So. Here it is. Bloody cold. Severe frost last night. Skies were so clear
you could see right across the galaxy ... My mate has just rung me to say
that he has just driven past the forest of windmills up the road, and not a
single one is turning. So I had a look at Gridwatch, and the demand is high.
And what is wind contributing ? - less than 1%. Under 500kW. And what is it
that they keep telling us ? The wind is always blowing somewhere ? Well
today, I guess that's a very light breeze somewhere in remotest Scotland,
then.

Gridwatch should be required viewing for every numpty politician and
scientist that honestly believes that backing this nonsense and destroying
our fossil capability, is going to leave us anything other than without any
power at all ... :-\

Arfa

Arfa Daily formulated on Monday :
So. Here it is. Bloody cold. Severe frost last night. Skies were so clear you
could see right across the galaxy ... My mate has just rung me to say that
he has just driven past the forest of windmills up the road, and not a single
one is turning. So I had a look at Gridwatch, and the demand is high. And
what is wind contributing ? - less than 1%. Under 500kW. And what is it that
they keep telling us ? The wind is always blowing somewhere ? Well today, I
guess that's a very light breeze somewhere in remotest Scotland, then.

Gridwatch should be required viewing for every numpty politician and
scientist that honestly believes that backing this nonsense and destroying
our fossil capability, is going to leave us anything other than without any
power at all ... :-\

Arfa

I understand a modification is in the pipeline, to add a cranking
handle at ground level to allow them to be turned by hand lol

--
Regards,
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http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk

In message , Harry
Bloomfield writes
Arfa Daily formulated on Monday :
So. Here it is. Bloody cold. Severe frost last night. Skies were so
clear you could see right across the galaxy ... My mate has just
rung me to say that he has just driven past the forest of windmills
up the road, and not a single one is turning. So I had a look at
Gridwatch, and the demand is high. And what is wind contributing ? -
less than 1%. Under 500kW. And what is it that they keep telling us ?
The wind is always blowing somewhere ? Well today, I guess that's a
very light breeze somewhere in remotest Scotland, then.

Gridwatch should be required viewing for every numpty politician and
scientist that honestly believes that backing this nonsense and
destroying our fossil capability, is going to leave us anything other
than without any power at all ... :-\

Arfa

I understand a modification is in the pipeline, to add a cranking
handle at ground level to allow them to be turned by hand lol

Or perhaps a little diesel engine :-)
--
bert

On 20/01/2014 20:16, bert wrote:
In message , Harry
Bloomfield writes
Arfa Daily formulated on Monday :
So. Here it is. Bloody cold. Severe frost last night. Skies were so
clear you could see right across the galaxy ... My mate has just
rung me to say that he has just driven past the forest of windmills
up the road, and not a single one is turning. So I had a look at
Gridwatch, and the demand is high. And what is wind contributing ? -
less than 1%. Under 500kW. And what is it that they keep telling us
? The wind is always blowing somewhere ? Well today, I guess that's
a very light breeze somewhere in remotest Scotland, then.

Gridwatch should be required viewing for every numpty politician and
scientist that honestly believes that backing this nonsense and
destroying our fossil capability, is going to leave us anything
other than without any power at all ... :-\

Arfa

I understand a modification is in the pipeline, to add a cranking
handle at ground level to allow them to be turned by hand lol

Or perhaps a little diesel engine :-)

I wouldn't joke about it..
they probably do have them as standby power for when the grid goes down.
You can't leave them without power as the weather will destroy them.

On Mon, 20 Jan 2014 21:03:16 +0000, dennis@home wrote:

I understand a modification is in the pipeline, to add a cranking
handle at ground level to allow them to be turned by hand lol

Or perhaps a little diesel engine :-)

I wouldn't joke about it..
they probably do have them as standby power for when the grid goes down.
You can't leave them without power as the weather will destroy them.

We wouldn't be that lucky.

I wonder how much power a stationary turbine or one feathered because
theh wind is too strong consumes?

--
Cheers
Dave.

Dave Liquorice wrote:

On Mon, 20 Jan 2014 21:03:16 +0000, dennis@home wrote:

I understand a modification is in the pipeline, to add a cranking
handle at ground level to allow them to be turned by hand lol

Or perhaps a little diesel engine :-)

I wouldn't joke about it..
they probably do have them as standby power for when the grid goes down.
You can't leave them without power as the weather will destroy them.

We wouldn't be that lucky.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-scandals.html

I wonder how much power a stationary turbine or one feathered because
theh wind is too strong consumes?

http://www.aweo.org/windconsumption.html


--
Terry Fields

"dennis@home" wrote in message
eb.com...
On 20/01/2014 20:16, bert wrote:
In message , Harry
Bloomfield writes
Arfa Daily formulated on Monday :
So. Here it is. Bloody cold. Severe frost last night. Skies were so
clear you could see right across the galaxy ... My mate has just
rung me to say that he has just driven past the forest of windmills
up the road, and not a single one is turning. So I had a look at
Gridwatch, and the demand is high. And what is wind contributing ? -
less than 1%. Under 500kW. And what is it that they keep telling us
? The wind is always blowing somewhere ? Well today, I guess that's
a very light breeze somewhere in remotest Scotland, then.

Gridwatch should be required viewing for every numpty politician and
scientist that honestly believes that backing this nonsense and
destroying our fossil capability, is going to leave us anything
other than without any power at all ... :-\

Arfa

I understand a modification is in the pipeline, to add a cranking
handle at ground level to allow them to be turned by hand lol

Or perhaps a little diesel engine :-)

I wouldn't joke about it..
they probably do have them as standby power for when the grid goes down.
You can't leave them without power as the weather will destroy them.

I read somewhere recently that they can actually consume power from the grid
to keep them turning, as standing still for too long can cause bearing and
shaft bending problems due to the high weight of the blades

Arfa

On 20/01/2014 13:38, Harry Bloomfield wrote:

I understand a modification is in the pipeline, to add a cranking handle
at ground level to allow them to be turned by hand lol

Jest ye not.....
We've got an ever expanding load of 'em here in Avonmouth and an older
local gentleman with knowledge "from the inside" suggested that when the
wind isn't blowing they actually feed power back to one of the mills to
keep it spinning.

Didn't quite believe it but having watched the turbines for a number of
months it appears to be true. Even the stillest of still days when
smoke/steam from the industrial estate is meandering upwards you will
always see one of the big-ass windmills (usually the same one) on the
docks spinning at a good old rate while the rest lay dormant.
Must be for the "feel good" factor to keep everyone under the impression
that wind power works.... perhaps that's why they're building a new
nuclear station down the road so they can get all the turbines spinning
all the time...

Pete@
--
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UK's leading (and very best) Commercial Gym Equipment Supplier.

In article , www.GymRatZ.co.uk 0845.86.86.8
pment scribeth thus
On 20/01/2014 13:38, Harry Bloomfield wrote:

I understand a modification is in the pipeline, to add a cranking handle
at ground level to allow them to be turned by hand lol

Jest ye not.....
We've got an ever expanding load of 'em here in Avonmouth and an older
local gentleman with knowledge "from the inside" suggested that when the
wind isn't blowing they actually feed power back to one of the mills to
keep it spinning.

Didn't quite believe it but having watched the turbines for a number of
months it appears to be true. Even the stillest of still days when
smoke/steam from the industrial estate is meandering upwards you will
always see one of the big-ass windmills (usually the same one) on the
docks spinning at a good old rate while the rest lay dormant.
Must be for the "feel good" factor to keep everyone under the impression
that wind power works.... perhaps that's why they're building a new
nuclear station down the road so they can get all the turbines spinning
all the time...

Pete@

I've seen that out in the Fens, no wind anywhere smoke drifting upwards
but the odd windy mill spinning keeping the wind blowing.

Why do they do this or is it a fault condition?..
--
Tony Sayer

On 21/01/2014 17:14, tony sayer wrote:
In article , www.GymRatZ.co.uk 0845.86.86.8
pment scribeth thus
On 20/01/2014 13:38, Harry Bloomfield wrote:

I understand a modification is in the pipeline, to add a cranking handle
at ground level to allow them to be turned by hand lol

Jest ye not.....
We've got an ever expanding load of 'em here in Avonmouth and an older
local gentleman with knowledge "from the inside" suggested that when the
wind isn't blowing they actually feed power back to one of the mills to
keep it spinning.

Didn't quite believe it but having watched the turbines for a number of
months it appears to be true. Even the stillest of still days when
smoke/steam from the industrial estate is meandering upwards you will
always see one of the big-ass windmills (usually the same one) on the
docks spinning at a good old rate while the rest lay dormant.
Must be for the "feel good" factor to keep everyone under the impression
that wind power works.... perhaps that's why they're building a new
nuclear station down the road so they can get all the turbines spinning
all the time...

Pete@

I've seen that out in the Fens, no wind anywhere smoke drifting upwards
but the odd windy mill spinning keeping the wind blowing.

Why do they do this or is it a fault condition?..

Someone on this group pointed to a link a while ago saying that if they
stop spinning for too long, the bearings develop flat spots which can
cause premature failure, so they need to be fed power for a while every
now and then if they're not generating.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

In article , John Williamson
scribeth thus
On 21/01/2014 17:14, tony sayer wrote:
In article , www.GymRatZ.co.uk 0845.86.86.8
pment scribeth thus
On 20/01/2014 13:38, Harry Bloomfield wrote:

I understand a modification is in the pipeline, to add a cranking handle
at ground level to allow them to be turned by hand lol

Jest ye not.....
We've got an ever expanding load of 'em here in Avonmouth and an older
local gentleman with knowledge "from the inside" suggested that when the
wind isn't blowing they actually feed power back to one of the mills to
keep it spinning.

Didn't quite believe it but having watched the turbines for a number of
months it appears to be true. Even the stillest of still days when
smoke/steam from the industrial estate is meandering upwards you will
always see one of the big-ass windmills (usually the same one) on the
docks spinning at a good old rate while the rest lay dormant.
Must be for the "feel good" factor to keep everyone under the impression
that wind power works.... perhaps that's why they're building a new
nuclear station down the road so they can get all the turbines spinning
all the time...

Pete@

I've seen that out in the Fens, no wind anywhere smoke drifting upwards
but the odd windy mill spinning keeping the wind blowing.

Why do they do this or is it a fault condition?..

Someone on this group pointed to a link a while ago saying that if they
stop spinning for too long, the bearings develop flat spots which can
cause premature failure,


Eh?, That seems rather odd.. It's like saying that railway loco's can't
stand still else they get bu^^ered bearings;!..

so they need to be fed power for a while every
now and then if they're not generating.

Even more waste then;!..


--
Tony Sayer

Arfa Daily wrote:
So. Here it is. Bloody cold. Severe frost last night. Skies were so
clear you could see right across the galaxy ... My mate has just rung
me to say that he has just driven past the forest of windmills up the
road, and not a single one is turning. So I had a look at Gridwatch, and
the demand is high. And what is wind contributing ? - less than 1%.
Under 500kW. And what is it that they keep telling us ? The wind is
always blowing somewhere ? Well today, I guess that's a very light
breeze somewhere in remotest Scotland, then.

Gridwatch should be required viewing for every numpty politician and
scientist that honestly believes that backing this nonsense and
destroying our fossil capability, is going to leave us anything other
than without any power at all ... :-\

Arfa

Coincidentally, on R4 this morning was a snippet saying that at some
stage in January this year, wind power contributed the highest % of the
grid demand either 14 or 16% was mentioned I think.

In article , Bob Minchin bob.minchinREMOVE@
YOURHATntlworld.com scribeth thus
Arfa Daily wrote:
So. Here it is. Bloody cold. Severe frost last night. Skies were so
clear you could see right across the galaxy ... My mate has just rung
me to say that he has just driven past the forest of windmills up the
road, and not a single one is turning. So I had a look at Gridwatch, and
the demand is high. And what is wind contributing ? - less than 1%.
Under 500kW. And what is it that they keep telling us ? The wind is
always blowing somewhere ? Well today, I guess that's a very light
breeze somewhere in remotest Scotland, then.

Gridwatch should be required viewing for every numpty politician and
scientist that honestly believes that backing this nonsense and
destroying our fossil capability, is going to leave us anything other
than without any power at all ... :-\

Arfa

Coincidentally, on R4 this morning was a snippet saying that at some
stage in January this year, wind power contributed the highest % of the
grid demand either 14 or 16% was mentioned I think.


Well so it might but are hey mentioning at the moment is all of
0.76% according to Gridwatch?...
--
Tony Sayer

On 20/01/14 14:01, tony sayer wrote:
In article , Bob Minchin bob.minchinREMOVE@
YOURHATntlworld.com scribeth thus
Arfa Daily wrote:
So. Here it is. Bloody cold. Severe frost last night. Skies were so
clear you could see right across the galaxy ... My mate has just rung
me to say that he has just driven past the forest of windmills up the
road, and not a single one is turning. So I had a look at Gridwatch, and
the demand is high. And what is wind contributing ? - less than 1%.
Under 500kW. And what is it that they keep telling us ? The wind is
always blowing somewhere ? Well today, I guess that's a very light
breeze somewhere in remotest Scotland, then.

Gridwatch should be required viewing for every numpty politician and
scientist that honestly believes that backing this nonsense and
destroying our fossil capability, is going to leave us anything other
than without any power at all ... :-\

Arfa

Coincidentally, on R4 this morning was a snippet saying that at some
stage in January this year, wind power contributed the highest % of the
grid demand either 14 or 16% was mentioned I think.


Well so it might but are hey mentioning at the moment is all of
0.76% according to Gridwatch?...

0.5% now..



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lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the
members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are
rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a
diminishing number of producers.

On 20/01/14 13:44, Bob Minchin wrote:
Arfa Daily wrote:
So. Here it is. Bloody cold. Severe frost last night. Skies were so
clear you could see right across the galaxy ... My mate has just rung
me to say that he has just driven past the forest of windmills up the
road, and not a single one is turning. So I had a look at Gridwatch, and
the demand is high. And what is wind contributing ? - less than 1%.
Under 500kW. And what is it that they keep telling us ? The wind is
always blowing somewhere ? Well today, I guess that's a very light
breeze somewhere in remotest Scotland, then.

Gridwatch should be required viewing for every numpty politician and
scientist that honestly believes that backing this nonsense and
destroying our fossil capability, is going to leave us anything other
than without any power at all ... :-\

Arfa

Coincidentally, on R4 this morning was a snippet saying that at some
stage in January this year, wind power contributed the highest % of the
grid demand either 14 or 16% was mentioned I think.



Yep/. in the middle of wet warm night when demand is low it can get that
high .,.

And thereby hangs the tale: sometimes 16% sometimes 1%. And more likely
to be 1% when you really need it rather than the other way around, as
also with solar.

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lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the
members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are
rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a
diminishing number of producers.

"Bob Minchin" wrote in message
...
Arfa Daily wrote:
So. Here it is. Bloody cold. Severe frost last night. Skies were so
clear you could see right across the galaxy ... My mate has just rung
me to say that he has just driven past the forest of windmills up the
road, and not a single one is turning. So I had a look at Gridwatch, and
the demand is high. And what is wind contributing ? - less than 1%.
Under 500kW. And what is it that they keep telling us ? The wind is
always blowing somewhere ? Well today, I guess that's a very light
breeze somewhere in remotest Scotland, then.

Gridwatch should be required viewing for every numpty politician and
scientist that honestly believes that backing this nonsense and
destroying our fossil capability, is going to leave us anything other
than without any power at all ... :-\

Arfa

Coincidentally, on R4 this morning was a snippet saying that at some stage
in January this year, wind power contributed the highest % of the grid
demand either 14 or 16% was mentioned I think.


However, early January was windy, and quite mild, and it also depends on the
time of day. If that was an 'instantaneous' figure, it's pretty meaningless.
To derive any realistic overall picture at all, you would need to take the
average over a several day period, and present it as a comparison to the
average overall demand, and the percentages that our other generating
methods were contributing.

I did put another post on here regarding my finger slip re kW and MW, but it
seems to have disappeared into cyber space ...

Arfa

In article , Arfa Daily
scribeth thus
So. Here it is. Bloody cold. Severe frost last night. Skies were so clear
you could see right across the galaxy ...

Yes testing me new binoculars last nite not found wanting either...

My mate has just rung me to say
that he has just driven past the forest of windmills up the road, and not a
single one is turning. So I had a look at Gridwatch, and the demand is high.
And what is wind contributing ? - less than 1%. Under 500kW. And what is it
that they keep telling us ? The wind is always blowing somewhere ? Well
today, I guess that's a very light breeze somewhere in remotest Scotland,
then.

Gridwatch should be required viewing for every numpty politician and
scientist that honestly believes that backing this nonsense and destroying
our fossil capability, is going to leave us anything other than without any
power at all ... :-\



Now tell us what we don't know;(...

Arfa


--
Tony Sayer

Arfa Daily wrote:
So. Here it is. Bloody cold. Severe frost last night. Skies were so
clear you could see right across the galaxy ... My mate has just rung
me to say that he has just driven past the forest of windmills up the
road, and not a single one is turning. So I had a look at Gridwatch, and
the demand is high. And what is wind contributing ? - less than 1%.
Under 500kW. And what is it that they keep telling us ? The wind is
always blowing somewhere ? Well today, I guess that's a very light
breeze somewhere in remotest Scotland, then.

Gridwatch should be required viewing for every numpty politician and
scientist that honestly believes that backing this nonsense and
destroying our fossil capability, is going to leave us anything other
than without any power at all ... :-\

Arfa

The ones I can see from here are stationary. The temperature here is -4
at the moment. I've just had a scan round with the binoculars but the
turbines on the moors are behind mist. I could see the top of Emley Moor
mast though, sticking out into the sunshine and seeming unconnected to
the earth.

Bill

"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...
Arfa Daily wrote:
So. Here it is. Bloody cold. Severe frost last night.
Skies were so clear you could see right across the galaxy
... My mate has just rung me to say that he has just
driven past the forest of windmills up the road, and not
a single one is turning. So I had a look at Gridwatch,
and the demand is high. And what is wind contributing ? -
less than 1%. Under 500kW. And what is it that they keep
telling us ? The wind is always blowing somewhere ? Well
today, I guess that's a very light breeze somewhere in
remotest Scotland, then.

Gridwatch should be required viewing for every numpty
politician and scientist that honestly believes that
backing this nonsense and destroying our fossil
capability, is going to leave us anything other than
without any power at all ... :-\

Arfa

The ones I can see from here are stationary. The
temperature here is -4 at the moment. I've just had a scan
round with the binoculars but the turbines on the moors
are behind mist. I could see the top of Emley Moor mast
though, sticking out into the sunshine and seeming
unconnected to the earth.

Bill



No change there then.


--
Woody

harrogate three at ntlworld dot com

On 20/01/14 16:38, Woody wrote:
"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...
Arfa Daily wrote:
So. Here it is. Bloody cold. Severe frost last night.
Skies were so clear you could see right across the galaxy
... My mate has just rung me to say that he has just
driven past the forest of windmills up the road, and not
a single one is turning. So I had a look at Gridwatch,
and the demand is high. And what is wind contributing ? -
less than 1%. Under 500kW. And what is it that they keep
telling us ? The wind is always blowing somewhere ? Well
today, I guess that's a very light breeze somewhere in
remotest Scotland, then.

Gridwatch should be required viewing for every numpty
politician and scientist that honestly believes that
backing this nonsense and destroying our fossil
capability, is going to leave us anything other than
without any power at all ... :-\

Arfa

The ones I can see from here are stationary. The
temperature here is -4 at the moment. I've just had a scan
round with the binoculars but the turbines on the moors
are behind mist. I could see the top of Emley Moor mast
though, sticking out into the sunshine and seeming
unconnected to the earth.

Bill



No change there then.


right now we are really pushing it

no wind, obviously no solar, pumped and hydro flat out, gas coal and
nuclear flat out, wood burners flat out imports flat out and still
can't get the frequency up to 50Hz..


And we are only pulling 52GW..

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lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the
members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are
rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a
diminishing number of producers.

On 2014-01-20, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
right now we are really pushing it

no wind, obviously no solar, pumped and hydro flat out, gas coal and
nuclear flat out, wood burners flat out imports flat out and still
can't get the frequency up to 50Hz..


And we are only pulling 52GW..


And is there going to be anything left in Dinorwig for
Corrie? (Supposed to be a big story tonight I hear...)


--
Ian

"Tamahome!!!" - "Miaka!!!"

On 20/01/14 18:12, Ian wrote:
On 2014-01-20, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
right now we are really pushing it

no wind, obviously no solar, pumped and hydro flat out, gas coal and
nuclear flat out, wood burners flat out imports flat out and still
can't get the frequency up to 50Hz..


And we are only pulling 52GW..


And is there going to be anything left in Dinorwig for
Corrie? (Supposed to be a big story tonight I hear...)


should think they will be nearly empty by now

They are tapering off fast now but so is the peak load.

Thank god the reservoirs on the stock hydro were full after all that
rain - they are flat out coining it - use it or lose it.


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lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the
members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are
rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a
diminishing number of producers.

On 20/01/2014 17:35, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
right now we are really pushing it

no wind, obviously no solar, pumped and hydro flat out, gas coal and
nuclear flat out, wood burners flat out imports flat out and still
can't get the frequency up to 50Hz..


And we are only pulling 52GW..

Down to 45 now and just over 50Hz.

Must be OK though, the OCGT isn't showing anything.

Our local windfarm was doing f-all this morning when I went past, and
the wind has now dropped... Shame because yesterday for the first time I
saw them all running at once. There's usually at least one down.

Andy

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

right now we are really pushing it

no wind, obviously no solar, pumped and hydro flat out, gas coal and
nuclear flat out, wood burners flat out imports flat out and still
can't get the frequency up to 50Hz..

Thankfully it's still short-sleeve order out there

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 20/01/14 16:38, Woody wrote:
"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...
Arfa Daily wrote:
So. Here it is. Bloody cold. Severe frost last night.
Skies were so clear you could see right across the galaxy
... My mate has just rung me to say that he has just
driven past the forest of windmills up the road, and not
a single one is turning. So I had a look at Gridwatch,
and the demand is high. And what is wind contributing ? -
less than 1%. Under 500kW. And what is it that they keep
telling us ? The wind is always blowing somewhere ? Well
today, I guess that's a very light breeze somewhere in
remotest Scotland, then.

Gridwatch should be required viewing for every numpty
politician and scientist that honestly believes that
backing this nonsense and destroying our fossil
capability, is going to leave us anything other than
without any power at all ... :-\

Arfa

The ones I can see from here are stationary. The
temperature here is -4 at the moment. I've just had a scan
round with the binoculars but the turbines on the moors
are behind mist. I could see the top of Emley Moor mast
though, sticking out into the sunshine and seeming
unconnected to the earth.

Bill



No change there then.


right now we are really pushing it

no wind, obviously no solar, pumped and hydro flat out, gas coal and
nuclear flat out, wood burners flat out imports flat out and still can't
get the frequency up to 50Hz..


And we are only pulling 52GW..

--


The way it's going to be for the foreseeable future, I fear. And it's not
actually especially cold right now ...

Arfa

In article ,
Arfa Daily wrote:
Gridwatch should be required viewing for every numpty politician and
scientist that honestly believes that backing this nonsense and
destroying our fossil capability, is going to leave us anything other
than without any power at all ... :-\

That'll be why there's all this push for fracking, then?

--
*Hard work has a future payoff. Laziness pays off NOW.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 20/01/14 18:46, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Arfa Daily wrote:
Gridwatch should be required viewing for every numpty politician and
scientist that honestly believes that backing this nonsense and
destroying our fossil capability, is going to leave us anything other
than without any power at all ... :-\

That'll be why there's all this push for fracking, then?

yup. In Germany they strip mine high sulfur lignite.

Here we will have to frack gas to pretend that the money we wasted on
renewable energy wasn't actually wasted.



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lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the
members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are
rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a
diminishing number of producers.

Arfa Daily wrote:

My mate has just rung me to say
that he has just driven past the forest of windmills up the road, and not a
single one is turning.

I've driven round half of Nottinghamshire today, not one of the buggers
was even twitching ...

"Arfa Daily" wrote in message
...
So. Here it is. Bloody cold. Severe frost last night. Skies were so clear
you could see right across the galaxy ... My mate has just rung me to say
that he has just driven past the forest of windmills up the road, and not
a single one is turning. So I had a look at Gridwatch, and the demand is
high. And what is wind contributing ? - less than 1%. Under 500kW.

Slip of the finger. That should of course have read MW ... :-)


Arfa