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Surprised to see what looks very much like OSB lining the Amish house on the program on BBC2 right now. Always get the impression that anything less than two centuries old (in technology terms) is too modern. But that is very likely based on much ignorance. -- Rod |
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On Thu, 02 Aug 2012 21:35:56 +0100
polygonum wrote: Surprised to see what looks very much like OSB lining the Amish house on the program on BBC2 right now. Always get the impression that anything less than two centuries old (in technology terms) is too modern. But that is very likely based on much ignorance. Not to mention the Fridge, the 'phone (in an outhouse!) and the solar panels. -- Davey. |
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On Thu, 02 Aug 2012 22:22:38 +0100, Davey wrote:
On Thu, 02 Aug 2012 21:35:56 +0100 polygonum wrote: Surprised to see what looks very much like OSB lining the Amish house on the program on BBC2 right now. Always get the impression that anything less than two centuries old (in technology terms) is too modern. But that is very likely based on much ignorance. Not to mention the Fridge, the 'phone (in an outhouse!) and the solar panels. I wasn't really watching - but I did later notice several things like that. I can't get my head round why walking to a phone makes it OK... -- Rod |
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Davey wrote:
polygonum wrote: Surprised to see what looks very much like OSB lining the Amish house on the program on BBC2 right now. Not to mention the Fridge, the 'phone (in an outhouse!) and the solar The Amish philosophy is not to adopt a technology just for the sake of adopting a technology. If it is a useful tool to accomplish the work they chose to do, and not a frivoulous toy, then they will use it. A telephone is a useful emergency communication device, which is more-or-less exactly how my great-grandmother considered it. JGH |
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On 8/2/2012 5:22 PM, Davey wrote:
On Thu, 02 Aug 2012 21:35:56 +0100 polygonum wrote: Surprised to see what looks very much like OSB lining the Amish house on the program on BBC2 right now. Always get the impression that anything less than two centuries old (in technology terms) is too modern. But that is very likely based on much ignorance. Not to mention the Fridge, the 'phone (in an outhouse!) and the solar panels. I didn't see the show - but I've had dinner in an Amish home. The fridge and the lights were gas-powered, rather than electric. |
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"polygonum" wrote in message . net... On Thu, 02 Aug 2012 22:22:38 +0100, Davey wrote: On Thu, 02 Aug 2012 21:35:56 +0100 polygonum wrote: Surprised to see what looks very much like OSB lining the Amish house on the program on BBC2 right now. Always get the impression that anything less than two centuries old (in technology terms) is too modern. But that is very likely based on much ignorance. Not to mention the Fridge, the 'phone (in an outhouse!) and the solar panels. I wasn't really watching - but I did later notice several things like that. I can't get my head round why walking to a phone makes it OK... Yeah, one of the silliest wanks around. |
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wrote in message ... Davey wrote: polygonum wrote: Surprised to see what looks very much like OSB lining the Amish house on the program on BBC2 right now. Not to mention the Fridge, the 'phone (in an outhouse!) and the solar The Amish philosophy is not to adopt a technology just for the sake of adopting a technology. If it is a useful tool to accomplish the work they chose to do, and not a frivoulous toy, then they will use it. Its MUCH more complicated than that in practice. That doesn't explain why they refuse to use an engine in stuff as basic as a bike etc. A telephone is a useful emergency communication device, They don't just use the phone in the outhouse for emergencys. And they'd be a lot better off with the phone in the house for emergencys anyway. which is more-or-less exactly how my great-grandmother considered it. But presumably they werent that stupid with plenty of other technology of that time. |
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"S Viemeister" wrote in message ... On 8/2/2012 5:22 PM, Davey wrote: On Thu, 02 Aug 2012 21:35:56 +0100 polygonum wrote: Surprised to see what looks very much like OSB lining the Amish house on the program on BBC2 right now. Always get the impression that anything less than two centuries old (in technology terms) is too modern. But that is very likely based on much ignorance. Not to mention the Fridge, the 'phone (in an outhouse!) and the solar panels. I didn't see the show - but I've had dinner in an Amish home. The fridge and the lights were gas-powered, rather than electric. Even sillier. |
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On 02/08/2012 23:03, S Viemeister wrote:
I didn't see the show - but I've had dinner in an Amish home. The fridge and the lights were gas-powered, rather than electric. I miss my gas powered Kitchen fridge. Only expect such things in motorhomes nowadays. Except maybe for this £1,437.60 thing... http://www.coolhen.co.uk/Dometic-RGE...n¤cy=GBP "Gr-Granville! F-fetch yer cloth!" -- Adrian C |
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In message , polygonum
writes On Thu, 02 Aug 2012 22:22:38 +0100, Davey wrote: On Thu, 02 Aug 2012 21:35:56 +0100 polygonum wrote: Surprised to see what looks very much like OSB lining the Amish house on the program on BBC2 right now. Always get the impression that anything less than two centuries old (in technology terms) is too modern. But that is very likely based on much ignorance. Not to mention the Fridge, the 'phone (in an outhouse!) and the solar panels. I wasn't really watching - but I did later notice several things like that. I can't get my head round why walking to a phone makes it OK... It makes as much sense as all the other "get arounds" that exist in most religions -- geoff |
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In message , Rod Speed
writes wrote in message ... Davey wrote: polygonum wrote: Surprised to see what looks very much like OSB lining the Amish house on the program on BBC2 right now. Not to mention the Fridge, the 'phone (in an outhouse!) and the solar The Amish philosophy is not to adopt a technology just for the sake of adopting a technology. If it is a useful tool to accomplish the work they chose to do, and not a frivoulous toy, then they will use it. Its MUCH more complicated than that in practice. That doesn't explain why they refuse to use an engine in stuff as basic as a bike etc. I found the bit where they were pulling a petrol mower with a horse and cart amusing -- geoff |
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In message , Adrian C
writes On 02/08/2012 23:03, S Viemeister wrote: I didn't see the show - but I've had dinner in an Amish home. The fridge and the lights were gas-powered, rather than electric. I miss my gas powered Kitchen fridge. Only expect such things in motorhomes nowadays. Except maybe for this £1,437.60 thing... http://www.coolhen.co.uk/Dometic-RGE...n¤cy=GBP That's because its not quite Domesticated -- geoff |
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Owain wrote
Davey wrote Always get the impression that anything less than two centuries old (in technology terms) is too modern. But that is very likely based on much ignorance. Not to mention the Fridge, the 'phone (in an outhouse!) and the solar panels. At least they don't need GPS - the horse always knows the way home. Not to somewhere its never been it doesn't. |
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On Thu, 02 Aug 2012 23:39:51 +0100, geoff wrote:
In message , polygonum writes On Thu, 02 Aug 2012 22:22:38 +0100, Davey wrote: On Thu, 02 Aug 2012 21:35:56 +0100 polygonum wrote: Surprised to see what looks very much like OSB lining the Amish house on the program on BBC2 right now. Always get the impression that anything less than two centuries old (in technology terms) is too modern. But that is very likely based on much ignorance. Not to mention the Fridge, the 'phone (in an outhouse!) and the solar panels. I wasn't really watching - but I did later notice several things like that. I can't get my head round why walking to a phone makes it OK... It makes as much sense as all the other "get arounds" that exist in most religions The one I like is the eruv. I once heard of an eruv where the wired off area was very small....but that was considered the 'outside'.... -- Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org *lightning protection* - a w_tom conductor |
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Owain wrote
Rod Speed wrote Owain wrote At least they don't need GPS - the horse always knows the way home. Not to somewhere its never been it doesn't. I'll slightly qualify my original statement by saying the horse always knows the way to its home. Most don't use a GPS to get to their home. |
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Adrian C wrote:
On 02/08/2012 23:03, S Viemeister wrote: I didn't see the show - but I've had dinner in an Amish home. The fridge and the lights were gas-powered, rather than electric. I miss my gas powered Kitchen fridge. Only expect such things in motorhomes nowadays. Not in mine. Gas fridges are a nightmare. The best fridges for mobile use are the 24V DC ones meant for yachts. Bill |
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It makes as much sense as all the other "get arounds" that exist in most religions The one I like is the eruv. I once heard of an eruv where the wired off area was very small....but that was considered the 'outside'.... You just don't understand the finer points of religious reasoning. An eruv is a boundary wall taken to its most minimal extreme. You start off by asking what a wall is, and move on to asking whether it's still a wall if it's not in good condition. Everybody would agree it is. Then, what if it has holes in? Sure, that's okay. So, what if the holes are really big holes? That's okay, too. So, you end up with an eruv, which is a wall with a simply huge hole in it. It's all perfectly logical, but if you think of it as a boundary marker you may be happier. It's no different, really, from the boundary line between neighbouring counties, but even that tenuous line acts as a barrier to policemen. |
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On Fri, 3 Aug 2012 11:39:59 +1000
"Rod Speed" wrote: Owain wrote Rod Speed wrote Owain wrote At least they don't need GPS - the horse always knows the way home. Not to somewhere its never been it doesn't. I'll slightly qualify my original statement by saying the horse always knows the way to its home. Most don't use a GPS to get to their home. Yep, most horses don't use GPS, agreed. -- Davey. |
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On Fri, 03 Aug 2012 09:46:02 +0100
GB wrote: It makes as much sense as all the other "get arounds" that exist in most religions The one I like is the eruv. I once heard of an eruv where the wired off area was very small....but that was considered the 'outside'.... You just don't understand the finer points of religious reasoning. An eruv is a boundary wall taken to its most minimal extreme. You start off by asking what a wall is, and move on to asking whether it's still a wall if it's not in good condition. Everybody would agree it is. Then, what if it has holes in? Sure, that's okay. So, what if the holes are really big holes? That's okay, too. So, you end up with an eruv, which is a wall with a simply huge hole in it. It's all perfectly logical, but if you think of it as a boundary marker you may be happier. It's no different, really, from the boundary line between neighbouring counties, but even that tenuous line acts as a barrier to policemen. It sounds like one of those invisible dog fences. -- Davey. |
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Rod Speed wrote:
That doesn't explain why they refuse to use an engine in stuff as basic as a bike etc. Stuff as basic as a bike doesn't need an engine if you've got legs. A bicycle is almost the most efficient method of using human power for propulsion. JGH |
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On Fri, 03 Aug 2012 09:46:02 +0100, GB wrote:
It makes as much sense as all the other "get arounds" that exist in most religions The one I like is the eruv. I once heard of an eruv where the wired off area was very small....but that was considered the 'outside'.... You just don't understand the finer points of religious reasoning. An eruv is a boundary wall taken to its most minimal extreme. You start off by asking what a wall is, and move on to asking whether it's still a wall if it's not in good condition. Everybody would agree it is. Then, what if it has holes in? Sure, that's okay. So, what if the holes are really big holes? That's okay, too. So, you end up with an eruv, which is a wall with a simply huge hole in it. It's all perfectly logical, but if you think of it as a boundary marker you may be happier. It's no different, really, from the boundary line between neighbouring counties, but even that tenuous line acts as a barrier to policemen. Yes, but the bit where a very small enclosed spec is taken to be the 'outside' and the rest of the world the 'inside' was what took the biscuit! A bit like the guy and his hut in HHGttG... -- Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org *lightning protection* - a w_tom conductor |
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On Friday, August 3, 2012 10:05:41 AM UTC+1, Davey wrote:
On Fri, 03 Aug 2012 09:46:02 +0100 GB wrote: It makes as much sense as all the other "get arounds" that exist in most religions The one I like is the eruv. I once heard of an eruv where the wired off area was very small....but that was considered the 'outside'.... You just don't understand the finer points of religious reasoning. An eruv is a boundary wall taken to its most minimal extreme. You start off by asking what a wall is, and move on to asking whether it's still a wall if it's not in good condition. Everybody would agree it is. Then, what if it has holes in? Sure, that's okay. So, what if the holes are really big holes? That's okay, too. So, you end up with an eruv, which is a wall with a simply huge hole in it. It's all perfectly logical, but if you think of it as a boundary marker you may be happier. It's no different, really, from the boundary line between neighbouring counties, but even that tenuous line acts as a barrier to policemen. It sounds like one of those invisible dog fences. -- Davey. Can't be as crazy as the strain of Jewish religion that forbids ALL work on the sabbath. I watched a programme many years ago about the extraordinary lengths some would go to comply with this. Even down to a special light switch which was designed to comply with this.Some wont even take the bones out of fish or filter water on the sabbath Beats me |
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GB wrote
It makes as much sense as all the other "get arounds" that exist in most religions The one I like is the eruv. I once heard of an eruv where the wired off area was very small.... but that was considered the 'outside'.... You just don't understand the finer points of religious reasoning. No such animal. An eruv is a boundary wall taken to its most minimal extreme. You start off by asking what a wall is, and move on to asking whether it's still a wall if it's not in good condition. Everybody would agree it is. Then, what if it has holes in? Sure, that's okay. So, what if the holes are really big holes? That's okay, too. So, you end up with an eruv, which is a wall with a simply huge hole in it. An eruv is in fact a completely mindless silly wank. It's all perfectly logical, Pigs arse it is. but if you think of it as a boundary marker you may be happier. It's no different, really, from the boundary line between neighbouring counties, Completely different in fact. Those dont allow you to do what you can't otherwise do. but even that tenuous line acts as a barrier to policemen. Only in a stupid system thats actually stupid enough to do the cops by county. |
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On 03/08/2012 10:08, Bob Eager wrote:
On Fri, 03 Aug 2012 09:46:02 +0100, GB wrote: It makes as much sense as all the other "get arounds" that exist in most religions The one I like is the eruv. I once heard of an eruv where the wired off area was very small....but that was considered the 'outside'.... You just don't understand the finer points of religious reasoning. An eruv is a boundary wall taken to its most minimal extreme. You start off by asking what a wall is, and move on to asking whether it's still a wall if it's not in good condition. Everybody would agree it is. Then, what if it has holes in? Sure, that's okay. So, what if the holes are really big holes? That's okay, too. So, you end up with an eruv, which is a wall with a simply huge hole in it. It's all perfectly logical, but if you think of it as a boundary marker you may be happier. It's no different, really, from the boundary line between neighbouring counties, but even that tenuous line acts as a barrier to policemen. Yes, but the bit where a very small enclosed spec is taken to be the 'outside' and the rest of the world the 'inside' was what took the biscuit! Actually, I don't think that could work as an eruv, so I am not sure where you got that from? A bit like the guy and his hut in HHGttG... |
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Rod Speed wrote: That doesn't explain why they refuse to use an engine in stuff as basic as a bike etc. Stuff as basic as a bike doesn't need an engine if you've got legs. Wrong when you want to go far. A bicycle is almost the most efficient method of using human power for propulsion. They allow the use of horses anyway. Its all a completely mindless silly wank. |
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fred wrote
Davey wrote GB wrote It makes as much sense as all the other "get arounds" that exist in most religions The one I like is the eruv. I once heard of an eruv where the wired off area was very small....but that was considered the 'outside'.... You just don't understand the finer points of religious reasoning. An eruv is a boundary wall taken to its most minimal extreme. You start off by asking what a wall is, and move on to asking whether it's still a wall if it's not in good condition. Everybody would agree it is. Then, what if it has holes in? Sure, that's okay. So, what if the holes are really big holes? That's okay, too. So, you end up with an eruv, which is a wall with a simply huge hole in it. It's all perfectly logical, but if you think of it as a boundary marker you may be happier. It's no different, really, from the boundary line between neighbouring counties, but even that tenuous line acts as a barrier to policemen. It sounds like one of those invisible dog fences. Can't be as crazy as the strain of Jewish religion that forbids ALL work on the sabbath. Same one. I watched a programme many years ago about the extraordinary lengths some would go to comply with this. Even down to a special light switch which was designed to comply with this. And require some damned rabbi to collect every scrap of someone who has been blown to bits by some rag head etc. Some wont even take the bones out of fish or filter water on the sabbath Beats me Some even encourage that. |
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In article , fred
wrote: Can't be as crazy as the strain of Jewish religion that forbids ALL work on the sabbath. I watched a programme many years ago about the extraordinary lengths some would go to comply with this. Even down to a special light switch which was designed to comply with this.Some wont even take the bones out of fish or filter water on the sabbath and much closer to home - on the Island of Scalpay - there is a sign stating that the children's playground is closed on Sunday. Can't have anyone - even children - enjoying themselves on the Sabbath. -- From KT24 Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18 |
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On Aug 3, 4:00*am, Bill Wright wrote:
Adrian C wrote: On 02/08/2012 23:03, S Viemeister wrote: I didn't see the show - but I've had dinner in an Amish home. The fridge and the lights were gas-powered, rather than electric. I miss my gas powered Kitchen fridge. Only expect such things in motorhomes nowadays. Not in mine. Gas fridges are a nightmare. The best fridges for mobile use are the 24V DC ones meant for yachts. I've just had a flashback to trying to get a gas-powered fridge lit in a caravan. Kneeling on the floor with your head in the fridge while repeatedly pressing a piezo-electric button and trying to see a tiny blue flame through a little perspex window while muttering in basic Anglo-Saxon. Thank the lord for electrical hook-ups. -- Halmyre |
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Can't be as crazy as the strain of Jewish religion that forbids ALL work on the sabbath. I've stayed in a household like that over the sabbath. Once you get the hang of what's going on, it's actually very relaxing. I suspect that it's less crazy than everyone else in the country rushing off to the shopping centre on Saturday to spend money they haven't got and can't afford on things they don't need. :-) I kind of envied the Amish their certainty about things. No ontological problems for them! |
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GB wrote
Can't be as crazy as the strain of Jewish religion that forbids ALL work on the sabbath. I've stayed in a household like that over the sabbath. Once you get the hang of what's going on, it's actually very relaxing. Nope, stupidly boring. I suspect that it's less crazy than everyone else in the country rushing off to the shopping centre on Saturday to spend money they haven't got and can't afford on things they don't need. :-) That isnt required for you to do. I kind of envied the Amish their certainty about things. That's a myth. No ontological problems for them! Wrong again. |
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Huge wrote
polygonum wrote Surprised to see what looks very much like OSB lining the Amish house on the program on BBC2 right now. Always get the impression that anything less than two centuries old (in technology terms) is too modern. But that is very likely based on much ignorance. There are a number of sub-sects of Amish. The ones you see on TV are always the more moderate ones, since the "hard line" Amish, who eschew most modern technology, will not allow themselves to be filmed. And even the more relaxed of them have stupid rules on the colors you can have your horse drawn things painted, and what color braces etc you can wear. Completely off with the ****ing fairys. Indeed, some of the "Amish" I have seen on TV are not, strictly speaking, Amish at all, but families who have been "shunned" for using modern technology, but still keep elements of the Amish lifestyle. (My parents live in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, aka "Amish Country", although the community in Ohio is larger.) |
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Huge wrote:
On 2012-08-03, F wrote: S Viemeister wrote: On 8/3/2012 5:15 AM, fred wrote: Can't be as crazy as the strain of Jewish religion that forbids ALL work on the sabbath. I watched a programme many years ago about the extraordinary lengths some would go to comply with this. Even down to a special light switch which was designed to comply with this.Some wont even take the bones out of fish or filter water on the sabbath Beats me There are also cookers with Sabbath settings. Years ago, local gentiles would light the stove, now technology takes care of it... There is a sabbath setting on my modern F&P fridge. WTF does it do? Not sure how clear this is,jpeg of manual page. https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/phot...eat=directlink |
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S Viemeister wrote:
On 8/3/2012 5:15 AM, fred wrote: Can't be as crazy as the strain of Jewish religion that forbids ALL work on the sabbath. I watched a programme many years ago about the extraordinary lengths some would go to comply with this. Even down to a special light switch which was designed to comply with this.Some wont even take the bones out of fish or filter water on the sabbath Beats me There are also cookers with Sabbath settings. Years ago, local gentiles would light the stove, now technology takes care of it... There was, IIRC, debate some time ago as to whether asking a trained animal to turn on a light or switch an appliance on was considered "work" during Shabbat. Some families had allegedly trained monkeys to operate switches on request. -- Tciao for Now! John. |
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , charles wrote: and much closer to home - on the Island of Scalpay - there is a sign stating that the children's playground is closed on Sunday. Can't have anyone - even children - enjoying themselves on the Sabbath. Could be to give those who live close some rest from the noise? there were no houses nearby -- From KT24 Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18 |
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Tim Streater wrote: In article , "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote: In article , charles wrote: and much closer to home - on the Island of Scalpay - there is a sign stating that the children's playground is closed on Sunday. Can't have anyone - even children - enjoying themselves on the Sabbath. Could be to give those who live close some rest from the noise? Children playing is not noise. it is if you live near a primary school at break time. -- From KT24 Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18 |
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Tim Streater wrote: Could be to give those who live close some rest from the noise? Children playing is not noise. Neither is my favourite music played at full belt - to me. Others might differ. -- *Even a blind pig stumbles across an acorn now and again * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Huge wrote:
On 2012-08-03, F Murtz wrote: Huge wrote: On 2012-08-03, F wrote: S Viemeister wrote: On 8/3/2012 5:15 AM, fred wrote: Can't be as crazy as the strain of Jewish religion that forbids ALL work on the sabbath. I watched a programme many years ago about the extraordinary lengths some would go to comply with this. Even down to a special light switch which was designed to comply with this.Some wont even take the bones out of fish or filter water on the sabbath Beats me There are also cookers with Sabbath settings. Years ago, local gentiles would light the stove, now technology takes care of it... There is a sabbath setting on my modern F&P fridge. WTF does it do? Not sure how clear this is,jpeg of manual page. https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/phot...eat=directlink Disables the light. Weird. One would have thought that opening the dor was "work" and therefore not allowed, so it doesn't matter if the light comes on. But then, I am not Jewish. Lighting a fire is forbidden, and turning a light on is considered byh some to be equivalent to lighting a fire. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Activit...ted_on_Shabbat For more about what Jews may and may not do during Shabbat. -- Tciao for Now! John. |
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On Fri, 3 Aug 2012 06:07:35 -0700 (PDT)
"Man at B&Q" wrote: On Aug 3, 2:39Â*am, "Rod Speed" wrote: Owain wrote Rod Speed wrote Owain wrote At least they don't need GPS - the horse always knows the way home. Not to somewhere its never been it doesn't. I'll slightly qualify my original statement by saying the horse always knows the way to its home. Most don't use a GPS to get to their home. I've yet to see *any* horse using a GPS for *anything*. MBQ My point exactly. I was responding to Rod, which I know is a waste of my time, but what the hell, he is easy to bait! -- Davey. |
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On Fri, 03 Aug 2012 14:07:12 +0100
Martin Brown wrote: On 03/08/2012 11:38, Owain wrote: On Aug 3, 10:07 am, wrote: Stuff as basic as a bike doesn't need an engine if you've got legs. A bicycle is almost the most efficient method of using human power for propulsion. Rather less efficient than walking, as the weight of the bicycle also has to be propelled. Owain Utterly clueless. The weight of the bicycle makes it very slightly harder to accelerate, but the rotating wheels make the whole thing about 3x more efficient than walking. For a given amount of effort expended an average person can do 15km/h on a bike or 5km/h walking. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle...rgy_efficiency At higher speeds wind drag becomes a factor for cycling fast. Which it doesn't for a walker, unless he is in a strong headwind. I agree entirely with your argument. -- Davey. |
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