So.. lifted the carpet in the back bedroom the other day to reveal this:

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=263h...5#.UnkEQhAmjEg

Arse.

Now for the tricky bit... The 'floorboards' go under the wall. So how to replace that bit? I'd really rather not destroy the bathroom on the other side of the wall (it's all tiled, including the side of the bath).

Half tempted to rip the lot up and replace with proper floorboards.

Philip

" wrote in news:516a8069-a4b1-422a-
:

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=263h...5#.UnkEQhAmjEg



Put laminate flooring down?

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On Tuesday, November 5, 2013 4:05:13 PM UTC, DerbyBorn wrote:
" wrote in news:516a8069-a4b1-422a-

:



http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=263h...5#.UnkEQhAmjEg







Put laminate flooring down?



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DerbyBorn

Chipboard is falling apart on the underside due to water damage so not really strong enough and needs to be replaced.

Also I hate laminate flooring.

Philip

wrote:
So.. lifted the carpet in the back bedroom the other day to reveal this:

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=263h...5#.UnkEQhAmjEg

Remove gripper & skirting.

Cut chipboard flush with the (presumably stud) wall.

Cut back chipboard to give a decent section to span (piddly bits are
usually horribly flimsy.)

Measure and cut new floor sections[1].

Now this is the clever bit. Get a piece of decent timber, something like
1" x 0.75" (maybe 1x1") and screw the chipboard to it so that, when the
floor's down, the batten will sit flush against the wall where the
skirting was. Screw from the underside of the chip, preferably with some
penny washers to spread the load, into the short face of the batten.

Lay floor, then screw through the long face of the batten into the floor
plate of the studwork (or, if block, make the long face 2 or 3" and
screw in higher up.)

Shove a piece of (cut down) skirting above it, et voila.


[1] How old is the place? Helped a friend with endless crappy sections
and, in the end, we did the whole lot as the old stuff was imperial and
didn't butt up nicely to the new metric.

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Scott

Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?

On Tuesday, November 5, 2013 4:38:31 PM UTC, Scott M wrote:
wrote:

So.. lifted the carpet in the back bedroom the other day to reveal this:



http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=263h...5#.UnkEQhAmjEg



Remove gripper & skirting.



Cut chipboard flush with the (presumably stud) wall.



Cut back chipboard to give a decent section to span (piddly bits are

usually horribly flimsy.)



Measure and cut new floor sections[1].



Now this is the clever bit. Get a piece of decent timber, something like

1" x 0.75" (maybe 1x1") and screw the chipboard to it so that, when the

floor's down, the batten will sit flush against the wall where the

skirting was. Screw from the underside of the chip, preferably with some

penny washers to spread the load, into the short face of the batten.



Lay floor, then screw through the long face of the batten into the floor

plate of the studwork (or, if block, make the long face 2 or 3" and

screw in higher up.)



Shove a piece of (cut down) skirting above it, et voila.





[1] How old is the place? Helped a friend with endless crappy sections

and, in the end, we did the whole lot as the old stuff was imperial and

didn't butt up nicely to the new metric.



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Scott



Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?

Cunning.

I believe it is 1979.

Philip

wrote:
On Tuesday, November 5, 2013 4:38:31 PM UTC, Scott M wrote:

[1] How old is the place? Helped a friend with endless crappy sections
and, in the end, we did the whole lot as the old stuff was imperial and
didn't butt up nicely to the new metric.

Cunning.

I believe it is 1979.

Good chance it's metric but you can never tell! Get a vernier caliper on
a piece, although being a carpeted room it won't be as irritating and
obvious as under lino which this was.

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Scott

Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?

On Tuesday, 5 November 2013 14:50:39 UTC, wrote:
So.. lifted the carpet in the back bedroom the other day to reveal this:



http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=263h...5#.UnkEQhAmjEg



Arse.



Remove skirting

Cut back chipboard

Attach joist hangers to floor plate and studs of wall keeping metalwork below level of the top of the skirting.

Drop in noggins of 4"x2" from joist hangers to existing joist.

Assuming studs are at 400mm centres so will your noggins this allows you to use 1200mm lengths of chipboard supported on at least 4 noggins each. This should limit deflection when walked on.

Replace skirting covering up joist hangers

Use
Now for the tricky bit... The 'floorboards' go under the wall. So how to replace that bit? I'd really rather not destroy the bathroom on the other side of the wall (it's all tiled, including the side of the bath).



Half tempted to rip the lot up and replace with proper floorboards.



Philip

On 05/11/2013 17:41, Tricky Dicky wrote:
On Tuesday, 5 November 2013 14:50:39 UTC, wrote:
So.. lifted the carpet in the back bedroom the other day to reveal
this:



http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=263h...5#.UnkEQhAmjEg



Arse.




This doesn't look like a flooring grade chip, which is much denser. It
should also be the green waterproof stuff if it's vulnerable to water.
All chip shouldn't be lumped together because the correct grades perform
very well IME

On Tuesday 05 November 2013 14:50 wrote in uk.d-i-y:

So.. lifted the carpet in the back bedroom the other day to reveal this:

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=263h...5#.UnkEQhAmjEg

Arse.

Now for the tricky bit... The 'floorboards' go under the wall. So how to
replace that bit? I'd really rather not destroy the bathroom on the other
side of the wall (it's all tiled, including the side of the bath).

Half tempted to rip the lot up and replace with proper floorboards.

Philip

Looks like my upstairs.

Only solutiuon: cut it off flush.

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On 05/11/2013 20:18, Tim Watts wrote:
On Tuesday 05 November 2013 14:50 wrote in uk.d-i-y:

So.. lifted the carpet in the back bedroom the other day to reveal this:

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=263h...5#.UnkEQhAmjEg

Arse.

Now for the tricky bit... The 'floorboards' go under the wall. So how to
replace that bit? I'd really rather not destroy the bathroom on the other
side of the wall (it's all tiled, including the side of the bath).

Half tempted to rip the lot up and replace with proper floorboards.

Philip

Looks like my upstairs.

Only solutiuon: cut it off flush.

Won't that make the floor edge rather springy??

On 05/11/2013 20:18, Tim Watts wrote:
On Tuesday 05 November 2013 14:50 wrote in uk.d-i-y:

So.. lifted the carpet in the back bedroom the other day to reveal this:

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=263h...5#.UnkEQhAmjEg

Arse.

Now for the tricky bit... The 'floorboards' go under the wall. So how to
replace that bit? I'd really rather not destroy the bathroom on the other
side of the wall (it's all tiled, including the side of the bath).

Half tempted to rip the lot up and replace with proper floorboards.

Philip

Looks like my upstairs.

Only solutiuon: cut it off flush.


Perfect excuse to get a multi-tool, if you don't have one yet.

On Tuesday, November 5, 2013 9:10:50 PM UTC, newshound wrote:
On 05/11/2013 20:18, Tim Watts wrote:
On Tuesday 05 November 2013 14:50 philipuk wrote in uk.d-i-y:

So.. lifted the carpet in the back bedroom the other day to reveal this:

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=263h...5#.UnkEQhAmjEg

Arse.

Now for the tricky bit... The 'floorboards' go under the wall. So how to
replace that bit? I'd really rather not destroy the bathroom on the other
side of the wall (it's all tiled, including the side of the bath).

Half tempted to rip the lot up and replace with proper floorboards.

Philip

Looks like my upstairs.

Only solutiuon: cut it off flush.

Perfect excuse to get a multi-tool, if you don't have one yet.

+1. One of those oscillating/vibrating/semirotary saws. If one's really not affordable you'd need to use a floorboard saw, which has teeth on an outside curve IYSWIM.


NT

On Tuesday 05 November 2013 21:09 Fredxx wrote in uk.d-i-y:

On 05/11/2013 20:18, Tim Watts wrote:
On Tuesday 05 November 2013 14:50 wrote in uk.d-i-y:

So.. lifted the carpet in the back bedroom the other day to reveal this:

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=263h...5#.UnkEQhAmjEg

Arse.

Now for the tricky bit... The 'floorboards' go under the wall. So how to
replace that bit? I'd really rather not destroy the bathroom on the
other side of the wall (it's all tiled, including the side of the bath).

Half tempted to rip the lot up and replace with proper floorboards.

Philip

Looks like my upstairs.

Only solutiuon: cut it off flush.

Won't that make the floor edge rather springy??

Naturally you'd need to add noggins/battens as appropriate...


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On 05/11/2013 14:50, wrote:
So.. lifted the carpet in the back bedroom the other day to reveal
this:

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=263h...5#.UnkEQhAmjEg

Arse.

Now for the tricky bit... The 'floorboards' go under the wall. So how
to replace that bit? I'd really rather not destroy the bathroom on
the other side of the wall (it's all tiled, including the side of the
bath).

Cut it off flush with the wall (Mutimaster type tool, or a biscuit
jointer can get close up to the edge).

Screw some additional support timbers to the sides of the joists to take
the free ends of the new board (and cut off edge of the old).

Drop in new flooring.

If you wanted, you could even fix what is there simply by offering up a
2x2 or similar to the underside of the broken bits and screwing down
through the floor into - if it extends a couple of feet out either side
beyond the broken bit it will carry the load well enough.

Half tempted to rip the lot up and replace with proper floorboards.

Philip



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On 05/11/2013 20:06, stuart noble wrote:
On 05/11/2013 17:41, Tricky Dicky wrote:
....
This doesn't look like a flooring grade chip, which is much denser. It
should also be the green waterproof stuff if it's vulnerable to water.

They stopped colouring it green some years ago.

Colin Bignell

On 06/11/2013 01:11, Nightjar wrote:
On 05/11/2013 20:06, stuart noble wrote:
On 05/11/2013 17:41, Tricky Dicky wrote:
...
This doesn't look like a flooring grade chip, which is much denser. It
should also be the green waterproof stuff if it's vulnerable to water.

They stopped colouring it green some years ago.

Colin Bignell

Ah. Shows how long it is since I needed any.

On Tuesday, 5 November 2013 14:50:39 UTC, wrote:

Ilifted the carpet in the back bedroom the other day to reveal this:

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=263h...5#.UnkEQhAmjEg

I'm half tempted to rip the lot up and replace with proper floorboards.

What exactly do you need to do?
The picture shows a slightly knobbled junction of several bits of boarding, so small it all looks like floor tiles. But the worst bit looks like a damaged corner (which is over a bearer.) So all you (don't really) have to do is mix a bit of sawdust, plaster and some PVA and fill it.

But you don't explain why you lifted it. It isn't a structural problem and the aesthetics will be covered by the acceptable use of carpet. Just don't park any chair legs over the offending spot.

I assume you lifted the carpet to replace something. If it is just carpet, do so and forget about it. You will have lots more stuff to worry about if you care to inspect the rest of the house that thoroughly. The best thing to do is not to inspect the house that thoroughly, unless you are insomniac anyway (so won't mind staying up late just to worry about whatever.)

On Wednesday, November 6, 2013 11:44:31 AM UTC, Weatherlawyer wrote:
On Tuesday, 5 November 2013 14:50:39 UTC, wrote:



Ilifted the carpet in the back bedroom the other day to reveal this:



http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=263h...5#.UnkEQhAmjEg



I'm half tempted to rip the lot up and replace with proper floorboards.



What exactly do you need to do?

The picture shows a slightly knobbled junction of several bits of boarding, so small it all looks like floor tiles. But the worst bit looks like a damaged corner (which is over a bearer.) So all you (don't really) have to do is mix a bit of sawdust, plaster and some PVA and fill it.



But you don't explain why you lifted it. It isn't a structural problem and the aesthetics will be covered by the acceptable use of carpet. Just don't park any chair legs over the offending spot.



I assume you lifted the carpet to replace something. If it is just carpet, do so and forget about it. You will have lots more stuff to worry about if you care to inspect the rest of the house that thoroughly. The best thing to do is not to inspect the house that thoroughly, unless you are insomniac anyway (so won't mind staying up late just to worry about whatever.)

I lifted the carpet because the floor was creaking unacceptably and because the green board shows through the carpet (it is 18mm whereas the rest is 22mm and not really supported at one end, unless you call a few screws into the joist it ends alongside, but not over supported)

The hole is a good 8 inches by 4 inches and the damage underneath far more extensive. All the boards along that wall have expanded due to water damage..

Looks like it must have been done by whoever replaced the boiler at some point before we got the house, for a pipe run.

You do sound like the kind of bodger that gives DIY'ers a bad name. Chipboard floorboards are not exactly expensive, no no real excuse not to do the job properly.

Philip

On 06/11/2013 01:11, Nightjar wrote:
On 05/11/2013 20:06, stuart noble wrote:
On 05/11/2013 17:41, Tricky Dicky wrote:
...
This doesn't look like a flooring grade chip, which is much denser. It
should also be the green waterproof stuff if it's vulnerable to water.

They stopped colouring it green some years ago.

Colin Bignell

I bought some green 3 weeks ago!

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On 06/11/2013 18:07, The Medway Handyman wrote:
On 06/11/2013 01:11, Nightjar wrote:
On 05/11/2013 20:06, stuart noble wrote:
On 05/11/2013 17:41, Tricky Dicky wrote:
...
This doesn't look like a flooring grade chip, which is much denser. It
should also be the green waterproof stuff if it's vulnerable to water.

They stopped colouring it green some years ago.

Colin Bignell

I bought some green 3 weeks ago!


Phew!

On Wednesday, 6 November 2013 14:31:14 UTC, wrote:
On Wednesday, November 6, 2013 11:44:31 AM UTC, Weatherlawyer wrote:

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=263h...5#.UnkEQhAmjEg

The picture shows a slightly knobbled junction of several bits of boarding,
so small it all looks like floor tiles.

The hole is a good 8 inches by 4 inches and the damage underneath far more
extensive. All the boards along that wall have expanded due to water damage.

You do sound like the kind of bodger that gives DIY'ers a bad name.

The picture linked to shows a slightly mouse eared tile over a joist. Crawl down it and die there.

If you have a floor with a 8 x 4 inch hole in it, what the hell is a decent, self respecting DIYer doing, asking for advice about rectifying it?

Your OP said:

The 'floorboards' go under the wall. So how to replace that bit?
I'd really rather not destroy the bathroom on the other side of the wall (it's all tiled, including the side of the bath.

Half tempted to rip the lot up and replace with proper floorboards.
So what is stopping you?

***

WTF are you worried about the bathroom for, you plonker?.

The joist runs along the wall about 3 inches from it; new boards will carry that far but you could screw some 2 x 2 along side it if you are afraid of it flopping down.

The wall looks like it was built over the floor as a stud wall. And the sole plate to that will be nailed to the chipboard with 4 inch nails that won't be doing much and are going to be doing a lot less once you chop away all the floor board. But don't let me stop you.

Your next problem will be cutting the boards flush. There are electric saws that can get at it but a small circular saw set at an angle should get the worst of it off I imagine. Just watch you don't go through wiring or plumbing.

Next time you post a picture of a huge hole, make sure you don't post a picture of a mousehole instead. It will save a lot of acrimony.

On 06/11/2013 18:07, The Medway Handyman wrote:
On 06/11/2013 01:11, Nightjar wrote:
On 05/11/2013 20:06, stuart noble wrote:
On 05/11/2013 17:41, Tricky Dicky wrote:
...
This doesn't look like a flooring grade chip, which is much denser. It
should also be the green waterproof stuff if it's vulnerable to water.

They stopped colouring it green some years ago.

Colin Bignell

I bought some green 3 weeks ago!


I bought some about 10 years ago, clearly marked as waterproof, but
brown in colour. Looking at an off cut, the top is slightly darker than
the underside but still brown. That was when the timber merchant told me
that the green colour had been discontinued. The chipboard I bought for
a shed floor about three years ago was the same, as was the stuff the
builder who built my block work shed used.

Colin Bignell