Alan Deane wrote
Rod Speed wrote

Using some decent software on the image from the IP
camera makes a hell of a lot more sense than farting
around with a separate PIR and sticky tape, ****wit.

I use this with my IP cameras:
http://www.pysoft.com/ActiveWebCamMainpage.htm

It runs on a low spec Atom based PC, and can be configured
to email / ftp video or photos as required when it detects
movement in the areas you specify.

Yeah, only way to go IMO with the exception of a better IP camera
that can have something like that running in it with the bit of the image
monitored settable in the same way and with a decent logic sequence
in software that's the only way to eliminate false triggering properly.

Its mad to be farting around with a separate PIR and masking tape instead.

On Tue, 29 May 2012 20:07:49 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:

Some gutless ****wit desperately cowering behind
Jim K wrote just the puerile
**** any 2 year old could leave for dead.


You are indeed, some silly kid with his dick in his hand.

Rod K
http://www.sensationbot.com/jschat.php?db=rodspeed

On Tue, 29 May 2012 20:34:53 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:

Alan Deane wrote
Rod Speed wrote

Using some decent software on the image from the IP camera makes a
hell of a lot more sense than farting around with a separate PIR and
sticky tape, ****wit.

I use this with my IP cameras:
http://www.pysoft.com/ActiveWebCamMainpage.htm

It runs on a low spec Atom based PC, and can be configured to email /
ftp video or photos as required when it detects movement in the areas
you specify.

Yeah, only way to go IMO with the exception of a better IP camera
that can have something like that running in it with the bit of the
image monitored settable in the same way and with a decent logic
sequence in software that's the only way to eliminate false triggering
properly. Its mad to be farting around with a separate PIR and masking
tape instead.

so what cams ya got Rodders??

you couldn't bull**** your way out of a wet paper bag boy.

Rod K
http://www.sensationbot.com/jschat.php?db=rodspeed

Some gutless ****wit desperately cowering behind
Jim K wrote just the puerile
**** any 2 year old could leave for dead.

"Jim K" wrote in message
news
On Tue, 29 May 2012 10:07:33 +0100, dennis@home
wrote:



"Jim K" wrote in message
news
getting Pd off with motion detecing IP cams sending 100s of emails of
moving bushes and sunshine/shade changes.

One of the IP cams has 2 channels for I/O - so I'm pondering how to
send a signal to it to take a snap when something goes across the cam;s
field of view.

PIR would be perfect but a very narrow "beam" is required to make sure
I get the subject in the centre of the frame... and the IP cam is not
going to be happy with 240v up its I/O - so ???

low voltage PIR? what from where?

a normal 240v PIR and some sort of a relay?

something else?

Arbor disk in angle grinder or a chain saw.

right..... "inspired & sectionable" Dennis rides in

So you don't want to remove the trees and shrubs you think are causing the
problem?


There are IP cameras with built in PIR detectors.
They don't work through glass.

MMM I already have the cameras with I/O capability - I want to cobble up a
triggering method ...OK?

New cameras might be cheaper and more reliable.
As might be a DVR

En el artículo , Jim K
escribió:

so what cams ya got Rodders??

He hasn't. He's full of ****.

Rod Speed FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/883xp7v

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"Mike Tomlinson" wrote in message
...
En el artículo , Jim K
escribió:

so what cams ya got Rodders??

He hasn't. He's full of ****.

Rod Speed FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/883xp7v

And prolly hasn't had'em for 40 years.

On Tue, 29 May 2012 20:56:35 +0100, dennis@home
wrote:



"Jim K" wrote in message
news
On Tue, 29 May 2012 10:07:33 +0100, dennis@home
wrote:



"Jim K" wrote in message
news getting Pd off with motion detecing IP cams sending 100s of emails of
moving bushes and sunshine/shade changes.

One of the IP cams has 2 channels for I/O - so I'm pondering how to
send a signal to it to take a snap when something goes across the
cam;s field of view.

PIR would be perfect but a very narrow "beam" is required to make
sure I get the subject in the centre of the frame... and the IP cam
is not going to be happy with 240v up its I/O - so ???

low voltage PIR? what from where?

a normal 240v PIR and some sort of a relay?

something else?

Arbor disk in angle grinder or a chain saw.

right..... "inspired & sectionable" Dennis rides in

So you don't want to remove the trees and shrubs you think are causing
the problem?

do you think it will work on clouds too?


There are IP cameras with built in PIR detectors.
They don't work through glass.

MMM I already have the cameras with I/O capability - I want to cobble
up a triggering method ...OK?

New cameras might be cheaper and more reliable.
As might be a DVR

might & might..... right thanks Dennis, back to bed with you.

Jim K

On 29/05/2012 20:35, Jim K wrote:
On Tue, 29 May 2012 20:07:49 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:

Some gutless ****wit desperately cowering behind
Jim K wrote just the puerile
**** any 2 year old could leave for dead.


You are indeed, some silly kid with his dick in his hand.

I always figured dickless... obviously overcompensating for something.


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Some gutless ****wit desperately cowering behind
Jim K wrote just the puerile
**** any 2 year old could leave for dead.

FOR ;)

Rod Speed wrote:
Some gutless ****wit desperately cowering behind
Jim K wrote just the puerile
**** any 2 year old could leave for dead.

You have used the "purile **** any 2 year old could leave for dead" on one
another post where you were wrong.

However it is a difficult post to find as I am searching "All posts when Ron
Speed is wrong" and I will now have to read every post you have ever made.




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On Tue, 29 May 2012 21:30:18 +0100, John Rumm
wrote:

On 29/05/2012 20:35, Jim K wrote:
On Tue, 29 May 2012 20:07:49 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:

Some gutless ****wit desperately cowering behind
Jim K wrote just the puerile
**** any 2 year old could leave for dead.


You are indeed, some silly kid with his dick in his hand.

I always figured dickless... obviously overcompensating for something.

ooh that's deep... as I presume under those circumstances no-one has ever
said to "Rod"....

Jim K

En el artículo om,
scorched escribió:

And prolly hasn't had sex for 40 years.

Corrected that for you.

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On 29/05/2012 21:49, Jim K wrote:
On Tue, 29 May 2012 21:30:18 +0100, John Rumm
wrote:

On 29/05/2012 20:35, Jim K wrote:
On Tue, 29 May 2012 20:07:49 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:

Some gutless ****wit desperately cowering behind
Jim K wrote just the puerile
**** any 2 year old could leave for dead.


You are indeed, some silly kid with his dick in his hand.

I always figured dickless... obviously overcompensating for something.

ooh that's deep... as I presume under those circumstances no-one has
ever said to "Rod"....

He chose "Rod", I bet someone else chose "speed"!


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John Rumm wrote:
On 29/05/2012 20:35, Jim K wrote:
On Tue, 29 May 2012 20:07:49 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:

Some gutless ****wit desperately cowering behind
Jim K wrote just the puerile
**** any 2 year old could leave for dead.


You are indeed, some silly kid with his dick in his hand.

I always figured dickless... obviously overcompensating for something.



Odd how we can have different views.

I assusmed he is full of dick.

Probably spit roasted as we speak.


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"Jim K" wrote in message
news
might & might..... right thanks Dennis, back to bed with you.

Shame, I was just going to post
http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Safe.../sd2759/p16489

You will need to protect it from rain by using an open fronted box.


Or you could use
http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Safe.../sd2759/p93261
and a 12v supply and/or relay.

Like I said a new camera may be cheaper
http://www.networkwebcams.co.uk/prod...roducts_id=753 in the long
run.

On 29/05/2012 22:42, ARWadsworth wrote:
John Rumm wrote:
On 29/05/2012 20:35, Jim K wrote:
On Tue, 29 May 2012 20:07:49 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:

Some gutless ****wit desperately cowering behind
Jim wrote just the puerile
**** any 2 year old could leave for dead.


You are indeed, some silly kid with his dick in his hand.

I always figured dickless... obviously overcompensating for something.



Odd how we can have different views.

I assusmed he is full of dick.

Probably spit roasted as we speak.

Well you know how those ozzies like a barbi...


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On May 29, 10:58*pm, "dennis@home"
wrote:
"Jim K" wrote in message

news
might & might..... right thanks Dennis, back to bed with you.

Shame, I was just going to posthttp://www.toolstation.com/shop/Safety+Security/Burglar+Alarms/Dual+T...

You will need to protect it from rain by using an open fronted box.

Or you could usehttp://www.toolstation.com/shop/Safety+Security/Burglar+Alarms/Exteri...
and a 12v supply and/or relay.

Like I said a new camera may be cheaperhttp://www.networkwebcams.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=753in the long
run.

John`s relay logic is clever but CJ suggested Quad PIR in about post
4, which is what a quad PIR does

http://www.future-mag.com/0710/071032.asp

mebbe we are the google groups users ;-)

Dennis has a good point about PIRs not seeing through glass, or
acrylic or polycarbonate, no matter how thin it blocks the PIR, only
thing found that was IR transparent was polythene and going by CJ
presumably PET plastic.

Have an ancient Motorola Homesight setup , PIR operated cams , usb
hub, cams were meant to be indoor use only, thought would mount in
floodlight housings, they do, but not with the glass on...

Ended up sealing obvious seams with silicone and mounting cams in
flood housings with no glass, now lasted over 4 years through 2 severe
winters with snow piled on them, floodlight housing is good cam mount,
had to point out to other regular users of area that cams were there ,
becomes part of the scenery.

They caught fuzzy images of last 2 intruders, enough to give cops
exact time and relative size and build of hoodies involved that and
individual bolt croppers apparently leave a dsitinctive unique cut,
probably out of the young offenders now.

After that upgraded to DVR and more cams (and more locks), including
one in door viewer for that close up. Avtech DVR`s are cheap and have
phone apps for remote viewing,

Though DVR has all the motion detection whingdings use the old moto
for checking to see if need anything more detailed from the DVR.

Wired current cams with CAT5 baluns specifically with power, video and
audio, not interested in audio but leaves a spare pair for wiring PIR
to alarm inputs on DVR.

Most PIRs seem to be 2 part case and lens, after way Motos have stood
up to driving rain and snow for years reckon 12V interior PIR with a
smidge of silicone should last OK, at the current cost annual
replacement would be fine.

If its a deterrent or they face on to publicly accesible areas warning
signs are a necessity.

Cheers
Adam

En el artículo , ARWadsworth adamwadsworth@
blueyonder.co.uk escribió:

Probably spit roasted as we speak.

New keyboard please.

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On Wed, 30 May 2012 00:07:25 +0100, Adam Aglionby
wrote:

John`s relay logic is clever but CJ suggested Quad PIR in about post
4, which is what a quad PIR does

http://www.future-mag.com/0710/071032.asp

mebbe we are the google groups users ;-)

it showed up OK I just didn't get what he was on about in post 4 ;)

Dennis has a good point about PIRs not seeing through glass, or
acrylic or polycarbonate, no matter how thin it blocks the PIR, only
thing found that was IR transparent was polythene and going by CJ
presumably PET plastic.

Have an ancient Motorola Homesight setup , PIR operated cams , usb
hub, cams were meant to be indoor use only, thought would mount in
floodlight housings, they do, but not with the glass on...

Ended up sealing obvious seams with silicone and mounting cams in
flood housings with no glass, now lasted over 4 years through 2 severe
winters with snow piled on them, floodlight housing is good cam mount,
had to point out to other regular users of area that cams were there ,
becomes part of the scenery.

They caught fuzzy images of last 2 intruders, enough to give cops
exact time and relative size and build of hoodies involved that and
individual bolt croppers apparently leave a dsitinctive unique cut,
probably out of the young offenders now.

After that upgraded to DVR and more cams (and more locks), including
one in door viewer for that close up. Avtech DVR`s are cheap and have
phone apps for remote viewing,

Though DVR has all the motion detection whingdings use the old moto
for checking to see if need anything more detailed from the DVR.

indeed my (naturally) "cheapo but worko fineo" older HDD recorder based
CCTV system does a similar job recording constantly, I use the IP cams to
alert me to any (more) incidents that deserve scrutiny, saving hours of
possibly pointless footage review.

Wired current cams with CAT5 baluns specifically with power, video and
audio, not interested in audio but leaves a spare pair for wiring PIR
to alarm inputs on DVR.

Most PIRs seem to be 2 part case and lens, after way Motos have stood
up to driving rain and snow for years reckon 12V interior PIR with a
smidge of silicone should last OK, at the current cost annual
replacement would be fine.

Yup that seems a good way to begin experiments.

If its a deterrent or they face on to publicly accesible areas warning
signs are a necessity.

necessary for what? ....in practical terms?

Cheers
Jim K

On May 30, 10:50*pm, "Jim K" wrote:
On Wed, 30 May 2012 00:07:25 +0100, Adam Aglionby
wrote:

John`s relay logic is clever but CJ suggested Quad PIR in about post
4, which is what a quad PIR does

http://www.future-mag.com/0710/071032.asp

mebbe we are the google groups users *;-)

it showed up OK I just didn't get what he was on about in post 4 ;)









Dennis has a good point about PIRs not seeing through glass, or
acrylic or polycarbonate, no matter how thin it blocks the PIR, only
thing found that was IR transparent was polythene and going by CJ
presumably PET plastic.

Have an ancient Motorola Homesight setup , PIR operated cams , usb
hub, cams were meant to be indoor use only, thought would mount in
floodlight housings, they do, but not with the glass on...

Ended up sealing obvious seams with silicone and mounting cams in
flood housings with no glass, now lasted over 4 years through 2 severe
winters with snow piled on them, floodlight housing is good cam mount,
had to point out to other regular users of area that cams were there ,
becomes part of the scenery.

They caught fuzzy images of last 2 intruders, enough to give cops
exact time and relative size and build of hoodies involved that and
individual bolt croppers apparently leave a dsitinctive unique cut,
probably out of the young offenders now.

After that upgraded to DVR and more cams (and more locks), including
one in door viewer for that close up. Avtech DVR`s are cheap and have
phone apps for remote viewing,

Though DVR has all the motion detection whingdings use the old moto
for checking to see if *need anything more detailed from the DVR.

indeed my (naturally) "cheapo but worko fineo" older HDD recorder based
CCTV system does a similar job recording constantly, I use the IP cams to
alert me to any (more) incidents that deserve scrutiny, saving hours of
possibly pointless footage review.

Wired current cams with CAT5 baluns specifically with power, video and
audio, not interested in audio but leaves a spare pair for wiring PIR
to alarm inputs on DVR.
Most PIRs seem to be 2 part case and lens, after way Motos have stood
up to driving rain and snow for years reckon 12V interior PIR with a
smidge of silicone should last OK, at the current cost annual
replacement would be fine.

Yup that seems a good way to begin experiments.

If its a deterrent or they face on to publicly accesible areas warning
signs are a necessity.

necessary for what? ....in practical terms?

In practical terms, mate long time ago, karakoe host , van full of
karakoe gear in drive, Mrs`s car backed against doors nose against
garage door, CCTV on corner of house, suburban semi, covering drive
into street.

Crims smash drivers window in car roll it back , force van doors and
steal several grands worth of karakoe equipment. Most of it caught on
CCTV.

Cops main reaction is concern that karakoe man has CCTV facing onto a
public street without signage and a contact number.

http://www.online-sign.com and a laminator

and

http://www.sipgate.co.uk for a local sounding contact number.

Cheers
Adam



Cheers
Jim K

necessary for what? ....in practical terms?

In practical terms, mate long time ago, karakoe host , van full of
karakoe gear in drive, Mrs`s car backed against doors nose against
garage door, CCTV on corner of house, suburban semi, covering drive
into street.

Crims smash drivers window in car roll it back , force van doors and
steal several grands worth of karakoe equipment. Most of it caught on
CCTV.

Cops main reaction is concern that karakoe man has CCTV facing onto a
public street without signage and a contact number.

http://www.online-sign.com and a laminator


Thats a handy site...


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On May 31, 8:55*am, tony sayer wrote:
necessary for what? ....in practical terms?

In practical terms, mate long time ago, karakoe host , van full of
karakoe gear in drive, Mrs`s car backed against doors nose against
garage door, CCTV on corner of house, suburban semi, covering drive
into street.

Crims smash drivers window in car roll it back , force van doors and
steal several grands worth of karakoe equipment. Most of it caught on
CCTV.

Cops main reaction is concern that karakoe man has CCTV facing onto a
public street without signage and a contact number.

http://www.online-sign.comand a laminator

Thats a handy site...

There is even some practical as well as comedy uses for it ;-)

http://www.diagram.ly

can save as SVG which can be handy, also free.

Cheers
Adam


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On Wed, 30 May 2012 16:06:54 -0700 (PDT)
Adam Aglionby wrote:

On May 30, 10:50Â*pm, "Jim K" wrote:
On Wed, 30 May 2012 00:07:25 +0100, Adam Aglionby
wrote:

John`s relay logic is clever but CJ suggested Quad PIR in about
post 4, which is what a quad PIR does

http://www.future-mag.com/0710/071032.asp

mebbe we are the google groups users Â*;-)

it showed up OK I just didn't get what he was on about in post 4 ;)









Dennis has a good point about PIRs not seeing through glass, or
acrylic or polycarbonate, no matter how thin it blocks the PIR,
only thing found that was IR transparent was polythene and going
by CJ presumably PET plastic.

Have an ancient Motorola Homesight setup , PIR operated cams , usb
hub, cams were meant to be indoor use only, thought would mount in
floodlight housings, they do, but not with the glass on...

Ended up sealing obvious seams with silicone and mounting cams in
flood housings with no glass, now lasted over 4 years through 2
severe winters with snow piled on them, floodlight housing is
good cam mount, had to point out to other regular users of area
that cams were there , becomes part of the scenery.

They caught fuzzy images of last 2 intruders, enough to give cops
exact time and relative size and build of hoodies involved that
and individual bolt croppers apparently leave a dsitinctive
unique cut, probably out of the young offenders now.

After that upgraded to DVR and more cams (and more locks),
including one in door viewer for that close up. Avtech DVR`s are
cheap and have phone apps for remote viewing,

Though DVR has all the motion detection whingdings use the old
moto for checking to see if Â*need anything more detailed from the
DVR.

indeed my (naturally) "cheapo but worko fineo" older HDD recorder
based CCTV system does a similar job recording constantly, I use
the IP cams to alert me to any (more) incidents that deserve
scrutiny, saving hours of possibly pointless footage review.

Wired current cams with CAT5 baluns specifically with power,
video and audio, not interested in audio but leaves a spare pair
for wiring PIR to alarm inputs on DVR.
Most PIRs seem to be 2 part case and lens, after way Motos have
stood up to driving rain and snow for years reckon 12V interior
PIR with a smidge of silicone should last OK, at the current cost
annual replacement would be fine.

Yup that seems a good way to begin experiments.

If its a deterrent or they face on to publicly accesible areas
warning signs are a necessity.

necessary for what? ....in practical terms?

In practical terms, mate long time ago, karakoe host , van full of
karakoe gear in drive, Mrs`s car backed against doors nose against
garage door, CCTV on corner of house, suburban semi, covering drive
into street.

Crims smash drivers window in car roll it back , force van doors and
steal several grands worth of karakoe equipment. Most of it caught on
CCTV.

Cops main reaction is concern that karakoe man has CCTV facing onto a
public street without signage and a contact number.

http://www.online-sign.com and a laminator

and

http://www.sipgate.co.uk for a local sounding contact number.

Cheers
Adam



Cheers
Jim K


Just looked at a CCTV FAQ site, and it says that if the camera is there
for the purpose of protecting a private building from something such as
burglary, the standard signage requirements don't apply. I don't see
hwy that wouldn't cover a van as well. As usual, the local coppers may
not know the details of the law, only the general rules.
Google:
uk cctv laws
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On May 29, 1:31*pm, "Jim K" wrote:
On Tue, 29 May 2012 13:13:51 +0100, Grimly Curmudgeon
wrote:

On Mon, 28 May 2012 23:30:00 +0100, "Jim K"
wrote:

Yeah, decent software that allows you to specify a subset of the
camera view to monitor for movement and is smart enough to
not be triggered by sunshine/shade changes due to small clouds
passing the sun etc.

mmm unlikely as the IP cams are firmware based, run on cut down unix
tghus
unable to upload "better software" to....

Actually, RodHead has it right. My ActiveWebcam software on the PC
will detect motion within any user-specified perimeter on the video
frame. Makes no difference what type of camera it is.

steady on grimly ;)

yeah I have no doubt that software running 24/7 on a PC analysisng video
feeds from anywhere would allow lots of "precision" titting about and
setting up. But that's not why I went the IP cams route, I went IP cams to
avoid having to rely on a (in my case) old windows PC running 24/7,
relying on it rebooting itself properly after a power cut etc etc etc.

The cams themselves (nearly) do all the work - just this one that needs
help detecting genuine "events" PIR will do nicely just a shurely shimple?
lash up needed to test the theory and then implement?

So which relay do I need? Anyone? (well you know almost anyone ;))

Jim K

Screwfix's stock may have changed but I have two situations where I
have 240v PIR's from them operating parallel switches on to standard
PIR lights - and the relay contacts in the standalone PIR's are volts
free. If Screwfix don't stock them now, then I'm sure there will be
something on the Bay.

One situation is to switch on the front door PIR light with movement
from orthogonal paths, and the second is to switch on the an outside
PIR light when I'm heading out of my workshop.

Rob

On Fri, 01 Jun 2012 09:13:33 +0100, robgraham
wrote:

On May 29, 1:31 pm, "Jim K" wrote:
On Tue, 29 May 2012 13:13:51 +0100, Grimly Curmudgeon

wrote:

On Mon, 28 May 2012 23:30:00 +0100, "Jim K"
wrote:

Yeah, decent software that allows you to specify a subset of the
camera view to monitor for movement and is smart enough to
not be triggered by sunshine/shade changes due to small clouds
passing the sun etc.

mmm unlikely as the IP cams are firmware based, run on cut down unix
tghus
unable to upload "better software" to....

Actually, RodHead has it right. My ActiveWebcam software on the PC
will detect motion within any user-specified perimeter on the video
frame. Makes no difference what type of camera it is.

steady on grimly ;)

yeah I have no doubt that software running 24/7 on a PC analysisng video
feeds from anywhere would allow lots of "precision" titting about and
setting up. But that's not why I went the IP cams route, I went IP cams
to
avoid having to rely on a (in my case) old windows PC running 24/7,
relying on it rebooting itself properly after a power cut etc etc etc.

The cams themselves (nearly) do all the work - just this one that needs
help detecting genuine "events" PIR will do nicely just a shurely
shimple?
lash up needed to test the theory and then implement?

So which relay do I need? Anyone? (well you know almost anyone ;))

Jim K

Screwfix's stock may have changed but I have two situations where I
have 240v PIR's from them operating parallel switches on to standard
PIR lights - and the relay contacts in the standalone PIR's are volts
free.

mmm thanks for that - do yours have a "make" &or "model"? do SF's or
Toolsatan's current stock look like yours?

I've just bought a 12vdc alarm quad PIR (as suggested earlier in the
thread), seems I'll be back as the spec says "alarm" will output 24vdc yet
the IP camera I/O is rated at 5vdc ;#


If Screwfix don't stock them now, then I'm sure there will be
something on the Bay.

I doubt the average ebay vendor would have a clue what I was asking them
;)

Jim K

On Fri, 01 Jun 2012 13:03:24 +0100, Jim K wrote:

I've just bought a 12vdc alarm quad PIR (as suggested earlier in the
thread), seems I'll be back as the spec says "alarm" will output 24vdc
yet the IP camera I/O is rated at 5vdc ;#

How does the "alarm" output generate 24v from a 12v supply?(*). Are
the contacts "voltage free"? I suspect that 24v DC is the maxium
rating they can switch rather than there being 24v present.

What is the camera expecting? Just a switch/contact closure across a
couple of terminals/pins or a voltage? If a voltage that is almsot
certainly going to be available from the camera.

(*) Yes, it could have DC-DC convertor but not very likely in a PIR.

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Dave.

On Fri, 01 Jun 2012 15:20:53 +0100, Dave Liquorice
wrote:

On Fri, 01 Jun 2012 13:03:24 +0100, Jim K wrote:

I've just bought a 12vdc alarm quad PIR (as suggested earlier in the
thread), seems I'll be back as the spec says "alarm" will output 24vdc
yet the IP camera I/O is rated at 5vdc ;#

How does the "alarm" output generate 24v from a 12v supply?(*). Are
the contacts "voltage free"? I suspect that 24v DC is the maxium
rating they can switch rather than there being 24v present.

Dunno yet its not arrived

Jim K

On Jun 1, 1:03*pm, "Jim K" wrote:
On Fri, 01 Jun 2012 09:13:33 +0100, robgraham
wrote:









On May 29, 1:31 pm, "Jim K" wrote:
On Tue, 29 May 2012 13:13:51 +0100, Grimly Curmudgeon

wrote:

On Mon, 28 May 2012 23:30:00 +0100, "Jim K"
wrote:

Yeah, decent software that allows you to specify a subset of the
camera view to monitor for movement and is smart enough to
not be triggered by sunshine/shade changes due to small clouds
passing the sun etc.

mmm unlikely as the IP cams are firmware based, run on cut down unix
tghus
unable to upload "better software" to....

Actually, RodHead has it right. My ActiveWebcam software on the PC
will detect motion within any user-specified perimeter on the video
frame. Makes no difference what type of camera it is.

steady on grimly ;)

yeah I have no doubt that software running 24/7 on a PC analysisng video
feeds from anywhere would allow lots of "precision" titting about and
setting up. But that's not why I went the IP cams route, I went IP cams
to
avoid having to rely on a (in my case) old windows PC running 24/7,
relying on it rebooting itself properly after a power cut etc etc etc.

The cams themselves (nearly) do all the work - just this one that needs
help detecting genuine "events" PIR will do nicely just a shurely
shimple?
lash up needed to test the theory and then implement?

So which relay do I need? Anyone? (well you know almost anyone ;))

Jim K

Screwfix's stock may have changed but I have two situations where I
have 240v PIR's from them operating parallel switches on to standard
PIR lights - and the relay contacts in the standalone PIR's are volts
free.

mmm thanks for that - do yours have a "make" &or "model"? do SF's or
Toolsatan's current stock look like yours?

I've just bought a 12vdc alarm quad PIR (as suggested earlier in the
thread), seems I'll be back as the spec says "alarm" will output 24vdc yet
the IP camera I/O is rated at 5vdc ;#

If Screwfix don't stock them now, then I'm sure there will be
something on the Bay.

I doubt the average ebay vendor would have a clue what I was asking them
;)

Jim K

Jim - the SF current offering (#11291) looks very much like the two I
have. The SF website does give access to the instruction sheet which
includes a UK customer helpline.

Rob

"Adam Aglionby" wrote in message
...

Cops main reaction is concern that karakoe man has CCTV facing onto a
public street without signage and a contact number.

Well if its a business it gives the lawyers a loophole to use if they are
caught.

If its just a residence you don't need the signs.
Its legal for a private individual to take films and/or photos of *anyone*
in a public place.

"Jim K" wrote in message
news
I've just bought a 12vdc alarm quad PIR (as suggested earlier in the
thread), seems I'll be back as the spec says "alarm" will output 24vdc yet
the IP camera I/O is rated at 5vdc ;#

Its more likely that you have misread the instructions.. all the ones I have
seen are 12v supply, a micro switch for the tamer loop and a pair of relay
contacts, volt free, rated at 24V or more.

The camera input will probably be a pair pulled up to 5V via an internal
resistor that you can short to make it switch.

Shame you aren't reading what I say anymore.

On Sat, 2 Jun 2012 08:24:41 +0100, dennis@home wrote:

Its legal for a private individual to take films and/or photos of
*anyone* in a public place.

And of anything from a public place unless there is signage to
contrary like you find around some military installations.

--
Cheers
Dave.

dennis@home wrote:
"Adam Aglionby" wrote in message
...

Cops main reaction is concern that karakoe man has CCTV facing onto
a public street without signage and a contact number.

Well if its a business it gives the lawyers a loophole to use if they
are caught.

If its just a residence you don't need the signs.
Its legal for a private individual to take films and/or photos of
*anyone* in a public place.

So why did you have a fit when a family caught a woman putting their cat
into his wheelie bin by using their CCTV footage?

--
Adam

On Saturday, June 2, 2012 7:14:22 PM UTC+1, wrote:
dennis@home wrote:
"Adam Aglionby" wrote in message
...

Cops main reaction is concern that karakoe man has CCTV facing onto
a public street without signage and a contact number.

Well if its a business it gives the lawyers a loophole to use if they
are caught.

If its just a residence you don't need the signs.
Its legal for a private individual to take films and/or photos of
*anyone* in a public place.

So why did you have a fit when a family caught a woman putting their cat
into his wheelie bin by using their CCTV footage?

--
Adam

fx whistling wind, distant church bell, tumbleweed rolls past /fx
;)
Jim K

"Jim K" wrote in message
...

So why did you have a fit when a family caught a woman putting their cat
into his wheelie bin by using their CCTV footage?

--
Adam

fx whistling wind, distant church bell, tumbleweed rolls past /fx
;)
Jim K

The man is an idiot.
I never said anything about them having cctv, just about posting it on the
internet.
The law is quite clear, you can take pictures and videos of anyone, but it
restricts what you can do with them.

Jim K wrote:
getting Pd off with motion detecing IP cams sending 100s of emails of
moving bushes and sunshine/shade changes.

One of the IP cams has 2 channels for I/O - so I'm pondering how to send a
signal to it to take a snap when something goes across the cam;s field of
view.

PIR would be perfect but a very narrow "beam" is required to make sure I
get the subject in the centre of the frame... and the IP cam is not going
to be happy with 240v up its I/O - so ???

low voltage PIR? what from where?

Somewhere which sells parts for intruder/burglar alarms would be the obvious
place to start looking.

Most likely the 240v unit actually consists of a relay, cheap PSU and a low
voltage unit anyway.