It looks very much as though the 'other' dial in gridwatch is in fact
two out of three biomass (wood pellet) burners that represent the 'new'
Tilbury power station (the one the greens want to close IIRC).

http://www.rwe.com/web/cms/en/120351...neration-data/

They were due to come onstream this winter and it looks like they have.


So: at this snapshot in time -

'Renewable energy' is comprised of:

Hydro 878MW
Wood burning 510MW
Wind 34MW
PV 0MW

about 1400MW

We are exporting more than that to the continent and total demand is
56.5GW..

So less than 0.1% of demand is being met by wind power...and absolutely
nothing from solar PV.

On 06/02/12 17:50, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
It looks very much as though the 'other' dial in gridwatch is in fact
two out of three biomass (wood pellet) burners that represent the 'new'
Tilbury power station (the one the greens want to close IIRC).

http://www.rwe.com/web/cms/en/120351...neration-data/


They were due to come onstream this winter and it looks like they have.


So: at this snapshot in time -

'Renewable energy' is comprised of:

Hydro 878MW
Wood burning 510MW
Wind 34MW
PV 0MW

about 1400MW

We are exporting more than that to the continent and total demand is
56.5GW..

So less than 0.1% of demand is being met by wind power...and absolutely
nothing from solar PV.

Well it looks like there's going to be another 700MW 8 miles off
Brighton beach.

http://www.eon-uk.com/generation/rampion.aspx

Bloody fantastic !

Andy C

En el artículo , The Natural Philosopher
escribió:

Wood burning 510MW

That's a lot of wood. Is it the stuff that gets collected in recycling
centres (tips to you and me) ?

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On Mon, 06 Feb 2012 18:05:47 +0000, Andy Cap wrote:

On 06/02/12 17:50, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
It looks very much as though the 'other' dial in gridwatch is in fact
two out of three biomass (wood pellet) burners that represent the 'new'
Tilbury power station (the one the greens want to close IIRC).

http://www.rwe.com/web/cms/en/120351...-drive/united-
kingdom/generation-data/


They were due to come onstream this winter and it looks like they have.


So: at this snapshot in time -

'Renewable energy' is comprised of:

Hydro 878MW
Wood burning 510MW
Wind 34MW
PV 0MW

about 1400MW

We are exporting more than that to the continent and total demand is
56.5GW..

So less than 0.1% of demand is being met by wind power...and absolutely
nothing from solar PV.

Well it looks like there's going to be another 700MW 8 miles off
Brighton beach.

http://www.eon-uk.com/generation/rampion.aspx

Bloody fantastic !

We already have them off our coast. And more coming.

No advantage in mving back to Brighton for me, then!



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On Mon, 6 Feb 2012 18:22:56 +0000, Mike Tomlinson
wrote:

En el artículo , The Natural Philosopher
escribió:

Wood burning 510MW

That's a lot of wood. Is it the stuff that gets collected in recycling
centres (tips to you and me) ?

No. That'll be trees that are imported from foreign parts.

Biomass is a decidedly non-green form of generation. The UK can't
produce anything like enough material to feed them, so most of it is
imported, maybe from well managed woods, maybe not. The emission
quality is also rather suspect.

Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artÃ*culo , The Natural Philosopher
escribió:

Wood burning 510MW

That's a lot of wood. Is it the stuff that gets collected in recycling
centres (tips to you and me) ?

I dunno - its says its wood pellets so presumably sawdust recycled as
briquettes or something.

Andy Cap wrote:
On 06/02/12 17:50, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
It looks very much as though the 'other' dial in gridwatch is in fact
two out of three biomass (wood pellet) burners that represent the 'new'
Tilbury power station (the one the greens want to close IIRC).

http://www.rwe.com/web/cms/en/120351...neration-data/



They were due to come onstream this winter and it looks like they have.


So: at this snapshot in time -

'Renewable energy' is comprised of:

Hydro 878MW
Wood burning 510MW
Wind 34MW
PV 0MW

about 1400MW

We are exporting more than that to the continent and total demand is
56.5GW..

So less than 0.1% of demand is being met by wind power...and absolutely
nothing from solar PV.

Well it looks like there's going to be another 700MW 8 miles off
Brighton beach.

http://www.eon-uk.com/generation/rampion.aspx

Bloody fantastic !


Fantasy yes...

they will generate nothing but subsidy.


Andy C

En el artículo , Bob Eager
escribió:

We already have them off our coast. And more coming.

No advantage in mving back to Brighton for me, then!

Back feed 'em in summer. Hey presto, air con for the whole town ;-)

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On Mon, 06 Feb 2012 17:50:41 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

It looks very much as though the 'other' dial in gridwatch is in fact
two out of three biomass (wood pellet) burners that represent the 'new'
Tilbury power station (the one the greens want to close IIRC).

http://www.rwe.com/web/cms/en/120351...neration-data/

They were due to come onstream this winter and it looks like they have.

One more snippet I picked up from a contact.

There is a difference between what RWE report for Tilbury and what
gets reported in 'other' at bmreports. I've seen about 60MW
difference, even when on steady load,

The Eon owned "Steven's Croft" at Lockerbie is Biomass, rated at
44MW and accounts for some of it.


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The Other Mike wrote:
On Mon, 06 Feb 2012 17:50:41 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

It looks very much as though the 'other' dial in gridwatch is in fact
two out of three biomass (wood pellet) burners that represent the 'new'
Tilbury power station (the one the greens want to close IIRC).

http://www.rwe.com/web/cms/en/120351...neration-data/

They were due to come onstream this winter and it looks like they have.

One more snippet I picked up from a contact.

There is a difference between what RWE report for Tilbury and what
gets reported in 'other' at bmreports. I've seen about 60MW
difference, even when on steady load,

The Eon owned "Steven's Croft" at Lockerbie is Biomass, rated at
44MW and accounts for some of it.


That could be it.

Or it may be that there is a gross/net imbalance due to transmission
losses etc.

On Mon, 06 Feb 2012 18:51:12 +0000, Bill Taylor
wrote:



Wood burning 510MW

That's a lot of wood. Is it the stuff that gets collected in recycling
centres (tips to you and me) ?

No. That'll be trees that are imported from foreign parts.

Biomass is a decidedly non-green form of generation. The UK can't
produce anything like enough material to feed them, so most of it is
imported, maybe from well managed woods, maybe not. The emission
quality is also rather suspect.

For some years 'home-grown' biomass has been produced under the
auspices of the Energy Crops Scheme and consists of miscanthus
(elephant grass) or SRC (short rotation coppice). The scheme provides
50% funding of startup costs. The last report I saw indicated that
just under 1000 hectares of land in England was under miscanthus and a
bit over 300 ha under SRC.
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lid writes
On Mon, 06 Feb 2012 18:51:12 +0000, Bill Taylor
wrote:



Wood burning 510MW

That's a lot of wood. Is it the stuff that gets collected in recycling
centres (tips to you and me) ?

No. That'll be trees that are imported from foreign parts.

Biomass is a decidedly non-green form of generation. The UK can't
produce anything like enough material to feed them, so most of it is
imported, maybe from well managed woods, maybe not. The emission
quality is also rather suspect.

For some years 'home-grown' biomass has been produced under the
auspices of the Energy Crops Scheme and consists of miscanthus
(elephant grass) or SRC (short rotation coppice). The scheme provides
50% funding of startup costs. The last report I saw indicated that
just under 1000 hectares of land in England was under miscanthus and a
bit over 300 ha under SRC.

EVEN friends of the Earth are against it

http://www.foe-scotland.org.uk/biomass



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