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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-26552056
If they were in it together then why the mansluaghter charge? Listening to the local radio suggests that they did not know the power would be restored after 3 minutes. He also reported his son as missing later that evening. It just seems an odd case. -- Adam |
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ARW wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-26552056 If they were in it together then why the mansluaghter charge? Prosecution calls him the ringleader or says he incited the other and there's no-one to contradict. The father isn't a reliable witness - he ran away from the scene. -- Scott Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket? |
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says... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-26552056 If they were in it together then why the mansluaghter charge? Listening to the local radio suggests that they did not know the power would be restored after 3 minutes. He also reported his son as missing later that evening. It just seems an odd case. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manslau...in_English_law "Involuntary manslaughter arises where the accused did not intend to cause death or serious injury but caused the death of another through recklessness or criminal negligence. For these purposes, recklessness is defined as a blatant disregard for the dangers of a particular situation." -- Sam |
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... In article , says... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-26552056 If they were in it together then why the mansluaghter charge? Listening to the local radio suggests that they did not know the power would be restored after 3 minutes. He also reported his son as missing later that evening. It just seems an odd case. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manslau...in_English_law "Involuntary manslaughter arises where the accused did not intend to cause death or serious injury but caused the death of another through recklessness or criminal negligence. For these purposes, recklessness is defined as a blatant disregard for the dangers of a particular situation." That's fine for a normal manslaughter charge. But they were both in it together - they both knew the risks and both decided to take those risks. Shaun only escaped death by a whisker. -- Adam |
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writes "Sam Plusnet" wrote in message .. . In article , says... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-26552056 If they were in it together then why the mansluaghter charge? Listening to the local radio suggests that they did not know the power would be restored after 3 minutes. He also reported his son as missing later that evening. It just seems an odd case. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manslau...in_English_law "Involuntary manslaughter arises where the accused did not intend to cause death or serious injury but caused the death of another through recklessness or criminal negligence. For these purposes, recklessness is defined as a blatant disregard for the dangers of a particular situation." That's fine for a normal manslaughter charge. But they were both in it together - they both knew the risks and both decided to take those risks. Shaun only escaped death by a whisker. One of them died as a result of a crime that both of them committed so I'd say guilty as charged. Even if the dead one did all the chopping then they formed a joint enterprise so would be equally guilty. I'm sure you can guess that I'm not a lawyer :-). -- fred it's a ba-na-na . . . . |
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On 27/03/2014 21:07, fred wrote:
In article , ARW writes "Sam Plusnet" wrote in message ... In article , says... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-26552056 If they were in it together then why the mansluaghter charge? Listening to the local radio suggests that they did not know the power would be restored after 3 minutes. He also reported his son as missing later that evening. It just seems an odd case. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manslau...in_English_law "Involuntary manslaughter arises where the accused did not intend to cause death or serious injury but caused the death of another through recklessness or criminal negligence. For these purposes, recklessness is defined as a blatant disregard for the dangers of a particular situation." That's fine for a normal manslaughter charge. But they were both in it together - they both knew the risks and both decided to take those risks. Shaun only escaped death by a whisker. One of them died as a result of a crime that both of them committed so I'd say guilty as charged. Even if the dead one did all the chopping then they formed a joint enterprise so would be equally guilty. I'm sure you can guess that I'm not a lawyer :-). The prosecution probably figured they could stick him away for longer on that charge than that alternative for theft. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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Rumm writes On 27/03/2014 21:07, fred wrote: In article , ARW writes That's fine for a normal manslaughter charge. But they were both in it together - they both knew the risks and both decided to take those risks. Shaun only escaped death by a whisker. One of them died as a result of a crime that both of them committed so I'd say guilty as charged. Even if the dead one did all the chopping then they formed a joint enterprise so would be equally guilty. I'm sure you can guess that I'm not a lawyer :-). The prosecution probably figured they could stick him away for longer on that charge than that alternative for theft. I don't think it's any kind of vindictiveness, as that situation might imply, I think he's bang to rights for killing his son. -- fred it's a ba-na-na . . . . |
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On Thursday, 27 March 2014 21:07:43 UTC, fred wrote:
In article , ARW writes "Sam Plusnet" wrote in message .. . In article , says... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-26552056 If they were in it together then why the mansluaghter charge? Listening to the local radio suggests that they did not know the power would be restored after 3 minutes. He also reported his son as missing later that evening. It just seems an odd case. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manslau...in_English_law "Involuntary manslaughter arises where the accused did not intend to cause death or serious injury but caused the death of another through recklessness or criminal negligence. For these purposes, recklessness is defined as a blatant disregard for the dangers of a particular situation." That's fine for a normal manslaughter charge. But they were both in it together - they both knew the risks and both decided to take those risks. Shaun only escaped death by a whisker. One of them died as a result of a crime that both of them committed so I'd say guilty as charged. Ah but one was 'charged' far more than the other ;-) |
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On Fri, 28 Mar 2014 03:37:26 -0700 (PDT), whisky-dave
wrote: One of them died as a result of a crime that both of them committed so I'd say guilty as charged. Ah but one was 'charged' far more than the other ;-) Turn up the amp, lad. |
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On 27/03/14 18:50, ARW wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-26552056 If they were in it together then why the mansluaghter charge? Listening to the local radio suggests that they did not know the power would be restored after 3 minutes. He also reported his son as missing later that evening. It just seems an odd case. The auto-recloser claims another pikey... How long before they are outlawed? |
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In message , Tim Watts
writes On 27/03/14 18:50, ARW wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-26552056 If they were in it together then why the mansluaghter charge? Listening to the local radio suggests that they did not know the power would be restored after 3 minutes. He also reported his son as missing later that evening. It just seems an odd case. The auto-recloser claims another pikey... How long before they are outlawed? You can't outlaw a section of the community just because they are thieving scrotes. -- Bill |
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On 27/03/14 20:31, Bill wrote:
In message , Tim Watts writes On 27/03/14 18:50, ARW wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-26552056 If they were in it together then why the mansluaghter charge? Listening to the local radio suggests that they did not know the power would be restored after 3 minutes. He also reported his son as missing later that evening. It just seems an odd case. The auto-recloser claims another pikey... How long before they are outlawed? You can't outlaw a section of the community just because they are thieving scrotes. Actually I think that's exactly why they used to outlaw people.. So obviously you CAN. I suspect you mean we shouldn't.. -- Ineptocracy (in-ep-toc-ra-cy) €“ a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers. |
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On 27/03/14 20:31, Bill wrote:
In message , Tim Watts writes On 27/03/14 18:50, ARW wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-26552056 If they were in it together then why the mansluaghter charge? Listening to the local radio suggests that they did not know the power would be restored after 3 minutes. He also reported his son as missing later that evening. It just seems an odd case. The auto-recloser claims another pikey... How long before they are outlawed? You can't outlaw a section of the community just because they are thieving scrotes. I meant the auto-recloser - toungue in cheek of course! |
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On 27/03/2014 22:16, Sam Plusnet wrote:
In article , says... On 27/03/14 20:31, Bill wrote: In message , Tim Watts writes On 27/03/14 18:50, ARW wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-26552056 If they were in it together then why the mansluaghter charge? Listening to the local radio suggests that they did not know the power would be restored after 3 minutes. He also reported his son as missing later that evening. It just seems an odd case. The auto-recloser claims another pikey... How long before they are outlawed? You can't outlaw a section of the community just because they are thieving scrotes. I meant the auto-recloser - toungue in cheek of course! I used to test those things (with no power applied). Boring job. I remember finding a bug in a series of Marconi's HF transmitters in their so called "evasive action" protection... It was supposed to lockout the amp if there were three or more high VSWR events inside a two minute window. Each event resulted in a 3 sec disable and then a auto re-enable. It passed the tests nicely, but noone though to try a fourth event within two mins of the second. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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Tim Watts writes: On 27/03/14 18:50, ARW wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-26552056 If they were in it together then why the mansluaghter charge? Listening to the local radio suggests that they did not know the power would be restored after 3 minutes. He also reported his son as missing later that evening. It just seems an odd case. The auto-recloser claims another pikey... How long before they are outlawed? I thought auto-recloser times where in the 10's of seconds, and that 3 minutes would more likely be manual intervention from a control room after an auto-recloser tripped out too many times. -- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup] |
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says... In article , Tim Watts writes: On 27/03/14 18:50, ARW wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-26552056 If they were in it together then why the mansluaghter charge? Listening to the local radio suggests that they did not know the power would be restored after 3 minutes. He also reported his son as missing later that evening. It just seems an odd case. The auto-recloser claims another pikey... How long before they are outlawed? I thought auto-recloser times where in the 10's of seconds, and that 3 minutes would more likely be manual intervention from a control room after an auto-recloser tripped out too many times. You can set the timing to anything you want - but I agree 3 minutes sounds more like a manual intervention - provided the reporting is accurate snort. -- Sam |
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On 27/03/2014 21:23, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article , Tim Watts writes: On 27/03/14 18:50, ARW wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-26552056 If they were in it together then why the mansluaghter charge? Listening to the local radio suggests that they did not know the power would be restored after 3 minutes. He also reported his son as missing later that evening. It just seems an odd case. The auto-recloser claims another pikey... How long before they are outlawed? I thought auto-recloser times where in the 10's of seconds, and that 3 minutes would more likely be manual intervention from a control room after an auto-recloser tripped out too many times. The procedure we used to use was to send out an engineer to have a look if an auto-recloser tripped more than three times in a row. However, IIRC, in areas prone to tree branch contacts, the resets were quite widely spaced, so it could have been the final reset that got him. Colin Bignell |
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scribeth thus On 27/03/14 18:50, ARW wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-26552056 If they were in it together then why the mansluaghter charge? Listening to the local radio suggests that they did not know the power would be restored after 3 minutes. He also reported his son as missing later that evening. It just seems an odd case. The auto-recloser claims another pikey... How long before they are outlawed? I was told by a UK power networks engineer a while ago that in some places like Lincolnshire they have been known to go cable nicking and if one of them gets killed .. they leave him behind .. After removing any identification like his mobile phone etc;!... -- Tony Sayer .. |
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On 27/03/2014 21:25, tony sayer wrote:
In article , Tim Watts scribeth thus On 27/03/14 18:50, ARW wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-26552056 If they were in it together then why the mansluaghter charge? Listening to the local radio suggests that they did not know the power would be restored after 3 minutes. He also reported his son as missing later that evening. It just seems an odd case. The auto-recloser claims another pikey... How long before they are outlawed? I was told by a UK power networks engineer a while ago that in some places like Lincolnshire they have been known to go cable nicking and if one of them gets killed .. they leave him behind .. After removing any identification like his mobile phone etc;!... Sounds like a good idea. Another one of them might get electrocuted trying to frisk the body. :-) Colin Bignell |
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tony sayer writes: In article , Tim Watts scribeth thus On 27/03/14 18:50, ARW wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-26552056 If they were in it together then why the mansluaghter charge? Listening to the local radio suggests that they did not know the power would be restored after 3 minutes. He also reported his son as missing later that evening. It just seems an odd case. The auto-recloser claims another pikey... How long before they are outlawed? I was told by a UK power networks engineer a while ago that in some places like Lincolnshire they have been known to go cable nicking and if one of them gets killed .. they leave him behind .. After removing any identification like his mobile phone etc;!... The motivation is more likely to be nicking the mobile/wallet/etc just to sell on! -- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup] |
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In article , Tim Watts
writes The auto-recloser claims another pikey... How long before they are outlawed? Hopefully never. Darwin in action. -- (\_/) (='.'=) (")_(") |
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On Thursday, March 27, 2014 6:50:22 PM UTC, wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-26552056 If they were in it together then why the mansluaghter charge? Listening to the local radio suggests that they did not know the power would be restored after 3 minutes. He also reported his son as missing later that evening. It just seems an odd case. -- Adam I get no pleasure when something like that is reported, despite how fed up we all are by the cost, inconvenience and danger caused by scum like that to the general public by the damage caused to the power telephone and rail networks. So many of the tea leaves end up charcoal. Disbelief at the stupidity of it all is how I feel. Before anyone says it, I have no sympathy with those that go out to take and vandalise what isn't theirs. Philip |
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On Friday, 28 March 2014 13:28:39 UTC, wrote:
On Thursday, March 27, 2014 6:50:22 PM UTC, wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-26552056 I get no pleasure when something like that is reported, despite how fed up we all are by the cost, inconvenience and danger caused by scum like that to the general public by the damage caused to the power telephone and rail networks. I get a little pleasure in knowing that he won't be doing it again, whether or not the father does is another matter, will he learn from his mistake ? So many of the tea leaves end up charcoal. Disbelief at the stupidity of it all is how I feel. Before anyone says it, I have no sympathy with those that go out to take and vandalise what isn't theirs. Philip |
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On 28/03/2014 14:27, whisky-dave wrote:
On Friday, 28 March 2014 13:28:39 UTC, wrote: On Thursday, March 27, 2014 6:50:22 PM UTC, wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-26552056 I get no pleasure when something like that is reported, despite how fed up we all are by the cost, inconvenience and danger caused by scum like that to the general public by the damage caused to the power telephone and rail networks. I get a little pleasure in knowing that he won't be doing it again, whether or not the father does is another matter, will he learn from his mistake ? No; he will probably have more children. Colin Bignell |
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... On Thursday, March 27, 2014 6:50:22 PM UTC, wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-26552056 If they were in it together then why the mansluaghter charge? Listening to the local radio suggests that they did not know the power would be restored after 3 minutes. He also reported his son as missing later that evening. It just seems an odd case. -- Adam I get no pleasure when something like that is reported, despite how fed up we all are by the cost, inconvenience and danger caused by scum like that to the general public by the damage caused to the power telephone and rail networks. Nor do I. And http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-26787308 annoys me. -- Adam |
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And http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-26787308 annoys me. --Adam/ The changed book rules or the protest? Jim K |
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... / And http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-26787308 annoys me. --Adam/ The changed book rules or the protest? The changed book rules. -- Adam |
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On 29/03/14 17:09, ARW wrote:
"JimK" wrote in message ... / And http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-26787308 annoys me. --Adam/ The changed book rules or the protest? The changed book rules. Yes. Because banning books will totally stop all the drug packages that are thrown over the wall. |
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On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 17:09:04 +0000, ARW wrote:
"JimK" wrote in message ... / And http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-26787308 annoys me. --Adam/ The changed book rules or the protest? The changed book rules. I signed the petition. -- Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org My posts (including this one) are my copyright and if @diy_forums on Twitter wish to tweet them they can pay me £30 a post *lightning surge protection* - a w_tom conductor |
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On 29/03/2014 10:47, Huge wrote:
I do. I think it's highly amusing. €œStupidity cannot be cured. Stupidity is the only universal capital crime; the sentence is death. There is no appeal, and execution is carried out automatically and without pity.€ €• Robert A. Heinlein In fact, I think I may just have found my new sig. I'd go with Larry Niven: Think of it as evolution in action. Andy |
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