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Just about to set off in the van.
Me "Put your seatbelt on please" Apprentice "It's me that gets the fine, not you, you can't make me" Enough said. -- Adam |
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"ARWadsworth" wrote in message ... Just about to set off in the van. Me "Put your seatbelt on please" Apprentice "It's me that gets the fine, not you, you can't make me" Enough said. Not a loo-tennant is he? |
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ARWadsworth wrote: Just about to set off in the van. Me "Put your seatbelt on please" Apprentice "It's me that gets the fine, not you, you can't make me" Enough said. Not true. The driver is resoponsible for teh front seat passenger - those in the back seats are responsible for themselves. -- From KT24 Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18 |
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charles wrote:
In article , ARWadsworth wrote: Just about to set off in the van. Me "Put your seatbelt on please" Apprentice "It's me that gets the fine, not you, you can't make me" Enough said. Not true. The driver is resoponsible for teh front seat passenger - those in the back seats are responsible for themselves. That is complete rubbish. -- Adam |
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says... charles wrote: In article , ARWadsworth wrote: Just about to set off in the van. Me "Put your seatbelt on please" Apprentice "It's me that gets the fine, not you, you can't make me" Enough said. Not true. The driver is resoponsible for teh front seat passenger - those in the back seats are responsible for themselves. That is complete rubbish. It's also the law. see http://www.lawontheweb.co.uk/Road_Tr...Law/Seat_Belts Front seat passenger - driver's responsibility. Rear seat (adult) passenger - passenger's responsibility. It's different if the passenger is a child for obvious reasons. -- Sam |
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In article , ARWadsworth
writes Just about to set off in the van. Me "Put your seatbelt on please" Apprentice "It's me that gets the fine, not you, you can't make me" Isn't this a repost? Enough said. Presumably after you said, "get out" it was? Definitely a repeat, I remember making the same comment last time (nobody laughed then either . . . .). -- fred it's a ba-na-na . . . . |
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Sam Plusnet wrote:
says... charles wrote: The driver is resoponsible for teh front seat passenger - those in the back seats are responsible for themselves. That is complete rubbish. It's also the law. No, it's rubbish!! see http://www.lawontheweb.co.uk/Road_Tr...Law/Seat_Belts Front seat passenger - driver's responsibility. Rear seat (adult) passenger - passenger's responsibility. From the site you quoted (not that it's authoritative) Adult passengers (14 years and over) Front: Seat belt MUST be worn if available. Rear: Seat belt MUST be worn if available. Responsibility: Passenger For chapter and verse, start at http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2...signature/made and work back to the Road Traffic Act 1988 |
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Sam Plusnet wrote:
In article , says... charles wrote: In article , ARWadsworth wrote: Just about to set off in the van. Me "Put your seatbelt on please" Apprentice "It's me that gets the fine, not you, you can't make me" Enough said. Not true. The driver is resoponsible for teh front seat passenger - those in the back seats are responsible for themselves. That is complete rubbish. It's also the law. see http://www.lawontheweb.co.uk/Road_Tr...Law/Seat_Belts Front seat passenger - driver's responsibility. Rear seat (adult) passenger - passenger's responsibility. It's different if the passenger is a child for obvious reasons. You have just posted a link that contradicts your statement. Anyone over 14 is responsible for wearing their own seat belt. It does not matter if they are sat in the front or back seats. -- Adam |
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fred wrote:
In article , ARWadsworth writes Just about to set off in the van. Me "Put your seatbelt on please" Apprentice "It's me that gets the fine, not you, you can't make me" Isn't this a repost? Enough said. Presumably after you said, "get out" it was? Definitely a repeat, I remember making the same comment last time (nobody laughed then either . . . .). It has happened more than once at work. This time the apprentice was not "my apprentice". They seem to think that vans do not have seatbelt laws or windscreens to smash their face in. About 50% of apprentices seem to think that they do not need to wear seatbelts. -- Adam |
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On 12/03/2012 18:35, ARWadsworth wrote:
Just about to set off in the van. Me "Put your seatbelt on please" Apprentice "It's me that gets the fine, not you, you can't make me" Enough said. Given that you regularly grumble about your apprentices, do you still take a few on every year or will the current ones be your last lot? Just intrigued that's all as many companies claimed to have given up with apprentices based on their poor experience with them. Also, would you consider getting apprentices through a training provider like JTL? -- David |
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On 12/03/2012 20:07, gremlin_95 wrote:
On 12/03/2012 18:35, ARWadsworth wrote: Just about to set off in the van. Me "Put your seatbelt on please" Apprentice "It's me that gets the fine, not you, you can't make me" Enough said. Given that you regularly grumble about your apprentices, do you still take a few on every year or will the current ones be your last lot? Just intrigued that's all as many companies claimed to have given up with apprentices based on their poor experience with them. Also, would you consider getting apprentices through a training provider like JTL? I'm waiting for the reality TV show. -- Adrian C |
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Sam Plusnet wrote:
In article , says... Sam Plusnet wrote: In article , says... charles wrote: In article , ARWadsworth wrote: Just about to set off in the van. Me "Put your seatbelt on please" Apprentice "It's me that gets the fine, not you, you can't make me" Enough said. Not true. The driver is resoponsible for teh front seat passenger - those in the back seats are responsible for themselves. That is complete rubbish. It's also the law. see http://www.lawontheweb.co.uk/Road_Tr...Law/Seat_Belts Front seat passenger - driver's responsibility. Rear seat (adult) passenger - passenger's responsibility. It's different if the passenger is a child for obvious reasons. You have just posted a link that contradicts your statement. Anyone over 14 is responsible for wearing their own seat belt. It does not matter if they are sat in the front or back seats. Look again at the "Who is responsible" column. In every case it is the driver who is responsible. The one exception is for an adult rear seat passenger - there the passenger is responsible. You are either a thick **** or you suffer from dyslexia (and that is not an easy word to spell). -- Adam |
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On Monday, March 12, 2012 8:13:15 PM UTC, Adrian C wrote:
On 12/03/2012 20:07, gremlin_95 wrote: On 12/03/2012 18:35, ARWadsworth wrote: Just about to set off in the van. Me "Put your seatbelt on please" Apprentice "It's me that gets the fine, not you, you can't make me" Enough said. Given that you regularly grumble about your apprentices, do you still take a few on every year or will the current ones be your last lot? Just intrigued that's all as many companies claimed to have given up with apprentices based on their poor experience with them. Also, would you consider getting apprentices through a training provider like JTL? I'm waiting for the reality TV show. -- Adrian C shurely surreality? ;)) Jim K |
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gremlin_95 wrote:
On 12/03/2012 18:35, ARWadsworth wrote: Just about to set off in the van. Me "Put your seatbelt on please" Apprentice "It's me that gets the fine, not you, you can't make me" Enough said. Given that you regularly grumble about your apprentices, do you still take a few on every year Per year? This firm (not mine) can hire and fire them at rate of 2 or 3 a month. If you find a good one then you keep them. The skill is in finding the good ones - there is much hidden potential out there. -- Adam |
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ARWadsworth wrote:
charles wrote: In article , ARWadsworth wrote: Just about to set off in the van. Me "Put your seatbelt on please" Apprentice "It's me that gets the fine, not you, you can't make me" Enough said. Not true. The driver is resoponsible for teh front seat passenger - those in the back seats are responsible for themselves. That is complete rubbish. the driver is responsible for the front seat passengers at least. Not sure about the rear -- To people who know nothing, anything is possible. To people who know too much, it is a sad fact that they know how little is really possible - and how hard it is to achieve it. |
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ARWadsworth wrote:
Sam Plusnet wrote: In article , says... Sam Plusnet wrote: In article , says... charles wrote: In article , ARWadsworth wrote: Just about to set off in the van. Me "Put your seatbelt on please" Apprentice "It's me that gets the fine, not you, you can't make me" Enough said. Not true. The driver is resoponsible for teh front seat passenger - those in the back seats are responsible for themselves. That is complete rubbish. It's also the law. see http://www.lawontheweb.co.uk/Road_Tr...Law/Seat_Belts Front seat passenger - driver's responsibility. Rear seat (adult) passenger - passenger's responsibility. It's different if the passenger is a child for obvious reasons. You have just posted a link that contradicts your statement. Anyone over 14 is responsible for wearing their own seat belt. It does not matter if they are sat in the front or back seats. Look again at the "Who is responsible" column. In every case it is the driver who is responsible. The one exception is for an adult rear seat passenger - there the passenger is responsible. You are either a thick **** or you suffer from dyslexia (and that is not an easy word to spell). Well I cannot see how you can disagree with what he says because that is precisely what the site says. Driver always responsible except for adult rear seat passengers You are either a thick **** or you suffer from dyslexia (and that is not an easy word to spell). I cant say that is the current law, but that is what that site says -- To people who know nothing, anything is possible. To people who know too much, it is a sad fact that they know how little is really possible - and how hard it is to achieve it. |
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The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Driver always responsible except for adult rear seat passengers Depends how you read the columns, what makes you think the 4th column only applies to the corresponding row in the 3rd column, rather than the age/height of the person from the 1st column? Granted the various statutory instruments, acts and amendments are difficult to get straight on line, but is this clear and definitive enough for you and Sam? http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAn...ice/DG_4022064 "Anyone travelling in the vehicle aged 14 years and above is responsible for wearing their seat belt" |
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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message ... ARWadsworth wrote: Sam Plusnet wrote: In article , says... Sam Plusnet wrote: In article , says... charles wrote: In article , ARWadsworth wrote: Just about to set off in the van. Me "Put your seatbelt on please" Apprentice "It's me that gets the fine, not you, you can't make me" Enough said. Not true. The driver is resoponsible for teh front seat passenger - those in the back seats are responsible for themselves. That is complete rubbish. It's also the law. see http://www.lawontheweb.co.uk/Road_Tr...Law/Seat_Belts Front seat passenger - driver's responsibility. Rear seat (adult) passenger - passenger's responsibility. It's different if the passenger is a child for obvious reasons. You have just posted a link that contradicts your statement. Anyone over 14 is responsible for wearing their own seat belt. It does not matter if they are sat in the front or back seats. Look again at the "Who is responsible" column. In every case it is the driver who is responsible. The one exception is for an adult rear seat passenger - there the passenger is responsible. You are either a thick **** or you suffer from dyslexia (and that is not an easy word to spell). Well I cannot see how you can disagree with what he says because that is precisely what the site says. Driver always responsible except for adult rear seat passengers You are either a thick **** or you suffer from dyslexia (and that is not an easy word to spell). I cant say that is the current law, but that is what that site says I must be going blind or something. The bottom entry in that table says that adults, front or rear, must use belts if available, the passenger is responsible. |
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The Natural Philosopher wrote:
ARWadsworth wrote: Sam Plusnet wrote: In article , says... Sam Plusnet wrote: In article , says... charles wrote: In article , ARWadsworth wrote: Just about to set off in the van. Me "Put your seatbelt on please" Apprentice "It's me that gets the fine, not you, you can't make me" Enough said. Not true. The driver is resoponsible for teh front seat passenger - those in the back seats are responsible for themselves. That is complete rubbish. It's also the law. see http://www.lawontheweb.co.uk/Road_Tr...Law/Seat_Belts Front seat passenger - driver's responsibility. Rear seat (adult) passenger - passenger's responsibility. It's different if the passenger is a child for obvious reasons. You have just posted a link that contradicts your statement. Anyone over 14 is responsible for wearing their own seat belt. It does not matter if they are sat in the front or back seats. Look again at the "Who is responsible" column. In every case it is the driver who is responsible. The one exception is for an adult rear seat passenger - there the passenger is responsible. You are either a thick **** or you suffer from dyslexia (and that is not an easy word to spell). Well I cannot see how you can disagree with what he says because that is precisely what the site says. Driver always responsible except for adult rear seat passengers You are either a thick **** or you suffer from dyslexia (and that is not an easy word to spell). I cant say that is the current law, but that is what that site says It looks like only I and Andy Burns can read then. -- Adam |
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On 12/03/2012 20:14, Sam Plusnet wrote:
In , says... Sam Plusnet wrote: In , says... charles wrote: In , wrote: Just about to set off in the van. Me "Put your seatbelt on please" Apprentice "It's me that gets the fine, not you, you can't make me" Enough said. Not true. The driver is resoponsible for teh front seat passenger - those in the back seats are responsible for themselves. That is complete rubbish. It's also the law. see http://www.lawontheweb.co.uk/Road_Tr...Law/Seat_Belts Front seat passenger - driver's responsibility. Rear seat (adult) passenger - passenger's responsibility. It's different if the passenger is a child for obvious reasons. You have just posted a link that contradicts your statement. Anyone over 14 is responsible for wearing their own seat belt. It does not matter if they are sat in the front or back seats. Look again at the "Who is responsible" column. In every case it is the driver who is responsible. The one exception is for an adult rear seat passenger - there the passenger is responsible. You're wrong - you may need to read it more carefully, but it doesn't say what you think it says. You've got three basic choices of action, which are a) acknowledge your mistake, b) ignore it but don't say any more on the subject and c) carry on insisting you're right. The first will get you most credit, the last will merely lead to people thinking you're an idiot. |
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Clive George wrote:
On 12/03/2012 20:14, Sam Plusnet wrote: In , says... Sam Plusnet wrote: In , says... charles wrote: In , wrote: Just about to set off in the van. Me "Put your seatbelt on please" Apprentice "It's me that gets the fine, not you, you can't make me" Enough said. Not true. The driver is resoponsible for teh front seat passenger - those in the back seats are responsible for themselves. That is complete rubbish. It's also the law. see http://www.lawontheweb.co.uk/Road_Tr...Law/Seat_Belts Front seat passenger - driver's responsibility. Rear seat (adult) passenger - passenger's responsibility. It's different if the passenger is a child for obvious reasons. You have just posted a link that contradicts your statement. Anyone over 14 is responsible for wearing their own seat belt. It does not matter if they are sat in the front or back seats. Look again at the "Who is responsible" column. In every case it is the driver who is responsible. The one exception is for an adult rear seat passenger - there the passenger is responsible. You're wrong - you may need to read it more carefully, but it doesn't say what you think it says. You've got three basic choices of action, which are a) acknowledge your mistake, b) ignore it but don't say any more on the subject and c) carry on insisting you're right. The first will get you most credit, the last will merely lead to people thinking you're an idiot. The table does seem to make an assumption that the driver is actually sat in a front seat:-) -- Adam |
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The Natural Philosopher wrote:
ARWadsworth wrote: Sam Plusnet wrote: In article , says... Sam Plusnet wrote: In article , says... charles wrote: In article , ARWadsworth wrote: Just about to set off in the van. Me "Put your seatbelt on please" Apprentice "It's me that gets the fine, not you, you can't make me" Enough said. Not true. The driver is resoponsible for teh front seat passenger - those in the back seats are responsible for themselves. That is complete rubbish. It's also the law. see http://www.lawontheweb.co.uk/Road_Tr...Law/Seat_Belts I cant say that is the current law, but that is what that site says Nope, last row ... "Adult passengers (ie 14 years and over) Seat belt MUST be worn if available. Seat belt MUST be worn if available. Passenger" ie anyone over 14 is responsible for their own seatbelt .. The driver is responsible for himself and any children in the car, wherever they sit. -- Paul - xxx Mark cavendish Danny Hart British Cycling World Champions 2011 |
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"ARWadsworth" wrote in message ... gremlin_95 wrote: On 12/03/2012 18:35, ARWadsworth wrote: Just about to set off in the van. Me "Put your seatbelt on please" Apprentice "It's me that gets the fine, not you, you can't make me" Enough said. Given that you regularly grumble about your apprentices, do you still take a few on every year Per year? This firm (not mine) can hire and fire them at rate of 2 or 3 a month. If you find a good one then you keep them. The skill is in finding the good ones - there is much hidden potential out there. -- Adam Seems to me that the main problem here is one of 'attitude'. If jobs are reportedly so scarce then you would think that apprentices would have more respect for their 'elders'. |
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Wesley wrote:
"ARWadsworth" wrote in message ... gremlin_95 wrote: On 12/03/2012 18:35, ARWadsworth wrote: Just about to set off in the van. Me "Put your seatbelt on please" Apprentice "It's me that gets the fine, not you, you can't make me" Enough said. Given that you regularly grumble about your apprentices, do you still take a few on every year Per year? This firm (not mine) can hire and fire them at rate of 2 or 3 a month. If you find a good one then you keep them. The skill is in finding the good ones - there is much hidden potential out there. -- Adam Seems to me that the main problem here is one of 'attitude'. If jobs are reportedly so scarce then you would think that apprentices would have more respect for their 'elders'. Are you calling me old? -- Adam |
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On 12/03/2012 18:35, ARWadsworth wrote:
Just about to set off in the van. Me "Put your seatbelt on please" Apprentice "It's me that gets the fine, not you, you can't make me" Enough said. "Its you that gets to walk home if you don't" seems fitting ;-) -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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ARWadsworth wrote:
Just about to set off in the van. Me "Put your seatbelt on please" Apprentice "It's me that gets the fine, not you, you can't make me" Enough said. That sounds like a general attitude problem. Bill |
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Owain wrote:
On Mar 12, 7:53 pm, "ARWadsworth" wrote: It has happened more than once at work. This time the apprentice was not "my apprentice". They seem to think that vans do not have seatbelt laws or windscreens to smash their face in. About 50% of apprentices seem to think that they do not need to wear seatbelts. If it's a work vehicle then presumably you're responsible for enforcing a safe system of work, and they could sue you if they did go through the windscreen and you'd let them travel without the seatbelt? Owain Just two questions - how do you enforce that "safe system of work"? And surely the 'charge' should be the refusal to wear the obligatory piece of Personal Protective Equipment (PPE) - i.e the safety harness holding him to the seat of the vehicle *OR* the wearing of a protective helmet and full-face visor? Ah well, apprentices will be apprentices I suppose (but how the f**k can 25 year-olds+ be called an apprentices that really is the question?) |
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On 12/03/2012 23:39, Unbeliever wrote:
Owain wrote: On Mar 12, 7:53 pm, "ARWadsworth" wrote: It has happened more than once at work. This time the apprentice was not "my apprentice". They seem to think that vans do not have seatbelt laws or windscreens to smash their face in. About 50% of apprentices seem to think that they do not need to wear seatbelts. If it's a work vehicle then presumably you're responsible for enforcing a safe system of work, and they could sue you if they did go through the windscreen and you'd let them travel without the seatbelt? Owain Just two questions - how do you enforce that "safe system of work"? Same as any other H+S requirement at work. If they don't do what's mandated, anything from an informal warning to instant dismissal depending on work policy and severity. If you're asking how do you enforce eg wearing a seatbelt when there's no supervision, the answer varies. Most people wouldn't try, but if eg HSE noticed a company had a large number of injuries caused by crashes while not wearing a belt, they would demand something be done. First step would be training, and if people still ignored the rule, you'd need more drastic measures. Options include in-car/van monitoring (eg a camera?), not allowing people to travel by car/van, stuff like that. Fortunately people tend not to be dim enough to let it get that far. |
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Owain wrote:
As they probably didn't do shoelaces until about 12 ... Can they use a knife and fork? Bill |
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En el artículo , ARWadsworth adamwadsworth@
blueyonder.co.uk escribió: You are either a thick **** or you suffer from dyslexia (and that is not an easy word to spell). Careful now. You'll have another one running to his mummy. -- (\_/) (='.'=) (")_(") |
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In article , Mike Tomlinson
writes En el artículo , ARWadsworth adamwadsworth@ blueyonder.co.uk escribió: You are either a thick **** or you suffer from dyslexia (and that is not an easy word to spell). Careful now. You'll have another one running to his mummy. Well, walking at least. -- fred it's a ba-na-na . . . . |
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On 12/03/2012 20:52, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
ARWadsworth wrote: Sam Plusnet wrote: In article , says... Sam Plusnet wrote: In article , says... charles wrote: In article , ARWadsworth wrote: Just about to set off in the van. Me "Put your seatbelt on please" Apprentice "It's me that gets the fine, not you, you can't make me" Enough said. Not true. The driver is resoponsible for teh front seat passenger - those in the back seats are responsible for themselves. That is complete rubbish. It's also the law. see http://www.lawontheweb.co.uk/Road_Tr...Law/Seat_Belts Front seat passenger - driver's responsibility. Rear seat (adult) passenger - passenger's responsibility. It's different if the passenger is a child for obvious reasons. You have just posted a link that contradicts your statement. Anyone over 14 is responsible for wearing their own seat belt. It does not matter if they are sat in the front or back seats. Look again at the "Who is responsible" column. In every case it is the driver who is responsible. The one exception is for an adult rear seat passenger - there the passenger is responsible. You are either a thick **** or you suffer from dyslexia (and that is not an easy word to spell). Well I cannot see how you can disagree with what he says because that is precisely what the site says. Driver always responsible except for adult rear seat passengers Says nothing of the sort - reread the final row of the table. Rob |
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On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 00:28:37 +0000, Bill Wright wrote:
As they probably didn't do shoelaces until about 12 ... Shoe laces are not tied these days but left loose and tucked into the side of the trainer. Can they use a knife and fork? You don't need a knife and fork for burger and fries or pizza. -- Cheers Dave. |
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On Mar 12, 8:20*pm, "ARWadsworth"
wrote: Sam Plusnet wrote: In article , says... Sam Plusnet wrote: In article , says... charles wrote: In article , * ARWadsworth wrote: Just about to set off in the van. Me "Put your seatbelt on please" Apprentice "It's me that gets the fine, not you, you can't make me" Enough said. Not true. The driver is resoponsible for teh front seat passenger - those in the back seats are responsible for themselves. That is complete rubbish. It's also the law. see *http://www.lawontheweb.co.uk/Road_Tr...Law/Seat_Belts Front seat passenger - driver's responsibility. Rear seat (adult) passenger - passenger's responsibility. It's different if the passenger is a child for obvious reasons. You have just posted a link that contradicts your statement. Anyone over 14 is responsible for wearing their own seat belt. It does not matter if they are sat in the front or back seats. Look again at the "Who is responsible" column. In every case it is the driver who is responsible. The one exception is for an adult rear seat passenger - there the passenger is responsible. You are either a thick **** or you suffer from dyslexia (and that is not an easy word to spell). No Adam he's right, that's how it reads. |
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harry wrote:
You are either a thick **** or you suffer from dyslexia No Adam he's right, that's how it reads. Has everyone swallowed a dumb pill? Lets look closely http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Highwaycode/DG_069855#X0Y0 *IF* the 4th column of the 5th row refers to the person from the 1st column sitting in the location specified in the 3rd column... then what meaning does the 1st row have? And what about the version for the hard of thinking? http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Roadsafetyadvice/DG_4022064 "Anyone travelling in the vehicle aged 14 years and above is responsible for wearing their seat belt" |
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harry wrote:
On Mar 12, 8:20 pm, "ARWadsworth" wrote: Sam Plusnet wrote: In article , says... Sam Plusnet wrote: In article , says... charles wrote: In article , ARWadsworth wrote: Just about to set off in the van. Me "Put your seatbelt on please" Apprentice "It's me that gets the fine, not you, you can't make me" Enough said. Not true. The driver is resoponsible for teh front seat passenger - those in the back seats are responsible for themselves. That is complete rubbish. It's also the law. see http://www.lawontheweb.co.uk/Road_Tr...Law/Seat_Belts Front seat passenger - driver's responsibility. Rear seat (adult) passenger - passenger's responsibility. It's different if the passenger is a child for obvious reasons. You have just posted a link that contradicts your statement. Anyone over 14 is responsible for wearing their own seat belt. It does not matter if they are sat in the front or back seats. Look again at the "Who is responsible" column. In every case it is the driver who is responsible. The one exception is for an adult rear seat passenger - there the passenger is responsible. You are either a thick **** or you suffer from dyslexia (and that is not an easy word to spell). No Adam he's right, that's how it reads. Fail. Tim |
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ARWadsworth wrote:
It looks like only I and Andy Burns can read then. I haven't bothered reading it, but it was always my understanding the driver is responsible for kids and adults for themselves. I did not recall 14 being the cut off age - I would have assumed 16, but near enough... -- Tim Watts |
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Owain wrote:
On Mar 12, 7:53 pm, "ARWadsworth" wrote: It has happened more than once at work. This time the apprentice was not "my apprentice". They seem to think that vans do not have seatbelt laws or windscreens to smash their face in. About 50% of apprentices seem to think that they do not need to wear seatbelts. If it's a work vehicle then presumably you're responsible for enforcing a safe system of work, and they could sue you if they did go through the windscreen and you'd let them travel without the seatbelt? Owain Good point - I do believe Adam could insist the apprentice wears steel toe capped boots, hi-viz vest and gloves if he wishes to. It would nto be illegal not to, but it could be in breach of employment of Adam if it is stated as a requirement up front (cf building sites). Non compliance = justified disciplinary. -- Tim Watts |
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On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 18:35:16 -0000, "ARWadsworth"
wrote: Just about to set off in the van. Me "Put your seatbelt on please" Apprentice "It's me that gets the fine, not you, you can't make me" Enough said. Obviously you must be a really smooth driver. Make a few panic stops at random and rearrange his face on the screen, maybe post the video to Youtube :) -- |
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