http://www.youtube.com/embed/QYltdonj2iE

I've always wondered how they do that.

On 05/03/2014 19:52, Vortex11 wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/embed/QYltdonj2iE

I've always wondered how they do that.

Cue Mark Knopfler, "So far from the Clyde"

On 05/03/2014 20:07, newshound wrote:
On 05/03/2014 19:52, Vortex11 wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/embed/QYltdonj2iE

I've always wondered how they do that.

Cue Mark Knopfler, "So far from the Clyde"


Nothing wrong with the engines or steering, then. It looked like it had
years of life left in it.

GB wrote:
On 05/03/2014 20:07, newshound wrote:
On 05/03/2014 19:52, Vortex11 wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/embed/QYltdonj2iE

I've always wondered how they do that.

Cue Mark Knopfler, "So far from the Clyde"


Nothing wrong with the engines or steering, then. It looked like it had
years of life left in it.


Could have given it to Indonesia to run boat people to Australia.

On 06/03/2014 08:43, GB wrote:
On 05/03/2014 20:07, newshound wrote:
On 05/03/2014 19:52, Vortex11 wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/embed/QYltdonj2iE

I've always wondered how they do that.

Cue Mark Knopfler, "So far from the Clyde"


Nothing wrong with the engines or steering, then. It looked like it had
years of life left in it.


What wouldn't show is the way that the hull could have been like an
eggshell, and the engines were horribly polluting and inefficient by
modern standards. She'd been operated for many years by one of the more
notoriously corner cutting operators in the Mediterranean after being
sold and replaced by P&O, so maintenance had probably been little and
seldom.

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John.

On 06/03/2014 09:06, John Williamson wrote:
On 06/03/2014 08:43, GB wrote:
On 05/03/2014 20:07, newshound wrote:
On 05/03/2014 19:52, Vortex11 wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/embed/QYltdonj2iE

I've always wondered how they do that.

Cue Mark Knopfler, "So far from the Clyde"


Nothing wrong with the engines or steering, then. It looked like it had
years of life left in it.


What wouldn't show is the way that the hull could have been like an
eggshell, and the engines were horribly polluting and inefficient by
modern standards. She'd been operated for many years by one of the more
notoriously corner cutting operators in the Mediterranean after being
sold and replaced by P&O, so maintenance had probably been little and
seldom.

You must be confusing her with another ship. She was in P&O service
until October 2012. In December 2012 they leased her out for three years
to Transeuropa Ferries, who went bankrupt in April 2013. The beaching
was in November 2013.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_Pride_of_Calais

Colin Bignell

Nightjar wrote :
On 06/03/2014 09:06, John Williamson wrote:
On 06/03/2014 08:43, GB wrote:
On 05/03/2014 20:07, newshound wrote:
On 05/03/2014 19:52, Vortex11 wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/embed/QYltdonj2iE

I've always wondered how they do that.

Cue Mark Knopfler, "So far from the Clyde"


Nothing wrong with the engines or steering, then. It looked like it had
years of life left in it.


What wouldn't show is the way that the hull could have been like an
eggshell, and the engines were horribly polluting and inefficient by
modern standards. She'd been operated for many years by one of the more
notoriously corner cutting operators in the Mediterranean after being
sold and replaced by P&O, so maintenance had probably been little and
seldom.

You must be confusing her with another ship. She was in P&O service until
October 2012. In December 2012 they leased her out for three years to
Transeuropa Ferries, who went bankrupt in April 2013. The beaching was in
November 2013.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_Pride_of_Calais

Colin Bignell

Aye, we've done the Dover-Calais crossing in that very ferry many
times, sad to see it go really.

On 06/03/2014 14:58, Nightjar wrote:
On 06/03/2014 09:06, John Williamson wrote:
You must be confusing her with another ship. She was in P&O service
until October 2012. In December 2012 they leased her out for three years
to Transeuropa Ferries, who went bankrupt in April 2013. The beaching
was in November 2013.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_Pride_of_Calais

Or misremembering what I read last time I looked this up when the video
surfaced on another forum.

I do remember travelling on her, and she was a much more friendly ship
than the new ones.

Mind you, at 28 years old, she'd done a *lot* of service, and was
looking and feeling tired at the end of her service with P&O.


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John.

On 06/03/2014 15:17, John Williamson wrote:
On 06/03/2014 14:58, Nightjar wrote:
On 06/03/2014 09:06, John Williamson wrote:
You must be confusing her with another ship. She was in P&O service
until October 2012. In December 2012 they leased her out for three years
to Transeuropa Ferries, who went bankrupt in April 2013. The beaching
was in November 2013.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_Pride_of_Calais

Or misremembering what I read last time I looked this up when the video
surfaced on another forum.

I do remember travelling on her, and she was a much more friendly ship
than the new ones.

I wouldn't know about the newer ships. Once the tunnel opened, I stopped
crossing by ferry.

Mind you, at 28 years old, she'd done a *lot* of service, and was
looking and feeling tired at the end of her service with P&O.

Ships can go on for a lot longer than that:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Azores

Colin Bignell

On 06/03/2014 18:02, Nightjar wrote:
On 06/03/2014 15:17, John Williamson wrote:
On 06/03/2014 14:58, Nightjar wrote:
On 06/03/2014 09:06, John Williamson wrote:
You must be confusing her with another ship. She was in P&O service
until October 2012. In December 2012 they leased her out for three years
to Transeuropa Ferries, who went bankrupt in April 2013. The beaching
was in November 2013.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_Pride_of_Calais

Or misremembering what I read last time I looked this up when the video
surfaced on another forum.

I do remember travelling on her, and she was a much more friendly ship
than the new ones.

I wouldn't know about the newer ships. Once the tunnel opened, I stopped
crossing by ferry.

Mind you, at 28 years old, she'd done a *lot* of service, and was
looking and feeling tired at the end of her service with P&O.

Ships can go on for a lot longer than that:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Azores

Can last longer doesn't mean must last longer. live on a boat that's
over 40 years old, and my next door neighbour's s possibly over a
Century old. The guy that delivers the coal and other fuel here uses a
boat that's well into its second century.

Having said that, the Pride of Calais was showing signs of coming to the
end of her economic life last time I sailed on her.

Shipping companies can be very unsentimental about ships.

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John.

On 06/03/2014 18:02, Nightjar wrote:
Ships can go on for a lot longer than that:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Azores

Pah. I see your 1948 and raise you a ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PS_Waverley

.... 1946. I thought she was much older than that!

Andy

On 06/03/2014 20:24, John Williamson wrote:

Having said that, the Pride of Calais was showing signs of coming to the
end of her economic life last time I sailed on her.

Even if the ship was a bit scruffy for the Channel run, you'd have
thought somebody would have found a use for a working boat?





Shipping companies can be very unsentimental about ships.

In message , John Williamson
writes
Having said that, the Pride of Calais was showing signs of coming to
the end of her economic life last time I sailed on her.

Shipping companies can be very unsentimental about ships.


I read some where that the rule of thumb is that you scrap a ship when
the running costs exceed the scrap value.


Adrian
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On Thu, 06 Mar 2014 20:54:45 +0000, Vir Campestris
wrote:

On 06/03/2014 18:02, Nightjar wrote:
Ships can go on for a lot longer than that:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Azores

Pah. I see your 1948 and raise you a ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PS_Waverley

... 1946. I thought she was much older than that!


The Russians still have a ship from the Czars navy in service,
Her specialised role is mainly responsible for her survival.
There was a site somewhere which had greater details of her long
career but I can no longer find it, so this link above will have to
do.
http://englishrussia.com/2012/07/31/...ears-old-ship/
They tried to withdraw it a few years ago from their Navy and give it
away but nobody took it on so they still use it.

G.Harman

In article ,
wrote:
On Thu, 06 Mar 2014 20:54:45 +0000, Vir Campestris
wrote:

On 06/03/2014 18:02, Nightjar wrote:
Ships can go on for a lot longer than that:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Azores

Pah. I see your 1948 and raise you a ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PS_Waverley

... 1946. I thought she was much older than that!


The Russians still have a ship from the Czars navy in service,

and the RN still has a ship from the Napoleonic Wars in service .....

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On 06/03/2014 20:54, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 06/03/2014 18:02, Nightjar wrote:
Ships can go on for a lot longer than that:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Azores

Pah. I see your 1948 and raise you a ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PS_Waverley

... 1946. I thought she was much older than that!

Me too. Although my point about MV Azores is that she has been refitted
and updated to keep her as a modern working ship, rather than being a
preserved vessel.

Colin Bignell

On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 08:04:35 +0000 (GMT), charles
wrote:



Pah. I see your 1948 and raise you a ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PS_Waverley

... 1946. I thought she was much older than that!


The Russians still have a ship from the Czars navy in service,

and the RN still has a ship from the Napoleonic Wars in service .....
FSVO of service as a glorified flagpole and tourist
attraction,Physically it is not directly under the navy anymore having
been hived off to a Quango. As a tourist destination and a place to
hold a posh dinner it is fine, but it isn't capable of doing the basic
thing it was built for and hasn't done for years. There any number of
old vessels in museum status like that around the globe but vessels
still doing capable of floating and work that are several decades old
are much rarer especially larger ones that need to meet international
regulations that have become increasingly stringent.
It's harder to pass on old ship to the third world than it used to
be.

Until a couple of years ago this old one was still operating but
regulations finally caught up with it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Doulos

G.Harman

On 07/03/2014 12:57, wrote:
On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 08:04:35 +0000 (GMT), charles
wrote:



Pah. I see your 1948 and raise you a ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PS_Waverley

... 1946. I thought she was much older than that!


The Russians still have a ship from the Czars navy in service,

and the RN still has a ship from the Napoleonic Wars in service .....
FSVO of service as a glorified flagpole and tourist
attraction,Physically it is not directly under the navy anymore having
been hived off to a Quango. As a tourist destination and a place to
hold a posh dinner it is fine, but it isn't capable of doing the basic
thing it was built for and hasn't done for years. There any number of
old vessels in museum status like that around the globe but vessels
still doing capable of floating and work that are several decades old
are much rarerespecially larger ones that need to meet international
regulations that have become increasingly stringent...

Until recently, the Royal Navy's second oldest serving ship was HMS
Caroline, a 1914 light cruiser. She was latterly a RNVR training ship,
until the RNVR unit relocated to a stone frigate in 2009 and she was
decommissioned in 2011. She is still afloat in Belfast and the National
Lottery has provided funding for conversion to a museum.

Colin Bignell

On Fri, 7 Mar 2014 12:33:03 +0000 (UTC), Jethro_uk
wrote:


and the RN still has a ship from the Napoleonic Wars in service .....

does dry dock count as "in service".

The Yanks have the USS Constitution afloat - keel laid in 1794. Quite an
incredible piece of history.

There was another survivor of Trafalgar that survived floating till
1949. The Duguay Troine was a French ship captured in the aftermath of
the battle and becoming HMS Implacable when put in RN service.
In the austerity of post WW2 nobody was able to take on what by then
was a vessel needing a lot of attention,even the French turned down
the offer to have her back. So she was scuttled in the channel under
the ensigns of both countries while dignitaries looked on.
The RN with the efficiency they are well known for when allowed to
play by themselves placed too powerful charges which blew off the
bottom of the hull, being wooden the rest was still floating long
after the dignitaries had gone home.
Some bits are supposed to have floated home to shores of France.
Newsreel footage. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vObkluMUvWo

G.Harman

On Thursday, March 6, 2014 8:54:45 PM UTC, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 06/03/2014 18:02, Nightjar wrote:

Ships can go on for a lot longer than that:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Azores



Pah. I see your 1948 and raise you a ...



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PS_Waverley



... 1946. I thought she was much older than that!



Andy

S.S. Sir Walter Scott. 114 and still steaming, inland waters

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Sir_Walter_Scott