As subject, I'm short of hdmi inputs and wifey would be banjaxed with a
switcher.
..

Surely, in theory at least Scartifying it would effectively put you back to
sd surely?

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"brass monkey" wrote in message
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As subject, I'm short of hdmi inputs and wifey would be banjaxed with a
switcher.
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"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
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Surely, in theory at least Scartifying it would effectively put you back
to sd surely?

Actually no, the pic quality is far better than sd, even with scart, hence
my question.

"brass monkey" wrote:
"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
...
Surely, in theory at least Scartifying it would effectively put you back
to sd surely?

Actually no, the pic quality is far better than sd, even with scart, hence
my question.

It may be good, but it won't be true HD via a scart. Only you can decide
whether it's "good enough".

Tim

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"brass monkey" wrote:
"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
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Surely, in theory at least Scartifying it would effectively put you back
to sd surely?

Actually no, the pic quality is far better than sd, even with scart, hence
my question.

It may be good, but it won't be true HD via a scart. Only you can decide
whether it's "good enough".

I have the opposite problem... the combined Christmas/birthday present
(LCD tv) only has hdmi inputs. There is a concessionary single scart
converter supplied for those of us with archaic PVR or DVD players.

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brass monkey wrote:
As subject, I'm short of hdmi inputs and wifey would be banjaxed with a
switcher.

Well, yes. SCART won't do HD.

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On Friday, January 25, 2013 10:10:24 AM UTC, Tim Lamb wrote:
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"brass monkey" wrote:

"Brian Gaff" wrote in message

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Surely, in theory at least Scartifying it would effectively put you back

to sd surely?



Actually no, the pic quality is far better than sd, even with scart, hence

my question.



It may be good, but it won't be true HD via a scart. Only you can decide

whether it's "good enough".



I have the opposite problem... the combined Christmas/birthday present

(LCD tv) only has hdmi inputs. There is a concessionary single scart

converter supplied for those of us with archaic PVR or DVD players.



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My TV has HDMI and SCART my PVR has HDMI and SCART if I connect it by HDMI then the auto switch of the TV to the PVR that works with SCART when I power on the PVR does not work so I stick with SCART.

In article ,
curious wrote:

My TV has HDMI and SCART my PVR has HDMI and SCART if I connect it by
HDMI then the auto switch of the TV to the PVR that works with SCART
when I power on the PVR does not work so I stick with SCART.

Which could mean the TV comes on in the middle of the night when the PVR
does what it does then.

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On Friday, January 25, 2013 11:09:44 AM UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
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curious wrote:



My TV has HDMI and SCART my PVR has HDMI and SCART if I connect it by

HDMI then the auto switch of the TV to the PVR that works with SCART

when I power on the PVR does not work so I stick with SCART.



Which could mean the TV comes on in the middle of the night when the PVR

does what it does then.



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no If I am watching the TV and power on the PVR from standby if connected by SCART the TV switches to the PVR but if connected by HDMI it doesn't. If the TV is in standby and I power up the PVR from standby the TV stays in standby.

On 25/01/2013 01:25, brass monkey wrote:
"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
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Surely, in theory at least Scartifying it would effectively put you back
to sd surely?

Actually no, the pic quality is far better than sd, even with scart, hence
my question.




That would indicate..

the TV is cr@p
the sky is broken or set to the wrong output
you don't have any HD channels
you need to look up specsavers.

On Friday, January 25, 2013 1:17:00 PM UTC, dennis@home wrote:
On 25/01/2013 01:25, brass monkey wrote:

"Brian Gaff" wrote in message

...

Surely, in theory at least Scartifying it would effectively put you back

to sd surely?



Actually no, the pic quality is far better than sd, even with scart, hence

my question.









That would indicate..



the TV is cr@p

the sky is broken or set to the wrong output

you don't have any HD channels

you need to look up specsavers.

Is it something to do with SCART having a control signal wire where HDMI doesn't

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On 25/01/2013 01:25, brass monkey wrote:
"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
...
Surely, in theory at least Scartifying it would effectively put you back
to sd surely?

Actually no, the pic quality is far better than sd, even with scart,
hence
my question.




That would indicate..

the TV is cr@p
the sky is broken or set to the wrong output
you don't have any HD channels
you need to look up specsavers.

Thanks for all the help, Dennis.
TV is a 42" Panny plasma so prolly crap.
The Sky+ HD box is brand new so prolly crap.
I pay for HD channels so prolly don't get them.
My eyes are fine, though.

On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 00:25:47 +0000, brass monkey wrote:

As subject, I'm short of hdmi inputs and wifey would be banjaxed with a
switcher.
.

IIRC any box which supports HD is prevented from outputting HD quality
over SCART because SCART doesn't support Digital Rights Management whereas
HDMI does.

Could just be a rumour, though.

Oh, and I have a 42" Panasonic Plasma and I have a lot of difficulty
telling the difference between SD and HD output because I sit far enough
away from the TV for the differences to not be easily discernible.

If I step up closer to the screen then I can see more individual detail on
HD but when sitting well back there really isn't that much difference to
see.

In the sheds they have big TVs alongside narrow aisles so you are far
closer to the TVs than you would be in your own home, so the difference in
detail is far more obvious.

Cheers

Dave R

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"brass monkey" wrote in message
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switcher.
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As may have already been pointed out, HDMI is digital
whereas Scart is analogue. So a HDMI connector will feed the
digital bits direct from Sky feed straight through to the
TV, cutting out the middle man. For the Scart presumably the
sky box will convert the digital feed to analogue, the
analogue will go down the cable and the TV will reconvert
this back to the digital
In theory this conversion and re-conversion should
have at least some impact on picture quality. Although
whether its actually noticeable may depend on the
individual viewer.


michael adams

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On Jan 25, 2:27*pm, "David.WE.Roberts" wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 00:25:47 +0000, brass monkey wrote:
As subject, I'm short of hdmi inputs and wifey would be banjaxed with a
switcher.
.

IIRC any box which supports HD is prevented from outputting HD quality
over SCART because SCART doesn't support Digital Rights Management whereas
HDMI does.

Could just be a rumour, though.


It's lost a bit in the telling. SCART is analogue and cannot do HD in
any case, so no restriction.

The restriction is for *digital* streams, which must be lower
resolution if not protected by DRM.

Or something like that...

MBQ

In article ,
michael adams wrote:
For the Scart presumably the
sky box will convert the digital feed to analogue, the
analogue will go down the cable and the TV will reconvert
this back to the digital

You're saying a display is basically a digital device?

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On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 01:25:16 -0000, "brass monkey" wrote:

Actually no, the pic quality is far better than sd, even with scart,

Are you now comparing scart RGB with an old skybox which might have
been set to scart composite? The difference there is noticeable, never
mind being on an HD set.

curious wrote:
My TV has HDMI and SCART my PVR has HDMI and SCART if I connect it by
HDMI then the auto switch of the TV to the PVR that works with SCART
when I power on the PVR does not work so I stick with SCART.

Do you swap plugs when you want to watch recorded HD then (or is your PVR
non-HD)?

Tim

On 25/01/2013 14:05, brass monkey wrote:

My eyes are fine, though.


Size of TV, quality of scaler, viewing distance and various settings
aside, if you genuinely cannot see the difference between an HD channel
(at least one that is actually broadcasting HD content) @1080i and Scart
at 576/480 are you quite sure about that?

On 25/01/2013 14:05, brass monkey wrote:

"dennis@home" wrote in message
eb.com...
On 25/01/2013 01:25, brass monkey wrote:
"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
...
Surely, in theory at least Scartifying it would effectively put you back
to sd surely?

Actually no, the pic quality is far better than sd, even with scart,
hence
my question.




That would indicate..

the TV is cr@p
the sky is broken or set to the wrong output
you don't have any HD channels
you need to look up specsavers.

Thanks for all the help, Dennis.
TV is a 42" Panny plasma so prolly crap.

If its more than about 2-3 years old it probably doesn't do proper 1080p
which you need for HD.

The Sky+ HD box is brand new so prolly crap.
I pay for HD channels so prolly don't get them.

You can select the HD output and you may have set it to SD in error.

My eyes are fine, though.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
michael adams wrote:
For the Scart presumably the
sky box will convert the digital feed to analogue, the
analogue will go down the cable and the TV will reconvert
this back to the digital

You're saying a display is basically a digital device?


Are you talking about digital TV's and monitors ?

Is that a trick question ?




michael adams

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"Lee" wrote in message
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On 25/01/2013 14:05, brass monkey wrote:

My eyes are fine, though.


Size of TV, quality of scaler, viewing distance and various settings
aside, if you genuinely cannot see the difference between an HD channel
(at least one that is actually broadcasting HD content) @1080i and Scart
at 576/480 are you quite sure about that?

I have a Humax HD box into a TV HDMI, I also have a Sky+ HD box into a TV
SCART (same TV).
Switching between them there is precious little difference. OK, the SCART is
marginally worse, both are obviously HD pictures.
Then again, a good SD transmission often produces a better picture than a
crap HD one.
E.g, if you watch a M&S advert in good SD it's damn good.

On 25/01/2013 13:42, curious wrote:


Is it something to do with SCART having a control signal wire where HDMI doesn't


HDMI has a lot of control.
However what each connected device can do depends on the devices software.

For instance on mine the HDMI can control the TV, SKY, DVD. But it won't
switch the TV and AMP to the SKY automatically while it will do so for
the DVD. This is probably a bug in the SKY box.

On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 15:19:53 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
michael adams wrote:
For the Scart presumably the
sky box will convert the digital feed to analogue, the analogue will go
down the cable and the TV will reconvert this back to the digital

You're saying a display is basically a digital device?

Well, it exists in two states, on or off. When it's off, the picture
quality is awful. ;-)

On 25/01/2013 18:55, brass monkey wrote:

Then again, a good SD transmission often produces a better picture than a
crap HD one.
E.g, if you watch a M&S advert in good SD it's damn good.



That's a fair enough point, just because it's an "HD" channel doesn't
mean it's always broadcasting decent quality HD material. A lot of the
time it's (sometimes quite badly) upscaled SD material.

At the other end of the scale, SkyNewsHD has obviously been
uber-processed to prove a point...

Lee

On 25/01/2013 19:05, dennis@home wrote:

For instance on mine the HDMI can control the TV, SKY, DVD. But it won't
switch the TV and AMP to the SKY automatically while it will do so for
the DVD. This is probably a bug in the SKY box.



From what I've read it seems to be a deliberate decision, as is the
refusal to set the 3D flag.

On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 15:19:53 -0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
michael adams wrote:
For the Scart presumably the
sky box will convert the digital feed to analogue, the
analogue will go down the cable and the TV will reconvert
this back to the digital

You're saying a display is basically a digital device?

An LCD one is, is it not?

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On 31/01/2013 15:33, Major Scott wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 15:19:53 -0000, Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:

In article ,
michael adams wrote:
For the Scart presumably the
sky box will convert the digital feed to analogue, the
analogue will go down the cable and the TV will reconvert
this back to the digital

You're saying a display is basically a digital device?

An LCD one is, is it not?


They all are, photons are discrete.

On Thu, 31 Jan 2013 17:25:33 -0000, dennis@home wrote:

On 31/01/2013 15:33, Major Scott wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 15:19:53 -0000, Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:

In article ,
michael adams wrote:
For the Scart presumably the
sky box will convert the digital feed to analogue, the
analogue will go down the cable and the TV will reconvert
this back to the digital

You're saying a display is basically a digital device?

An LCD one is, is it not?

They all are, photons are discrete.

I meant as opposed to CRTs, which in your pedantic opinion would self-digitize.

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