OK, sort of d-i-y related I suppose.

I've just picked up a 12 pack of "New improved" toilet rolls.

They have been making the darn things for the last 100(?) years or so.
How come they are "New improved" haven't they got it right yet??
How do you improve on a toilet roll?

Yes, I'm bored...............

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Bill wrote

OK, sort of d-i-y related I suppose.

I've just picked up a 12 pack of "New improved" toilet rolls.

They have been making the darn things for the last 100(?)
years or so. How come they are "New improved" haven't
they got it right yet?? How do you improve on a toilet roll?

Basically by changing the detail on the wood pulp used to make it.

I've been surprised at how much variation there is
at the specials end of the market on how easy it is
for it to split while you are wiping your arse etc.

Haven't seen the worst of it, that stupid stuff shiny
on one side, for more than half a century now.

Yes, I'm bored...............

You could try doing something dramatic like hanging yourself..............

On 27/02/2013 07:55, Rod Speed wrote:
Bill wrote
OK, sort of d-i-y related I suppose.

I've just picked up a 12 pack of "New improved" toilet rolls.

They have been making the darn things for the last 100(?) years or so.
How come they are "New improved" haven't they got it right yet?? How
do you improve on a toilet roll?

Basically by changing the detail on the wood pulp used to make it.
I've been surprised at how much variation there is at the specials end
of the market on how easy it is for it to split while you are wiping
your arse etc.
Haven't seen the worst of it, that stupid stuff shiny on one side, for
more than half a century now.
Yes, I'm bored...............

You could try doing something dramatic like hanging yourself..............

Blimey, don't jest. I know two people that have done just that. Must be
fashionable or something

In article ,
Bill wrote:
OK, sort of d-i-y related I suppose.

I've just picked up a 12 pack of "New improved" toilet rolls.

They have been making the darn things for the last 100(?) years or so.
How come they are "New improved" haven't they got it right yet??
How do you improve on a toilet roll?

Yes, I'm bored...............

making it a decent width, for a start.

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On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 08:01:02 +0000 (GMT), charles
wrote:

In article ,
Bill wrote:
OK, sort of d-i-y related I suppose.

I've just picked up a 12 pack of "New improved" toilet rolls.

They have been making the darn things for the last 100(?) years or so.
How come they are "New improved" haven't they got it right yet??
How do you improve on a toilet roll?

Yes, I'm bored...............

making it a decent width, for a start.

Make it tear along the perforations.

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"stuart noble" wrote in message
...
On 27/02/2013 07:55, Rod Speed wrote:
Bill wrote
OK, sort of d-i-y related I suppose.

I've just picked up a 12 pack of "New improved" toilet rolls.

They have been making the darn things for the last 100(?) years or so.
How come they are "New improved" haven't they got it right yet?? How
do you improve on a toilet roll?

Basically by changing the detail on the wood pulp used to make it.
I've been surprised at how much variation there is at the specials end
of the market on how easy it is for it to split while you are wiping
your arse etc.
Haven't seen the worst of it, that stupid stuff shiny on one side, for
more than half a century now.
Yes, I'm bored...............

You could try doing something dramatic like hanging
yourself..............

Blimey, don't jest. I know two people that have done just that.

I've always maintained that killing yourself is the best approach for some.

Must be fashionable or something

Always has been, that's why the churches tried to ban it.

On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 08:19:05 +0000, Frank Erskine wrote:

I've just picked up a 12 pack of "New improved" toilet rolls.

making it a decent width, for a start.

Make it tear along the perforations.

And have the perforations always line up.

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On 27/02/2013 08:36, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 08:19:05 +0000, Frank Erskine wrote:

I've just picked up a 12 pack of "New improved" toilet rolls.

making it a decent width, for a start.

Make it tear along the perforations.

And have the perforations always line up.

There is, or was recently, an advert on the TV in which peeps were
interviewed on how they used toilet paper. It seems we are split into
the folders and the scrunchers, it never occurred to me that there was
any other way than I used.

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On 27/02/13 08:36, Dave Liquorice wrote:


And have the perforations always line up.


That's only because someone's carelessly got the plys out of sequence!!

Andy C

On 27/02/2013 08:50, Andy Cap wrote:
On 27/02/13 08:36, Dave Liquorice wrote:


And have the perforations always line up.


That's only because someone's carelessly got the plys out of sequence!!

Andy C

And preventing ply-out-of-sequence malfunctions (obviously most common
upon starting a new roll) * is * something that needs improvement. :-)

Also, note that several changes have recently been taking place to core
sizes. Some are claiming they have reduced the diameter of the core to
save card, reduced volume and shipping costs, etc. Others seem to have
increased core diameters in order to fool you into thinking the roll is
larger.

--
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I posted here about toilet rolls the other day. the recent advert on the
telly about do you scrunch or fold your toilet paper made me wonder quite
where that was leading as they were asking people to tell them.
I also note that we now have ones with like raised areas so the feel
thicker but of course there is less on a roll, and as mentioned elsewhere
here, some with smaller and bigger middles.
What next?
As has also been said, less glue at the start so it tears properly would be
a great innovation. I'm actually surprised they are not selling complete
toilet rolls enclosed in a plastic housing at cheap prices that only fit
that companies rolls and replacement rolls are very expensive.. grin.
Brian

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"Bill" wrote in message
...
OK, sort of d-i-y related I suppose.

I've just picked up a 12 pack of "New improved" toilet rolls.

They have been making the darn things for the last 100(?) years or so.
How come they are "New improved" haven't they got it right yet??
How do you improve on a toilet roll?

Yes, I'm bored...............

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On 27/02/2013 09:18, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 18:55:05 +1100, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



Haven't seen the worst of it, that stupid stuff shiny
on one side, for more than half a century now.

Izal Medicated IIRC. Came in boxes, as well as on a roll. Glossy and
useless on one side, like sandpaper on the other. Popular in public
toilets. Horrible stuff. See http://tinyurl.com/89frgr6

The stuff wasn't ill, so why did they medicate it? :-)

More seriously, what did they use to make it (and its even nastier,
unbranded versions) stink so horribly? You could go into
disgusting-smelling toilets and that smell would make itself known over
everything else. Did it actually kill bacteria, or make you think it did?

--
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They could invent a roll that you don't have to destroy the first few
sheets to get the thing started.
Also what are you supposed to do with one (double ply) sheet. Scrape out
your nails for five minutes afterwards.


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On Wednesday, February 27, 2013 8:19:05 AM UTC, Frank Erskine wrote:

Make it tear along the perforations.


That reminds me of a very old joke, aeroplane, wings kept falling off......

On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 09:18:55 +0000, Chris Hogg wrote:

On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 18:55:05 +1100, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



Haven't seen the worst of it, that stupid stuff shiny
on one side, for more than half a century now.

Izal Medicated IIRC. Came in boxes, as well as on a roll. Glossy and
useless on one side, like sandpaper on the other. Popular in public
toilets. Horrible stuff. See http://tinyurl.com/89frgr6

Made good tracing paper, though ...

"Chris Hogg" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 18:55:05 +1100, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



Haven't seen the worst of it, that stupid stuff shiny
on one side, for more than half a century now.

Izal Medicated IIRC. Came in boxes, as well as on a roll. Glossy and
useless on one side, like sandpaper on the other. Popular in public
toilets. Horrible stuff. See http://tinyurl.com/89frgr6

I'm not sure which I preferred, Izal or torn up sheets of newspaper on a
nail in the outside thunderbox.
And do you remember cutting a 6d Mars bar into pieces for the whole family?
Blimey.

On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 09:23:39 +0000, Brian Gaff wrote:

I posted here about toilet rolls the other day. the recent advert on the
telly about do you scrunch or fold your toilet paper made me wonder
quite where that was leading as they were asking people to tell them.
I also note that we now have ones with like raised areas so the feel
thicker but of course there is less on a roll, and as mentioned
elsewhere here, some with smaller and bigger middles.
What next?
As has also been said, less glue at the start so it tears properly would
be a great innovation. I'm actually surprised they are not selling
complete toilet rolls enclosed in a plastic housing at cheap prices that
only fit that companies rolls and replacement rolls are very expensive..
grin.
Brian

Toilet roll cassettes (a Euro-Roll?) that snap into a decorative holder.
All at twice the price of course.

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On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 09:18:55 +0000, Chris Hogg wrote:

On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 18:55:05 +1100, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



Haven't seen the worst of it, that stupid stuff shiny on one side, for
more than half a century now.

Izal Medicated IIRC. Came in boxes, as well as on a roll. Glossy and
useless on one side, like sandpaper on the other. Popular in public
toilets. Horrible stuff. See http://tinyurl.com/89frgr6

It was all we ever had when I was a child. My mother swore by the stuff.



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On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 09:55:19 +0000, Apellation Controlee wrote:

On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 09:18:55 +0000, Chris Hogg wrote:

On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 18:55:05 +1100, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



Haven't seen the worst of it, that stupid stuff shiny on one side, for
more than half a century now.

Izal Medicated IIRC. Came in boxes, as well as on a roll. Glossy and
useless on one side, like sandpaper on the other. Popular in public
toilets. Horrible stuff. See http://tinyurl.com/89frgr6

Made good tracing paper, though ...

+1.




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On Wednesday 27 February 2013 09:18 Chris Hogg wrote in uk.d-i-y:

On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 18:55:05 +1100, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



Haven't seen the worst of it, that stupid stuff shiny
on one side, for more than half a century now.

Izal Medicated IIRC. Came in boxes, as well as on a roll. Glossy and
useless on one side, like sandpaper on the other. Popular in public
toilets. Horrible stuff. See http://tinyurl.com/89frgr6


We had that at Uni (1986). Could never see the point in something so unfit
for purpose. Hell, the squares of newspaper hanging on a rusty nail in the
dunny in a farmhouse I stayed in in Latvia were more fit for purpose!

Went to view a house for sale in the mid 90's - bloke was an ex PO worker
and the bog roll hanging up had "Property of Post Office" stamped in faint
red ink on every sheet. I wonder why they bothered... I wonder why he
bothered...


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On Wednesday 27 February 2013 09:23 Brian Gaff wrote in uk.d-i-y:

I posted here about toilet rolls the other day. the recent advert on the
telly about do you scrunch or fold your toilet paper made me wonder quite
where that was leading as they were asking people to tell them.
I also note that we now have ones with like raised areas so the feel
thicker but of course there is less on a roll, and as mentioned elsewhere
here, some with smaller and bigger middles.
What next?
As has also been said, less glue at the start so it tears properly would
be a great innovation. I'm actually surprised they are not selling
complete toilet rolls enclosed in a plastic housing at cheap prices that
only fit that companies rolls and replacement rolls are very expensive..
grin.
Brian


Work has some nice ones - small rolls, perhaps 50% larger diameter than
domestic rolls, in a holder that holds one active and one spare. Just the
right consistency, thin but strong - seems that a roll lasts forver.

The work ones I hate are those stupid ones that take a stack of individual
square soft weak tissues in a plastic holder. You need such a wodge to
ensure continuity and strength if dealing with a fudgy one - totally
inefficient and slow. And no, a single sheet will not work except in the
case of casting an ingot of the wipeless variety...


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charles wrote:

making it a decent width, for a start.

In the Infants we watched in wonderment as several huge rolls of white
paper were delivered. It was 'newsprint', used a lot in schools at the
time because it was cheap. Trusted kids were given the job of
guillotining it into page size. But I digress. The headmistress was an
immense lady, and the most immense thing about her was her backside. We
speculated that it was special toilet paper for her.

I should add that at the time we cheerfully chanted 'Harold be they
name', assuming it was a peon to Mr Macmillan, the PM of the time.

Bill

Tim Watts wrote:

Went to view a house for sale in the mid 90's - bloke was an ex PO worker
and the bog roll hanging up had "Property of Post Office" stamped in faint
red ink on every sheet. I wonder why they bothered... I wonder why he
bothered...

I had cause to go into the storeroom of a house occupied by a gentleman
in his 90s who had, he told me, worked as a motor mechanic at a main
dealership. The storeroom was almost full, and I mean almost full, of
cans of engine oil.
"You don't need to change your oil so often these days," he lamented.
"And I haven't got a car now anyway."

Bill

In message ,
Broadland Wanderer writes
On Wednesday, February 27, 2013 8:19:05 AM UTC, Frank Erskine wrote:

Make it tear along the perforations.


That reminds me of a very old joke, aeroplane, wings kept falling off......

Me too:-)

First heard at the firm's annual dinner and dance around 1965.

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In article ,
Chris Hogg wrote:

Haven't seen the worst of it, that stupid stuff shiny
on one side, for more than half a century now.

Izal Medicated IIRC. Came in boxes, as well as on a roll. Glossy and
useless on one side, like sandpaper on the other. Popular in public
toilets. Horrible stuff. See http://tinyurl.com/89frgr6

My Dad always bought Bronco -- same sort of stuff -- awful!! One of the
reasons I was glad to leave home! Great name for toilet paper though!

J.

On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 10:08:06 +0000, Tim Watts wrote:

On Wednesday 27 February 2013 09:18 Chris Hogg wrote in uk.d-i-y:

On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 18:55:05 +1100, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



Haven't seen the worst of it, that stupid stuff shiny on one side, for
more than half a century now.

Izal Medicated IIRC. Came in boxes, as well as on a roll. Glossy and
useless on one side, like sandpaper on the other. Popular in public
toilets. Horrible stuff. See http://tinyurl.com/89frgr6


We had that at Uni (1986). Could never see the point in something so
unfit for purpose. Hell, the squares of newspaper hanging on a rusty
nail in the dunny in a farmhouse I stayed in in Latvia were more fit for
purpose!

Went to view a house for sale in the mid 90's - bloke was an ex PO
worker and the bog roll hanging up had "Property of Post Office" stamped
in faint red ink on every sheet. I wonder why they bothered... I wonder
why he bothered...

I remember going on courses at Deal Barracks many years ago. All the
paper had 'Government Property' stamped on it.


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In message , Chris Hogg
writes
On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 18:55:05 +1100, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



Haven't seen the worst of it, that stupid stuff shiny
on one side, for more than half a century now.

Izal Medicated IIRC. Came in boxes, as well as on a roll. Glossy and
useless on one side, like sandpaper on the other. Popular in public
toilets. Horrible stuff. See http://tinyurl.com/89frgr6

Maybe they could laminate the old Izal (semi-waterproof) with the modern
cushion comfort so you don't poke a finger through?

Also, I guess the short sheet length allows the option of 1,2 or 3
sheets.


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In article ,
polygonum wrote:

And preventing ply-out-of-sequence malfunctions (obviously most common
upon starting a new roll) * is * something that needs improvement. :-)

(In case you don't know) that's cured by taking the upper ply and
unwinding it for one revolution: the two plys will then match up.

J.

In article ,
stuart noble wrote:

You could try doing something dramatic like hanging yourself..............

Blimey, don't jest. I know two people that have done just that. Must be
fashionable or something

Knew.

In article ,
Broadback wrote:

There is, or was recently, an advert on the TV in which peeps were
interviewed on how they used toilet paper. It seems we are split into
the folders and the scrunchers, ...

At first I couldn't comprehend this. Then I remembered: in the Good Old
Days of Izal and Bronco, you *had* to scrunch the sheets, in order to
make them "take" the - er - stuff off your bum.

God: what a long way we've come! Hoorah!

John

In article ,
Apellation Controlee wrote:

Izal Medicated IIRC.
Made good tracing paper, though ...

Yay!! I'd forgotten that! Then you rub the pencil all over the back
of your tracing, then go over it again on a blank sheet .... who needs
photocopiers?

On 27/02/2013 10:45, Another John wrote:
In article ,
polygonum wrote:

And preventing ply-out-of-sequence malfunctions (obviously most common
upon starting a new roll) * is * something that needs improvement. :-)

(In case you don't know) that's cured by taking the upper ply and
unwinding it for one revolution: the two plys will then match up.

J.

Yes - indeed. That would always work.

By the way (and this is not mean to get at you, John, but yours happened
to be a post which demonstrated the issue) - is there a universal move
towards making plurals of words ending in "-y" simply "-ys" rather than
the traditional change to "-ies"? And any other word-ending-changes such
as verbs. I ply, he/she/it plys, ...

It seems to be very common.

I remember coming across this in 1970/80s computerised things where this
was done in constructing limited vocabulary systems to make searching
possible or more efficient. But that was very limited.

--
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On Wednesday, February 27, 2013 9:55:19 AM UTC, Apellation Controlee wrote:
On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 09:18:55 +0000, Chris Hogg wrote:



On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 18:55:05 +1100, "Rod Speed"

wrote:







Haven't seen the worst of it, that stupid stuff shiny

on one side, for more than half a century now.



Izal Medicated IIRC. Came in boxes, as well as on a roll. Glossy and

useless on one side, like sandpaper on the other. Popular in public

toilets. Horrible stuff. See http://tinyurl.com/89frgr6



Made good tracing paper, though ...

I remember using it with a comb to make a sort of home built harmonica.....

But what I want now is toilet paper with polititions[1] faces on, so I can really enjoy wiping my arse.

[1] and others.

In article
,
Another John wrote:
In article ,
Chris Hogg wrote:

Haven't seen the worst of it, that stupid stuff shiny
on one side, for more than half a century now.

Izal Medicated IIRC. Came in boxes, as well as on a roll. Glossy and
useless on one side, like sandpaper on the other. Popular in public
toilets. Horrible stuff. See http://tinyurl.com/89frgr6

My Dad always bought Bronco -- same sort of stuff -- awful!! One of the
reasons I was glad to leave home! Great name for toilet paper though!

when I first went to work at the BBc (in the early 60s) it was overprinted
"Property of the BBC". Some years later there was great fuss at Research
Dept when someone found out that the "Ladies" had soft paper. He claimed
sex-discrimination.

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whisky-dave wrote:

But what I want now is toilet paper with polititions[1] faces on, so I
can really enjoy wiping my arse.

[1] and others.

No politicians but it's amazing what you can find on't web (at a price).
http://www.shinyshack.com/category.p...velty-Loo-Roll

On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 08:50:04 +0000, Broadback
wrote:

On 27/02/2013 08:36, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 08:19:05 +0000, Frank Erskine wrote:

I've just picked up a 12 pack of "New improved" toilet rolls.

making it a decent width, for a start.

Make it tear along the perforations.

And have the perforations always line up.

There is, or was recently, an advert on the TV in which peeps were
interviewed on how they used toilet paper. It seems we are split into
the folders and the scrunchers, it never occurred to me that there was
any other way than I used.

I one filled in a questionnaire that wanted to which way round I hung
the roll.

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On 27/02/2013 10:03, brass monkey wrote:
"Chris Hogg" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 18:55:05 +1100, "Rod Speed"
wrote:


Haven't seen the worst of it, that stupid stuff shiny
on one side, for more than half a century now.
Izal Medicated IIRC. Came in boxes, as well as on a roll. Glossy and
useless on one side, like sandpaper on the other. Popular in public
toilets. Horrible stuff. See http://tinyurl.com/89frgr6
I'm not sure which I preferred, Izal or torn up sheets of newspaper on a
nail in the outside thunderbox.
And do you remember cutting a 6d Mars bar into pieces for the whole family?
Blimey.


My mum did do that to Mars bars

On Feb 27, 10:03*am, "brass monkey" wrote:

I'm not sure which I preferred, Izal or torn up sheets of newspaper on a
nail in the outside thunderbox.
And do you remember cutting a 6d Mars bar into pieces for the whole family?
Blimey.

We stil do that, but they cost a bit more these days. Bet my kids are
healthier and last a lot longer than those that get a whole bar every
time.

MBQ

On Feb 27, 10:59*am, polygonum wrote:
On 27/02/2013 10:45, Another John wrote: In article ,
* polygonum wrote:

And preventing ply-out-of-sequence malfunctions (obviously most common
upon starting a new roll) * is * something that needs improvement. :-)

(In case you don't know) that's cured by taking the upper ply and
unwinding it for one revolution: the two plys will then match up.

J.

Yes - indeed. That would always work.

Except when it doesn't due to manufacturing isues. Usually on the
cheaper stuff.

MBQ

On 27/02/2013 12:52, Man at B&Q wrote:
On Feb 27, 10:59 am, polygonum wrote:
On 27/02/2013 10:45, Another John wrote: In article ,
polygonum wrote:

And preventing ply-out-of-sequence malfunctions (obviously most common
upon starting a new roll) * is * something that needs improvement. :-)

(In case you don't know) that's cured by taking the upper ply and
unwinding it for one revolution: the two plys will then match up.

J.

Yes - indeed. That would always work.

Except when it doesn't due to manufacturing isues. Usually on the
cheaper stuff.

MBQ

Yes - but in terms of the logic, it would always work - though if the
damned stuff tears to ribbons it can be difficult to see where an end is!

--
Rod