Looks like 3D printing has found its killer application.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-22421185

I suppose it was inevitable but I'd rather that terrorists weren't given
any more help than necessary. :-(

Tim

Huge wrote:
On 2013-05-06, Tim+ wrote:
Looks like 3D printing has found its killer application.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-22421185

I suppose it was inevitable but I'd rather that terrorists weren't given
any more help than necessary. :-(

Don't be ridiculous. Terrorists aren't going to **** about with single
shot rimfire .22 pistols, when the gun makers of Peshawar are turning
out thousands of AK-47 clones a month.



Which is going to be easier to get on to a plane?

Tim

On 06/05/2013 15:28, Tim+ wrote:
Huge wrote:
On 2013-05-06, Tim+ wrote:
Looks like 3D printing has found its killer application.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-22421185

I suppose it was inevitable but I'd rather that terrorists weren't given
any more help than necessary. :-(

Don't be ridiculous. Terrorists aren't going to **** about with single
shot rimfire .22 pistols, when the gun makers of Peshawar are turning
out thousands of AK-47 clones a month.



Which is going to be easier to get on to a plane?

Tim

Gun.

Those 3D printers are really awkward to carry...

--
Rod

polygonum wrote:
On 06/05/2013 15:28, Tim+ wrote:
Huge wrote:
On 2013-05-06, Tim+ wrote:
Looks like 3D printing has found its killer application.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-22421185

I suppose it was inevitable but I'd rather that terrorists weren't
given any more help than necessary. :-(

Don't be ridiculous. Terrorists aren't going to **** about with
single shot rimfire .22 pistols, when the gun makers of Peshawar
are turning out thousands of AK-47 clones a month.



Which is going to be easier to get on to a plane?

Tim

Gun.

Those 3D printers are really awkward to carry...

And if you run out of plastic halfway though printing..........

--
Adam

On 06/05/2013 15:45, ARW wrote:
polygonum wrote:
On 06/05/2013 15:28, Tim+ wrote:
Huge wrote:
On 2013-05-06, Tim+ wrote:
Looks like 3D printing has found its killer application.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-22421185

I suppose it was inevitable but I'd rather that terrorists weren't
given any more help than necessary. :-(

Don't be ridiculous. Terrorists aren't going to **** about with
single shot rimfire .22 pistols, when the gun makers of Peshawar
are turning out thousands of AK-47 clones a month.



Which is going to be easier to get on to a plane?

Tim

Gun.

Those 3D printers are really awkward to carry...

And if you run out of plastic halfway though printing..........

You end up with a sawn-off shotgun.....

(So long as you are printing in the right direction. Otherwise it is a
barrel of fun.)

--
Rod

On Mon, 06 May 2013 16:00:17 +0100, polygonum
wrote:

And if you run out of plastic halfway though printing..........

You end up with a sawn-off shotgun.....

(So long as you are printing in the right direction. Otherwise it is a
barrel of fun.)

Or a stock in filler.

Huge wrote:
On 2013-05-06, Tim+ wrote:
Huge wrote:
On 2013-05-06, Tim+ wrote:
Looks like 3D printing has found its killer application.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-22421185

I suppose it was inevitable but I'd rather that terrorists weren't given
any more help than necessary. :-(

Don't be ridiculous. Terrorists aren't going to **** about with single
shot rimfire .22 pistols, when the gun makers of Peshawar are turning
out thousands of AK-47 clones a month.



Which is going to be easier to get on to a plane?

Do people like you really live their lives worrying about such things? How
do you even get out of bed in the morning?



By ignoring ****s like you?

Tim

On 06/05/2013 14:12, Tim+ wrote:
Looks like 3D printing has found its killer application.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-22421185

I suppose it was inevitable but I'd rather that terrorists weren't given
any more help than necessary. :-(


I'd be really impressed if they printed some ammunition.

Another Dave

On May 6, 2:56*pm, Huge wrote:
On 2013-05-06, Tim+ wrote:

Looks like 3D printing has found its killer application.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-22421185

I suppose it was inevitable but I'd rather that terrorists weren't given
any more help than necessary. :-(

Don't be ridiculous. Terrorists aren't going to **** about with single
shot rimfire .22 pistols, when the gun makers of Peshawar are turning
out thousands of AK-47 clones a month.

True.

In message , Huge
writes
On 2013-05-06, Tim+ wrote:
Looks like 3D printing has found its killer application.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-22421185

I suppose it was inevitable but I'd rather that terrorists weren't given
any more help than necessary. :-(

Don't be ridiculous. Terrorists aren't going to **** about with single
shot rimfire .22 pistols, when the gun makers of Peshawar are turning
out thousands of AK-47 clones a month.

Depends on the intended use, a 22 will kill you just as well as anything
else and is much more discrete. Not all terrorists go in all guns
blazing.




--
Bill

Bill wrote:
In message , Huge writes
On 2013-05-06, Tim+ wrote:
Looks like 3D printing has found its killer application.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-22421185

I suppose it was inevitable but I'd rather that terrorists weren't given
any more help than necessary. :-(

Don't be ridiculous. Terrorists aren't going to **** about with single
shot rimfire .22 pistols, when the gun makers of Peshawar are turning
out thousands of AK-47 clones a month.

Depends on the intended use, a 22 will kill you just as well as anything
else and is much more discrete. Not all terrorists go in all guns blazing.


Just another idle thought, if possession of an unlicensed firearm is
illegal (and I don't think that you have to have ammunition for it to be
illegal), at what stage in the manufacturing process would it become
illegal? When you've assembled it, when you've printed up all the bits or
maybe when you press the start button?

Tim

On 06/05/2013 20:14, Tim+ wrote:
Bill wrote:
In message , Huge writes
On 2013-05-06, Tim+ wrote:
Looks like 3D printing has found its killer application.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-22421185

I suppose it was inevitable but I'd rather that terrorists weren't given
any more help than necessary. :-(

Don't be ridiculous. Terrorists aren't going to **** about with single
shot rimfire .22 pistols, when the gun makers of Peshawar are turning
out thousands of AK-47 clones a month.

Depends on the intended use, a 22 will kill you just as well as anything
else and is much more discrete. Not all terrorists go in all guns blazing.


Just another idle thought, if possession of an unlicensed firearm is
illegal (and I don't think that you have to have ammunition for it to be
illegal), at what stage in the manufacturing process would it become
illegal? When you've assembled it, when you've printed up all the bits or
maybe when you press the start button?

Tim

I'd guess as soon as the person has shown intention (to acquire an
unlicensed firearm) and started to execute the processes of manufacture.

Arguably that could be at quite an early stage. Also, arguably, even a
non-viable device would be an offence - otherwise, until made and fired,
it cannot be known it is viable.

--
Rod

On 06/05/2013 19:59, Bill wrote:

Depends on the intended use, a 22 will kill you just as well as anything
else and is much more discrete. Not all terrorists go in all guns blazing.


No metal parts except for the firing pin so hard to detect when going
through airport security.

I think one of the US crime programmes recently featured a printed gun
as a disposable weapon that was untraceable.

Just wait until the printers become £100 and the "compatible"
consumables cost a few quid a pop.


--
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On 06/05/2013 17:36, Another Dave wrote:
On 06/05/2013 14:12, Tim+ wrote:
Looks like 3D printing has found its killer application.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-22421185

I suppose it was inevitable but I'd rather that terrorists weren't given
any more help than necessary. :-(


I'd be really impressed if they printed some ammunition.


Probable feasible with a few dismantled readily available firework or
shotgun cartridges.


--
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On 06/05/13 19:59, Bill wrote:
In message , Huge
writes
On 2013-05-06, Tim+ wrote:
Looks like 3D printing has found its killer application.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-22421185

I suppose it was inevitable but I'd rather that terrorists weren't
given
any more help than necessary. :-(

Don't be ridiculous. Terrorists aren't going to **** about with single
shot rimfire .22 pistols, when the gun makers of Peshawar are turning
out thousands of AK-47 clones a month.

Depends on the intended use, a 22 will kill you just as well as
anything else and is much more discrete. Not all terrorists go in all
guns blazing.


On the contrary, that's exactly what they do. Its called a 'spectacular'
an it involves giving the media a whacking big story. A 22 in the base
of the skull is not interesting. Blood strewn corpses and a huge bang, are..

half the audience is the terrorists themselves.. They get a kick out of
seeing the Enemy on TV smashed to bits.






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In message , alan
writes
On 06/05/2013 17:36, Another Dave wrote:
On 06/05/2013 14:12, Tim+ wrote:
Looks like 3D printing has found its killer application.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-22421185

I suppose it was inevitable but I'd rather that terrorists weren't given
any more help than necessary. :-(


I'd be really impressed if they printed some ammunition.


Probable feasible with a few dismantled readily available firework or
shotgun cartridges.

In my youth, starting pistol blanks were readily available and 0.22
rimfire bird scarer blanks for the really adventurous.



--
Tim Lamb

CSI and I suspect other us series have already done this disposable printed
weapon thing, but I still have my doubts it would be safe and what about the
bullets?

Brian

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"Tim+" wrote in message
...
Looks like 3D printing has found its killer application.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-22421185

I suppose it was inevitable but I'd rather that terrorists weren't given
any more help than necessary. :-(

Tim

Tim Lamb wrote:

In my youth, starting pistol blanks were readily available

And mine, as 6th formers we could sign for a tin of them on the school's
drama 'tab' at the local gunmakers, of course none of them were ever
misappropriated for experiments, no, no.

On 07/05/2013 08:38, Brian Gaff wrote:
CSI and I suspect other us series have already done this disposable printed
weapon thing, but I still have my doubts it would be safe

According to reports it fires .22 rounds and it appears to have single
use short barrels with thick walls. The bullet should have left the
barrel before there is any serious build up of pressure. However, that
means that, like any very short barrel gun, from SS belt buckle guns to
mobile phone guns, they are unlikely to be effective except at very
close range.

and what about the
bullets?

The designers are American. They assume anybody can get hold of bullets
in their local corner shop.

Colin Bignell

On 06/05/2013 15:28, Tim+ wrote:
Huge wrote:
On 2013-05-06, Tim+ wrote:
Looks like 3D printing has found its killer application.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-22421185

I suppose it was inevitable but I'd rather that terrorists weren't given
any more help than necessary. :-(

Don't be ridiculous. Terrorists aren't going to **** about with single
shot rimfire .22 pistols, when the gun makers of Peshawar are turning
out thousands of AK-47 clones a month.



Which is going to be easier to get on to a plane?

In the 1960s and 1970s, it was going to be the Gyrojet pistol that was
would be the weapon of choice for hijackers.

Colin Bignell

Tim+ wrote:
Huge wrote:
On 2013-05-06, Tim+ wrote:
Looks like 3D printing has found its killer application.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-22421185

I suppose it was inevitable but I'd rather that terrorists weren't given
any more help than necessary. :-(
Don't be ridiculous. Terrorists aren't going to **** about with single
shot rimfire .22 pistols, when the gun makers of Peshawar are turning
out thousands of AK-47 clones a month.



Which is going to be easier to get on to a plane?

The plastic one. HTH.


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John.

On 06/05/2013 20:14, Tim+ wrote:
Bill wrote:
In message , Huge writes
On 2013-05-06, Tim+ wrote:
Looks like 3D printing has found its killer application.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-22421185

I suppose it was inevitable but I'd rather that terrorists weren't given
any more help than necessary. :-(

Don't be ridiculous. Terrorists aren't going to **** about with single
shot rimfire .22 pistols, when the gun makers of Peshawar are turning
out thousands of AK-47 clones a month.

Depends on the intended use, a 22 will kill you just as well as anything
else and is much more discrete. Not all terrorists go in all guns blazing.


Just another idle thought, if possession of an unlicensed firearm is
illegal (and I don't think that you have to have ammunition for it to be
illegal), at what stage in the manufacturing process would it become
illegal? When you've assembled it, when you've printed up all the bits or
maybe when you press the start button?

Tim


Possibly when you download the file or talk about it with others as that
could be conspiracy to commit a crime, which is a crime in its own right.

On 07/05/2013 10:01, dennis@home wrote:
On 06/05/2013 20:14, Tim+ wrote:
Bill wrote:
In message , Huge
writes
On 2013-05-06, Tim+ wrote:
Looks like 3D printing has found its killer application.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-22421185

I suppose it was inevitable but I'd rather that terrorists weren't
given
any more help than necessary. :-(

Don't be ridiculous. Terrorists aren't going to **** about with single
shot rimfire .22 pistols, when the gun makers of Peshawar are turning
out thousands of AK-47 clones a month.

Depends on the intended use, a 22 will kill you just as well as anything
else and is much more discrete. Not all terrorists go in all guns
blazing.


Just another idle thought, if possession of an unlicensed firearm is
illegal (and I don't think that you have to have ammunition for it to be
illegal), at what stage in the manufacturing process would it become
illegal? When you've assembled it, when you've printed up all the
bits or
maybe when you press the start button?

Tim


Possibly when you download the file or talk about it with others as that
could be conspiracy to commit a crime, which is a crime in its own right.

That would not make the gun illegal because a conspiracy can (and
arguably would) occur without any manufacturing process and the question
was "at what stage in the manufacturing process would it become illegal?"

Such conspiracy as you suggest may not apply to anyone who could
otherwise be implicated in such a conspiracy if such persons are outwith
the legal system in which the gun is being manufactured. And you'd
probably find that actual manufacture would attract a higher sentence
than conspiracy.

--
Rod

Tim+ wrote:
Huge wrote:
On 2013-05-06, Tim+ wrote:
Looks like 3D printing has found its killer application.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-22421185

I suppose it was inevitable but I'd rather that terrorists weren't given
any more help than necessary. :-(

Don't be ridiculous. Terrorists aren't going to **** about with single
shot rimfire .22 pistols, when the gun makers of Peshawar are turning
out thousands of AK-47 clones a month.



Which is going to be easier to get on to a plane?

Tim

OOH I have made a plastic gun I must see if I can get it on a plane.

On 06/05/2013 2:12 PM, Tim+ wrote:
Looks like 3D printing has found its killer application.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-22421185

I suppose it was inevitable but I'd rather that terrorists weren't given
any more help than necessary. :-(

Tim


Thank goodness for the 3D flap jacket!!

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"dennis@home" posted
Just another idle thought, if possession of an unlicensed firearm is
illegal (and I don't think that you have to have ammunition for it to be
illegal), at what stage in the manufacturing process would it become
illegal? When you've assembled it, when you've printed up all the bits or
maybe when you press the start button?

Possibly when you download the file or talk about it with others as
that could be conspiracy to commit a crime, which is a crime in its own
right.

I went to a car boot sale on Sunday and bought a 1980 book called
something like "Shooting for Sport and Pleasure". The first two chapters
are detailed instructions on how to manufacture your own real live gun.
I half expected to be pounced on by Special Branch as I walked out the
school gates with it ...

--
Les

Huge wrote:
On 2013-05-06, Tim+ wrote:
Huge wrote:
On 2013-05-06, Tim+ wrote:
Huge wrote:
On 2013-05-06, Tim+ wrote:
Looks like 3D printing has found its killer application.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-22421185

I suppose it was inevitable but I'd rather that terrorists weren't given
any more help than necessary. :-(

Don't be ridiculous. Terrorists aren't going to **** about with single
shot rimfire .22 pistols, when the gun makers of Peshawar are turning
out thousands of AK-47 clones a month.



Which is going to be easier to get on to a plane?

Do people like you really live their lives worrying about such things? How
do you even get out of bed in the morning?



By ignoring ****s like you?

In what way is this "ignoring" me, ****head?



Wow, speedy riposte! I can't tell I am totally outclassed by your
lightning wit. I bow before the new Oscar Wilde.

Tim

On Mon, 06 May 2013 20:53:03 +0100, polygonum
wrote:

Arguably that could be at quite an early stage. Also, arguably, even a
non-viable device would be an offence - otherwise, until made and fired,
it cannot be known it is viable.

Intent is important, of course, and that's why I've never cut from the
metal my design for a ****ing efficient machine gun.
I can just imagine the ****e I'd be in if it were found, even sans
ammunition, which is the most awkward part to get.

Tim Streater wrote:
In article

rnal-september.org,
Tim+ wrote:

Huge wrote:
On 2013-05-06, Tim+ wrote:
Huge wrote:
On 2013-05-06, Tim+ wrote:
Huge wrote:
On 2013-05-06, Tim+ wrote:
Looks like 3D printing has found its killer application.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-22421185
I suppose it was inevitable but I'd rather that
terrorists weren't given
any more help than necessary. :-(
Don't be ridiculous. Terrorists aren't going to **** about
with single
shot rimfire .22 pistols, when the gun makers of Peshawar are
turning
out thousands of AK-47 clones a month.


Which is going to be easier to get on to a plane?
Do people like you really live their lives worrying about such
things? How
do you even get out of bed in the morning?

By ignoring ****s like you?
In what way is this "ignoring" me, ****head?

Wow, speedy riposte! I can't tell I am totally outclassed by your
lightning wit. I bow before the new Oscar Wilde.

Are you sure he's not actually a shining wit?

Maybe, if your name is spooner.

Huge wrote:
On 2013-05-07, Tim+ wrote:
Huge wrote:
On 2013-05-06, Tim+ wrote:
Huge wrote:
On 2013-05-06, Tim+ wrote:
Huge wrote:
On 2013-05-06, Tim+
wrote:
Looks like 3D printing has found its killer application.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-22421185

I suppose it was inevitable but I'd rather that terrorists
weren't given any more help than necessary. :-(

Don't be ridiculous. Terrorists aren't going to **** about with
single shot rimfire .22 pistols, when the gun makers of
Peshawar are turning out thousands of AK-47 clones a month.



Which is going to be easier to get on to a plane?

Do people like you really live their lives worrying about such
things? How do you even get out of bed in the morning?



By ignoring ****s like you?

In what way is this "ignoring" me, ****head?



Wow, speedy riposte! I can't tell I am totally outclassed by your
lightning wit. I bow before the new Oscar Wilde.

Hypocrite.

Clearly you don't understand usenet. I am no more under any obligation to
be consistent that you are to be polilte. I *normally* try to be polite and
consistent but when faced with a gratuitously offensive reply to an
inoffensive message I feel fully justified to reply in kind.

Tim

On 07/05/2013 09:15, Nightjar wrote:


According to reports it fires .22 rounds and it appears to have single
use short barrels with thick walls. The bullet should have left the
barrel before there is any serious build up of pressure. However, that
means that, like any very short barrel gun, from SS belt buckle guns to
mobile phone guns, they are unlikely to be effective except at very
close range.

My thought was close range and single-shot, so you'd *really* better not
miss or you'll become your target's target, but it's inaccurate so you
need to be really close to your target. Why not just use a knife?

GB wrote:
On 07/05/2013 09:15, Nightjar wrote:


According to reports it fires .22 rounds and it appears to have single
use short barrels with thick walls. The bullet should have left the
barrel before there is any serious build up of pressure. However, that
means that, like any very short barrel gun, from SS belt buckle guns to
mobile phone guns, they are unlikely to be effective except at very
close range.

My thought was close range and single-shot, so you'd *really* better not
miss or you'll become your target's target, but it's inaccurate so you
need to be really close to your target. Why not just use a knife?

I presume it would still work as an effective threat from beyond knife
range even if accuracy was a bit dodgy.

Tim

On 10/05/2013 12:41, Tim+ wrote:
GB wrote:
On 07/05/2013 09:15, Nightjar wrote:


According to reports it fires .22 rounds and it appears to have single
use short barrels with thick walls. The bullet should have left the
barrel before there is any serious build up of pressure. However, that
means that, like any very short barrel gun, from SS belt buckle guns to
mobile phone guns, they are unlikely to be effective except at very
close range.

My thought was close range and single-shot, so you'd *really* better not
miss or you'll become your target's target, but it's inaccurate so you
need to be really close to your target. Why not just use a knife?

I presume it would still work as an effective threat from beyond knife
range even if accuracy was a bit dodgy.

Tim


Did you not see mythbusters when they did knife vs gun..

It appears that a man with a knife will be able to kill the man with a
gun if they are closer than about 25 feet as it takes too long to draw,
aim and fire.
That doesn't involve throwing the knife.

On Friday, May 10, 2013 2:00:21 PM UTC+1, dennis@home wrote:
On 10/05/2013 12:41, Tim+ wrote:

GB wrote:

On 07/05/2013 09:15, Nightjar wrote:





According to reports it fires .22 rounds and it appears to have single

use short barrels with thick walls. The bullet should have left the

barrel before there is any serious build up of pressure. However, that

means that, like any very short barrel gun, from SS belt buckle guns to

mobile phone guns, they are unlikely to be effective except at very

close range.



My thought was close range and single-shot, so you'd *really* better not

miss or you'll become your target's target, but it's inaccurate so you

need to be really close to your target. Why not just use a knife?



I presume it would still work as an effective threat from beyond knife

range even if accuracy was a bit dodgy.



Tim





Did you not see mythbusters when they did knife vs gun..



It appears that a man with a knife will be able to kill the man with a

gun if they are closer than about 25 feet as it takes too long to draw,

aim and fire.

That doesn't involve throwing the knife.

I wonder why they didn't include taking and the knife and holding it ready in the comparision, the 'test' seems a little one sided to me.

whisky-dave wrote:
On Friday, May 10, 2013 2:00:21 PM UTC+1, dennis@home wrote:
On 10/05/2013 12:41, Tim+ wrote:

GB wrote:

On 07/05/2013 09:15, Nightjar wrote:





According to reports it fires .22 rounds and it appears to have single

use short barrels with thick walls. The bullet should have left the

barrel before there is any serious build up of pressure. However, that

means that, like any very short barrel gun, from SS belt buckle guns to

mobile phone guns, they are unlikely to be effective except at very

close range.



My thought was close range and single-shot, so you'd *really* better not

miss or you'll become your target's target, but it's inaccurate so you

need to be really close to your target. Why not just use a knife?



I presume it would still work as an effective threat from beyond knife

range even if accuracy was a bit dodgy.



Tim





Did you not see mythbusters when they did knife vs gun..



It appears that a man with a knife will be able to kill the man with a

gun if they are closer than about 25 feet as it takes too long to draw,

aim and fire.

That doesn't involve throwing the knife.

I wonder why they didn't include taking and the knife and holding it
ready in the comparision, the 'test' seems a little one sided to me.

And did they include someone who hadn't practiced with a knife versus some
who hadn't practiced with a gun? Most folk couldn't hit a barn door at
that distance with a knife, and certainly not point first with any degree
of certainty.

Tim

Nightjar writes:

On 07/05/2013 08:38, Brian Gaff wrote:
CSI and I suspect other us series have already done this disposable printed
weapon thing, but I still have my doubts it would be safe

According to reports it fires .22 rounds and it appears to
have single use short barrels with thick walls. The bullet
should have left the barrel before there is any serious
build up of pressure. However, that means that, like any
very short barrel gun, from SS belt buckle guns to mobile
phone guns, they are unlikely to be effective except at very
close range.

Sounds ideal for suicide.

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http://www.chaos.org.uk/~jf/Stuff-I-dont-want.html (updated 2012-10-07)