We have to get some new architrave, and would like to match the existing
architrave (possibly from the 1930s).

Nothing available in sheds or builders merchants matches - it is just a
simple angled profile about 15mm thick, 60mm wide in total, and starts to
taper about 18mm in from the thick edge down to about 4mm on the thin edge.

I need about 36m of this.

My options seem to be:
(1) Pay someone to make the profile for me
(2) Use a router (table?) to put an angle on a standard piece of wood
(3) Get some other wood working tool to produce a simialr profile.

If I could get a table saw that would lean over that far then this could in
theory cut the wood.

I will probably pay for it to be done by somone who already has the tools,
but I would like to be able to price buying the kit to do it myself.

Suggestions please.

Dave R
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On 13/11/2012 10:07, David WE Roberts wrote:
We have to get some new architrave, and would like to match the existing
architrave (possibly from the 1930s).

Nothing available in sheds or builders merchants matches - it is just a
simple angled profile about 15mm thick, 60mm wide in total, and starts
to taper about 18mm in from the thick edge down to about 4mm on the thin
edge.

I need about 36m of this.

My options seem to be:
(1) Pay someone to make the profile for me
(2) Use a router (table?) to put an angle on a standard piece of wood
(3) Get some other wood working tool to produce a simialr profile.

If I could get a table saw that would lean over that far then this could
in theory cut the wood.

I will probably pay for it to be done by somone who already has the
tools, but I would like to be able to price buying the kit to do it myself.

Suggestions please.

Dave R
Have you tried a Google search for 'Period Architrave'? Lots of people
sell a range of old designs. You might find something of the shelf.

On 13/11/2012 10:07, David WE Roberts wrote:
We have to get some new architrave, and would like to match the existing
architrave (possibly from the 1930s).

Nothing available in sheds or builders merchants matches - it is just a
simple angled profile about 15mm thick, 60mm wide in total, and starts
to taper about 18mm in from the thick edge down to about 4mm on the thin
edge.

I need about 36m of this.

My options seem to be:
(1) Pay someone to make the profile for me
(2) Use a router (table?) to put an angle on a standard piece of wood
(3) Get some other wood working tool to produce a simialr profile.

If I could get a table saw that would lean over that far then this could
in theory cut the wood.

I will probably pay for it to be done by somone who already has the
tools, but I would like to be able to price buying the kit to do it myself.

Suggestions please.

Dave R

Have you checked the pukka timber merchants? People like Travis Perkins
and Jewsons have a big range of mouldings, and this one doesn't sound
too complicated or unusual.
I did something similar with a planer but that was just for a foot or
so. I set up a jig so that the edges of the planer base followed a set
level and angle, but I wouldn't fancy doing 36m that way.
IME whatever you use won't notice as long as it's 60mm wide

On 13/11/2012 10:21, Andrew May wrote:
On 13/11/2012 10:07, David WE Roberts wrote:
We have to get some new architrave, and would like to match the existing
architrave (possibly from the 1930s).

Nothing available in sheds or builders merchants matches - it is just a
simple angled profile about 15mm thick, 60mm wide in total, and starts
to taper about 18mm in from the thick edge down to about 4mm on the thin
edge.

I need about 36m of this.

My options seem to be:
(1) Pay someone to make the profile for me
(2) Use a router (table?) to put an angle on a standard piece of wood
(3) Get some other wood working tool to produce a simialr profile.

If I could get a table saw that would lean over that far then this could
in theory cut the wood.

I will probably pay for it to be done by somone who already has the
tools, but I would like to be able to price buying the kit to do it
myself.

Suggestions please.

This lot might have something close enough.

http://www.skirtingboardsdirect.com/...9&sub_cat=1453

Where I got my close enough to be fiddled Visctorian skirting boards from.

Dave R
Have you tried a Google search for 'Period Architrave'? Lots of people
sell a range of old designs. You might find something of the shelf.

How about Dado rails? I have a complex Victorian profile I would like to
match. I only need about 5m and the setup costs for professional
machining are exhorbitant (approx 100mm x 26mm). An ASCII art version
follows.
____
_ / \O¬
( )v \O¬

One of the \O¬ steps is convex and the other concave. I have looked
pretty hard and it looks like I have to go bespoke. I did manage to make
up bought modern "Victorian" skirting board with cladding and half round
dowel to match the originals close enough to pass muster. But this dado
rail stuff has so far defeated me to match.

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On 13/11/2012 10:07, David WE Roberts wrote:
We have to get some new architrave, and would like to match the existing
architrave (possibly from the 1930s).

Nothing available in sheds or builders merchants matches - it is just a
simple angled profile about 15mm thick, 60mm wide in total, and starts
to taper about 18mm in from the thick edge down to about 4mm on the thin
edge.

I need about 36m of this.

My options seem to be:
(1) Pay someone to make the profile for me
(2) Use a router (table?) to put an angle on a standard piece of wood
(3) Get some other wood working tool to produce a simialr profile.

If I could get a table saw that would lean over that far then this could
in theory cut the wood.

I will probably pay for it to be done by somone who already has the
tools, but I would like to be able to price buying the kit to do it
myself.

Suggestions please.

Dave R

Have you checked the pukka timber merchants? People like Travis Perkins
and Jewsons have a big range of mouldings, and this one doesn't sound too
complicated or unusual.
I did something similar with a planer but that was just for a foot or so.
I set up a jig so that the edges of the planer base followed a set level
and angle, but I wouldn't fancy doing 36m that way.
IME whatever you use won't notice as long as it's 60mm wide

Travis Perkins are my best mates at the moment.
Jewsons have also been asked, as have Ridgeons.
Can't seem to locate anyone who does this.

I thought about a template for a planer but as you say 36m is a lot of wood.

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"Andrew May" wrote in message
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On 13/11/2012 10:07, David WE Roberts wrote:
We have to get some new architrave, and would like to match the existing
architrave (possibly from the 1930s).

Nothing available in sheds or builders merchants matches - it is just a
simple angled profile about 15mm thick, 60mm wide in total, and starts
to taper about 18mm in from the thick edge down to about 4mm on the thin
edge.

I need about 36m of this.

My options seem to be:
(1) Pay someone to make the profile for me
(2) Use a router (table?) to put an angle on a standard piece of wood
(3) Get some other wood working tool to produce a simialr profile.

If I could get a table saw that would lean over that far then this could
in theory cut the wood.

I will probably pay for it to be done by somone who already has the
tools, but I would like to be able to price buying the kit to do it
myself.

Suggestions please.

Dave R
Have you tried a Google search for 'Period Architrave'? Lots of people
sell a range of old designs. You might find something of the shelf.

Thanks - just trying that now.
From the first site I see that 'chamfered' is one of the standard profiles.
The period ones all seem to be fancy twiddles and twirls.

However the chamfer on the profile is minimal - barely clips the corner.
I need a chamfer over about 65% of the width.

Still, I now have a new search term.

Cheers

Dave R
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"Martin Brown" wrote in message
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On 13/11/2012 10:21, Andrew May wrote:
On 13/11/2012 10:07, David WE Roberts wrote:
We have to get some new architrave, and would like to match the existing
architrave (possibly from the 1930s).

Nothing available in sheds or builders merchants matches - it is just a
simple angled profile about 15mm thick, 60mm wide in total, and starts
to taper about 18mm in from the thick edge down to about 4mm on the thin
edge.

I need about 36m of this.

My options seem to be:
(1) Pay someone to make the profile for me
(2) Use a router (table?) to put an angle on a standard piece of wood
(3) Get some other wood working tool to produce a simialr profile.

If I could get a table saw that would lean over that far then this could
in theory cut the wood.

I will probably pay for it to be done by somone who already has the
tools, but I would like to be able to price buying the kit to do it
myself.

Suggestions please.

This lot might have something close enough.

http://www.skirtingboardsdirect.com/...9&sub_cat=1453

snip

Much the closest so far but still not a match - ours is a very wide chamfer.

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On 13/11/2012 10:07, David WE Roberts wrote:
We have to get some new architrave, and would like to match the existing
architrave (possibly from the 1930s).

Nothing available in sheds or builders merchants matches - it is just a
simple angled profile about 15mm thick, 60mm wide in total, and starts
to taper about 18mm in from the thick edge down to about 4mm on the thin
edge.

I need about 36m of this.

My options seem to be:
(1) Pay someone to make the profile for me
(2) Use a router (table?) to put an angle on a standard piece of wood
(3) Get some other wood working tool to produce a simialr profile.

If I could get a table saw that would lean over that far then this could
in theory cut the wood.

This sounds like something trivial to make on a table saw...

Whereabouts in the country are you? (You are more than welcome to use
mine...)

I will probably pay for it to be done by somone who already has the
tools, but I would like to be able to price buying the kit to do it myself.

I would expect a fair number of timber merchants would have the ability
to cut such a profile. If you are prepared to take it sawn rather than
planed (i.e. smooth it yourself) - then anyone with a table saw or
bandsaw could do it. 36m is only 6 lengths of 3m, so less than 10 mins
work all in.

Thinking about it, you could even do it with a hand held circular saw. A
7.5" one will have the depth of cut. Slap all your bits of timber side
by side to make them wider. Use the rip fence and set the blade to the
required angle. Profile the rightmost strip, then move it to the left of
the bundle and do the next rightmost. Repeat til done, and finish with a
quick lick on a planer.


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On 13/11/2012 10:45, David WE Roberts wrote:

However the chamfer on the profile is minimal - barely clips the corner.
I need a chamfer over about 65% of the width.

How about a taller one with a suitable sized chamfer and rip it down
with a circular saw?

On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:07:22 -0000, David WE Roberts wrote:

Nothing available in sheds or builders merchants matches - it is just a
simple angled profile about 15mm thick, 60mm wide in total, and starts
to taper about 18mm in from the thick edge down to about 4mm on the
thin edge.

I am surprised that you can't get that or some thing very similar from a
merchants. Says him with skirtings like that around the walls of this
room. There is plenty of chamfered stuff about on the web but I do note a
lot is rounded on the narrow edge.

Might have to buy something wider overall maybe 100mm but with a 40mm
wide chamfer and rip it down. Possibly twice if the chamfer is too wide?

I don't think a circular saw will really leave a good enough chamfer
surface for painting. It needs a spindle moulder or planer to do that
IMHO.

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Dave.

"John Rumm" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 13/11/2012 10:07, David WE Roberts wrote:
We have to get some new architrave, and would like to match the existing
architrave (possibly from the 1930s).

Nothing available in sheds or builders merchants matches - it is just a
simple angled profile about 15mm thick, 60mm wide in total, and starts
to taper about 18mm in from the thick edge down to about 4mm on the thin
edge.

I need about 36m of this.

My options seem to be:
(1) Pay someone to make the profile for me
(2) Use a router (table?) to put an angle on a standard piece of wood
(3) Get some other wood working tool to produce a simialr profile.

If I could get a table saw that would lean over that far then this could
in theory cut the wood.

This sounds like something trivial to make on a table saw...

Whereabouts in the country are you? (You are more than welcome to use
mine...)

I will probably pay for it to be done by somone who already has the
tools, but I would like to be able to price buying the kit to do it
myself.

I would expect a fair number of timber merchants would have the ability to
cut such a profile. If you are prepared to take it sawn rather than planed
(i.e. smooth it yourself) - then anyone with a table saw or bandsaw could
do it. 36m is only 6 lengths of 3m, so less than 10 mins work all in.

Thinking about it, you could even do it with a hand held circular saw. A
7.5" one will have the depth of cut. Slap all your bits of timber side by
side to make them wider. Use the rip fence and set the blade to the
required angle. Profile the rightmost strip, then move it to the left of
the bundle and do the next rightmost. Repeat til done, and finish with a
quick lick on a planer.


I live in sunny Felixstowe, Suffolk
[Harwich for the Continent, Felixstowe for the incontinent.]

Thanks - yes it doesn't seem that tricky but most builders merchants used to
be able to do this but now they have ripped out all the woodworking
equipment allegedly due to H&S and training issues.

Waiting for the guy to come round and tell me how much.

Cheers

Dave R
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"Andrew May" wrote in message
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On 13/11/2012 10:45, David WE Roberts wrote:

However the chamfer on the profile is minimal - barely clips the corner.
I need a chamfer over about 65% of the width.

How about a taller one with a suitable sized chamfer and rip it down with
a circular saw?


Yes - if I can get a wider strip it is easy to cut back nearly to the start
of the chamfer.
90mm is an option (architrave seems to come in 60mm or 90mm) as long as the
chamfer starts about 50% across the wood/MDF.

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"David WE Roberts" wrote in message
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We have to get some new architrave, and would like to match the existing
architrave (possibly from the 1930s).

....snip...

We have a real timber merchants nearby (Enfield, N. London) and they've
managed to reproduce stuff for me in the past. Admittedly it wasn't too
complex (a 1930s picture rail) but I'd certainly give them a go it I had
your requirements.

Paul DS.

"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message
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On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:07:22 -0000, David WE Roberts wrote:

Nothing available in sheds or builders merchants matches - it is just a
simple angled profile about 15mm thick, 60mm wide in total, and starts
to taper about 18mm in from the thick edge down to about 4mm on the
thin edge.

I am surprised that you can't get that or some thing very similar from a
merchants. Says him with skirtings like that around the walls of this
room. There is plenty of chamfered stuff about on the web but I do note a
lot is rounded on the narrow edge.

Might have to buy something wider overall maybe 100mm but with a 40mm
wide chamfer and rip it down. Possibly twice if the chamfer is too wide?

I don't think a circular saw will really leave a good enough chamfer
surface for painting. It needs a spindle moulder or planer to do that
IMHO.


Guy has just been round.
Said he would normally use a moulder but for such a simple job he would
probably use a surfacer at an angle.
Came across as an old style woodworker - no fuss and competent.
In and out in about 5 minutes and took away a sample with all the details
written on the back in pencil :-)

Waiting for the price.

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On 13/11/2012 19:12, Roger Mills wrote:
On 13/11/2012 11:26, John Rumm wrote:

36m is only 6 lengths of 3m,

Pardon?

well half way there ;-)

(I was of course implying you get wider stock, profile both edges and
then rip it down the middle.... honest!)

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On 13/11/2012 15:40, David WE Roberts wrote:

"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message
ll.co.uk...
On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:07:22 -0000, David WE Roberts wrote:

Nothing available in sheds or builders merchants matches - it is just a
simple angled profile about 15mm thick, 60mm wide in total, and starts
to taper about 18mm in from the thick edge down to about 4mm on the
thin edge.

I am surprised that you can't get that or some thing very similar from a
merchants. Says him with skirtings like that around the walls of this
room. There is plenty of chamfered stuff about on the web but I do note a
lot is rounded on the narrow edge.

Might have to buy something wider overall maybe 100mm but with a 40mm
wide chamfer and rip it down. Possibly twice if the chamfer is too wide?

I don't think a circular saw will really leave a good enough chamfer
surface for painting. It needs a spindle moulder or planer to do that
IMHO.


Guy has just been round.
Said he would normally use a moulder but for such a simple job he would
probably use a surfacer at an angle.
Came across as an old style woodworker - no fuss and competent.
In and out in about 5 minutes and took away a sample with all the
details written on the back in pencil :-)

Waiting for the price.

Sounds like you've solved it now but (I would have said) my timber
merchant has a whole range of sample profiles they have cutters set up
for and will make up new cutters to pattern, although your profile
sounds much simpler than most of theirs.
I had a room's worth of skirting (about 20m) cut in the summer. Cost a
fortune but it was 10 inches deep.
I would have thought pretty much any major timber merchant would offer
this.