One to wind TurNiP up.

http://transitionculture.org/2011/03...alexis-rowell/

Old but still relevent.

harry-the-troll is back.

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On 27/05/13 08:47, Tim Streater wrote:
In article
,
harry wrote:

One to wind TurNiP up.

http://transitionculture.org/2011/03...ear-was-a-mist

ake-even-before-fukushima-an-open-letter-to-chris-huhne-from-alexis-rowell/


Old but still relevent.

No, old and irrelevant. Each one of these "points" is comprehensively
demolished each time it's put forward. But you're too dim to notice.

Exactly so. 17% of the worlds electricity, and the lowest death rate of
any power generation industry overall.

The facts speak for themselves.

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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 27/05/13 08:47, Tim Streater wrote:
In article
,
harry wrote:

One to wind TurNiP up.

http://transitionculture.org/2011/03...ear-was-a-mist
ake-even-before-fukushima-an-open-letter-to-chris-huhne-from-alexis-rowell/

Old but still relevent.

No, old and irrelevant.

Bit like harry then.


Exactly so. 17% of the worlds electricity, and the lowest death rate of
any power generation industry overall.

The facts speak for themselves.

but harry is a born again green arse, their 'bible' dosent recognize the
word 'fact'

On 27/05/2013 08:47, Tim Streater wrote:
In article
,
harry wrote:

One to wind TurNiP up.

http://transitionculture.org/2011/03...ear-was-a-mist

ake-even-before-fukushima-an-open-letter-to-chris-huhne-from-alexis-rowell/


Old but still relevent.

No, old and irrelevant. Each one of these "points" is comprehensively
demolished each time it's put forward. But you're too dim to notice.

+1

Colin Bignell

Tim Streater wrote:

In article
,
harry wrote:

One to wind TurNiP up.

http://transitionculture.org/2011/03...w-nuclear-was-
a-mistake-even-before-fukushima-an-open-letter-to-chris-huhne-from-alexi
s-rowell/

Old but still relevent.

No, old and irrelevant. Each one of these "points" is comprehensively
demolished each time it's put forward. But you're too dim to notice.

First claimed point "Nuclear is too expensive"

That's an easy one to test:

Electricity prices

Italy - Electricity domestic average 22p/kWh
UK - Electricity domestic average 15.5p/kWh
France - Electricity domestic average 14p/kWH

Nuclear Generation

Italy 0 TWH/pa
UK 62.1 TWH/pa
France 387.8 TWH/pa

Gosh yes, nuclear has really pushed electricity prices up in France,
not.

So the first claim is a lie, that tends to indicate that it's not worth
reading the rest of the ****.

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On 27/05/2013 14:23, Steve Firth wrote:
Tim Streater wrote:

In article
,
harry wrote:

One to wind TurNiP up.

http://transitionculture.org/2011/03...w-nuclear-was-
a-mistake-even-before-fukushima-an-open-letter-to-chris-huhne-from-alexi
s-rowell/

Old but still relevent.

No, old and irrelevant. Each one of these "points" is comprehensively
demolished each time it's put forward. But you're too dim to notice.

First claimed point "Nuclear is too expensive"

That's an easy one to test:

Electricity prices

Italy - Electricity domestic average 22p/kWh
UK - Electricity domestic average 15.5p/kWh
France - Electricity domestic average 14p/kWH

Nuclear Generation

Italy 0 TWH/pa
UK 62.1 TWH/pa
France 387.8 TWH/pa

Gosh yes, nuclear has really pushed electricity prices up in France,
not.

So the first claim is a lie, that tends to indicate that it's not worth
reading the rest of the ****.

As I have commented before, if Harry believes it, it is probably wrong,
irrespective of what 'it' is.

Colin Bignell

On May 27, 2:23*pm, (Steve Firth) wrote:
Tim Streater wrote:
In article
,
*harry wrote:

One to wind TurNiP up.

http://transitionculture.org/2011/03...w-nuclear-was-
a-mistake-even-before-fukushima-an-open-letter-to-chris-huhne-from-alexi
s-rowell/

Old but still relevent.

No, old and irrelevant. Each one of these "points" is comprehensively
demolished each time it's put forward. But you're too dim to notice.

First claimed point "Nuclear is too expensive"

That's an easy one to test:

Electricity prices

Italy - Electricity domestic average 22p/kWh
UK - Electricity domestic average 15.5p/kWh
France - Electricity domestic average 14p/kWH

Nuclear Generation

Italy 0 TWH/pa
UK * * *62.1 TWH/pa
France *387.8 TWH/pa

Tch Much of the French nuclear plant is due for replacemant.
The we'll see the true cost.

Taxpayer subsidised, in debt, in danger of default.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear..._and_economics

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear...Nuclear_safety

On Mon, 27 May 2013 09:03:56 -0700, harry wrote:

Taxpayer subsidised,

Pot. Kettle. Black.

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On 27/05/13 17:03, harry wrote:
On May 27, 2:23 pm, (Steve Firth) wrote:
Tim Streater wrote:
In article
,
harry wrote:
One to wind TurNiP up.
http://transitionculture.org/2011/03...w-nuclear-was-
a-mistake-even-before-fukushima-an-open-letter-to-chris-huhne-from-alexi
s-rowell/
Old but still relevent.
No, old and irrelevant. Each one of these "points" is comprehensively
demolished each time it's put forward. But you're too dim to notice.
First claimed point "Nuclear is too expensive"

That's an easy one to test:

Electricity prices

Italy - Electricity domestic average 22p/kWh
UK - Electricity domestic average 15.5p/kWh
France - Electricity domestic average 14p/kWH

Nuclear Generation

Italy 0 TWH/pa
UK 62.1 TWH/pa
France 387.8 TWH/pa
Tch Much of the French nuclear plant is due for replacemant.
The we'll see the true cost.

Taxpayer subsidised, in debt, in danger of default.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear..._and_economics

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear...Nuclear_safety

France shows that a 80% nuclear wont break the bank. Finland reckons its
the cheapest alterntaive bar none.

Areva reactors are overpriced at the moment, but they are not the only
game in town.

But even at worst case prices the Areva reactor still knocks wind/solar+
backup into the tall grass.
Cheapest generation is coal.,Cheapest zero carbon is nuclear. Take your
pick.

Renewable is neither cheap nor low carbon. Its total pants.

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On May 27, 7:24*pm, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
On 27/05/13 17:03, harry wrote:









On May 27, 2:23 pm, (Steve Firth) wrote:
Tim Streater wrote:
In article
,
* harry wrote:
One to wind TurNiP up.
http://transitionculture.org/2011/03...w-nuclear-was-
a-mistake-even-before-fukushima-an-open-letter-to-chris-huhne-from-alexi
s-rowell/
Old but still relevent.
No, old and irrelevant. Each one of these "points" is comprehensively
demolished each time it's put forward. But you're too dim to notice.
First claimed point "Nuclear is too expensive"

That's an easy one to test:

Electricity prices

Italy - Electricity domestic average 22p/kWh
UK - Electricity domestic average 15.5p/kWh
France - Electricity domestic average 14p/kWH

Nuclear Generation

Italy 0 TWH/pa
UK * * *62.1 TWH/pa
France *387.8 TWH/pa
Tch Much of the French nuclear plant is due for replacemant.
The we'll see the true cost.

Taxpayer subsidised, in debt, in danger of default.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear...nagement_and_e...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear...Nuclear_safety

France shows that a 80% nuclear wont break the bank. Finland reckons its
the cheapest alterntaive bar none.

Areva reactors are overpriced at the moment, but they are not the only
game in town.

But even at worst case prices the Areva reactor still knocks wind/solar+
backup into the tall grass.
Cheapest generation is coal.,Cheapest zero carbon is nuclear. Take your
pick.

Renewable is neither cheap nor low carbon. Its total pants.

--
Ineptocracy

(in-ep-toc’-ra-cy) – a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers.

We seem to be rushing headlong into total dependance on gas. We need
coal to bridge the gap between now and when we get new nuke plants
built. Time for Harry's friends to get all their objections in.

Philip

harry wrote:

On May 27, 2:23 pm, (Steve Firth) wrote:
Tim Streater wrote:
In article
,
harry wrote:

One to wind TurNiP up.

http://transitionculture.org/2011/03...w-nuclear-was-
a-mistake-even-before-fukushima-an-open-letter-to-chris-huhne-from-alexi
s-rowell/

Old but still relevent.

No, old and irrelevant. Each one of these "points" is comprehensively
demolished each time it's put forward. But you're too dim to notice.

First claimed point "Nuclear is too expensive"

That's an easy one to test:

Electricity prices

Italy - Electricity domestic average 22p/kWh
UK - Electricity domestic average 15.5p/kWh
France - Electricity domestic average 14p/kWH

Nuclear Generation

Italy 0 TWH/pa
UK 62.1 TWH/pa
France 387.8 TWH/pa

Tch Much of the French nuclear plant is due for replacemant.
The we'll see the true cost.

Taxpayer subsidised, in debt, in danger of default.

Unlike domestic solar and windpower eh. Harold? Oh no, you're telling
pork pies, again, "renewables" are subsidised to the hilt and are the
most expensive form of electricity, ever. If you want to end up paying
50p/unit for electricity vote for "renewables".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear..._and_economics

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear...Nuclear_safety

As ever links posted without comment, presumably to try to give the
impression that there is a nuclear safety and an economic problem with
nuclear. Using the source that it is created and edited by morons.

The first link says nothing bad about the economics of nuclear power in
France, so quite what you think is damning about it is a mystery.

The second link tries to cast FUD on nuclear but the truth is that
French nuclear incidents are notable by their absence. The ASN is simply
being hyper-cautious.

You might want to address the fact that coal fired power stations have
emitted more radioactive material than all of the nuclear power stations
in the world and all of the A-bomb tests in the world combined. But I
bet you won't.

I also bet you won't dare to comment on how much fossil fuel is used to
create photovoltaic panels.

In further confirmation that the so-called greens are lying ****bags the
"Alexis Rowell" article that you linked to was published in the
self-interest magazine that he edits, yet it is described as a "guest
publication". A bit of honesty would have helped, don't you think[1].



[1] Yes you don't.

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Burn Hollywood burn, burn down to the ground

"Steve Firth" wrote in message
.. .
harry wrote:

On May 27, 2:23 pm, (Steve Firth) wrote:
Tim Streater wrote:
In article
,
harry wrote:

One to wind TurNiP up.

http://transitionculture.org/2011/03...w-nuclear-was-
a-mistake-even-before-fukushima-an-open-letter-to-chris-huhne-from-alexi
s-rowell/

Old but still relevent.

No, old and irrelevant. Each one of these "points" is comprehensively
demolished each time it's put forward. But you're too dim to notice.

First claimed point "Nuclear is too expensive"

That's an easy one to test:

Electricity prices

Italy - Electricity domestic average 22p/kWh
UK - Electricity domestic average 15.5p/kWh
France - Electricity domestic average 14p/kWH

Nuclear Generation

Italy 0 TWH/pa
UK 62.1 TWH/pa
France 387.8 TWH/pa

Tch Much of the French nuclear plant is due for replacemant.
The we'll see the true cost.

Taxpayer subsidised, in debt, in danger of default.

Unlike domestic solar and windpower eh. Harold?

But that's completely irrelevant to the argument posit that the "French"
nuclear price is, or in this case isn't, the achievable price in an
unsubsidised world

tim

On 27/05/13 21:10, tim...... wrote:

"Steve Firth" wrote in message
.. .
harry wrote:

On May 27, 2:23 pm, (Steve Firth) wrote:
Tim Streater wrote:
In article
,
harry wrote:

One to wind TurNiP up.


http://transitionculture.org/2011/03...w-nuclear-was-

a-mistake-even-before-fukushima-an-open-letter-to-chris-huhne-from-alexi

s-rowell/

Old but still relevent.

No, old and irrelevant. Each one of these "points" is
comprehensively
demolished each time it's put forward. But you're too dim to
notice.

First claimed point "Nuclear is too expensive"

That's an easy one to test:

Electricity prices

Italy - Electricity domestic average 22p/kWh
UK - Electricity domestic average 15.5p/kWh
France - Electricity domestic average 14p/kWH

Nuclear Generation

Italy 0 TWH/pa
UK 62.1 TWH/pa
France 387.8 TWH/pa

Tch Much of the French nuclear plant is due for replacemant.
The we'll see the true cost.

Taxpayer subsidised, in debt, in danger of default.

Unlike domestic solar and windpower eh. Harold?

But that's completely irrelevant to the argument posit that the
"French" nuclear price is, or in this case isn't, the achievable price
in an unsubsidised world

tim

government calculated cost price of nuclear was 6-8p a unit.

IF you don't shut it down tax it out of existence, make owners sign in
blood on massive insurance policies designed to rebuild the country from
scratch if someone drops a fuel rod and decomission to a level where its
less radioactive than the inside of an empty lead box after you have
finished etc etc.

ALL of which have been proposed by the Liberal 'democrats'.

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Ineptocracy

(in-ep-toc-ra-cy) €“ a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers.

tim...... wrote:

Unlike domestic solar and windpower eh. Harold?

But

Those *******s who snip all context, eh tim?

--
Burn Hollywood burn, burn down to the ground

On May 27, 8:05*pm, (Steve Firth) wrote:
harry wrote:
On May 27, 2:23 pm, (Steve Firth) wrote:
Tim Streater wrote:
In article
,
*harry wrote:

One to wind TurNiP up.

http://transitionculture.org/2011/03...w-nuclear-was-
a-mistake-even-before-fukushima-an-open-letter-to-chris-huhne-from-alexi
s-rowell/

Old but still relevent.

No, old and irrelevant. Each one of these "points" is comprehensively
demolished each time it's put forward. But you're too dim to notice..

First claimed point "Nuclear is too expensive"

That's an easy one to test:

Electricity prices

Italy - Electricity domestic average 22p/kWh
UK - Electricity domestic average 15.5p/kWh
France - Electricity domestic average 14p/kWH

Nuclear Generation

Italy 0 TWH/pa
UK * * *62.1 TWH/pa
France *387.8 TWH/pa

Tch Much of the French nuclear plant is due for replacemant.
The we'll see the true cost.

Taxpayer subsidised, in debt, in danger of default.

Unlike domestic solar and windpower eh. Harold? Oh no, you're telling
pork pies, again, "renewables" are subsidised to the hilt and are the
most expensive form of electricity, ever. If you want to end up paying
50p/unit for electricity vote for "renewables".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear...nagement_and_e...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear...Nuclear_safety

As ever links posted without comment, presumably to try to give the
impression that there is a nuclear safety and an economic problem with
nuclear. Using the source that it is created and edited by morons.

The first link says nothing bad about the economics of nuclear power in
France, so quite what you think is damning about it is a mystery.

The second link tries to cast FUD on nuclear but the truth is that
French nuclear incidents are notable by their absence. The ASN is simply
being hyper-cautious.

You might want to address the fact that coal fired power stations have
emitted more radioactive material than all of the nuclear power stations
in the world and all of the A-bomb tests in the world combined. But I
bet you won't.

I also bet you won't dare to comment on how much fossil fuel is used to
create photovoltaic panels.

In further confirmation that the so-called greens are lying ****bags the
"Alexis Rowell" article that you linked to was published in the
self-interest magazine that he edits, yet it is described as a "guest
publication". A bit of honesty would have helped, don't you think[1].

[1] Yes you don't.

--
Burn Hollywood burn, burn down to the ground

The link says the French nuclear is subsidised to the hilt and in
danger of going bust without further cash from the French
taxpayer.
Also much plant is old and in need of renewal. Then we'll see the true
cost.
Let them privatise it so it has to stand alone.
EDF is haggling for government subsidies in this country re the
Hinckley point project

The current price paid for FIT electricity is £0.1544/Kwh and falling.
http://www.ofgem.gov.uk/Sustainabili...r%202012 .pdf

New nuclear power is expected to double present electricity costs.
http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21839684

So spouting your usual drivel

On Mon, 27 May 2013 23:17:57 -0700, harry wrote:

The link says the French nuclear is subsidised to the hilt and in danger
of going bust without further cash from the French taxpayer.
Also much plant is old and in need of renewal. Then we'll see the true
cost.

Let them privatise it so it has to stand alone.

And do the same to the renewables programmes.



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Terry Fields