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In listening to the reports of people without power for the last
couple of days am I alone in thinking that complaining about a service with a 99.98% up-time reliability is a bit of a moan. (Guessing that she's in her 50s, so she's had 5 days downtime in 20,000+ days.) jgh |
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I heard one woman complaining that she couldn't get through to talk to
anyone on the phone about the situation. I think the powers that be knew about the fault and were busy deploting their workers. Many people don't know who to contact when it is a distribution fault anyway. -- DerbyBorn |
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I'd imagine the point is when its happened.
In them old days you would see bods going along all power line routes checking trees and cutting them where there was a danger of them hitting the lines. I don't think this is done or at least not done so often as it used to be. t This is the main issue here. Obviously, the other issue is putting sub stations etc, on areas formerly as flood plains. The water damage aspect could be mitigated by better builds of course. In the end its all trade offs against cost and profit and reliability in extreme weather. We are apparently notorious for being unprepared for anything, which is odd considering we can have all four seasons in a day here. Brian -- From the Sofa of Brian Gaff Reply address is active wrote in message ... In listening to the reports of people without power for the last couple of days am I alone in thinking that complaining about a service with a 99.98% up-time reliability is a bit of a moan. (Guessing that she's in her 50s, so she's had 5 days downtime in 20,000+ days.) jgh |
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On Fri, 27 Dec 2013 22:37:01 +0000, Tim Streater wrote:
I know that anyone here might find it astonishing, but a good proportion of the population don't follow news or have much idea about anything. Not astonished at all, most of the population *are* as thick as two short planks. But then dinner table conversation here tends to be on subjects such as particle physics, faster than light travel theory, cell biology, current space exploration, etc etc We are apparently notorious for being unprepared for anything, which is odd considering we can have all four seasons in a day here. That is the problem, the planks haven't put any thought at all in how to cope with a simple power cut. So they just panic and blame everyone else for *their* failure to prepare. -- Cheers Dave. |
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On Fri, 27 Dec 2013 18:21:53 +0000, robert
wrote: On 27/12/2013 17:54, wrote: In listening to the reports of people without power for the last couple of days I agree that some people expectations are too high when there is such widespread disruption. The more we rely on technology and get used to resilient services the more we are unprepared and suffer when they do occasionally fail. I see a market for "urban survival courses " ! We could start a list of what simple things could be taught or even put in a government booklet along the "Protect and Survive model" though hopefully it should be advice that works. I'll kick off, 1. keep a conventional wired phone available that plugs into the BT socket. You won't then need to call a radio phone in when your power is restored and moan you couldn't contact anyone for 3 days because your walk round the house ones become useless 2. A lot of people have a power source parked on their drive, learn how to tap it to run the telly,radio laptop etc. Sine wave inverters aren't that costly and while continuous use might not be recommended an hour or so to check on things should be possible. You might even run an oil or gas fired boiler if you can power the electric controls at intervals and keep warm. G.Harman |
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On Fri, 27 Dec 2013 18:21:53 +0000, robert wrote:
With smart phones accessing such information has become feasible as long as the local Mobile network is not down. Which in the event of a wide area power outage the mobile networks are very likely to be down. Very few cells have much, if any, backup power. The more we rely on technology and get used to resilient services ... The mobile networks are anything but resilient. If they were resilient they would stay working short of the aerials/masts failing. A simple loss of mains power should not be a problem for *any* half decent resilient system. ... the more we are unprepared and suffer when they do occasionally fail. Agreed, I wonder how many people have a reliable, non-tech, backup for their satnav, in the car where they are most likely to need it? And of those how many would know how to use that backup? -- Cheers Dave. |
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In message , Brian Gaff
writes I'd imagine the point is when its happened. In them old days you would see bods going along all power line routes checking trees and cutting them where there was a danger of them hitting the lines. I don't think this is done or at least not done so often as it used to be. It is round here only they fly over in helicopters snip -- bert |
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On Fri, 27 Dec 2013 20:08:09 +0000, DerbyBorn wrote:
I heard one woman complaining that she couldn't get through to talk to anyone on the phone about the situation. I think the powers that be knew about the fault and were busy deploting their workers. Many people don't know who to contact when it is a distribution fault anyway. My power supplier has a website to show outages. Last time there was an outage they did not show it since the outage "affected only a few people". I told them that I wouldn't have to phone them if they updated their website. Naturally I have an emergency power supply so that I can run the computer, broadband, phone, TV and lights. But I need to know if the outage is going to be more than a few hours, then I'll crank up the generator and maybe run an extension lead to my 80 year old neighbours. |
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"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message ll.co.uk... On Fri, 27 Dec 2013 18:21:53 +0000, robert wrote: With smart phones accessing such information has become feasible as long as the local Mobile network is not down. Which in the event of a wide area power outage the mobile networks are very likely to be down. Very few cells have much, if any, backup power. The more we rely on technology and get used to resilient services ... The mobile networks are anything but resilient. If they were resilient they would stay working short of the aerials/masts failing. A simple loss of mains power should not be a problem for *any* half decent resilient system. ... the more we are unprepared and suffer when they do occasionally fail. Agreed, I wonder how many people have a reliable, non-tech, backup for their satnav, in the car where they are most likely to need it? I don't see that as much of a problem, essentially because most don't actually use a satnav all that much of the time, only really when they are in an area they aren't familiar with or when they want to get to a specific location efficiently. And I don't use mine anymore even for that, I use the smartphone instead. And if the smartphone does die, there is usually someone else in the car that has another. And of those how many would know how to use that backup? It isnt hard to work it out with a decent smartphone or to get someone else to use theirs if yours dies. |
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MattyF wrote:
then I'll crank up the generator and maybe run an extension lead to my 80 year old neighbours. Euthanasia seems an extreme reaction to a power cut. Bill |
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Dave Liquorice wrote:
Agreed, I wonder how many people have a reliable, non-tech, backup for their satnav, in the car where they are most likely to need it? satnav, wots one of them? I use something called "a map", backed up with "my eyes". jgh |
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On 27/12/2013 23:53, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Fri, 27 Dec 2013 22:37:01 +0000, Tim Streater wrote: I know that anyone here might find it astonishing, but a good proportion of the population don't follow news or have much idea about anything. Not astonished at all, most of the population *are* as thick as two short planks. But then dinner table conversation here tends to be on subjects such as particle physics, faster than light travel theory, cell biology, current space exploration, etc etc .. . . deftly weaving in the epistemological concerns of structuration theory (and others!) as the small hours approach . . . We are apparently notorious for being unprepared for anything, which is odd considering we can have all four seasons in a day here. That is the problem, the planks haven't put any thought at all in how to cope with a simple power cut. So they just panic and blame everyone else for *their* failure to prepare. .. . . leading to the explanation of all things!! Oh how the winter's evenings must fly by. -- Cheers, Rob |
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There's a chap on the news at the moment who lives in a house-
on-stilts (garage and entrance stairway on ground floor, living accommodation upstairs) and is complaining that all the stuff he had in his garage was flooded and ruined and demands better flood defences. Err... the flood defences were building your your b****y house with the accommodation up above flood level. jgh |
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I don't think people ar thick. Its more to do with the expectation that the
state will provide. Its Health and safety and the success of the hype of how advanced we are. In the end, its up to us as has been said. What often frustrates me is that I am only not prepared due to a lack of suitable stuff blind folk can operate etc, I do try to think of the what if xxx but am frustrated by the one size fits all commercial world. Brian -- From the Sofa of Brian Gaff Reply address is active "Dave Liquorice" wrote in message ll.co.uk... On Fri, 27 Dec 2013 22:37:01 +0000, Tim Streater wrote: I know that anyone here might find it astonishing, but a good proportion of the population don't follow news or have much idea about anything. Not astonished at all, most of the population *are* as thick as two short planks. But then dinner table conversation here tends to be on subjects such as particle physics, faster than light travel theory, cell biology, current space exploration, etc etc We are apparently notorious for being unprepared for anything, which is odd considering we can have all four seasons in a day here. That is the problem, the planks haven't put any thought at all in how to cope with a simple power cut. So they just panic and blame everyone else for *their* failure to prepare. -- Cheers Dave. |
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On Friday 27 December 2013 23:53 Dave Liquorice wrote in uk.d-i-y:
On Fri, 27 Dec 2013 22:37:01 +0000, Tim Streater wrote: I know that anyone here might find it astonishing, but a good proportion of the population don't follow news or have much idea about anything. Not astonished at all, most of the population *are* as thick as two short planks. But then dinner table conversation here tends to be on subjects such as particle physics, faster than light travel theory, cell biology, current space exploration, etc etc I'm reading Mr Tompkins to my 8 and 10 year olds - they seem to get it which is encouraging. My 10 year old spits in the general direction of One Direction and agrees with me that Bieber is in fact the missing link... We are apparently notorious for being unprepared for anything, which is odd considering we can have all four seasons in a day here. That is the problem, the planks haven't put any thought at all in how to cope with a simple power cut. So they just panic and blame everyone else for *their* failure to prepare. Have you noticed how few people even have a few candles stashed away. When I was a kid we had a boxfull and that was before the 3 day week. -- Tim Watts Personal Blog: http://squiddy.blog.dionic.net/ http://www.sensorly.com/ Crowd mapping of 2G/3G/4G mobile signal coverage |
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On Saturday 28 December 2013 00:10 Dave Liquorice wrote in uk.d-i-y:
On Fri, 27 Dec 2013 18:21:53 +0000, robert wrote: With smart phones accessing such information has become feasible as long as the local Mobile network is not down. Which in the event of a wide area power outage the mobile networks are very likely to be down. Very few cells have much, if any, backup power. The more we rely on technology and get used to resilient services ... The mobile networks are anything but resilient. If they were resilient they would stay working short of the aerials/masts failing. A simple loss of mains power should not be a problem for *any* half decent resilient system. It is an extremely poor state of affairs considering how solid the wired system is. This is why, despite using VOIP a lot, I will always have a POTS line. ... the more we are unprepared and suffer when they do occasionally fail. Agreed, I wonder how many people have a reliable, non-tech, backup for their satnav, in the car where they are most likely to need it? And of those how many would know how to use that backup? -- Tim Watts Personal Blog: http://squiddy.blog.dionic.net/ http://www.sensorly.com/ Crowd mapping of 2G/3G/4G mobile signal coverage |
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On Saturday 28 December 2013 08:16 wrote in uk.d-i-y:
There's a chap on the news at the moment who lives in a house- on-stilts (garage and entrance stairway on ground floor, living accommodation upstairs) and is complaining that all the stuff he had in his garage was flooded and ruined and demands better flood defences. Err... the flood defences were building your your b****y house with the accommodation up above flood level. Duhhh... That is indeed the pattern around here for new builds. Seems reasonable too given it is a) easy to relocate a car; b) the losses are limited unless you operate a machine shop in your garage. -- Tim Watts Personal Blog: http://squiddy.blog.dionic.net/ http://www.sensorly.com/ Crowd mapping of 2G/3G/4G mobile signal coverage |
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John Williamson scribbled...
The power companies have cut down on repair staff and repair equipment. WTF is going to invest £millions of off-road vehicles for them to be used for a couple of days each year? These ****wits in big houses out in the country without power in Surrey all assume they are 1st on the list to be reconnected, now they're learning it doesn't work like that. The power companies will concentrate on getting the areas with denser population back on first. As for the ****s living about 2ft above the Medway in Yalding. WTF do they expect living on a floodplain that's flooded regularly for thousands of years! Living in, as was pointed out by a local councillor on Radio 4 earlier, houses that were built over 100 years ago, so they have, presumab;y, been flooded many times. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1013306.stm Flooded 8 times in one year I've got a little sympathy for the owner of a trip boat on the Medway, which somehow got trapped under another boat and is currently on the bottom of the river waiting for another flood to lift the other boat off, so the owner can then try to raise his boat. Or a crane to wander by.... He did all *he* could to minimise his risk. Did he forget to lengthen his mooring ropes? |
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Dave Liquorice scribbled...
On Fri, 27 Dec 2013 18:21:53 +0000, robert wrote: With smart phones accessing such information has become feasible as long as the local Mobile network is not down. Which in the event of a wide area power outage the mobile networks are very likely to be down. Very few cells have much, if any, backup power. The more we rely on technology and get used to resilient services ... The mobile networks are anything but resilient. If they were resilient they would stay working short of the aerials/masts failing. A simple loss of mains power should not be a problem for *any* half decent resilient system. ... the more we are unprepared and suffer when they do occasionally fail. Agreed, I wonder how many people have a reliable, non-tech, backup for their satnav, in the car where they are most likely to need it? And of those how many would know how to use that backup? Exactly why would someone be travelling to a unknown destination in such bad weather? |
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On 28/12/2013 10:11, Tim Streater wrote:
3) Coupla boxes of candles 4) For those without gas, alternative cooking method, such as a small campingaz portable cooker. I have a "big" USB battery - enough oomph to recharge my phone several times. Has built-in torch which (it claims) can run for over 600 hours. Obviously cannot do both! But prefer that as a basic form of light to candles with the dangers they represent. Although we have gas, we have an electric cooker. Shame there is no way of inexpensively and temporarily connecting a ring or two to allow cooking. -- Rod |
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On 28/12/2013 10:16, Artic wrote:
Dave Liquorice scribbled... On Fri, 27 Dec 2013 18:21:53 +0000, robert wrote: With smart phones accessing such information has become feasible as long as the local Mobile network is not down. Which in the event of a wide area power outage the mobile networks are very likely to be down. Very few cells have much, if any, backup power. The more we rely on technology and get used to resilient services ... The mobile networks are anything but resilient. If they were resilient they would stay working short of the aerials/masts failing. A simple loss of mains power should not be a problem for *any* half decent resilient system. ... the more we are unprepared and suffer when they do occasionally fail. Agreed, I wonder how many people have a reliable, non-tech, backup for their satnav, in the car where they are most likely to need it? And of those how many would know how to use that backup? Exactly why would someone be travelling to a unknown destination in such bad weather? The destination might be well known - but the route not. A number of years ago I needed to go from London area to mid-Wales - a route I know very well, and both ends I know very well. The heavy rain was causing such bad delays on the M40 that I went off across country. Satnav would have been most useful - but I made do with my memory, signs and maps because I did not then have satnav. Despite that I arrived many hours ahead of a friend who decided to stay on the motorway at the same time. Despite having to drive carefully to avoid abandoned vehicles along a lot of the route. -- Rod |
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On Sat, 28 Dec 2013 00:10:36 +0000 (GMT)
"Dave Liquorice" wrote: On Fri, 27 Dec 2013 18:21:53 +0000, robert wrote: With smart phones accessing such information has become feasible as long as the local Mobile network is not down. Which in the event of a wide area power outage the mobile networks are very likely to be down. Very few cells have much, if any, backup power. The more we rely on technology and get used to resilient services ... The mobile networks are anything but resilient. If they were resilient they would stay working short of the aerials/masts failing. A simple loss of mains power should not be a problem for *any* half decent resilient system. ... the more we are unprepared and suffer when they do occasionally fail. Agreed, I wonder how many people have a reliable, non-tech, backup for their satnav, in the car where they are most likely to need it? And of those how many would know how to use that backup? You mean: a Map? Now there's a thought! It also requires the knowledge of how to read it, of course. I usually keep both a set of local maps and a National Atlas in my car. Back in my days in the American Mid-West, standard in-car stuff in winter was: Space Blanket Cups/Mugs Matches Newspaper Chocolate bars/nut bars Shovel Bits of old carpet And they were kept in the cabin, not in the boot. I needed the space blanket once, when the Kentucky Freeway I was on was snowed to a standstill. In eight hours, the traffic moved half a mile. -- Davey. |
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On Sat, 28 Dec 2013 13:49:15 +0000, wrote:
On Sat, 28 Dec 2013 00:07:03 +0000, wrote: 2. A lot of people have a power source parked on their drive, learn how to tap it to run the telly,radio laptop etc. Sine wave inverters aren't that costly and while continuous use might not be recommended an hour or so to check on things should be possible. You might even run an oil or gas fired boiler if you can power the electric controls at intervals and keep warm. G.Harman We also, generally, have a fully charged spare car battery - which is one of two used for powering an electric fence and I'd really like to be able to run the oil boiler and router and laptop sporadically during power outages. I'm very interested in your point 2 concerning an inverter. The boiler specifies a 5A supply but I guess this is only at startup. General running , I'd expect to be about 300W plus 100W for the circulating pump. Router and laptop would be very minor. So, total would be around 500W. Battery is 50-60Ah so, I'm guessing would run things for , at best, a couple of hours. As we'd have to presume any power outage could be a few days, it looks only practical for recharging a mobile phone and running laptop/router and radio. These things alone would be very useful. Could I trouble you to point me to the sort of thing that might be able to do this? Have a read of this, http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Technica..._Inverters.pdf As with anything you can buy cheap on Ebay but reliability and doing what it claims it can do usually costs bit more. Personally I was thinking along the lines of running the car engine for the short period you may want to do a few things rather than run a battery down too far,especially a car one. For some people that is the only generator they have access to and in many homes won't have room for much else. Others may actually be better off with an actual generator if they have room for it and to safely store the fuel as well. But cheap ones aren't really designed to run for days. You really need a well built diesel one for that. That you have an electric fence suggests you may have a bit of land so do have a tractor? you can get generators that run of the Power take off but even if you need to charge a battery to run an inverter a tractor would usually be a better tool than a car. It's all about making the best of what you have. G.Harman |
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On 28/12/2013 15:40, wrote:
On Sat, 28 Dec 2013 13:49:15 +0000, wrote: On Sat, 28 Dec 2013 00:07:03 +0000, wrote: 2. A lot of people have a power source parked on their drive, learn how to tap it to run the telly,radio laptop etc. Sine wave inverters aren't that costly and while continuous use might not be recommended an hour or so to check on things should be possible. You might even run an oil or gas fired boiler if you can power the electric controls at intervals and keep warm. G.Harman We also, generally, have a fully charged spare car battery - which is one of two used for powering an electric fence and I'd really like to be able to run the oil boiler and router and laptop sporadically during power outages. I'm very interested in your point 2 concerning an inverter. The boiler specifies a 5A supply but I guess this is only at startup. General running , I'd expect to be about 300W plus 100W for the circulating pump. Router and laptop would be very minor. So, total would be around 500W. Battery is 50-60Ah so, I'm guessing would run things for , at best, a couple of hours. As we'd have to presume any power outage could be a few days, it looks only practical for recharging a mobile phone and running laptop/router and radio. These things alone would be very useful. Could I trouble you to point me to the sort of thing that might be able to do this? Have a read of this, http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Technica..._Inverters.pdf As with anything you can buy cheap on Ebay but reliability and doing what it claims it can do usually costs bit more. Personally I was thinking along the lines of running the car engine for the short period you may want to do a few things rather than run a battery down too far,especially a car one. For some people that is the only generator they have access to and in many homes won't have room for much else. Others may actually be better off with an actual generator if they have room for it and to safely store the fuel as well. But cheap ones aren't really designed to run for days. You really need a well built diesel one for that. That you have an electric fence suggests you may have a bit of land so do have a tractor? you can get generators that run of the Power take off but even if you need to charge a battery to run an inverter a tractor would usually be a better tool than a car. It's all about making the best of what you have. G.Harman I've used a small inverter from the car(400watt) on 3 occasions when we've had a power cut. I ran a small LED light and a laptop for a whole evening by just running the car for 10 minutes or so every hour. |
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On 28/12/2013 10:16, Artic wrote:
Dave Liquorice scribbled... On Fri, 27 Dec 2013 18:21:53 +0000, robert wrote: With smart phones accessing such information has become feasible as long as the local Mobile network is not down. Which in the event of a wide area power outage the mobile networks are very likely to be down. Very few cells have much, if any, backup power. The more we rely on technology and get used to resilient services ... The mobile networks are anything but resilient. If they were resilient they would stay working short of the aerials/masts failing. A simple loss of mains power should not be a problem for *any* half decent resilient system. ... the more we are unprepared and suffer when they do occasionally fail. Agreed, I wonder how many people have a reliable, non-tech, backup for their satnav, in the car where they are most likely to need it? And of those how many would know how to use that backup? Exactly why would someone be travelling to a unknown destination in such bad weather? They may be travelling to known destination by an unknown route due to roads being closed. The satnav may know which roads are closed, the map wont. |
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"Tim Watts" wrote in message ... On Friday 27 December 2013 23:53 Dave Liquorice wrote in uk.d-i-y: On Fri, 27 Dec 2013 22:37:01 +0000, Tim Streater wrote: I know that anyone here might find it astonishing, but a good proportion of the population don't follow news or have much idea about anything. Not astonished at all, most of the population *are* as thick as two short planks. But then dinner table conversation here tends to be on subjects such as particle physics, faster than light travel theory, cell biology, current space exploration, etc etc I'm reading Mr Tompkins to my 8 and 10 year olds - they seem to get it which is encouraging. My 10 year old spits in the general direction of One Direction and agrees with me that Bieber is in fact the missing link... We are apparently notorious for being unprepared for anything, which is odd considering we can have all four seasons in a day here. That is the problem, the planks haven't put any thought at all in how to cope with a simple power cut. So they just panic and blame everyone else for *their* failure to prepare. Have you noticed how few people even have a few candles stashed away. I find that rechargeable torches are a hell of a lot more useful. I've got a generator too for the more important stuff than light and that works fine if the power failure lasts longer than the 8 hours the rechargeable lights will last for. When I was a kid we had a boxfull and that was before the 3 day week. And then the world moved on just a tad and those of use who aren't actually desperate povs can afford a cheap generator and get to do a lot better than with a box of candles. |
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"Tim Watts" wrote in message ... On Saturday 28 December 2013 00:10 Dave Liquorice wrote in uk.d-i-y: On Fri, 27 Dec 2013 18:21:53 +0000, robert wrote: With smart phones accessing such information has become feasible as long as the local Mobile network is not down. Which in the event of a wide area power outage the mobile networks are very likely to be down. Very few cells have much, if any, backup power. The more we rely on technology and get used to resilient services ... The mobile networks are anything but resilient. If they were resilient they would stay working short of the aerials/masts failing. A simple loss of mains power should not be a problem for *any* half decent resilient system. It is an extremely poor state of affairs considering how solid the wired system is. This is why, despite using VOIP a lot, I will always have a POTS line. It isnt why I still have a POTS line. I have it because I can't get a naked DSL line here, no POTS service. ... the more we are unprepared and suffer when they do occasionally fail. Agreed, I wonder how many people have a reliable, non-tech, backup for their satnav, in the car where they are most likely to need it? And of those how many would know how to use that backup? |
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That is the problem, the planks haven't put any thought at all in how to cope with a simple power cut. So they just panic and blame everyone else for *their* failure to prepare. Have you noticed how few people even have a few candles stashed away. I find that rechargeable torches are a hell of a lot more useful. I've got a generator too for the more important stuff than light and that works fine if the power failure lasts longer than the 8 hours the rechargeable lights will last for. When I was a kid we had a boxfull and that was before the 3 day week. And then the world moved on just a tad and those of use who aren't actually desperate povs can afford a cheap generator and get to do a lot better than with a box of candles. I've got one of those power packs that start the car instead of a jump start(you never know). My point being, that it has a built in 230v mains inverter and a variety of sockets (USB etc). I keep it fully charged up(obviously) and in the event of a power cut it would give us some light(built into the unit) and run a few low powered mains devices for a few hours. Very handy. Only cost £70, good value. Oh! and it has a built in compressor to blow up tyres etc. |
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And they were kept in the cabin, not in the boot.
I keep mine in the boot, but then I can open the boot from the passenger compartment. Once had to enter that way when I found I was blocked in so tight I couldn't open the doors. jgh |
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dennis wrote:
The satnav may know which roads are closed, the map wont. How does a satnav know that roads are closed? A satnav is simply a map that knows dynamically where on the map it is, it isn't psychic. jgh |
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On Saturday 28 December 2013 20:52 John Williamson wrote in uk.d-i-y:
On 28/12/2013 20:39, wrote: dennis wrote: The satnav may know which roads are closed, the map wont. How does a satnav know that roads are closed? A satnav is simply a map that knows dynamically where on the map it is, it isn't psychic. Some satnavs have a receiver for live(ish) traffic and road information. It's normally piggybacked onto classic FM, IIRC. Or it's running on a smartphone with 3G. -- Tim Watts Personal Blog: http://squiddy.blog.dionic.net/ http://www.sensorly.com/ Crowd mapping of 2G/3G/4G mobile signal coverage |
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Davey scribbled...
Back in my days in the American Mid-West, standard in-car stuff in winter was: Space Blanket Cups/Mugs Matches Newspaper Chocolate bars/nut bars Shovel Bits of old carpet Wot no guns ? |
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On 28/12/2013 20:52, John Williamson wrote:
On 28/12/2013 20:39, wrote: dennis wrote: The satnav may know which roads are closed, the map wont. How does a satnav know that roads are closed? A satnav is simply a map that knows dynamically where on the map it is, it isn't psychic. Some satnavs have a receiver for live(ish) traffic and road information. It's normally piggybacked onto classic FM, IIRC. Mine runs a data connection and is pretty good at knowing what the traffic is like and where the hold ups are. It gets data from the road sensors and from other satnav users out on the road. |
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