Still running XP and explorer 8? I am starting to get messages about
*chrome frame plug in* soon to be unsupported. Please uninstall and
upgrade to a modern browser!

I am happy with XP as my E-mail software likes it. (Turnpike)

Does Firefox overcome the problem as I don't want to sell my soul to
Google.
--
Tim Lamb

Tim Lamb wrote:

Still running XP and explorer 8? I am starting to get messages about
*chrome frame plug in* soon to be unsupported. Please uninstall and
upgrade to a modern browser!

I am happy with XP as my E-mail software likes it. (Turnpike)

Does Firefox overcome the problem

Yes, firefox will run fine on XP (you might not get hardware accelerated
video layers, but I don't expect that's the end of the world).

I don't want to sell my soul to Google.

If you're running Chrome Frame, haven't you done so already?

"Tim Lamb" wrote in message
...
Still running XP and explorer 8? I am starting to get messages about
*chrome frame plug in* soon to be unsupported. Please uninstall and
upgrade to a modern browser!

I am happy with XP as my E-mail software likes it. (Turnpike)

Does Firefox overcome the problem as I don't want to sell my soul to
Google.
--
Tim Lamb

Firefox is superb. Also with it I no longer seem to get afflicted by malware
from dodgy web sites as it has built in protection to stop you accessing
them. It used to be a fairly regular thing, like every few months, tracking
down the latest nasty and on occasion even having to reload the operating
system from scratch. Haven't had a virus or trojan for 18 months now. Yes I
could also run anti-virus software but they always slowed down this old pc
too much.
--
Dave Baker

On 17/09/2013 10:24, Tim Lamb wrote:

Still running XP and explorer 8? I am starting to get messages about
*chrome frame plug in* soon to be unsupported. Please uninstall and
upgrade to a modern browser!

Which kind of suggests that you are already using the plugin version of
Chrome anyway...

(its being discontinued in Jan 2014)

I am happy with XP as my E-mail software likes it. (Turnpike)

Does Firefox overcome the problem as I don't want to sell my soul to
Google.

Bit late for that by the sounds of it.

However FF works, and renders standards compliant stuff much better than
old versions of IE.


--
Cheers,

John.

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After serious thinking Tim Lamb wrote :
Still running XP and explorer 8? I am starting to get messages about *chrome
frame plug in* soon to be unsupported. Please uninstall and upgrade to a
modern browser!

I am happy with XP as my E-mail software likes it. (Turnpike)

Does Firefox overcome the problem as I don't want to sell my soul to Google.

I recently had to switch from an IE derivative, to FF due to all of the
complaints. FF seems to fix all of the issues I was suffering and works
fine on XP.

--
Regards,
Harry (M1BYT) (L)
http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk

On 17/09/2013 10:24, Tim Lamb wrote:
Still running XP and explorer 8? I am starting to get messages about
*chrome frame plug in* soon to be unsupported. Please uninstall and
upgrade to a modern browser!

I am happy with XP as my E-mail software likes it. (Turnpike)

Does Firefox overcome the problem as I don't want to sell my soul to
Google.

Firefox works fine with XP. I've no idea "chrome frame plugin" is - but
the fact that it's unsupported doesn't *necessarily* mean that it will
stop working - but it might!

Can you not run a later version of IE on XP? I've not tried it, so I
don't know for sure.
--
Cheers,
Roger
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checked.

"Roger Mills" wrote in message
...
On 17/09/2013 10:24, Tim Lamb wrote:
Still running XP and explorer 8? I am starting to get messages about
*chrome frame plug in* soon to be unsupported. Please uninstall and
upgrade to a modern browser!

I am happy with XP as my E-mail software likes it. (Turnpike)

Does Firefox overcome the problem as I don't want to sell my soul to
Google.

Firefox works fine with XP. I've no idea "chrome frame plugin" is - but
the fact that it's unsupported doesn't *necessarily* mean that it will
stop working - but it might!

Trouble with stuff that becomes "unsupported" is that it it still works for
a while but ends up being full of bugs (as internet technology marches on)
and security holes that aren't plugged. Which means that it gets targetted
by "hackers". Especially on an unsupported OS like XP.

"Chrome frame plugin" is just a plugin for a browser to make it act (faster)
like Chrome but not actually *be* Chrome. If you've been using it for any
length of time you've already "sold your soul" so you might as well just
install the full version of Chrome. It's a billion times faster than IE.

It's worth considering upgrading from XP, there's no reason why Thunderbird
wouldn't work with Vista or Windows 7.

On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 11:07:26 +0100, Roger Mills wrote:

Can you not run a later version of IE on XP? I've not tried it, so I
don't know for sure.

No, you can't. IE9 or 10 won't run on XP at all.

On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 11:19:12 +0100, Mentalguy2k8 wrote:

Trouble with stuff that becomes "unsupported" is that it it still works
for a while but ends up being full of bugs (as internet technology
marches on) and security holes that aren't plugged. Which means that it
gets targetted by "hackers". Especially on an unsupported OS like XP.

Especially-especially on an unsupported, insecure-by-design and extremely
widespread OS like XP...

Mentalguy2k8 wrote:

It's worth considering upgrading from XP, there's no reason why
Thunderbird wouldn't work with Vista or Windows 7.

To add: Although I've always been loathe to ever bother upgrading to a
later version of Windows unless strictly necessary, I've moved a couple
of laptops from XP to Win7 and a) not had any driver problems & b) I
reckon Win 7 is actually a bit quicker (well, less bogged down, shall we
say.) And I can't abide newer versions of Thunderbird so I'm still
running v2.something.

--
Scott

Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?

In message , Andy
Burns writes
Tim Lamb wrote:

Still running XP and explorer 8? I am starting to get messages about
*chrome frame plug in* soon to be unsupported. Please uninstall and
upgrade to a modern browser!

I am happy with XP as my E-mail software likes it. (Turnpike)

Does Firefox overcome the problem

Yes, firefox will run fine on XP (you might not get hardware
accelerated video layers, but I don't expect that's the end of the
world).

I don't want to sell my soul to Google.

If you're running Chrome Frame, haven't you done so already?

Umm.. I have Google chrome installed. It is not the default browser. I
last got the message from the gov.uk vehicle licensing site and
connected using explorer.


--
Tim Lamb

In message , Mentalguy2k8
writes
"Chrome frame plugin" is just a plugin for a browser to make it act
(faster) like Chrome but not actually *be* Chrome. If you've been using
it for any length of time you've already "sold your soul" so you might
as well just install the full version of Chrome. It's a billion times
faster than IE.

I have it! Just not joined the club:-)

It's worth considering upgrading from XP, there's no reason why
Thunderbird wouldn't work with Vista or Windows 7.

I think Turnpike is OK on Vista but not on 64 bit stuff. There are
workarounds but I am a bear of small brain:-)

--
Tim Lamb

Tim Lamb wrote:
Still running XP and explorer 8? I am starting to get messages about
*chrome frame plug in* soon to be unsupported. Please uninstall and
upgrade to a modern browser!

I am happy with XP as my E-mail software likes it. (Turnpike)

Does Firefox overcome the problem as I don't want to sell my soul to
Google.
I find XP and SeaMonkey work well together.
SeaMonkey is the modern version of netscape for thise that remember and
liked that as I did.
There is a good support community if you need it - rarely in my case and
it just works.
It also has integrated mail and news if you want to go that far.

"Scott M" wrote in message ...

Mentalguy2k8 wrote:

It's worth considering upgrading from XP, there's no reason why
Thunderbird wouldn't work with Vista or Windows 7.

To add: Although I've always been loathe to ever bother upgrading to a
later version of Windows unless strictly necessary, I've moved a couple
of laptops from XP to Win7 and a) not had any driver problems & b) I
reckon Win 7 is actually a bit quicker (well, less bogged down, shall we
say.) And I can't abide newer versions of Thunderbird so I'm still
running v2.something.
--------------

It isn't quicker in my experience, I'm now running "Treacle 7 Pro" on my
laptop. Fresh install from scratch. Progress I spose.

bm wrote:


"Scott M" wrote in message ...

Mentalguy2k8 wrote:

It's worth considering upgrading from XP, there's no reason why
Thunderbird wouldn't work with Vista or Windows 7.

To add: Although I've always been loathe to ever bother upgrading to a
later version of Windows unless strictly necessary, I've moved a couple
of laptops from XP to Win7 and a) not had any driver problems & b) I
reckon Win 7 is actually a bit quicker (well, less bogged down, shall we
say.) And I can't abide newer versions of Thunderbird so I'm still
running v2.something.
--------------

It isn't quicker in my experience, I'm now running "Treacle 7 Pro" on my
laptop. Fresh install from scratch. Progress I spose.

It does require a little fettling; first thing to do is disable the
SuperFetch service, next if you're feeling adventurous is wrest control
away from TrustedInstaller.

And turn off Aero. And all the feckin' auto-updated crap.

--
Scott

Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?

On 17/09/2013 12:52, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , Andy
Burns writes
Tim Lamb wrote:

Still running XP and explorer 8? I am starting to get messages about
*chrome frame plug in* soon to be unsupported. Please uninstall and
upgrade to a modern browser!

I am happy with XP as my E-mail software likes it. (Turnpike)

Does Firefox overcome the problem

Yes, firefox will run fine on XP (you might not get hardware
accelerated video layers, but I don't expect that's the end of the
world).

I don't want to sell my soul to Google.

If you're running Chrome Frame, haven't you done so already?

Umm.. I have Google chrome installed. It is not the default browser. I
last got the message from the gov.uk vehicle licensing site and
connected using explorer.

Chrome frame is a plugin that allows the chrome rendering engine to take
over the rendering of pages inside IE. So its like running the soul of
chrome with the personality of IE.


--
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John.

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On 17/09/2013 10:54, John Rumm wrote:
On 17/09/2013 10:24, Tim Lamb wrote:

Still running XP and explorer 8? I am starting to get messages about
*chrome frame plug in* soon to be unsupported. Please uninstall and
upgrade to a modern browser!

Which kind of suggests that you are already using the plugin version of
Chrome anyway...

(its being discontinued in Jan 2014)

I am happy with XP as my E-mail software likes it. (Turnpike)

Does Firefox overcome the problem as I don't want to sell my soul to
Google.

Bit late for that by the sounds of it.

However FF works, and renders standards compliant stuff much better than
old versions of IE.


Unfortunately not all of the major, and some of the minor websites are
not standards compliant - I suspect that they use shortcuts specific to
IE for speed. Having been involved in computing/IT since the Commodore
Pet, I know that this is not a new problem. e.g a website which I use
regularly will automatically re-size to my screen resolution in IE but
not in FF.

Malcolm

Tim Lamb :
I think Turnpike is OK on Vista but not on 64 bit stuff. There are
workarounds but I am a bear of small brain:-)

FWIW Turnpike runs just fine on Win7 Pro 32-bit.

--
Mike Barnes

Roger Mills wrote on 17/09/2013 :
On 17/09/2013 10:24, Tim Lamb wrote:
Still running XP and explorer 8? I am starting to get messages about
*chrome frame plug in* soon to be unsupported. Please uninstall and
upgrade to a modern browser!

I am happy with XP as my E-mail software likes it. (Turnpike)

Does Firefox overcome the problem as I don't want to sell my soul to
Google.

Firefox works fine with XP. I've no idea "chrome frame plugin" is - but the
fact that it's unsupported doesn't *necessarily* mean that it will stop
working - but it might!

Can you not run a later version of IE on XP? I've not tried it, so I don't
know for sure.

No you are stuck with the old IE offering and over say the past couple
of years, I have had more and more issues with web sites complaining
that the the version of IE is no longer supported.

One such example is my own website at

http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk/imw/map.htm

In IE the map is blank, in FF it shoes up as it should. Out of
curiosity, I have just tried Chrome's plugin for IE, but it made no
difference, it still shows the map as a blank.

--
Regards,
Harry (M1BYT) (L)
http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk

In article , Tim Lamb
scribeth thus
In message , Mentalguy2k8
writes
"Chrome frame plugin" is just a plugin for a browser to make it act
(faster) like Chrome but not actually *be* Chrome. If you've been using
it for any length of time you've already "sold your soul" so you might
as well just install the full version of Chrome. It's a billion times
faster than IE.

I have it! Just not joined the club:-)

It's worth considering upgrading from XP, there's no reason why
Thunderbird wouldn't work with Vista or Windows 7.

I think Turnpike is OK on Vista but not on 64 bit stuff. There are
workarounds but I am a bear of small brain:-)


Generally OK on Win 7 never bothered with 8 but only 32 bit 'tho I
believe you can run a VM on 64 bit as a 32 and that with run TP as
well...


--
Tony Sayer

Harry Bloomfield :
over say the past couple of years, I have had more and more issues with
web sites complaining that the the version of IE is no longer
supported.

One such example is my own website at

http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk/imw/map.htm

In IE the map is blank, in FF it shoes up as it should. Out of
curiosity, I have just tried Chrome's plugin for IE, but it made no
difference, it still shows the map as a blank.

I can see the map fine in IE10. I tried all the alternative browser
modes (10 compatibility, 9, 8, and 7) and they worked fine as well.

--
Mike Barnes

On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 10:54:10 +0100, Dave Baker wrote:

"Tim Lamb" wrote in message
...
Still running XP and explorer 8? I am starting to get messages about
*chrome frame plug in* soon to be unsupported. Please uninstall and
upgrade to a modern browser!

I am happy with XP as my E-mail software likes it. (Turnpike)

Does Firefox overcome the problem as I don't want to sell my soul to
Google.
--
Tim Lamb

Firefox is superb. Also with it I no longer seem to get afflicted by malware
from dodgy web sites as it has built in protection to stop you accessing
them. It used to be a fairly regular thing, like every few months, tracking
down the latest nasty and on occasion even having to reload the operating
system from scratch. Haven't had a virus or trojan for 18 months now. Yes I
could also run anti-virus software but they always slowed down this old pc
too much.

I use Pale Moon version of FF - it has had all the crap removed and doesn't
take the default route of silent updates (if FF has got to that stage yet -
I know that it was mentioned some time ago).
http://www.palemoon.org/
--
Peter.
The gods will stay away
whilst religions hold sway

On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 14:12:03 +0100, Malcolm wrote:

However FF works, and renders standards compliant stuff much better
than old versions of IE.

Unfortunately not all of the major, and some of the minor websites are
not standards compliant - I suspect that they use shortcuts specific to
IE for speed. Having been involved in computing/IT since the Commodore
Pet, I know that this is not a new problem. e.g a website which I use
regularly will automatically re-size to my screen resolution in IE but
not in FF.

Whilst that may indeed still apply, and has long been a good rule of
thumb, the fact that XP hits full-fat EoL very soon, together with it
being a loooong time since it was officially superceded has meant that
few corporates are the XP/IE6 closed shops they once could almost be
guaranteed to be. As a result, I don't think it's going to be long before
all bar the oldest and most amateurish websites start to ignore older IE
in real bulk.

In message , Mike Barnes
writes
Tim Lamb :
I think Turnpike is OK on Vista but not on 64 bit stuff. There are
workarounds but I am a bear of small brain:-)

FWIW Turnpike runs just fine on Win7 Pro 32-bit.

That's worth knowing. Eventually this PC will die and an upgrade be
forced.

The Turnpike suggested workaround is to go back to TP5.0 or thereabouts.


--
Tim Lamb

In message , tony sayer
writes
In article , Tim Lamb
scribeth thus
In message , Mentalguy2k8
writes
"Chrome frame plugin" is just a plugin for a browser to make it act
(faster) like Chrome but not actually *be* Chrome. If you've been using
it for any length of time you've already "sold your soul" so you might
as well just install the full version of Chrome. It's a billion times
faster than IE.

I have it! Just not joined the club:-)

It's worth considering upgrading from XP, there's no reason why
Thunderbird wouldn't work with Vista or Windows 7.

I think Turnpike is OK on Vista but not on 64 bit stuff. There are
workarounds but I am a bear of small brain:-)


Generally OK on Win 7 never bothered with 8 but only 32 bit 'tho I
believe you can run a VM on 64 bit as a 32 and that with run TP as
well...

Yes. I mentioned the small brain issue...


--
Tim Lamb

On 17/09/2013 13:43, Scott M wrote:
bm wrote:


"Scott M" wrote in message ...

Mentalguy2k8 wrote:

It's worth considering upgrading from XP, there's no reason why
Thunderbird wouldn't work with Vista or Windows 7.

To add: Although I've always been loathe to ever bother upgrading to a
later version of Windows unless strictly necessary, I've moved a couple
of laptops from XP to Win7 and a) not had any driver problems & b) I
reckon Win 7 is actually a bit quicker (well, less bogged down, shall we
say.) And I can't abide newer versions of Thunderbird so I'm still
running v2.something.
--------------

It isn't quicker in my experience, I'm now running "Treacle 7 Pro" on
my laptop. Fresh install from scratch. Progress I spose.

It does require a little fettling; first thing to do is disable the
SuperFetch service, next if you're feeling adventurous is wrest control
away from TrustedInstaller.

And turn off Aero. And all the feckin' auto-updated crap.

Especially if anyone ever needs to remotely access your machine.

--
Rod

On 17/09/2013 15:31, Mike Barnes wrote:
Harry Bloomfield :
over say the past couple of years, I have had more and more issues with
web sites complaining that the the version of IE is no longer
supported.

One such example is my own website at

http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk/imw/map.htm

In IE the map is blank, in FF it shoes up as it should. Out of
curiosity, I have just tried Chrome's plugin for IE, but it made no
difference, it still shows the map as a blank.

I can see the map fine in IE10. I tried all the alternative browser
modes (10 compatibility, 9, 8, and 7) and they worked fine as well.

Agreed. The only immediately obvious difference is that "IMW 2014" is
very obviously bold in FF, and only barely darker than standard text in IE.

--
Rod

On 17/09/2013 15:53, Adrian wrote:
On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 14:12:03 +0100, Malcolm wrote:

However FF works, and renders standards compliant stuff much better
than old versions of IE.

Unfortunately not all of the major, and some of the minor websites are
not standards compliant - I suspect that they use shortcuts specific to
IE for speed. Having been involved in computing/IT since the Commodore
Pet, I know that this is not a new problem. e.g a website which I use
regularly will automatically re-size to my screen resolution in IE but
not in FF.

Stuff being IE specific used to be a big problem when they had 95%
market share. Now they are down in 2nd or third place, and with the
onslaught of new platforms and browsers, its not enough of a problem
these days to be an issue unless there is some specific site you must
use that won't work properly in other browsers. The only thing I ever
have to use IE for these days is for some of the MS TechNet / Partner pages!

Whilst that may indeed still apply, and has long been a good rule of
thumb, the fact that XP hits full-fat EoL very soon, together with it
being a loooong time since it was officially superceded has meant that
few corporates are the XP/IE6 closed shops they once could almost be
guaranteed to be. As a result, I don't think it's going to be long before
all bar the oldest and most amateurish websites start to ignore older IE
in real bulk.

Anything older than IE8 is no longer developed for IME. There are some
corporate sites that are still stuck with IE6 due to legacy applications
built using it.


--
Cheers,

John.

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On 17/09/2013 15:19, tony sayer wrote:
In article , Tim Lamb
scribeth thus
In message , Mentalguy2k8
writes
"Chrome frame plugin" is just a plugin for a browser to make it act
(faster) like Chrome but not actually *be* Chrome. If you've been using
it for any length of time you've already "sold your soul" so you might
as well just install the full version of Chrome. It's a billion times
faster than IE.

I have it! Just not joined the club:-)

It's worth considering upgrading from XP, there's no reason why
Thunderbird wouldn't work with Vista or Windows 7.

I think Turnpike is OK on Vista but not on 64 bit stuff. There are
workarounds but I am a bear of small brain:-)


Generally OK on Win 7 never bothered with 8 but only 32 bit 'tho I
believe you can run a VM on 64 bit as a 32 and that with run TP as
well...

If you get Win 7 pro then it includes "XP Mode" (basically MS Virtual PC
with a licence for XP wrapped up in a way to hide some of the detail
such that you can just launch your application like normal and still
have it come up inside a virtual machine)

(Note Win 8 Pro does not include this as they have ditched virtual PC
for their more industrial strength Hyper-V VM technology)

--
Cheers,

John.

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On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 19:44:06 +0100, John Rumm
wrote:

If you get Win 7 pro then it includes "XP Mode" (basically MS Virtual PC
with a licence for XP wrapped up in a way to hide some of the detail
such that you can just launch your application like normal and still
have it come up inside a virtual machine)

(Note Win 8 Pro does not include this as they have ditched virtual PC
for their more industrial strength Hyper-V VM technology)

Support for XP Mode in Windows 7 expires next April, at the same time
as it does for XP itself.

On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 03:37:15 +0100, mcp wrote:

On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 19:44:06 +0100, John Rumm
wrote:

If you get Win 7 pro then it includes "XP Mode" (basically MS Virtual PC
with a licence for XP wrapped up in a way to hide some of the detail
such that you can just launch your application like normal and still
have it come up inside a virtual machine)

(Note Win 8 Pro does not include this as they have ditched virtual PC
for their more industrial strength Hyper-V VM technology)

Support for XP Mode in Windows 7 expires next April, at the same time
as it does for XP itself.

eh?

You got a source for that?


--

In message , Tim Lamb
writes
In message , Mike Barnes
writes

FWIW Turnpike runs just fine on Win7 Pro 32-bit.

That's worth knowing. Eventually this PC will die and an upgrade be
forced.

The Turnpike suggested workaround is to go back to TP5.0 or thereabouts.


I'm running Turnpike on Windows 7 32-bit, and it works, but some buttons
are no longer there and occasionally it gives an error message and all
Windows Explorer windows close. There was a thread about this on a TP
ng, but I think it just fizzled out.

Even with this problem it's much better than Thunderbird.

Also FWIW, my preferred browser is Opera, but the 1212 edition, not the
latest, which I believe is based on Google code. The latest version is
dreadful, which is really sad.

--
Bill

Bill :
In message , Tim Lamb
writes
In message , Mike
Barnes
writes

FWIW Turnpike runs just fine on Win7 Pro 32-bit.

That's worth knowing. Eventually this PC will die and an upgrade be
forced.

The Turnpike suggested workaround is to go back to TP5.0 or thereabouts.


I'm running Turnpike on Windows 7 32-bit, and it works, but some
buttons are no longer there and occasionally it gives an error message
and all Windows Explorer windows close. There was a thread about this
on a TP ng, but I think it just fizzled out.

You don't say which version of Turnpike but I have 6.07 and it never
crashes. The toolbar in the Explorer window is permanently AWOL but
right-clicking is an equally convenient (if not more convenient) way of
doing what I used to do with the toolbar.

Even with this problem it's much better than Thunderbird.

I've not used Thunderbird but what you say sounds eminently plausible.

--
Mike Barnes

On 18/09/2013 03:37, mcp wrote:
On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 19:44:06 +0100, John Rumm
wrote:

If you get Win 7 pro then it includes "XP Mode" (basically MS Virtual PC
with a licence for XP wrapped up in a way to hide some of the detail
such that you can just launch your application like normal and still
have it come up inside a virtual machine)

(Note Win 8 Pro does not include this as they have ditched virtual PC
for their more industrial strength Hyper-V VM technology)

Support for XP Mode in Windows 7 expires next April, at the same time
as it does for XP itself.

As you would expect - it is after all a fully fledged copy of XP. It
will still work obviously, but you would be unwise to use it for
applications that connect to the internet.


--
Cheers,

John.

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In message , Huge
writes
On 2013-09-18, John Rumm wrote:
On 18/09/2013 03:37, mcp wrote:
On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 19:44:06 +0100, John Rumm
wrote:

If you get Win 7 pro then it includes "XP Mode" (basically MS Virtual PC
with a licence for XP wrapped up in a way to hide some of the detail
such that you can just launch your application like normal and still
have it come up inside a virtual machine)

(Note Win 8 Pro does not include this as they have ditched virtual PC
for their more industrial strength Hyper-V VM technology)

Support for XP Mode in Windows 7 expires next April, at the same time
as it does for XP itself.

As you would expect - it is after all a fully fledged copy of XP. It
will still work obviously, but you would be unwise to use it for
applications that connect to the internet.

Some of us have *never* allowed XP to connect to the Internet.

Mine does twice daily to trusted sites but only hand held by Norton.

Thanks all for the comments. It looks as though Firefox is the way to go
in the short term.

--
Tim Lamb

On Tuesday, 17 September 2013 10:24:55 UTC+1, Tim Lamb wrote:

I am happy with XP as my E-mail software likes it. (Turnpike)

Does Firefox overcome the problem as I don't want to sell my soul to
Google.

What you want and what Google wants are about to collide.
You can continue to ignore the messages indefinitely but they are not going to go away.

Not unless they can do something even more drastic, it isn't.

On Tuesday, 17 September 2013 10:54:10 UTC+1, Dave Baker wrote:

Firefox is superb. Also with it I no longer seem to get afflicted by malware
from dodgy web sites as it has built in protection to stop you accessing
them. It used to be a fairly regular thing, like every few months, tracking
down the latest nasty and on occasion even having to reload the operating
system from scratch. Haven't had a virus or trojan for 18 months now. Yes I
could also run anti-virus software but they always slowed down this old pc
too much.

If you ever feel like graduating to a Linux distro, remember that you won't be watching any flashy videos until you learn how to turn them on. OTOH you won't need to worry about running security software to clean the PC every day or two.

And don't bother with NoScript nor nothing too, neither.

On Tuesday, 17 September 2013 15:45:53 UTC+1, PeterC wrote:

I use Pale Moon version of FF - it has had all the crap removed and doesn't
take the default route of silent updates (if FF has got to that stage yet -
I know that it was mentioned some time ago).

http://www.palemoon.org/

Sounds like K-Meleon:

This browser, even though close to Firefox in the way it works, offers a different set of features. A few have been disabled to maximize efficiency. If you need accessibility features or parental controls, then please visit the Firefox homepage and get the official, non-optimized version of the browser.

Contrary to what Mozilla has done with their redesign of the user interface, Pale Moon will continue to provide a familiar set of controls and visual feedback similar to previous versions, including grouped navigation buttons of a decent size, a bookmarks toolbar that is enabled by default, tabs next to page content by default (easily switchable) and a functional status bar.

On 19/09/13 04:57, Weatherlawyer wrote:
On Tuesday, 17 September 2013 10:54:10 UTC+1, Dave Baker wrote:
Firefox is superb. Also with it I no longer seem to get afflicted by malware
from dodgy web sites as it has built in protection to stop you accessing
them. It used to be a fairly regular thing, like every few months, tracking
down the latest nasty and on occasion even having to reload the operating
system from scratch. Haven't had a virus or trojan for 18 months now. Yes I
could also run anti-virus software but they always slowed down this old pc
too much.
If you ever feel like graduating to a Linux distro, remember that you won't be watching any flashy videos until you learn how to turn them on. OTOH you won't need to worry about running security software to clean the PC every day or two.

That rather depnds on the way the particualar linux is set up.

Linux mint, for example, will load you a working flash setup right away.

And don't bother with NoScript nor nothing too, neither.


Well exactly.

Imagine plain simple old Windows XP with all the bugs taken, out that
doesn't crash, and everything that you had to pay for supplied free,
and all the bits you wished XP had had built in, and all teh bits you
wished XP hadnt had, removed.

Linux mint mate.



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John Rumm put finger to keyboard:

On 18/09/2013 03:37, mcp wrote:
On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 19:44:06 +0100, John Rumm
wrote:

If you get Win 7 pro then it includes "XP Mode" (basically MS Virtual
PC with a licence for XP wrapped up in a way to hide some of the
detail such that you can just launch your application like normal and
still have it come up inside a virtual machine)

(Note Win 8 Pro does not include this as they have ditched virtual PC
for their more industrial strength Hyper-V VM technology)

Support for XP Mode in Windows 7 expires next April, at the same time
as it does for XP itself.

As you would expect - it is after all a fully fledged copy of XP. It
will still work obviously, but you would be unwise to use it for
applications that connect to the internet.

Can it be snapshotted in the same way that Hyper-V VMs can? That's one
guard against malware.