tony sayer wrote:


I'm sure there are a lot on here who have this experience with digital
TV reception of pix freezes and pixelation which is distracting, but it
doesn't usually case a complete pix mute. If it did for a lot of people
digital TV reception and radio for that matter would be neigh on
impossible..


Horses for courses?



However the difference between 'fully error corrected' and 'garbled
mess' with digital is only a few dB S/N.

The actual width of the 'degraded but watchable' area is very narrow,
which is why its like falling off a digital cliff.


--
To people who know nothing, anything is possible.
To people who know too much, it is a sad fact
that they know how little is really possible -
and how hard it is to achieve it.

tony sayer wrote

Contrary to what people might believe there isn't a
clean transition between perfectly OK to not OK at all.

There is with the ALL OF THE COUNTRY which was clearly what
was being discussed in the original comment still right at the top.

So you just deleted that from the quoting.

I don't know if you've experienced it but on a Broadcast DAB
system a phenomena known as "bubbling mud" happens when
reception is in this transition phase.

The GSM digital cliff is something else entirely.

The digital "cliff" isn't that well defined.

Wrong.

Some think its the point where bit errors start
to occur, some think its when all the bits fail.

Its neither. Its when the delay sees the base ignore the
receiver it can hear fine because the delay is too great.

In any digital communications system thats anywhere
near practical there will be a system for error correction.

Irrelevant to the digital cliff.

None on the rest of this irrelevant stuff worth
bothering with, all flushed where it belongs.

In article , The Natural Philosopher
scribeth thus
tony sayer wrote:


I'm sure there are a lot on here who have this experience with digital
TV reception of pix freezes and pixelation which is distracting, but it
doesn't usually case a complete pix mute. If it did for a lot of people
digital TV reception and radio for that matter would be neigh on
impossible..


Horses for courses?



However the difference between 'fully error corrected' and 'garbled
mess' with digital is only a few dB S/N.

The actual width of the 'degraded but watchable' area is very narrow,
which is why its like falling off a digital cliff.



Indeed it is the degradation is there is with analogue but is down to
how much error acceptance will be tolerated and how good the error
correction actually is, and that can be a variable in some digital
broadcast systems..

--
Tony Sayer

In article , Rod Speed
scribeth thus
tony sayer wrote

Contrary to what people might believe there isn't a
clean transition between perfectly OK to not OK at all.

There is with the ALL OF THE COUNTRY which was clearly what
was being discussed in the original comment still right at the top.

So you just deleted that from the quoting.

Makes no odds. There are two differing things here one is a timing issue
which is inherent in a GSM digital communications system as here..

http://www.gsmfordummies.com/timing/timing.shtml

The other is where the signal contains too many bit errors that decoding
it is problematic as can be found in poor reception pockets of coverage
such as say a hilly area where it would simply be uneconomic to fill in
every part of the required area.

That can apply with One way and Two way comms..

Even around here in the flat "is"h parts of East Anglia there are
several such "holes" in deemed covered areas. Same as with Broadcast
Radio and TV....


I don't know if you've experienced it but on a Broadcast DAB
system a phenomena known as "bubbling mud" happens when
reception is in this transition phase.

The GSM digital cliff is something else entirely.

The digital "cliff" isn't that well defined.

Wrong.

Some think its the point where bit errors start
to occur, some think its when all the bits fail.

Its neither. Its when the delay sees the base ignore the
receiver it can hear fine because the delay is too great.

In any digital communications system thats anywhere
near practical there will be a system for error correction.

Irrelevant to the digital cliff.

None on the rest of this irrelevant stuff worth
bothering with, all flushed where it belongs.


So you've gorne orrf the cliff then...
--
Tony Sayer

"tony sayer" wrote in message
...
In article , Rod Speed
scribeth thus
tony sayer wrote

Contrary to what people might believe there isn't a
clean transition between perfectly OK to not OK at all.

There is with the ALL OF THE COUNTRY which was clearly what
was being discussed in the original comment still right at the top.

So you just deleted that from the quoting.

Makes no odds.

Corse it does.

There are two differing things here one is a timing issue which
is inherent in a GSM digital communications system as here..

And that’s the ONLY one that is relevant to the digital cliff
seen in the situation that was clearly being discussed in the
quoting you carefully deleted.

none of the rest that has nothing to do with what was
being discussed in the stuff at the top that you deleted
from the quoting worth even reading. Its no news to me

In article , Rod Speed
scribeth thus


"tony sayer" wrote in message
...
In article , Rod Speed
scribeth thus
tony sayer wrote

Contrary to what people might believe there isn't a
clean transition between perfectly OK to not OK at all.

There is with the ALL OF THE COUNTRY which was clearly what
was being discussed in the original comment still right at the top.

So you just deleted that from the quoting.

Makes no odds.



Corse it does.


I think this explains it all. In accordance with the rulings of the flat
earth society everything is upside down in Oz hence the
misinterpretation of the ways we see and term things in the upper
hemisphere, were most all digital systems were invented')...

--
Tony Sayer

tony sayer writes:

In article , The Natural Philosopher
scribeth thus
tony sayer wrote:


I'm sure there are a lot on here who have this experience with digital
TV reception of pix freezes and pixelation which is distracting, but it
doesn't usually case a complete pix mute. If it did for a lot of people
digital TV reception and radio for that matter would be neigh on
impossible..


Horses for courses?



However the difference between 'fully error corrected' and 'garbled
mess' with digital is only a few dB S/N.

The actual width of the 'degraded but watchable' area is very narrow,
which is why its like falling off a digital cliff.



Indeed it is the degradation is there is with analogue but is down to
how much error acceptance will be tolerated and how good the error
correction actually is, and that can be a variable in some digital
broadcast systems..

Is there much variation in the ability of digital receivers to perform
any necessary error correction?
I have gathered that CD and DVD players can vary a bit in this regard.


--
Windmill, Use t m i l l
J.R.R. Tolkien:- @ O n e t e l . c o m
All that is gold does not glister / Not all who wander are lost

On 27/06/2012 12:55 Paul D Smith wrote:

That's clever - how do you demultiplex the FM/DAB/TV/Sat at the other
end or do you still need an individual cable per input?

With something like the 'Multiple decombiner plate by Triax' (item
304109) at http://www.satcure.co.uk/tech/wallplates.htm

--
F

tony sayer wrote
just the juvenile **** it always ends up with when
its got done like a ****ing dinner, as it always is.

In article , Rod Speed
scribeth thus
tony sayer wrote
just the juvenile **** it always ends up with when
its got done like a ****ing dinner, as it always is.





BTW what has Oz ever invented in the telecoms field?.

Broadcast radio or TV, Digital comms, Sat comms, Phones even.
--
Tony Sayer

In article , Windmill spam-no-
lid scribeth thus
tony sayer writes:

In article , The Natural Philosopher
scribeth thus
tony sayer wrote:


I'm sure there are a lot on here who have this experience with digital
TV reception of pix freezes and pixelation which is distracting, but it
doesn't usually case a complete pix mute. If it did for a lot of people
digital TV reception and radio for that matter would be neigh on
impossible..


Horses for courses?



However the difference between 'fully error corrected' and 'garbled
mess' with digital is only a few dB S/N.

The actual width of the 'degraded but watchable' area is very narrow,
which is why its like falling off a digital cliff.



Indeed it is the degradation is there is with analogue but is down to
how much error acceptance will be tolerated and how good the error
correction actually is, and that can be a variable in some digital
broadcast systems..

Is there much variation in the ability of digital receivers to perform
any necessary error correction?
I have gathered that CD and DVD players can vary a bit in this regard.



Yes sometimes depending on the software used and sometimes like T-DAB
the amount of capacity given over for more robust error correction.
Something about it here.,

Note also that the oft maligned "Digital cliff" is mentioned due this
upper hemisphere to signal level, whilst in the southern hemisphere its
due to distance away ...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital...casting#Error-
correction_coding
--
Tony Sayer

tony sayer wrote

BTW what has Oz ever invented in the telecoms field?.

Broadcast radio or TV, Digital comms, Sat comms, Phones even.

wifi. Eat your heart out, ****wit.

In article ,
tony sayer wrote:
In article , Rod Speed
scribeth thus
tony sayer wrote
just the juvenile **** it always ends up with when
its got done like a ****ing dinner, as it always is.





BTW what has Oz ever invented in the telecoms field?.

Broadcast radio or TV, Digital comms, Sat comms, Phones even.

Neighbours?

Kylie Minogue?

--
From KT24

Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18

On 28/06/2012 13:30, Rick Hughes wrote:
On 27/06/2012 07:51, Caecilius wrote:
I'll soon be wiring a new house, and I want to install some
communication cabling at the same time. It's a small two-bedroomed


I wrote sect in UK Selfbuild FAQ that may be of use.

For myself I decided on a Node zero position ...
Ran 2 x Cat6 to every room

Having just acquired an iPad, I realise I need to improve the WiFi to
the loo...

rest of good stuff snipped

On Thu, 5 Jul 2012 21:26:06 +0100, tony sayer
wrote:

BTW what has Oz ever invented in the telecoms field?.

Broadcast radio or TV, Digital comms, Sat comms, Phones even.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_O%...%28engineer%29

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/aust...-1226316861762

http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/governm...331-1w5dy.html

Wodney is still a prize inbred knut though.


--

tony sayer wrote:
In article , Rod Speed
scribeth thus
tony sayer wrote
just the juvenile **** it always ends up with when
its got done like a ****ing dinner, as it always is.





BTW what has Oz ever invented in the telecoms field?.


The dinner gong made out of an oildrum, and the didgeridoo

Broadcast radio or TV, Digital comms, Sat comms, Phones even.


--
To people who know nothing, anything is possible.
To people who know too much, it is a sad fact
that they know how little is really possible -
and how hard it is to achieve it.

In article , Rod Speed
scribeth thus
tony sayer wrote

BTW what has Oz ever invented in the telecoms field?.

Broadcast radio or TV, Digital comms, Sat comms, Phones even.

wifi. Eat your heart out, ****wit.

Read the question. It said Invented...

It did not invent Wi-fi ...

There was an adoption of OFDM which had been around years..




http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2...ie-government-
invented-wifi-and-sued-its-way-to-430-million/2/
--
Tony Sayer

tony sayer wrote
Rod Speed wrote
tony sayer wrote

BTW what has Oz ever invented in the telecoms field?.

Broadcast radio or TV, Digital comms, Sat comms, Phones even.

wifi. Eat your heart out, ****wit.

Read the question.

No point, I know what it said.

It said Invented...

You quite sure you aint one of those rocket scientist terminal ****wits ?

It did not invent Wi-fi ...

Wrong, as always.

In article , Rod Speed
scribeth thus
tony sayer wrote
Rod Speed wrote
tony sayer wrote

BTW what has Oz ever invented in the telecoms field?.

Broadcast radio or TV, Digital comms, Sat comms, Phones even.

wifi. Eat your heart out, ****wit.

Read the question.

No point, I know what it said.

It said Invented...

You quite sure you aint one of those rocket scientist terminal ****wits ?

You sure you can read and understand the Queen's English?..

It did not invent Wi-fi ...

Wrong, as always.


http://www.wilcorpinc.com/wifi_history.htm


Wi-Fi. What is it?

Following are a few facts about WiFi:
History

Back in 1991 Wi-Fi was invented by NCR Corporation/AT&T (later on Lucent &
Agere Systems) in Nieuwegein, the Netherlands. Initially meant for cashier
systems the first wireless products were brought on the market under the name
WaveLAN with speeds of 1Mbps/2Mbps. Vic Hayes who is the inventor of Wi-Fi has
been named 'father of Wi-Fi' and was with his team involved in designing
standards such as IEEE 802.11b, 802.11a and 802.11g. In 2003, Vic retired from
Agere Systems. Agere Systems suffered from strong competition in the market
even though their products were cutting edge, as many opted for cheaper Wi-Fi
solutions. Agere's 802.11abg all-in-one chipset (code named: WARP) never hit
the market, Agere Systems decided to quit the Wi-Fi market in late 2004.
--
Tony Sayer

On 07/07/2012 12:52, tony sayer wrote:
Wi-Fi. What is it?

Following are a few facts about WiFi:
History

Back in 1991 Wi-Fi was invented by NCR Corporation/AT&T (later on Lucent &
Agere Systems) in Nieuwegein, the Netherlands.

Nah, it was Hedwig Eva Maria Kiesler, an Austrian.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedy_Lamarr

--
Adrian C

On Sat, 07 Jul 2012 19:14:42 +0100, Adrian C wrote:

Back in 1991 Wi-Fi was invented by NCR Corporation/AT&T (later on
Lucent & Agere Systems) in Nieuwegein, the Netherlands.

Nah, it was Hedwig Eva Maria Kiesler, an Austrian.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedy_Lamarr

That's more the basis of GSM etc rather than WiFi. Even though WiFi is
spread spectrum I don't think it's frequency hopping as well.

--
Cheers
Dave.

Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Sat, 07 Jul 2012 19:14:42 +0100, Adrian C wrote:

Back in 1991 Wi-Fi was invented by NCR Corporation/AT&T (later on
Lucent & Agere Systems) in Nieuwegein, the Netherlands.
Nah, it was Hedwig Eva Maria Kiesler, an Austrian.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedy_Lamarr

That's more the basis of GSM etc rather than WiFi. Even though WiFi is
spread spectrum I don't think it's frequency hopping as well.

Not normally no.

But most of the chipsets used can.

--
To people who know nothing, anything is possible.
To people who know too much, it is a sad fact
that they know how little is really possible -
and how hard it is to achieve it.

tony sayer wrote
Rod Speed wrote
tony sayer wrote
Rod Speed wrote
tony sayer wrote

BTW what has Oz ever invented in the telecoms field?.

Broadcast radio or TV, Digital comms, Sat comms, Phones even.

wifi. Eat your heart out, ****wit.

Read the question.

No point, I know what it said.

It said Invented...

You quite sure you aint one of those rocket scientist terminal ****wits ?

You sure you can read and understand the Queen's English?..

It did not invent Wi-fi ...

Wrong, as always.

http://www.wilcorpinc.com/wifi_history.htm

Wi-Fi. What is it?

Following are a few facts about WiFi:
History

Back in 1991 Wi-Fi was invented by NCR Corporation/AT&T (later on Lucent &
Agere Systems) in Nieuwegein, the Netherlands. Initially meant for cashier
systems the first wireless products were brought on the market under the
name
WaveLAN with speeds of 1Mbps/2Mbps. Vic Hayes who is the inventor of Wi-Fi
has
been named 'father of Wi-Fi' and was with his team involved in designing
standards such as IEEE 802.11b, 802.11a and 802.11g. In 2003, Vic retired
from
Agere Systems. Agere Systems suffered from strong competition in the
market
even though their products were cutting edge, as many opted for cheaper
Wi-Fi
solutions. Agere's 802.11abg all-in-one chipset (code named: WARP) never
hit
the market, Agere Systems decided to quit the Wi-Fi market in late 2004.

Pity about
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wi-Fi#History

What got patented qualifys for your original, ****wit.

In article , Adrian C
scribeth thus
On 07/07/2012 12:52, tony sayer wrote:
Wi-Fi. What is it?

Following are a few facts about WiFi:
History

Back in 1991 Wi-Fi was invented by NCR Corporation/AT&T (later on Lucent &
Agere Systems) in Nieuwegein, the Netherlands.

Nah, it was Hedwig Eva Maria Kiesler, an Austrian.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedy_Lamarr


Still not the original inventor;!..

--
Tony Sayer

tony sayer wrote
Adrian C wrote
tony sayer wrote

Wi-Fi. What is it?

Following are a few facts about WiFi:
History

Back in 1991 Wi-Fi was invented by NCR Corporation/AT&T
(later on Lucent & Agere Systems) in Nieuwegein, the Netherlands.

Nah, it was Hedwig Eva Maria Kiesler, an Austrian.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedy_Lamarr

Still not the original inventor;!..

You were the only one obsessed about the original inventor.

Nothing like your original demand that saw you with egg all
over your silly little face, as always.

In article , Rod Speed
scribeth thus
tony sayer wrote
Adrian C wrote
tony sayer wrote

Wi-Fi. What is it?

Following are a few facts about WiFi:
History

Back in 1991 Wi-Fi was invented by NCR Corporation/AT&T
(later on Lucent & Agere Systems) in Nieuwegein, the Netherlands.

Nah, it was Hedwig Eva Maria Kiesler, an Austrian.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedy_Lamarr

Still not the original inventor;!..

You were the only one obsessed about the original inventor.

Nothing like your original demand that saw you with egg all
over your silly little face, as always.

I said what had Australia Invented in the digital communications field
right?.

You replied wi-fi which they clearly didn't Invent.

They did a useful modification but they didn't invent Wi-fi.

Simple.

Now I suppose we shall have all the usual Aussie abuse when they get
proven wrong..

Never mind..
--
Tony Sayer

tony sayer wrote
Rod wrote
tony sayer wrote
Adrian C wrote
tony sayer wrote

Wi-Fi. What is it?

Following are a few facts about WiFi:
History

Back in 1991 Wi-Fi was invented by NCR Corporation/AT&T
(later on Lucent & Agere Systems) in Nieuwegein, the Netherlands.

Nah, it was Hedwig Eva Maria Kiesler, an Austrian.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedy_Lamarr

Still not the original inventor;!..

You were the only one obsessed about the original inventor.

Nothing like your original demand that saw you
with egg al lover your silly little face, as always.

I said what had Australia Invented in the digital communications field
right?.

And what got patented for wifi qualifys, ****wit.

In article , Rod Speed
scribeth thus
tony sayer wrote
Rod wrote
tony sayer wrote
Adrian C wrote
tony sayer wrote

Wi-Fi. What is it?

Following are a few facts about WiFi:
History

Back in 1991 Wi-Fi was invented by NCR Corporation/AT&T
(later on Lucent & Agere Systems) in Nieuwegein, the Netherlands.

Nah, it was Hedwig Eva Maria Kiesler, an Austrian.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedy_Lamarr

Still not the original inventor;!..

You were the only one obsessed about the original inventor.

Nothing like your original demand that saw you
with egg al lover your silly little face, as always.

I said what had Australia Invented in the digital communications field
right?.


And what got patented for wifi qualifys, ****wit.



Look up the difference betwixt Invented and Patented..

They are Two different words, right;?.

The original statement from you was Australia invented Wi-fi..

Not so, as several other posts will testify to. What did happen is they
devised a method of overcoming multipath interference and patented that.
It was a variant of ODFM that had been around for some time..

A different matter..

--
Tony Sayer

"tony sayer" wrote in message
...
In article , Rod Speed
scribeth thus
tony sayer wrote
Rod wrote
tony sayer wrote
Adrian C wrote
tony sayer wrote

Wi-Fi. What is it?

Following are a few facts about WiFi:
History

Back in 1991 Wi-Fi was invented by NCR Corporation/AT&T
(later on Lucent & Agere Systems) in Nieuwegein, the Netherlands.

Nah, it was Hedwig Eva Maria Kiesler, an Austrian.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedy_Lamarr

Still not the original inventor;!..

You were the only one obsessed about the original inventor.

Nothing like your original demand that saw you
with egg al lover your silly little face, as always.

I said what had Australia Invented in the digital communications field
right?.


And what got patented for wifi qualifys, ****wit.

Look up the difference betwixt Invented and Patented..

Look up what can be patented, ****wit.

In article , Rod Speed
scribeth thus


"tony sayer" wrote in message
...
In article , Rod Speed
scribeth thus
tony sayer wrote
Rod wrote
tony sayer wrote
Adrian C wrote
tony sayer wrote

Wi-Fi. What is it?

Following are a few facts about WiFi:
History

Back in 1991 Wi-Fi was invented by NCR Corporation/AT&T
(later on Lucent & Agere Systems) in Nieuwegein, the Netherlands.

Nah, it was Hedwig Eva Maria Kiesler, an Austrian.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedy_Lamarr

Still not the original inventor;!..

You were the only one obsessed about the original inventor.

Nothing like your original demand that saw you
with egg al lover your silly little face, as always.

I said what had Australia Invented in the digital communications field
right?.


And what got patented for wifi qualifys, ****wit.

Look up the difference betwixt Invented and Patented..

Look up what can be patented, ****wit.



Stop changing the subject.

Who invented wi-fi.

Is a difference to who devised a method that improved its performance.

There is a clear difference...

But I don't expect you to see that..

--
Tony Sayer

"tony sayer" wrote in message
...
In article , Rod Speed
scribeth thus


"tony sayer" wrote in message
...
In article , Rod Speed
scribeth thus
tony sayer wrote
Rod wrote
tony sayer wrote
Adrian C wrote
tony sayer wrote

Wi-Fi. What is it?

Following are a few facts about WiFi:
History

Back in 1991 Wi-Fi was invented by NCR Corporation/AT&T
(later on Lucent & Agere Systems) in Nieuwegein, the Netherlands.

Nah, it was Hedwig Eva Maria Kiesler, an Austrian.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedy_Lamarr

Still not the original inventor;!..

You were the only one obsessed about the original inventor.

Nothing like your original demand that saw you
with egg al lover your silly little face, as always.

I said what had Australia Invented in the digital communications field
right?.


And what got patented for wifi qualifys, ****wit.

Look up the difference betwixt Invented and Patented..

Look up what can be patented, ****wit.

Stop changing the subject.

Everyone can see for themselves that you are lying, like you
always do when you have got done like a ****ing dinner,
as you always are.

Wi-Fi. What is it?

Following are a few facts about WiFi:
History

Back in 1991 Wi-Fi was invented by NCR Corporation/AT&T
(later on Lucent & Agere Systems) in Nieuwegein, the Netherlands.

Nah, it was Hedwig Eva Maria Kiesler, an Austrian.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedy_Lamarr

Still not the original inventor;!..

You were the only one obsessed about the original inventor.

Nothing like your original demand that saw you
with egg al lover your silly little face, as always.

I said what had Australia Invented in the digital communications field
right?.


And what got patented for wifi qualifys, ****wit.

Look up the difference betwixt Invented and Patented..

Look up what can be patented, ****wit.

Stop changing the subject.

Everyone can see for themselves that you are lying, like you
always do when you have got done like a ****ing dinner,
as you always are.




It seems to be a characteristic of Aussies to get abusive when they are
proved wrong.

I take it you must know Phil Allison who does go off on one or two most
of the time on uk.rec.audio;!.

Those of a sensitive disposition don't click this link;-/...


http://groups.google.com/group/uk.re.../thread/1ffdc7
7fb91ed407/24a2d28a8dffed47?lnk=gst&q=phil+alison+#24a2d28a8d ffed47
--
Tony Sayer

Some terminal ****wit claiming to be tony sayer
desperately attempted to bull**** and lie its way out of its predicament
and fooled absolutely no one at all, as always.

On 11/07/2012 09:53, tony sayer wrote:


It seems to be a characteristic of Aussies to get abusive when they are
proved wrong.

I take it you must know Phil Allison who does go off on one or two most
of the time on uk.rec.audio;!.


Seems similar ;-)

Those of a sensitive disposition don't click this link;-/...


http://groups.google.com/group/uk.re.../thread/1ffdc7
7fb91ed407/24a2d28a8dffed47?lnk=gst&q=phil+alison+#24a2d28a8d ffed47


Tony, just killfile the twerp....

--
Adrian C

tony sayer writes:

In article , Windmill spam-no-
scribeth thus

Is there much variation in the ability of digital receivers to perform
any necessary error correction?
I have gathered that CD and DVD players can vary a bit in this regard.


Yes sometimes depending on the software used and sometimes like T-DAB
the amount of capacity given over for more robust error correction.
Something about it here.,

Note also that the oft maligned "Digital cliff" is mentioned due this
upper hemisphere to signal level, whilst in the southern hemisphere its
due to distance away ...

I'm not sure if it's fair to wind up Australians. Too much like
shooting fish in a barrel. Unsporting. ;-)
[ But if it had been aimed at the Kiwis of Fletcher Challenge, I'd have
said 'right on!' That company asset-stripped several large Canadian
forestry companies ]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital...casting#Error-
correction_coding

That's a good if (to me) partly incomprehensible article. I understand
the principle of a simple error-correcting code, but the mathematics of
real codes is completely beyond me, as I found out long ago when trying
to fathom a book on ECC from the Vancouver Public Library, back before
an earlier repression and a merger deprived me of a computer centre job
and forced a return to the UK.
Lucky that one can more or less follow what is said in the article even
without a proper grasp of ECC.



--
Windmill, Use t m i l l
J.R.R. Tolkien:- @ O n e t e l . c o m
All that is gold does not glister / Not all who wander are lost

In article , Adrian C
scribeth thus
On 11/07/2012 09:53, tony sayer wrote:


It seems to be a characteristic of Aussies to get abusive when they are
proved wrong.

I take it you must know Phil Allison who does go off on one or two most
of the time on uk.rec.audio;!.


Seems similar ;-)

Those of a sensitive disposition don't click this link;-/...


http://groups.google.com/group/uk.re.../thread/1ffdc7
7fb91ed407/24a2d28a8dffed47?lnk=gst&q=phil+alison+#24a2d28a8d ffed47


Tony, just killfile the twerp....

Yes save the contents of UK DIY the bother of his illiterate insults...


Amen to that...
--
Tony Sayer

In article ,
Martin Bonner scribeth thus
On Monday, 9 July 2012 13:52:30 UTC+1, tony sayer wrote:
Now I suppose we shall have all the usual Aussie abuse when they get
proven wrong..

That's not fair. You can't blame all Aussies just because they have at least
one idiot. (It's not like we haven't got any idiots in this hemisphere.)

Well most all the Oz aussies I've come across on usenet get shall we say
rather abusive easily.

Ever read the rantings of Phil Allison;?..
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Tony Sayer

"tony sayer" wrote in message
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Martin Bonner scribeth thus
On Monday, 9 July 2012 13:52:30 UTC+1, tony sayer wrote:
Now I suppose we shall have all the usual Aussie abuse when they get
proven wrong..

That's not fair. You can't blame all Aussies just because they have at
least
one idiot. (It's not like we haven't got any idiots in this hemisphere.)

Well most all the Oz aussies I've come across on usenet get shall we say
rather abusive easily.

Ever read the rantings of Phil Allison;?..

Just one fool, cretin.