On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 16:28:28 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
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In sci.electronics.repair Arfa Daily wrote:


"Rod Speed" wrote in message
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On 11/07/2012 10:37, D. T. Green wrote:
On just buying a 800 watt 'two' stroke petrol generator from Aldi, we
have
heard from someone who says that he has got one; and that his is
running
very roughly, and is really noisy.

Also it says in the instructions that it is *not* suitable for
connecting to
televisions or other sensitive electronic equipment.

Likely it is not just acoustically noisy but electronically noisy too
and the ignition system radio emissions will cause snow on a portable
TV. It might be so rough and ready electrically either voltage or
frequency wise that it could fail or wreck some old sets completely. I'd
expect most modern switched mode PSUs to cope with almost anything but
then you are taking a risk since the maker says it is unsuitable.



I would have said the exact opposite of that. Linear supplies with a nice
big chunk of L in the way, are pretty much unconcerned about such nasties
as spikes, whereas switchers will fail if you just look at them wrongly
on a day with a Y in it ...

Like hell they do.

However, that said, I would agree with everyone else that using this with
modern electronic equipment would not be a good idea.

That's just plain wrong with modern switch mode power supplys.


I repair hundreds of the things, and irrespective of the topology of any
individual design, most work by the skin of their teeth. Left alone, in
general, today's generation are fairly reliable, but in my experience,
subject them to the slightest abuse, and they fail - often catastrophically

Arfa

I can't imagine a 2 stroke aldi generator would even last long enough to
destroy any electronics. the thing must last about 2-3 minutes tops before
seizing, assuming it even starts out of the box.

So you lack a grasp of reality. Reliable 2 cycle engines are quite
common - they have been used in chain saws, outboard motors, and a
variety of other uses for more than half a century. The chief cause
of premature failure is some idiot (look in to a mirror for an
example) failing to properly mix the oil and gas.

The generator (actually an alternator) is also trivial. By
incorporating a small permanent magnet into the rotor it would be
trivial to build a self-energizing alternator; output voltage
regulation would be done by stepping the output voltage down,
rectifying it, and varying the current to the rotor windings, just as
is done in an automotive alternator. That output voltage should be
quite stable.

Admitedly, frequency regulation would be poor. They probably use an
air vane governor for speed regulation.

As far as the original question, I wouldn't suggest anyone try to use
one for any application the manufacturer says is unsuitable. But I
would be more concerned about the unstable frequency than the output
voltage. I've seen many LCD monitors whose power supply is rated for
input voltages ranging from 90 to 275 volts AC at 50 - 60 Hz.

PlainBill

In sci.electronics.repair wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 16:28:28 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

In sci.electronics.repair Arfa Daily wrote:


"Rod Speed" wrote in message
...


"Arfa Daily" wrote in message
...


"Martin Brown" wrote in message
...
On 11/07/2012 10:37, D. T. Green wrote:
On just buying a 800 watt 'two' stroke petrol generator from Aldi, we
have
heard from someone who says that he has got one; and that his is
running
very roughly, and is really noisy.

Also it says in the instructions that it is *not* suitable for
connecting to
televisions or other sensitive electronic equipment.

Likely it is not just acoustically noisy but electronically noisy too
and the ignition system radio emissions will cause snow on a portable
TV. It might be so rough and ready electrically either voltage or
frequency wise that it could fail or wreck some old sets completely. I'd
expect most modern switched mode PSUs to cope with almost anything but
then you are taking a risk since the maker says it is unsuitable.



I would have said the exact opposite of that. Linear supplies with a nice
big chunk of L in the way, are pretty much unconcerned about such nasties
as spikes, whereas switchers will fail if you just look at them wrongly
on a day with a Y in it ...

Like hell they do.

However, that said, I would agree with everyone else that using this with
modern electronic equipment would not be a good idea.

That's just plain wrong with modern switch mode power supplys.


I repair hundreds of the things, and irrespective of the topology of any
individual design, most work by the skin of their teeth. Left alone, in
general, today's generation are fairly reliable, but in my experience,
subject them to the slightest abuse, and they fail - often catastrophically

Arfa

I can't imagine a 2 stroke aldi generator would even last long enough to
destroy any electronics. the thing must last about 2-3 minutes tops before
seizing, assuming it even starts out of the box.

So you lack a grasp of reality. Reliable 2 cycle engines are quite
common - they have been used in chain saws, outboard motors, and a
variety of other uses for more than half a century. The chief cause
of premature failure is some idiot (look in to a mirror for an
example) failing to properly mix the oil and gas.

there are great 2 cycle engines, but they don't come from aldi.

In sci.electronics.repair wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 16:28:28 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

In sci.electronics.repair Arfa Daily wrote:


"Rod Speed" wrote in message
...


"Arfa Daily" wrote in message
...


"Martin Brown" wrote in message
...
On 11/07/2012 10:37, D. T. Green wrote:
On just buying a 800 watt 'two' stroke petrol generator from Aldi,
we
have
heard from someone who says that he has got one; and that his is
running
very roughly, and is really noisy.

Also it says in the instructions that it is *not* suitable for
connecting to
televisions or other sensitive electronic equipment.

Likely it is not just acoustically noisy but electronically noisy
too
and the ignition system radio emissions will cause snow on a
portable
TV. It might be so rough and ready electrically either voltage or
frequency wise that it could fail or wreck some old sets completely.
I'd
expect most modern switched mode PSUs to cope with almost anything
but
then you are taking a risk since the maker says it is unsuitable.



I would have said the exact opposite of that. Linear supplies with a
nice
big chunk of L in the way, are pretty much unconcerned about such
nasties
as spikes, whereas switchers will fail if you just look at them
wrongly
on a day with a Y in it ...

Like hell they do.

However, that said, I would agree with everyone else that using this
with
modern electronic equipment would not be a good idea.

That's just plain wrong with modern switch mode power supplys.


I repair hundreds of the things, and irrespective of the topology of
any
individual design, most work by the skin of their teeth. Left alone, in
general, today's generation are fairly reliable, but in my experience,
subject them to the slightest abuse, and they fail - often
catastrophically

Arfa

I can't imagine a 2 stroke aldi generator would even last long enough to
destroy any electronics. the thing must last about 2-3 minutes tops
before
seizing, assuming it even starts out of the box.

So you lack a grasp of reality. Reliable 2 cycle engines are quite
common - they have been used in chain saws, outboard motors, and a
variety of other uses for more than half a century. The chief cause
of premature failure is some idiot (look in to a mirror for an
example) failing to properly mix the oil and gas.

there are great 2 cycle engines, but they don't come from aldi.


Have you ever bought any Tools or anything for that matter from Aldi?

Mike

"Muddymike" wrote in message
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In sci.electronics.repair wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 16:28:28 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

In sci.electronics.repair Arfa Daily wrote:


"Rod Speed" wrote in message
...


"Arfa Daily" wrote in message
...


"Martin Brown" wrote in message
...
On 11/07/2012 10:37, D. T. Green wrote:
On just buying a 800 watt 'two' stroke petrol generator from Aldi,
we
have
heard from someone who says that he has got one; and that his is
running
very roughly, and is really noisy.

Also it says in the instructions that it is *not* suitable for
connecting to
televisions or other sensitive electronic equipment.

Likely it is not just acoustically noisy but electronically noisy
too
and the ignition system radio emissions will cause snow on a
portable
TV. It might be so rough and ready electrically either voltage or
frequency wise that it could fail or wreck some old sets
completely. I'd
expect most modern switched mode PSUs to cope with almost anything
but
then you are taking a risk since the maker says it is unsuitable.



I would have said the exact opposite of that. Linear supplies with a
nice
big chunk of L in the way, are pretty much unconcerned about such
nasties
as spikes, whereas switchers will fail if you just look at them
wrongly
on a day with a Y in it ...

Like hell they do.

However, that said, I would agree with everyone else that using this
with
modern electronic equipment would not be a good idea.

That's just plain wrong with modern switch mode power supplys.


I repair hundreds of the things, and irrespective of the topology of
any
individual design, most work by the skin of their teeth. Left alone,
in
general, today's generation are fairly reliable, but in my experience,
subject them to the slightest abuse, and they fail - often
catastrophically

Arfa

I can't imagine a 2 stroke aldi generator would even last long enough to
destroy any electronics. the thing must last about 2-3 minutes tops
before
seizing, assuming it even starts out of the box.

So you lack a grasp of reality. Reliable 2 cycle engines are quite
common - they have been used in chain saws, outboard motors, and a
variety of other uses for more than half a century. The chief cause
of premature failure is some idiot (look in to a mirror for an
example) failing to properly mix the oil and gas.

there are great 2 cycle engines, but they don't come from aldi.


Have you ever bought any Tools or anything for that matter from Aldi?

Mike

I've always found their tools quite good, and generally excellent value for
money. A while back, I bought a compressor and a bunch of air tools from
them for a very reasonable price - better than any of the DIY sheds were
offering. Agreed, it's not of 'professional' quality, but it is extremely
well made, has dual ports, both with pressure gauges, and every last nut and
bolt is available as a spare part. It's not particularly quiet, and the tank
is not huge, but as a DIY item, it is more than adequate, and has so far
given me excellent service.

Arfa

On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 00:47:52 +0100, "Arfa Daily"
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"Muddymike" wrote in message
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In sci.electronics.repair wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 16:28:28 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

In sci.electronics.repair Arfa Daily wrote:


"Rod Speed" wrote in message
...


"Arfa Daily" wrote in message
...


"Martin Brown" wrote in message
...
On 11/07/2012 10:37, D. T. Green wrote:
On just buying a 800 watt 'two' stroke petrol generator from Aldi,
we
have
heard from someone who says that he has got one; and that his is
running
very roughly, and is really noisy.

Also it says in the instructions that it is *not* suitable for
connecting to
televisions or other sensitive electronic equipment.

Likely it is not just acoustically noisy but electronically noisy
too
and the ignition system radio emissions will cause snow on a
portable
TV. It might be so rough and ready electrically either voltage or
frequency wise that it could fail or wreck some old sets
completely. I'd
expect most modern switched mode PSUs to cope with almost anything
but
then you are taking a risk since the maker says it is unsuitable.



I would have said the exact opposite of that. Linear supplies with a
nice
big chunk of L in the way, are pretty much unconcerned about such
nasties
as spikes, whereas switchers will fail if you just look at them
wrongly
on a day with a Y in it ...

Like hell they do.

However, that said, I would agree with everyone else that using this
with
modern electronic equipment would not be a good idea.

That's just plain wrong with modern switch mode power supplys.


I repair hundreds of the things, and irrespective of the topology of
any
individual design, most work by the skin of their teeth. Left alone,
in
general, today's generation are fairly reliable, but in my experience,
subject them to the slightest abuse, and they fail - often
catastrophically

Arfa

I can't imagine a 2 stroke aldi generator would even last long enough to
destroy any electronics. the thing must last about 2-3 minutes tops
before
seizing, assuming it even starts out of the box.

So you lack a grasp of reality. Reliable 2 cycle engines are quite
common - they have been used in chain saws, outboard motors, and a
variety of other uses for more than half a century. The chief cause
of premature failure is some idiot (look in to a mirror for an
example) failing to properly mix the oil and gas.

there are great 2 cycle engines, but they don't come from aldi.


Have you ever bought any Tools or anything for that matter from Aldi?

Mike

I've always found their tools quite good, and generally excellent value for
money. A while back, I bought a compressor and a bunch of air tools from
them for a very reasonable price - better than any of the DIY sheds were
offering. Agreed, it's not of 'professional' quality, but it is extremely
well made, has dual ports, both with pressure gauges, and every last nut and
bolt is available as a spare part. It's not particularly quiet, and the tank
is not huge, but as a DIY item, it is more than adequate, and has so far
given me excellent service.

Arfa
That is my experience with the items sold by Harbor Freight Tools. If
I were a professional whose livelihood depended on his tools, Harbor
Freight would not be my preferred source. More than 2 years ago I
bought a 'Sawzall' (reciprocating saw) from HFT for $19.99. A
professional would have preferred the Milwaukee brand ($120 - $150)
whild a dedicated DIYer should have preferred a Porter-Cable product
at $80 - $100. I have used it for perhaps a dozen projects from
cutting a 2' diameter circle out of a piece of 1/2" plywood (metric
conversions available on request) to removing siding and soffit from
an addition.

PlainBill

In article ,
wrote:
Have you ever bought any Tools or anything for that matter from Aldi?

Mike

I've always found their tools quite good, and generally excellent value
for money. A while back, I bought a compressor and a bunch of air
tools from them for a very reasonable price - better than any of the
DIY sheds were offering. Agreed, it's not of 'professional' quality,
but it is extremely well made, has dual ports, both with pressure
gauges, and every last nut and bolt is available as a spare part. It's
not particularly quiet, and the tank is not huge, but as a DIY item,
it is more than adequate, and has so far given me excellent service.

Arfa
That is my experience with the items sold by Harbor Freight Tools. If
I were a professional whose livelihood depended on his tools, Harbor
Freight would not be my preferred source. More than 2 years ago I
bought a 'Sawzall' (reciprocating saw) from HFT for $19.99. A
professional would have preferred the Milwaukee brand ($120 - $150)
whild a dedicated DIYer should have preferred a Porter-Cable product
at $80 - $100. I have used it for perhaps a dozen projects from
cutting a 2' diameter circle out of a piece of 1/2" plywood (metric
conversions available on request) to removing siding and soffit from
an addition.

None of which have much bearing on Aldi.

How long a warranty do those cheap brands give? Lidl and Aldi ones are 3
years.

--
*A dog's not just for Christmas, it's alright on a Friday night too*

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 18:56:15 +0100, "Muddymike"
wrote:

there are great 2 cycle engines, but they don't come from aldi.


Have you ever bought any Tools or anything for that matter from Aldi?

He clearly hasn't. Just a ****** of a tool snob.

In sci.electronics.repair Muddymike wrote:
In sci.electronics.repair wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 16:28:28 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

In sci.electronics.repair Arfa Daily wrote:


"Rod Speed" wrote in message
...


"Arfa Daily" wrote in message
...


"Martin Brown" wrote in message
...
On 11/07/2012 10:37, D. T. Green wrote:
On just buying a 800 watt 'two' stroke petrol generator from Aldi,
we
have
heard from someone who says that he has got one; and that his is
running
very roughly, and is really noisy.

Also it says in the instructions that it is *not* suitable for
connecting to
televisions or other sensitive electronic equipment.

Likely it is not just acoustically noisy but electronically noisy
too
and the ignition system radio emissions will cause snow on a
portable
TV. It might be so rough and ready electrically either voltage or
frequency wise that it could fail or wreck some old sets completely.
I'd
expect most modern switched mode PSUs to cope with almost anything
but
then you are taking a risk since the maker says it is unsuitable.



I would have said the exact opposite of that. Linear supplies with a
nice
big chunk of L in the way, are pretty much unconcerned about such
nasties
as spikes, whereas switchers will fail if you just look at them
wrongly
on a day with a Y in it ...

Like hell they do.

However, that said, I would agree with everyone else that using this
with
modern electronic equipment would not be a good idea.

That's just plain wrong with modern switch mode power supplys.


I repair hundreds of the things, and irrespective of the topology of
any
individual design, most work by the skin of their teeth. Left alone, in
general, today's generation are fairly reliable, but in my experience,
subject them to the slightest abuse, and they fail - often
catastrophically

Arfa

I can't imagine a 2 stroke aldi generator would even last long enough to
destroy any electronics. the thing must last about 2-3 minutes tops
before
seizing, assuming it even starts out of the box.

So you lack a grasp of reality. Reliable 2 cycle engines are quite
common - they have been used in chain saws, outboard motors, and a
variety of other uses for more than half a century. The chief cause
of premature failure is some idiot (look in to a mirror for an
example) failing to properly mix the oil and gas.

there are great 2 cycle engines, but they don't come from aldi.


Have you ever bought any Tools or anything for that matter from Aldi?

Mike

the canned food is extra watery, and I had take the bacon back for a
refund once.

If you can't master canned food, you've got problems.

In article ,
Cydrome Leader wrote:
Have you ever bought any Tools or anything for that matter from Aldi?

the canned food is extra watery, and I had take the bacon back for a
refund once.

If you can't master canned food, you've got problems.

You've tried all their canned food?

But you have no knowledge of their tools?

Others here have - including me. And I'd have no hesitation recommending
them as excellent value for money. But I don't have their generator.

--
*Keep honking...I'm reloading.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.