We're being offered a 'free' 5kw (or possibly two) turbine.

Basically the deal is that 'they' install and maintain the turbine and
get the feed-in tariff for the electricity, we get all the electricity
it generates.

We have 9 acres of land so it won't be crowded! I can't really see
any major downside for us except possibly what it looks like but it
can be placed somewhere that isn't too visible from our (or any other)
house I should think.

We're fairly high (by Suffolk standards) and exposed, what's the
realistic expectation of kwh per year from a 5kw turbine?

--
Chris Green

On 06/02/2012 12:10, wrote:
We're being offered a 'free' 5kw (or possibly two) turbine.

Basically the deal is that 'they' install and maintain the turbine and
get the feed-in tariff for the electricity, we get all the electricity
it generates.

We have 9 acres of land so it won't be crowded! I can't really see
any major downside for us

I suggest you ask any bats who live in your area for their views.

http://www.bats.org.uk/pages/wind_turbines.html

Colin Bignell

wrote:
We're being offered a 'free' 5kw (or possibly two) turbine.

Basically the deal is that 'they' install and maintain the turbine and
get the feed-in tariff for the electricity, we get all the electricity
it generates.

We have 9 acres of land so it won't be crowded! I can't really see
any major downside for us except possibly what it looks like but it
can be placed somewhere that isn't too visible from our (or any other)
house I should think.

wait till some big company comes along and uses it as an excuse to put
10 5MW turbines up..

Id say steer clear - even if its no cost, when the company goes bust,
you will have to pay to remove them.



We're fairly high (by Suffolk standards) and exposed, what's the
realistic expectation of kwh per year from a 5kw turbine?


Well probably about 1Kw average - so around £2.50 a day or 8,766 units
p.a. more or less.

On Mon, 6 Feb 2012 12:10:55 +0000, wrote:

We're being offered a 'free' 5kw (or possibly two) turbine.

Basically the deal is that 'they' install and maintain the turbine and
get the feed-in tariff for the electricity, we get all the electricity
it generates.

We have 9 acres of land so it won't be crowded! I can't really see
any major downside for us except possibly what it looks like but it
can be placed somewhere that isn't too visible from our (or any other)
house I should think.

We're fairly high (by Suffolk standards) and exposed, what's the
realistic expectation of kwh per year from a 5kw turbine?


Have you asked on the navitron forum?
--
http://www.voucherfreebies.co.uk

On Mon, 6 Feb 2012 12:10:55 +0000, wrote:

We're being offered a 'free' 5kw (or possibly two) turbine.

Basically the deal is that 'they' install and maintain the turbine and
get the feed-in tariff for the electricity, we get all the electricity
it generates.

We have 9 acres of land so it won't be crowded! I can't really see
any major downside for us except possibly what it looks like but it
can be placed somewhere that isn't too visible from our (or any other)
house I should think.

We're fairly high (by Suffolk standards) and exposed, what's the
realistic expectation of kwh per year from a 5kw turbine?

Rule of thumb is 30% of the rated output over a year assuming decent
exposure. But it is very dependant on location, nearby obsticals,
buildings/trees etc. Average windspeeds for a given area are
available on the web which will give a *rough* guide.


5kW is 5 * 24 * 365 = 43,800 kWH/year absolute maximum.
13,140 kWh/year realistically, in a good location.
Thats about £1300 worth of electricty at 10p/unit retail, assuming
you can use it all which for a normal household isn't very likely as
it's around 36kWh/day average.

The FiT rate for a 5kW turbine is 28p/unit or about £3700/year but
you don't get that....

Personally I'd avoid the free turbine/PV, provider keeps the FiT
deals. They wouldn't do if they weren't going to make a profit. If
you do go for it read the small print very carefully as to who is
responsible for and who pays for any ongoing repairs/maintenace/3rd
party insurance etc...

--
Cheers
Dave.

On Feb 6, 12:10*pm, wrote:
We're being offered a 'free' 5kw (or possibly two) turbine.

Basically the deal is that 'they' install and maintain the turbine and
get the feed-in tariff for the electricity, we get all the electricity
it generates.

We have 9 acres of land so it won't be crowded! *I can't really see
any major downside for us except possibly what it looks like

A few thoughts:


Consider what it sounds like. They are not silent. At night a quiet
throbbing noise can be annoying.

What happens if you want to sell the land it is built on, or if you
die during the 25 years?

Presumably you grant them unlimited access to your land for 25 years
to maintain it?

Will the value of your land go down by more than the money it will
make you?

Who insures you against the extra risks resulting from its presence?


Robert

The Natural Philosopher wrote:
wrote:
We're being offered a 'free' 5kw (or possibly two) turbine.

Basically the deal is that 'they' install and maintain the turbine and
get the feed-in tariff for the electricity, we get all the electricity
it generates.

We have 9 acres of land so it won't be crowded! I can't really see
any major downside for us except possibly what it looks like but it
can be placed somewhere that isn't too visible from our (or any other)
house I should think.

wait till some big company comes along and uses it as an excuse to put
10 5MW turbines up..

Id say steer clear - even if its no cost, when the company goes bust,
you will have to pay to remove them.



We're fairly high (by Suffolk standards) and exposed, what's the
realistic expectation of kwh per year from a 5kw turbine?


Well probably about 1Kw average - so around £2.50 a day or 8,766 units
p.a. more or less.

That's not *all* that different from what they're claiming, around £500
per year (8766 units at 20p plus).

--
Chris Green

Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Mon, 6 Feb 2012 12:10:55 +0000, wrote:

We're being offered a 'free' 5kw (or possibly two) turbine.

Basically the deal is that 'they' install and maintain the turbine and
get the feed-in tariff for the electricity, we get all the electricity
it generates.

We have 9 acres of land so it won't be crowded! I can't really see
any major downside for us except possibly what it looks like but it
can be placed somewhere that isn't too visible from our (or any other)
house I should think.

We're fairly high (by Suffolk standards) and exposed, what's the
realistic expectation of kwh per year from a 5kw turbine?

Rule of thumb is 30% of the rated output over a year assuming decent
exposure. But it is very dependant on location, nearby obsticals,
buildings/trees etc. Average windspeeds for a given area are
available on the web which will give a *rough* guide.


5kW is 5 * 24 * 365 = 43,800 kWH/year absolute maximum.
13,140 kWh/year realistically, in a good location.
Thats about £1300 worth of electricty at 10p/unit retail, assuming
you can use it all which for a normal household isn't very likely as
it's around 36kWh/day average.

The FiT rate for a 5kW turbine is 28p/unit or about £3700/year but
you don't get that....

Personally I'd avoid the free turbine/PV, provider keeps the FiT
deals. They wouldn't do if they weren't going to make a profit. If
you do go for it read the small print very carefully as to who is
responsible for and who pays for any ongoing repairs/maintenace/3rd
party insurance etc...

Thanks all, you've all said most of the things I was expecting.

I most definitely am going to read the small print in detail.

--
Chris Green

On Feb 6, 1:34*pm, RobertL wrote:

If they can give them away 'free' and make a profit, you could almost
certainly finance it and make a profit.
No haggling with another party if you want to move/scrap/upgrade it
or sell the land.

Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Mon, 6 Feb 2012 12:10:55 +0000, wrote:

We're being offered a 'free' 5kw (or possibly two) turbine.

Basically the deal is that 'they' install and maintain the turbine and
get the feed-in tariff for the electricity, we get all the electricity
it generates.

We have 9 acres of land so it won't be crowded! I can't really see
any major downside for us except possibly what it looks like but it
can be placed somewhere that isn't too visible from our (or any other)
house I should think.

We're fairly high (by Suffolk standards) and exposed, what's the
realistic expectation of kwh per year from a 5kw turbine?

Rule of thumb is 30% of the rated output over a year

no, onshore for a small turbine 15%-20% at best.

wrote:
The Natural wrote:
wrote:
We're being offered a 'free' 5kw (or possibly two) turbine.

Basically the deal is that 'they' install and maintain the turbine and
get the feed-in tariff for the electricity, we get all the electricity
it generates.

We have 9 acres of land so it won't be crowded! I can't really see
any major downside for us except possibly what it looks like but it
can be placed somewhere that isn't too visible from our (or any other)
house I should think.

wait till some big company comes along and uses it as an excuse to put
10 5MW turbines up..

Id say steer clear - even if its no cost, when the company goes bust,
you will have to pay to remove them.



We're fairly high (by Suffolk standards) and exposed, what's the
realistic expectation of kwh per year from a 5kw turbine?


Well probably about 1Kw average - so around £2.50 a day or 8,766 units
p.a. more or less.

That's not *all* that different from what they're claiming, around £500
per year (8766 units at 20p plus).

But how much of that will you actually be able to use. There is no
storage capability. you could put in a huge water tank and dump and
excess power you don't otherwise use into that. You could heat a
swimming pool if you have/want one?
On its own, it possibly not that much use to you unless you can get a
share of the FIT and with Huhne out of the way, who knows how much
longer that will be around.

In message , The Natural Philosopher
writes
Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Mon, 6 Feb 2012 12:10:55 +0000, wrote:

We're being offered a 'free' 5kw (or possibly two) turbine.

Basically the deal is that 'they' install and maintain the turbine and
get the feed-in tariff for the electricity, we get all the electricity
it generates.

We have 9 acres of land so it won't be crowded! I can't really see
any major downside for us except possibly what it looks like but it
can be placed somewhere that isn't too visible from our (or any other)
house I should think.

We're fairly high (by Suffolk standards) and exposed, what's the
realistic expectation of kwh per year from a 5kw turbine?
Rule of thumb is 30% of the rated output over a year

no, onshore for a small turbine 15%-20% at best.

Friend in Wales has one of these - complete waste of time.
--
hugh

hugh wrote:
In message , The Natural Philosopher
writes
Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Mon, 6 Feb 2012 12:10:55 +0000, wrote:

We're being offered a 'free' 5kw (or possibly two) turbine.

Basically the deal is that 'they' install and maintain the turbine and
get the feed-in tariff for the electricity, we get all the electricity
it generates.

We have 9 acres of land so it won't be crowded! I can't really see
any major downside for us except possibly what it looks like but it
can be placed somewhere that isn't too visible from our (or any other)
house I should think.

We're fairly high (by Suffolk standards) and exposed, what's the
realistic expectation of kwh per year from a 5kw turbine?
Rule of thumb is 30% of the rated output over a year

no, onshore for a small turbine 15%-20% at best.

Friend in Wales has one of these - complete waste of time.
Can see one from here. Hoping the pikeys will nick it. Lots of copper in
windmills

In message , Nightjar
writes
On 06/02/2012 12:10, wrote:
We're being offered a 'free' 5kw (or possibly two) turbine.

Basically the deal is that 'they' install and maintain the turbine and
get the feed-in tariff for the electricity, we get all the electricity
it generates.

We have 9 acres of land so it won't be crowded! I can't really see
any major downside for us

I suggest you ask any bats who live in your area for their views.

http://www.bats.org.uk/pages/wind_turbines.html


Zo, der vill henceforth be known as Tim Van Helsing

--
geoff

On Feb 6, 1:00*pm, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
wrote:
We're being offered a 'free' 5kw (or possibly two) turbine.

Basically the deal is that 'they' install and maintain the turbine and
get the feed-in tariff for the electricity, we get all the electricity
it generates.

We have 9 acres of land so it won't be crowded! *I can't really see
any major downside for us except possibly what it looks like but it
can be placed somewhere that isn't too visible from our (or any other)
house I should think.

wait till some big company comes along and uses it as an excuse to put
10 5MW turbines up..

Id say steer clear *- even if its no cost, when the company goes bust,
you will have to pay to remove them.

I dont know whether you can put something in the contract that makes
them all yours if they do go bust.


NT

On 06/02/2012 13:21, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Mon, 6 Feb 2012 12:10:55 +0000, wrote:

We're being offered a 'free' 5kw (or possibly two) turbine.

Basically the deal is that 'they' install and maintain the turbine and
get the feed-in tariff for the electricity, we get all the electricity
it generates.

We have 9 acres of land so it won't be crowded! I can't really see
any major downside for us except possibly what it looks like but it
can be placed somewhere that isn't too visible from our (or any other)
house I should think.

We're fairly high (by Suffolk standards) and exposed, what's the
realistic expectation of kwh per year from a 5kw turbine?

Rule of thumb is 30% of the rated output over a year assuming decent
exposure. But it is very dependant on location, nearby obsticals,
buildings/trees etc. Average windspeeds for a given area are
available on the web which will give a *rough* guide.

Worth taking a look at where you are on the windspeed map and the
slightly more precise (but not necessarily accurate) km grid version.
http://www.esru.strath.ac.uk/EandE/W...dspeedmap.html

Anything less than yellow (under 6m/s average) is probably a suckers
bet, but if you aren't paying then you just need to make sure you
understand the contract. Also don't let them install kit where windshear
and the turbulence wake from the turbines will channel any noise along
the prevailing wind direction.

Power out scales with the cube of the wind speed so it is lumpy.


5kW is 5 * 24 * 365 = 43,800 kWH/year absolute maximum.
13,140 kWh/year realistically, in a good location.
Thats about £1300 worth of electricty at 10p/unit retail, assuming
you can use it all which for a normal household isn't very likely as
it's around 36kWh/day average.

The FiT rate for a 5kW turbine is 28p/unit or about £3700/year but
you don't get that....

Personally I'd avoid the free turbine/PV, provider keeps the FiT
deals. They wouldn't do if they weren't going to make a profit. If
you do go for it read the small print very carefully as to who is
responsible for and who pays for any ongoing repairs/maintenace/3rd
party insurance etc...

And what happens when the FIT ends and they go bust.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

On Mon, 6 Feb 2012 20:25:04 +0000, hugh wrote:

what's the realistic expectation of kwh per year from a 5kw
turbine?

Rule of thumb is 30% of the rated output over a year

no, onshore for a small turbine 15%-20% at best.

That bad...

Friend in Wales has one of these - complete waste of time.

There are about 1/2 a dozen popped up around here in the last year or
so. Mind you some of those might at places that are off grid, which
is a different ball game. £20,000 for grid connection with ongoing
and rising bills or £20,000 for a turbine and batteries with probably
lower ongoing and fairly stable maintenance costs...

--
Cheers
Dave.

On Feb 6, 12:41*pm, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , wrote:
We're being offered a 'free' 5kw (or possibly two) turbine.

Basically the deal is that 'they' install and maintain the turbine and
get the feed-in tariff for the electricity, we get all the electricity
it generates.

We have 9 acres of land so it won't be crowded! *I can't really see
any major downside for us except possibly what it looks like but it
can be placed somewhere that isn't too visible from our (or any other)
house I should think.

We're fairly high (by Suffolk standards) and exposed, what's the
realistic expectation of kwh per year from a 5kw turbine?

Make sure you read the small print to see where you are in the FIT gets
scrapped.

Or when you want to sell the property.

MBQ

On Feb 6, 2:41*pm, Bob Minchin
wrote:
wrote:
The Natural *wrote:
wrote:
We're being offered a 'free' 5kw (or possibly two) turbine.

Basically the deal is that 'they' install and maintain the turbine and
get the feed-in tariff for the electricity, we get all the electricity
it generates.

We have 9 acres of land so it won't be crowded! *I can't really see
any major downside for us except possibly what it looks like but it
can be placed somewhere that isn't too visible from our (or any other)
house I should think.

wait till some big company comes along and uses it as an excuse to put
10 5MW turbines up..

Id say steer clear *- even if its no cost, when the company goes bust,
you will have to pay to remove them.

We're fairly high (by Suffolk standards) and exposed, what's the
realistic expectation of kwh per year from a 5kw turbine?

Well probably about 1Kw average - so around £2.50 a day or 8,766 units
p.a. more or less.

That's not *all* that different from what they're claiming, around £500
per year (8766 units at 20p plus).

But how much of that will you actually be able to use. There is no
storage capability. you could put in a huge water tank and dump and
excess power you don't otherwise use into that. You could heat a
swimming pool if you have/want one?

Ground sink heatpump?

MBQ

On Tue, 07 Feb 2012 08:49:46 +0000, Martin Brown wrote:

Worth taking a look at where you are on the windspeed map and the
slightly more precise (but not necessarily accurate) km grid version.
http://www.esru.strath.ac.uk/EandE/W.../wind/content/
ukwindspeedmap.html

? km version? Where ? is 1?

Can't find that and I have tried google site specific search on "wind
1 km map". The map on the above link is a bit coarse. B-)

The DECC "wind speed" database is no longer maintained and uses data
from the mid 70's to mid 80's. Not that mean windspeeds change that
much.

--
Cheers
Dave.

NT wrote:
On Feb 6, 1:00 pm, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
wrote:
We're being offered a 'free' 5kw (or possibly two) turbine.
Basically the deal is that 'they' install and maintain the turbine and
get the feed-in tariff for the electricity, we get all the electricity
it generates.
We have 9 acres of land so it won't be crowded! I can't really see
any major downside for us except possibly what it looks like but it
can be placed somewhere that isn't too visible from our (or any other)
house I should think.
wait till some big company comes along and uses it as an excuse to put
10 5MW turbines up..

Id say steer clear - even if its no cost, when the company goes bust,
you will have to pay to remove them.

I dont know whether you can put something in the contract that makes
them all yours if they do go bust.

They will be a valueless asset if the company DOES go bust, most likely.
They don't last very long - its worth sending tow blokes to spend a day
fixing a million quid turbine, that occasionally generates some income:
here tow blokes for a day costs more than the turbine earns in a whole
year. Go figure.

Then write a short essay as to why microgeneration is a total waste of
time and money.


Once they break, they will simply be left to rot.


NT

On Mon, 06 Feb 2012 12:10:55 +0000, tinnews wrote:

We're being offered a 'free' 5kw (or possibly two) turbine.

Nothing is 'free' and you risk entering into a lease with all kinds of
onerous clauses in it. My advice would be to find a firm of Chartered
Surveyors who will have specialist knowledge and can properly advise you.

You can get the company to agree to cover both the surveyors and legal
costs if they are a reputable turbine company.

David

In message , David P
writes
On Mon, 06 Feb 2012 12:10:55 +0000, tinnews wrote:

We're being offered a 'free' 5kw (or possibly two) turbine.

Nothing is 'free' and you risk entering into a lease with all kinds of
onerous clauses in it. My advice would be to find a firm of Chartered
Surveyors who will have specialist knowledge and can properly advise you.

You can get the company to agree to cover both the surveyors and legal
costs if they are a reputable turbine company.

There was a CLA advisory recently, hinting that leases for such things
as mobile phone masts might not be *terminable*. I.e. you would not
necessarily be able to recover the land at the end of the agreed lease
period.

regards

--
Tim Lamb

On Tue, 07 Feb 2012 20:18:38 +0000, Tim Lamb wrote:

In message , David P
writes
On Mon, 06 Feb 2012 12:10:55 +0000, tinnews wrote:

We're being offered a 'free' 5kw (or possibly two) turbine.

Nothing is 'free' and you risk entering into a lease with all kinds of
onerous clauses in it. My advice would be to find a firm of Chartered
Surveyors who will have specialist knowledge and can properly advise
you.

You can get the company to agree to cover both the surveyors and legal
costs if they are a reputable turbine company.

There was a CLA advisory recently, hinting that leases for such things
as mobile phone masts might not be *terminable*. I.e. you would not
necessarily be able to recover the land at the end of the agreed lease
period.


I had heard rumours g. There is a potentially similar argument running
with telecoms masts. I forget the detail now but I think its something
to do with telephony legislation (but I'm dredging a few years worth of
forgettary now)

David