware etc) enabled on the
printer turn those off.

Does the goobleygook start if the printer is off when the router is
rebooted and then the printer turned on later?

On 30/04/2014 13:50, Jeremy Nicoll - news posts wrote:
(Andrew Gabriel) wrote:

If I was investigating this, I would capture a packet trace...

I've got a problem at the moment where when my new LAN router (an Asus
RT-N66U) is rebooted a couple of minutes later a network printer starts to
print off sheet after sheet of alphabet soup. Even if I reduce the devices
on the LAN to just cable modem, router & printer, this still happens.

ASUS support have yet to provide any useful suggestions.

The router does have a built-in print server which I've disabled as it's
meant to service a USB-attached printer, whereas mine is standalone
elsewhere on the network.

I was wondering how I might try to intercept all network traffic between
router and printer to try to find out what is causing this. I'm assuming
that the router is doing some sort of device discovery on the network and -
for some reason - the printer is printing whatever is being sent to it as if
it were print data rather than Q&A.

Do you have any suggestions?


wireshark is supposed to be good for packet tracing.... google for wireshark

Stephen wrote:

Jeremy Nicoll wrote:

I was wondering how I might try to intercept all network traffic between
router and printer to try to find out what is causing this.

wireshark is supposed to be good for packet tracing....

It is, but on a "home" type network, you'll be unlikely to have the
mirroring capability to let computer "A" see all the traffic that's
going between router "B" and printer "C", the switch will only send that
traffic between devices B and C, and not to device A.

Andy Burns wrote:

Jeremy Nicoll - news posts wrote:

I've got a problem at the moment where when my new LAN router (an Asus
RT-N66U) is rebooted a couple of minutes later a network printer starts
to print off sheet after sheet of alphabet soup.

If UPnP is enabled on the router, try turning it off.

I have done, along with anything else that seemed irrelevant - though some
parts of the router GUI don't work properly (my firefox console shows syntax
errors in the Javascript on the config pages - something else I'm trying to
get Asus to recognise). So I'm not certain they're all properly off.

If you have any unnecessary protocols (Appletalk, SNA, Netware etc)
enabled on the printer turn those off.

I don't know if that's possible. The printer (a Kyocera) has an 'Ecolink'
network interface that understands multiple protocols, but nothing in its
manual suggested (to me) that it was possible to deactivate any of them.


Does the goobleygook start if the printer is off when the router is
rebooted and then the printer turned on later?

That's a good question... I don't know, yet.

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On 30/04/14 18:13, Stephen wrote:


wireshark is supposed to be good for packet tracing.... google for
wireshark

It's very good because it has superb protocol decoding. The sort of
thing that used to cost 1000s is now free

Jeremy Nicoll - news posts wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

Does the goobleygook start if the printer is off when the router is
rebooted and then the printer turned on later?

That's a good question... I don't know, yet.

I've tried this now. No gobbledygook ensues. I suppose it means that (if
neither Asus nor Kyocera can find a solution - I've not even had a 'thanks
for emailing us' from Kyocera yet though) that I can live with the problem
by keeping the printer switched off except for when I'm about to use it.

I guess that's the 'green' approach anyway, but much less convenient than
having a sleeping printer wake-up when needed.

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