My son has bought new primed cast iron drain pipes to replace the 120yo
ones that have rusted away. He wanted to match the original paint, which
was a sort of matt white. I went to a local supplier who provided 5L
"Johnstone's flat oil-based brilliant white".

Son painted 2 coats in his garage and said the paint seemed excellent,
and I admired the results when I visited.

Then on Monday he finally read what it said on the tin and sent me an
email expressing, shall we say, dismay. The tin and the datasheet
say

"A solvent-borne, traditional matt finish formulated for interior
use. Based on an alkyd resin it provides excellent obliteration
and flow characteristics and produces a smooth even finish
with excellent durability".

I rang and spoke to the Johntone's technical support desk, who said the
formulation was exactly what they would use for an exterior paint, and
the reason it said "Interior" was that getting it independently
certified for "Exterior" was a long and expensive process, so hadn't be
done for this paint.
I then asked about yellowing and they said that yellowing would only
take place in low light conditions indoors eg on skirting boards and
that the paint would be fine used externally in natural UV light.

So we have a paint sold as interior that is better as an exterior paint.

I blame the EU.
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On Tue, 25 Jun 2013 15:52:40 +0100, Bill wrote:


So we have a paint sold as interior that is better as an exterior paint.

Yacht Varnish is similarly often labeled "for interior use" so ideal
if you keep your yacht on the sofa.

On 25/06/2013 22:13, Peter Parry wrote:
On Tue, 25 Jun 2013 15:52:40 +0100, Bill wrote:


So we have a paint sold as interior that is better as an exterior paint.

Yacht Varnish is similarly often labeled "for interior use" so ideal
if you keep your yacht on the sofa.

Not quite.

Interior Varnish is similarly often labeled "Yacht Varnish"...

The real stuff is still reassuringly smelly and weatherproof.

Andy

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On 25/06/2013 22:13, Peter Parry wrote:
Yacht Varnish is similarly often labeled "for interior use" so ideal
if you keep your yacht on the sofa.

Not quite.

Interior Varnish is similarly often labeled "Yacht Varnish"...

The real stuff is still reassuringly smelly and weatherproof.

Andy

And takes longer to dry than the mean period between torrential
downpours.
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Bill

Yes, I blame those who cannot actually describe their paint. If they are
truly sure they should still be able to say that its good for, xxx and that
its not been certified but the company standsy by its products.
Brian

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"Bill" wrote in message
...
My son has bought new primed cast iron drain pipes to replace the 120yo
ones that have rusted away. He wanted to match the original paint, which
was a sort of matt white. I went to a local supplier who provided 5L
"Johnstone's flat oil-based brilliant white".

Son painted 2 coats in his garage and said the paint seemed excellent,
and I admired the results when I visited.

Then on Monday he finally read what it said on the tin and sent me an
email expressing, shall we say, dismay. The tin and the datasheet
say

"A solvent-borne, traditional matt finish formulated for interior
use. Based on an alkyd resin it provides excellent obliteration
and flow characteristics and produces a smooth even finish
with excellent durability".

I rang and spoke to the Johntone's technical support desk, who said the
formulation was exactly what they would use for an exterior paint, and the
reason it said "Interior" was that getting it independently certified for
"Exterior" was a long and expensive process, so hadn't be done for this
paint.
I then asked about yellowing and they said that yellowing would only take
place in low light conditions indoors eg on skirting boards and that the
paint would be fine used externally in natural UV light.

So we have a paint sold as interior that is better as an exterior paint.

I blame the EU.
--
Bill

Brian Gaff wrote:
Yes, I blame those who cannot actually describe their paint. If they are
truly sure they should still be able to say that its good for, xxx and that
its not been certified but the company standsy by its products.

Sounds a bit like a 'mint condition' MOT failure. If it's in such good
shape, why not put it in for the MOT because it'll surely pass? Unless,
perish the thought, it isn't actually in mint condition...

Theo

On Tuesday, June 25, 2013 3:52:40 PM UTC+1, Bill wrote:

So we have a paint sold as interior that is better as an exterior paint.
I blame the EU.

Alkyd should be fine outdoors. Its a weird world, you can still buy paint stripper but its not allowed to be labelled as paint stripper now. Paint stripper that isnt but is.


NT

On Wednesday 26 June 2013 14:33 wrote in uk.d-i-y:

On Tuesday, June 25, 2013 3:52:40 PM UTC+1, Bill wrote:

So we have a paint sold as interior that is better as an exterior paint.
I blame the EU.

Alkyd should be fine outdoors. Its a weird world, you can still buy paint
stripper but its not allowed to be labelled as paint stripper now. Paint
stripper that isnt but is.

What's it labelled as?

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On 26/06/2013 15:05, Tim Watts wrote:
On Wednesday 26 June 2013 14:33 wrote in uk.d-i-y:

On Tuesday, June 25, 2013 3:52:40 PM UTC+1, Bill wrote:

So we have a paint sold as interior that is better as an exterior paint.
I blame the EU.

Alkyd should be fine outdoors. Its a weird world, you can still buy paint
stripper but its not allowed to be labelled as paint stripper now. Paint
stripper that isnt but is.

What's it labelled as?

Coating removal agent?


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On 26/06/2013 16:30, Peter Crosland wrote:
On 26/06/2013 15:05, Tim Watts wrote:
On Wednesday 26 June 2013 14:33 wrote in uk.d-i-y:

On Tuesday, June 25, 2013 3:52:40 PM UTC+1, Bill wrote:

So we have a paint sold as interior that is better as an exterior
paint.
I blame the EU.

Alkyd should be fine outdoors. Its a weird world, you can still buy
paint
stripper but its not allowed to be labelled as paint stripper now. Paint
stripper that isnt but is.

What's it labelled as?

Coating removal agent?


Lloyd Grossman pasta sauce

Peter Crosland wrote:
On 26/06/2013 15:05, Tim Watts wrote:
On Wednesday 26 June 2013 14:33 wrote in uk.d-i-y:

On Tuesday, June 25, 2013 3:52:40 PM UTC+1, Bill wrote:

So we have a paint sold as interior that is better as an exterior
paint.
I blame the EU.

Alkyd should be fine outdoors. Its a weird world, you can still buy
paint
stripper but its not allowed to be labelled as paint stripper now. Paint
stripper that isnt but is.

What's it labelled as?

Coating removal agent?


Coating Removal Agent, Permanent.

Although that would better suit the official p[aint remover nowadays.
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John.

On 26/06/2013 15:05, Tim Watts wrote:
On Wednesday 26 June 2013 14:33 wrote in uk.d-i-y:

On Tuesday, June 25, 2013 3:52:40 PM UTC+1, Bill wrote:

So we have a paint sold as interior that is better as an exterior paint.
I blame the EU.

Alkyd should be fine outdoors. Its a weird world, you can still buy paint
stripper but its not allowed to be labelled as paint stripper now. Paint
stripper that isnt but is.

What's it labelled as?

Retsina :-)

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Martin Brown

On Wednesday, June 26, 2013 3:05:23 PM UTC+1, Tim Watts wrote:
On Wednesday 26 June 2013 14:33 wrote in uk.d-i-y:

Alkyd should be fine outdoors. Its a weird world, you can still buy paint
stripper but its not allowed to be labelled as paint stripper now. Paint
stripper that isnt but is.

What's it labelled as?

methylene chloride. It is toxic.


NT.

On 27/06/2013 12:12, wrote:
On Wednesday, June 26, 2013 3:05:23 PM UTC+1, Tim Watts wrote:
On Wednesday 26 June 2013 14:33 wrote in uk.d-i-y:

Alkyd should be fine outdoors. Its a weird world, you can still buy paint
stripper but its not allowed to be labelled as paint stripper now. Paint
stripper that isnt but is.

What's it labelled as?

methylene chloride. It is toxic.


NT.


The old Rustins product, Strypit, still seems to be available. Still
listed as dichloromethane too

http://www.flooringsuppliescentre.co...ripper_1l.html

On 27/06/2013 13:07, stuart noble wrote:

The old Rustins product, Strypit, still seems to be available. Still
listed as dichloromethane too

Maybe not...

"Strypit

Rustins new formula Strypit is a non-caustic dichloromethane-free gel
suitable for removing multiple coats of paints and varnishes applied to
wood, metal, glass, stone and masonry surfaces. New formula Strypit
works best when applied liberally and allowed to penetrate after two
applications. The gel consistency permits effective use on vertical
surfaces."

http://www.rustins.eu/Details.asp?ProductID=888

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On Wednesday, June 26, 2013 3:05:23 PM UTC+1, Tim Watts wrote:
On Wednesday 26 June 2013 14:33 wrote in uk.d-i-y:
Its a weird world, you can still buy paint stripper but
its not allowed to be labelled as paint stripper now.

What's it labelled as?


Adhesive remover, resin remover, etc. See http://www.stripperspaintremovers.co...nt_removal.htm

For example "Adhesive Remover 510" http://www.stripperspaintremovers.co...age%20Data.pdf.

I suspect somebody has had words with that site. It used to
have "Paint Remover 510" (which one assumed didn't work), and
"Adhesive Remover 510" (which presumably did).

Tim Watts wrote:

On Wednesday 26 June 2013 14:33 wrote in uk.d-i-y:

you can still buy paint
stripper but its not allowed to be labelled as paint stripper now. Paint
stripper that isnt but is.

What's it labelled as?

Di-Clo for model making ... welding acrylics, or in bulk

http://stores.ebay.co.uk/APC-PURE/Dichloromethane-/_i.html?_fsub=3754198011

Course, you'd want something (wallpaper paste?) to make it into a sticky
paste ...