Hi all,

Can anyone tell me what this tool is called from this description I'm giving he

It's kind of like a heavy duty heel bar; a long, hard steel lever for prizing up very heavy items, but where the heel would be on lighter duty examples, on these HD ones there are a pair of skate wheels. Aparantley they're good for raising up to 1.5 tonnes by a few inches single handedly.
Bonus points will be awarded to anyone who can tell me where I can buy one, too.

cheers.

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wrote:
Hi all,

Can anyone tell me what this tool is called from this description I'm
giving he

It's kind of like a heavy duty heel bar; a long, hard steel lever for
prizing up very heavy items, but where the heel would be on lighter duty
examples, on these HD ones there are a pair of skate wheels. Aparantley
they're good for raising up to 1.5 tonnes by a few inches single
handedly.


Lever dolly?

Darren

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Andrew Mawson wrote:
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Hi all,

Can anyone tell me what this tool is called from this description I'm
giving he

It's kind of like a heavy duty heel bar; a long, hard steel lever for
prizing up very heavy items, but where the heel would be on lighter duty
examples, on these HD ones there are a pair of skate wheels. Aparantley
they're good for raising up to 1.5 tonnes by a few inches single handedly.
Bonus points will be awarded to anyone who can tell me where I can buy one,
too.

cheers.

Roller Crowbar.

Ah, that hit a lot more sites than my suggestion. I always knew of it called
a level dolly but that would appear to be american?

Odd. Still, I think you win :-)

Darren

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Hi all,

Can anyone tell me what this tool is called from this description I'm
giving he

It's kind of like a heavy duty heel bar; a long, hard steel lever for
prizing up very heavy items, but where the heel would be on lighter duty
examples, on these HD ones there are a pair of skate wheels. Aparantley
they're good for raising up to 1.5 tonnes by a few inches single handedly.
Bonus points will be awarded to anyone who can tell me where I can buy one,
too.

cheers.

Roller Crowbar.

Used for shifting heavy machinery - slip the toe under, lever up, slip a
roller under or some cribbing timber and off you go.

http://www.ajproducts.co.uk/lifting-...79746-33546.wf

AWEM

On Saturday, 27 July 2013 22:24:43 UTC+2, D.M.Chapman wrote:
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Andrew Mawson wrote:

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Hi all,



Can anyone tell me what this tool is called from this description I'm

giving he



It's kind of like a heavy duty heel bar; a long, hard steel lever for

prizing up very heavy items, but where the heel would be on lighter duty

examples, on these HD ones there are a pair of skate wheels. Aparantley

they're good for raising up to 1.5 tonnes by a few inches single handedly.

Bonus points will be awarded to anyone who can tell me where I can buy one,

too.



cheers.



Roller Crowbar.



Ah, that hit a lot more sites than my suggestion. I always knew of it called

a level dolly but that would appear to be american?



Odd. Still, I think you win :-)


THanks, guys. THe picuture Andrew pointed to is definitely what I was thinking of, but there is still some ambiguity over the name. HSS Hire calls it something else entirely; I could find it the other day in their print catalogue, but their online version is a nightmare to navigate around so I've been unable to find it again.
BTW, this is to lower this 3 phase 3/4 ton lathe to the ground. I was able to get it off it's double layer palette with an engine crane and a trolly jack (with great difficulty) but it's still supported on wooden sleepers because both the jack and the crane foul the underside of the lathe before it can reach the deck. Hence the need for this tool.

On 27/07/2013 21:15, wrote:
Hi all,

Can anyone tell me what this tool is called from this description I'm
giving he

It's kind of like a heavy duty heel bar; a long, hard steel lever for
prizing up very heavy items, but where the heel would be on lighter
duty examples, on these HD ones there are a pair of skate wheels.
Aparantley they're good for raising up to 1.5 tonnes by a few inches
single handedly. Bonus points will be awarded to anyone who can tell
me where I can buy one, too.

cheers.


Lidl had one in a moving set a few weeks ago, along with some rollers.
I don't recall its load capability but it was probably only a couple of
hundred kg.

You can probably make do with a big pry bar and some scaffold tube.

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Hi all,

Can anyone tell me what this tool is called from this description I'm giving
he

It's kind of like a heavy duty heel bar; a long, hard steel lever for
prizing up very heavy items, but where the heel would be on lighter duty
examples, on these HD ones there are a pair of skate wheels. Aparantley
they're good for raising up to 1.5 tonnes by a few inches single handedly.
Bonus points will be awarded to anyone who can tell me where I can buy one,
too.



I want the bonus points too
eBay 251310226731

China?

Brian

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Hi all,

Can anyone tell me what this tool is called from this description I'm giving
he

It's kind of like a heavy duty heel bar; a long, hard steel lever for
prizing up very heavy items, but where the heel would be on lighter duty
examples, on these HD ones there are a pair of skate wheels. Aparantley
they're good for raising up to 1.5 tonnes by a few inches single handedly.
Bonus points will be awarded to anyone who can tell me where I can buy one,
too.

cheers.

On 27/07/2013 21:41, wrote:

THanks, guys. THe picuture Andrew pointed to is definitely what I was thinking of, but there is still some ambiguity over the name. HSS Hire calls it something else entirely; I could find it the other day in their print catalogue, but their online version is a nightmare to navigate around so I've been unable to find it again.
BTW, this is to lower this 3 phase 3/4 ton lathe to the ground. I was able to get it off it's double layer palette with an engine crane and a trolly jack (with great difficulty) but it's still supported on wooden sleepers because both the jack and the crane foul the underside of the lathe before it can reach the deck. Hence the need for this tool.


Fred Dibnah would just set fire to the sleepers.

On Sunday, 28 July 2013 23:01:00 UTC+2, GB wrote:
On 27/07/2013 21:41, wrote:



THanks, guys. THe picuture Andrew pointed to is definitely what I was thinking of, but there is still some ambiguity over the name. HSS Hire calls it something else entirely; I could find it the other day in their print catalogue, but their online version is a nightmare to navigate around so I've been unable to find it again.

BTW, this is to lower this 3 phase 3/4 ton lathe to the ground. I was able to get it off it's double layer palette with an engine crane and a trolly jack (with great difficulty) but it's still supported on wooden sleepers because both the jack and the crane foul the underside of the lathe before it can reach the deck. Hence the need for this tool.





Fred Dibnah would just set fire to the sleepers.

That did actually occur to me when the thing was still stacked on pallets. Seriously.

On Sunday, 28 July 2013 09:41:50 UTC+2, Nthkentman wrote:
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Hi all,



Can anyone tell me what this tool is called from this description I'm giving

he



It's kind of like a heavy duty heel bar; a long, hard steel lever for

prizing up very heavy items, but where the heel would be on lighter duty

examples, on these HD ones there are a pair of skate wheels. Aparantley

they're good for raising up to 1.5 tonnes by a few inches single handedly.

Bonus points will be awarded to anyone who can tell me where I can buy one,

too.







I want the bonus points too

eBay 251310226731

Pinch Bar! That's the other name for it. Well done! I'm awarding you double bonus points for this sterling effort.

On 28/07/2013 22:08, wrote:
On Sunday, 28 July 2013 23:01:00 UTC+2, GB wrote:

Fred Dibnah would just set fire to the sleepers.

That did actually occur to me when the thing was still stacked on pallets. Seriously.


Could you transfer it onto some ice?

Andy

Vir Campestris wrote:
On 28/07/2013 22:08, wrote:
On Sunday, 28 July 2013 23:01:00 UTC+2, GB wrote:

Fred Dibnah would just set fire to the sleepers.

That did actually occur to me when the thing was still stacked on pallets. Seriously.


Could you transfer it onto some ice?

How are you going to set fire to that? ;-)

Tim

On 30/07/2013 12:33, Tim+ wrote:
Vir Campestris wrote:
On 28/07/2013 22:08, wrote:
On Sunday, 28 July 2013 23:01:00 UTC+2, GB wrote:

Fred Dibnah would just set fire to the sleepers.

That did actually occur to me when the thing was still stacked on pallets. Seriously.


Could you transfer it onto some ice?

How are you going to set fire to that? ;-)

You are right, that's a problem. But use frozen petrol, and it's
probably a doddle.

On 27/07/2013 21:41, wrote:
....
THanks, guys. THe picuture Andrew pointed to is definitely what I was thinking of, but there is still some ambiguity over the name. HSS Hire calls it something else entirely; I could find it the other day in their print catalogue, but their online version is a nightmare to navigate around so I've been unable to find it again.
BTW, this is to lower this 3 phase 3/4 ton lathe to the ground. I was able to get it off it's double layer palette with an engine crane and a trolly jack (with great difficulty) but it's still supported on wooden sleepers because both the jack and the crane foul the underside of the lathe before it can reach the deck. Hence the need for this tool.

You need a few big blokes; the favourite tool of the machinery removal
company I used to use for something as light as that.

If you can't manage them, have you thought of hiring toe jacks? I rather
doubt the roller crowbar would be much use for getting the lathe off a
sleeper - they have a fairly limited lift height.

Colin Bignell

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On 27/07/2013 21:41, wrote:
...
THanks, guys. THe picuture Andrew pointed to is definitely what I was
thinking of, but there is still some ambiguity over the name. HSS Hire
calls it something else entirely; I could find it the other day in their
print catalogue, but their online version is a nightmare to navigate
around so I've been unable to find it again.
BTW, this is to lower this 3 phase 3/4 ton lathe to the ground. I was
able to get it off it's double layer palette with an engine crane and a
trolly jack (with great difficulty) but it's still supported on wooden
sleepers because both the jack and the crane foul the underside of the
lathe before it can reach the deck. Hence the need for this tool.

You need a few big blokes; the favourite tool of the machinery removal
company I used to use for something as light as that.

If you can't manage them, have you thought of hiring toe jacks? I rather
doubt the roller crowbar would be much use for getting the lathe off a
sleeper - they have a fairly limited lift height.

Colin Bignell



Years ago, on Blue Peter, they had a bit on putting the Guy the Gorilla
Statue in place.

There they placed the statue Bags of Sugar, when it was in the correct
position, they pulled the straps out, and split the bags and washed the
sugar away with water.

Baz

On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 16:13:38 +0100, Baz wrote:

If you can't manage them, have you thought of hiring toe jacks? I
rather doubt the roller crowbar would be much use for getting the
lathe
off a sleeper - they have a fairly limited lift height.

I was wondering about that as well. Guess you might be able to have
the roller bar on one block, heft up the lath, remove the sleeper,
replace with slightly less high block, lower lathe, remove roller
bar, replace it's block, lift, rinse and repeat...

There they placed the statue Bags of Sugar, when it was in the correct
position, they pulled the straps out, and split the bags and washed the
sugar away with water.

Now there is an idea sugar an water would be messy but you could use
sand in bags. Roller bar to get the bags under with enough extra
height to get the sleepers out. The *carefully* make hole in sand bag
and use a tool (not your hand) to slowly and evenly remove sand from
the bags.

ISTR some telly programme about them erecting huge stone monoliths by
having the end supported over a timber box filled with dry sand.
There was a plug at the bottom to allow the sand out ina controlled
manner.

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Cheers
Dave.

On 30/07/2013 20:51, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 16:13:38 +0100, Baz wrote:

If you can't manage them, have you thought of hiring toe jacks? I
rather doubt the roller crowbar would be much use for getting the
lathe
off a sleeper - they have a fairly limited lift height.

I was wondering about that as well. Guess you might be able to have
the roller bar on one block, heft up the lath, remove the sleeper,
replace with slightly less high block, lower lathe, remove roller
bar, replace it's block, lift, rinse and repeat...

Hard work when compared to using toe jacks. The roller crowbar I have
can lift about 7cm with the handle flat on the floor.

Colin Bignell

On Sat, 27 Jul 2013 13:41:10 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

THanks, guys. THe picuture Andrew pointed to is definitely what I was thinking of, but there is still some ambiguity over the name. HSS Hire calls it something else entirely; I could find it the other day in their print catalogue, but their online version is a nightmare to navigate around so I've been unable to find it again.
BTW, this is to lower this 3 phase 3/4 ton lathe to the ground. I was able to get it off it's double layer palette with an engine crane and a trolly jack (with great difficulty) but it's still supported on wooden sleepers because both the jack and the crane foul the underside of the lathe before it can reach the deck. Hence the need for this tool.

Presumably the outriggers with castors are under the load and the lathe is not
as deep as it is long.

If so can't you turn the engine crane through 90 degrees, the legs being at the
front and rear of the bed and then just lift one end, place on multiple layers
of blocks Move to other end, turn crane through 180 degrees and lift the other
end and place again on multiple layers of blocks. Then lift each end in turn,
removing a layer of blocks at a time.

Even if you can't do it fully in situ you could do it elsewhere and make a final
drop onto a round bar roller of say an inch diameter, then a simple crowbar can
be used to remove the rollers.


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On Wednesday, 31 July 2013 13:22:23 UTC+2, The Other Mike wrote:
On Sat, 27 Jul 2013 13:41:10 -0700 (PDT), wrote:



THanks, guys. THe picuture Andrew pointed to is definitely what I was thinking of, but there is still some ambiguity over the name. HSS Hire calls it something else entirely; I could find it the other day in their print catalogue, but their online version is a nightmare to navigate around so I've been unable to find it again.

BTW, this is to lower this 3 phase 3/4 ton lathe to the ground. I was able to get it off it's double layer palette with an engine crane and a trolly jack (with great difficulty) but it's still supported on wooden sleepers because both the jack and the crane foul the underside of the lathe before it can reach the deck. Hence the need for this tool.



Presumably the outriggers with castors are under the load and the lathe is not

as deep as it is long.



If so can't you turn the engine crane through 90 degrees, the legs being at the

front and rear of the bed and then just lift one end, place on multiple layers

of blocks Move to other end, turn crane through 180 degrees and lift the other

end and place again on multiple layers of blocks. Then lift each end in turn,

removing a layer of blocks at a time.



Even if you can't do it fully in situ you could do it elsewhere and make a final

drop onto a round bar roller of say an inch diameter, then a simple crowbar can

be used to remove the rollers.





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Some ingenious and imaginative ideas here for which many thanks, guys.
I did try turning the crane through 90 degrees and attacking it from that angle, but the spread between the outriggers was insufficient to get in close enough, given that at 3/4 of a ton to lift, the jib has to be set to almost its shortest reach (its *maximum* capacity is 1 ton)

I like the idea of the toe jacks, though. I've never seen or heard of them before, but I can guess, I reckon, the idea behind such a device and if it's what I think it is then it'd be ideal. I'll get on to my local hire companies and ask if they keep such things.

On Monday, 5 August 2013 13:19:18 UTC+2, wrote:

I like the idea of the toe jacks, though. I've never seen or heard of them before, but I can guess, I reckon, the idea behind such a device and if it's what I think it is then it'd be ideal. I'll get on to my local hire companies and ask if they keep such things.

Seems they do; take a load down to 3/4" above deck, so I'm told. I guess that's as good as it gets. There's also something called a 'farm jack' which is a similar sort of thing, but provides much higher working heights like up to 48".

On Monday, August 5, 2013 11:19:18 PM UTC+12, wrote:
On Wednesday, 31 July 2013 13:22:23 UTC+2, The Other Mike wrote:

On Sat, 27 Jul 2013 13:41:10 -0700 (PDT), wrote:







THanks, guys. THe picuture Andrew pointed to is definitely what I was thinking of, but there is still some ambiguity over the name. HSS Hire calls it something else entirely; I could find it the other day in their print catalogue, but their online version is a nightmare to navigate around so I've been unable to find it again.



BTW, this is to lower this 3 phase 3/4 ton lathe to the ground. I was able to get it off it's double layer palette with an engine crane and a trolly jack (with great difficulty) but it's still supported on wooden sleepers because both the jack and the crane foul the underside of the lathe before it can reach the deck. Hence the need for this tool.







Presumably the outriggers with castors are under the load and the lathe is not



as deep as it is long.







If so can't you turn the engine crane through 90 degrees, the legs being at the



front and rear of the bed and then just lift one end, place on multiple layers



of blocks Move to other end, turn crane through 180 degrees and lift the other



end and place again on multiple layers of blocks. Then lift each end in turn,



removing a layer of blocks at a time.







Even if you can't do it fully in situ you could do it elsewhere and make a final



drop onto a round bar roller of say an inch diameter, then a simple crowbar can



be used to remove the rollers.











--



Some ingenious and imaginative ideas here for which many thanks, guys.

I did try turning the crane through 90 degrees and attacking it from that angle, but the spread between the outriggers was insufficient to get in close enough, given that at 3/4 of a ton to lift, the jib has to be set to almost its shortest reach (its *maximum* capacity is 1 ton)



I like the idea of the toe jacks, though. I've never seen or heard of them before, but I can guess, I reckon, the idea behind such a device and if it's what I think it is then it'd be ideal. I'll get on to my local hire companies and ask if they keep such things.

Here's a high lift jack for about 7 tons:
http://i46.tinypic.com/29bfxow.jpg

and a smaller one also 7 tons that needs to be put together!
http://i56.tinypic.com/2dkk3gz.jpg
and in use:
http://i38.tinypic.com/28i6j4m.jpg

On Tuesday, 6 August 2013 22:42:52 UTC+2, Matty F wrote:
On Monday, August 5, 2013 11:19:18 PM UTC+12, wrote:

On Wednesday, 31 July 2013 13:22:23 UTC+2, The Other Mike wrote:



On Sat, 27 Jul 2013 13:41:10 -0700 (PDT), wrote:















THanks, guys. THe picuture Andrew pointed to is definitely what I was thinking of, but there is still some ambiguity over the name. HSS Hire calls it something else entirely; I could find it the other day in their print catalogue, but their online version is a nightmare to navigate around so I've been unable to find it again.







BTW, this is to lower this 3 phase 3/4 ton lathe to the ground. I was able to get it off it's double layer palette with an engine crane and a trolly jack (with great difficulty) but it's still supported on wooden sleepers because both the jack and the crane foul the underside of the lathe before it can reach the deck. Hence the need for this tool.















Presumably the outriggers with castors are under the load and the lathe is not







as deep as it is long.















If so can't you turn the engine crane through 90 degrees, the legs being at the







front and rear of the bed and then just lift one end, place on multiple layers







of blocks Move to other end, turn crane through 180 degrees and lift the other







end and place again on multiple layers of blocks. Then lift each end in turn,







removing a layer of blocks at a time.















Even if you can't do it fully in situ you could do it elsewhere and make a final







drop onto a round bar roller of say an inch diameter, then a simple crowbar can







be used to remove the rollers.























--







Some ingenious and imaginative ideas here for which many thanks, guys.



I did try turning the crane through 90 degrees and attacking it from that angle, but the spread between the outriggers was insufficient to get in close enough, given that at 3/4 of a ton to lift, the jib has to be set to almost its shortest reach (its *maximum* capacity is 1 ton)







I like the idea of the toe jacks, though. I've never seen or heard of them before, but I can guess, I reckon, the idea behind such a device and if it's what I think it is then it'd be ideal. I'll get on to my local hire companies and ask if they keep such things.



Here's a high lift jack for about 7 tons:

http://i46.tinypic.com/29bfxow.jpg



and a smaller one also 7 tons that needs to be put together!

http://i56.tinypic.com/2dkk3gz.jpg

and in use:

http://i38.tinypic.com/28i6j4m.jpg

Wow!

Actually I got the lathe down another 4" today (from 8" with now just 4" remaining) and without having to buy or hire anything. Suddenly occurred to me the jack in my Landrover would be ideal for the job. It's not a common design and hard to describe, but it did prove very handy indeed in this application; almost made for it, you could say. So the machine is low enough now not to worry about taking all the way down. If I can get it level as it is that will do fine.