Working away, and the sky went black (in Birmingham) - had to put the
lights on. Then a thunderstorm with what can only be described as a
cloudburst. Rain so heavy it was overflowing everyones guttering.

Then a dismal cry from the Mrs in the kitchen ... there was water all
over the units. Quick step onto a ladder revealed it was seeping through
the ceiling plasterboard. I did some quick surgery with an awl, and
collected about 500ml in a bowl.

Grrrrrrrrrr !!!!!!!!

Roofing is one thing I can't do - even on a bungalow (head for heights),
so a call has gone out to our friendly roofer who did a grand job on our
gulleys last year.

Hopefully it's a cracked tile - I've a few spares.

Luckily the ceiling damage is above a wall cupboard, so not immediately
apparent. Although now it's got wet, presumably the plasterboard is going
to need replacement ?

On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:01:50 +0000, Jethro_uk wrote:

Working away, and the sky went black (in Birmingham) - had to put the
lights on. Then a thunderstorm with what can only be described as a
cloudburst. Rain so heavy it was overflowing everyones guttering.

Then a dismal cry from the Mrs in the kitchen ... there was water all
over the units. Quick step onto a ladder revealed it was seeping through
the ceiling plasterboard. I did some quick surgery with an awl, and
collected about 500ml in a bowl.

Grrrrrrrrrr !!!!!!!!

Roofing is one thing I can't do - even on a bungalow (head for heights),
so a call has gone out to our friendly roofer who did a grand job on our
gulleys last year.

Hopefully it's a cracked tile - I've a few spares.

Luckily the ceiling damage is above a wall cupboard, so not immediately
apparent. Although now it's got wet, presumably the plasterboard is
going to need replacement ?

Hmmmm - despite it continuing to rain, the water has stopped. I'm
starting to wonder, given the location, if it's possible the gulley
(valley ?) where there's a 90degree join in the roof (it's an "L" shaped
bungalow) simply couldn't carry the water away fast enough, and it backed
up and spilled over the tiles to leak into the loft. It was a freak
downpour - truly monsoon proportions.

On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:01:50 GMT, Jethro_uk
wrote:

Luckily the ceiling damage is above a wall cupboard, so not immediately
apparent. Although now it's got wet, presumably the plasterboard is going
to need replacement ?

Possibly. Wait and see if it's lost integrity. P/b seems to cope with
a slight dousing, once.

On 2012-06-28 10:55:40 +0000, Jethro_uk said:

Hmmmm - despite it continuing to rain, the water has stopped. I'm
starting to wonder, given the location, if it's possible the gulley
(valley ?) where there's a 90degree join in the roof (it's an "L" shaped
bungalow) simply couldn't carry the water away fast enough, and it backed
up and spilled over the tiles to leak into the loft. It was a freak
downpour - truly monsoon proportions.

Yeah, we just had it in mid-Wales. Despite how common rain is here, I
don't think I've seen anything quite like that in the nearly 5 years
we've been here.

On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 12:04:17 +0100, Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:

On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:01:50 GMT, Jethro_uk
wrote:

Luckily the ceiling damage is above a wall cupboard, so not immediately
apparent. Although now it's got wet, presumably the plasterboard is
going to need replacement ?

Possibly. Wait and see if it's lost integrity. P/b seems to cope with a
slight dousing, once.

Well, fingers crossed. Despite it raining heavily on and off, it seems to
have stopped, reinforcing my suspicion the gulley simply couldn't cope.

Our lad has just told us that 1 mile down the road (never flooded
according to locals) is knee-deep in water. It really was a once in a
century downpour.

"Jethro_uk" wrote in message
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On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:01:50 +0000, Jethro_uk wrote:

Working away, and the sky went black (in Birmingham) - had to put the
lights on. Then a thunderstorm with what can only be described as a
cloudburst. Rain so heavy it was overflowing everyones guttering.

Then a dismal cry from the Mrs in the kitchen ... there was water all
over the units. Quick step onto a ladder revealed it was seeping through
the ceiling plasterboard. I did some quick surgery with an awl, and
collected about 500ml in a bowl.

Grrrrrrrrrr !!!!!!!!

Roofing is one thing I can't do - even on a bungalow (head for heights),
so a call has gone out to our friendly roofer who did a grand job on our
gulleys last year.

Hopefully it's a cracked tile - I've a few spares.

Luckily the ceiling damage is above a wall cupboard, so not immediately
apparent. Although now it's got wet, presumably the plasterboard is
going to need replacement ?

Hmmmm - despite it continuing to rain, the water has stopped. I'm
starting to wonder, given the location, if it's possible the gulley
(valley ?) where there's a 90degree join in the roof (it's an "L" shaped
bungalow) simply couldn't carry the water away fast enough, and it backed
up and spilled over the tiles to leak into the loft. It was a freak
downpour - truly monsoon proportions.

Likely. I'd avoid that sort of gutter with anything I designed now.

When I designed the house you werent allowed to not have gutters.

You are now and no gutters at all means that no downpour can be a problem.

Thats the way houses in the tropics were done and it works very well.

"Jethro_uk" wrote in message
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On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 12:04:17 +0100, Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:

On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:01:50 GMT, Jethro_uk
wrote:

Luckily the ceiling damage is above a wall cupboard, so not immediately
apparent. Although now it's got wet, presumably the plasterboard is
going to need replacement ?

Possibly. Wait and see if it's lost integrity. P/b seems to cope with a
slight dousing, once.

Well, fingers crossed. Despite it raining heavily on and off, it seems to
have stopped, reinforcing my suspicion the gulley simply couldn't cope.

Our lad has just told us that 1 mile down the road (never flooded
according to locals) is knee-deep in water. It really was a once in a
century downpour.

Well here it has rained a lot, however I don't think its any heavier than it
has rained before.
Not a once in a century event AFAICS.

The trouble is people keep building on ground that would have mopped up the
flood water, now it just runs off and floods somewhere that has never
flooded before. It will do so next time too.

On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 13:07:00 +0100, dennis@home wrote:

"Jethro_uk" wrote in message
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On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 12:04:17 +0100, Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:

On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:01:50 GMT, Jethro_uk
wrote:

Luckily the ceiling damage is above a wall cupboard, so not
immediately apparent. Although now it's got wet, presumably the
plasterboard is going to need replacement ?

Possibly. Wait and see if it's lost integrity. P/b seems to cope with
a slight dousing, once.

Well, fingers crossed. Despite it raining heavily on and off, it seems
to have stopped, reinforcing my suspicion the gulley simply couldn't
cope.

Our lad has just told us that 1 mile down the road (never flooded
according to locals) is knee-deep in water. It really was a once in a
century downpour.

Well here it has rained a lot, however I don't think its any heavier
than it has rained before.
Not a once in a century event AFAICS.

The trouble is people keep building on ground that would have mopped up
the flood water, now it just runs off and floods somewhere that has
never flooded before. It will do so next time too.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-18624085

sadly someone died

"Jethro_uk" wrote in message
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-18624085

I am in Tipton, I did see the rain.
I have seen worse.


sadly someone died

It happens even when there is no rain.

Jethro_uk wrote:
On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:01:50 +0000, Jethro_uk wrote:

Working away, and the sky went black (in Birmingham) - had to put the
lights on. Then a thunderstorm with what can only be described as a
cloudburst. Rain so heavy it was overflowing everyones guttering.

Then a dismal cry from the Mrs in the kitchen ... there was water all
over the units. Quick step onto a ladder revealed it was seeping
through the ceiling plasterboard. I did some quick surgery with an
awl, and collected about 500ml in a bowl.

Grrrrrrrrrr !!!!!!!!

Roofing is one thing I can't do - even on a bungalow (head for
heights), so a call has gone out to our friendly roofer who did a
grand job on our gulleys last year.

Hopefully it's a cracked tile - I've a few spares.

Luckily the ceiling damage is above a wall cupboard, so not
immediately apparent. Although now it's got wet, presumably the
plasterboard is going to need replacement ?

Hmmmm - despite it continuing to rain, the water has stopped. I'm
starting to wonder, given the location, if it's possible the gulley
(valley ?) where there's a 90degree join in the roof (it's an "L"
shaped bungalow) simply couldn't carry the water away fast enough,
and it backed up and spilled over the tiles to leak into the loft. It
was a freak downpour - truly monsoon proportions.

It's highly unlikely to have been the gutter - water can't back twio feet up
a roof regardless of how hard it rains.

Even less possibility if you have soffits, here, I've done a pic:
http://tinypic.com/r/2mdgxn7/6

How close to the wall was the leak? - unless it was running down the inside
wall, you've got a roof that needs looking at.

On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 20:04:03 +0100, Phil L wrote:

Jethro_uk wrote:
On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:01:50 +0000, Jethro_uk wrote:

Working away, and the sky went black (in Birmingham) - had to put the
lights on. Then a thunderstorm with what can only be described as a
cloudburst. Rain so heavy it was overflowing everyones guttering.

Then a dismal cry from the Mrs in the kitchen ... there was water all
over the units. Quick step onto a ladder revealed it was seeping
through the ceiling plasterboard. I did some quick surgery with an
awl, and collected about 500ml in a bowl.

Grrrrrrrrrr !!!!!!!!

Roofing is one thing I can't do - even on a bungalow (head for
heights), so a call has gone out to our friendly roofer who did a
grand job on our gulleys last year.

Hopefully it's a cracked tile - I've a few spares.

Luckily the ceiling damage is above a wall cupboard, so not
immediately apparent. Although now it's got wet, presumably the
plasterboard is going to need replacement ?

Hmmmm - despite it continuing to rain, the water has stopped. I'm
starting to wonder, given the location, if it's possible the gulley
(valley ?) where there's a 90degree join in the roof (it's an "L"
shaped bungalow) simply couldn't carry the water away fast enough, and
it backed up and spilled over the tiles to leak into the loft. It was a
freak downpour - truly monsoon proportions.

It's highly unlikely to have been the gutter - water can't back twio
feet up a roof regardless of how hard it rains.

Even less possibility if you have soffits, here, I've done a pic:
http://tinypic.com/r/2mdgxn7/6

How close to the wall was the leak? - unless it was running down the
inside wall, you've got a roof that needs looking at.

Maybe I didn't explain properly. I said *gulley* (or valley, I believe)
where two roofs meet at 90 degrees, and a channel is fashioned out of
lead and mortar sloping (in our case) down at about 30 degrees. It can
only carry so much water - any excess will simply back up and run between
the slates.

Have a roofer coming tomorrow, so see what his opinion is.