It's that time of year again, need to get the winters supply of
heating oil in. What is the current price?

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Dave. pam is missing e-mail

Dave Liquorice wrote:
It's that time of year again, need to get the winters supply of
heating oil in. What is the current price?

Paid 16.9p + vat 3 weeks ago.

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Grunff

It's that time of year again, need to get the winters supply of
heating oil in. What is the current price?

Paid 16.9p + vat 3 weeks ago.

I paid 16.5p for 28sec & 19.75p for 35 sec a month ago.

(Has anyone found a chart on the internet that gives an indication of
relative oil prices?)

Colin

Grunff wrote:

Dave Liquorice wrote:

It's that time of year again, need to get the winters supply of
heating oil in. What is the current price?


Paid 16.9p + vat 3 weeks ago.


Thats a good target according to one delivery guy I spoke to.

On Thu, 6 Nov 2003 14:28:08 -0000, Colin wrote:


Paid 16.9p + vat 3 weeks ago.

I paid 16.5p for 28sec ...

Thanks chaps, at least I have a ball park figure to compare against
when I order this morning. Last 2000l was way back at the end of Feb
at 24.1p/l + VAT...

(Has anyone found a chart on the internet that gives an indication
of relative oil prices?)

Oil price is very variable, I guess you could look at the prices of
the various crudes but I don't think that influences the retail prices
particulary quickly (in a stable market). There is so much competition
in the retail market that other factors play a part, like how much oil
you use, regular customer etc.

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On Thu, 6 Nov 2003 14:28:08 -0000, "Colin"
wrote:


It's that time of year again, need to get the winters supply of
heating oil in. What is the current price?

Paid 16.9p + vat 3 weeks ago.

I paid 16.5p for 28sec & 19.75p for 35 sec a month ago.

(Has anyone found a chart on the internet that gives an indication of
relative oil prices?)

Colin

Just about to get Oil central heating installed.

May I ask, what is 28sec, 35sec ?.

Thanks

Paul D

Dave Liquorice wrote:

On Thu, 6 Nov 2003 14:28:08 -0000, Colin wrote:



Paid 16.9p + vat 3 weeks ago.

I paid 16.5p for 28sec ...


Thanks chaps, at least I have a ball park figure to compare against
when I order this morning. Last 2000l was way back at the end of Feb
at 24.1p/l + VAT...


(Has anyone found a chart on the internet that gives an indication
of relative oil prices?)


Oil price is very variable, I guess you could look at the prices of
the various crudes but I don't think that influences the retail prices
particulary quickly (in a stable market). There is so much competition
in the retail market that other factors play a part, like how much oil
you use, regular customer etc.



Mmm. My delivery man (who stopped looking for somewhere esle) said that
he had delivered various loads, all from teh same tanker, ranging from
under 117p to over 24p....basically if you contract to an oil company
who 'come and top you up' you end up paying 24p. If you phone around and
get the best spot price on the day/week, you pay 17p. If the oil
company is busy, they will tell you '24p' If they are slack and
overstocked, they will knock it out at rock bottom prices if you take
sensible volumes. Its just a question of finding one that is in your
area with a full load, and willing to deal.

On Fri, 07 Nov 2003 10:55:31 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Mmm. My delivery man (who stopped looking for somewhere esle) said
that he had delivered various loads, all from teh same tanker,
ranging from under 117p to over 24p....

117p Fer king ell...! I guess you mean 11.7p B-)

That 24p I paid was just before the Iraq War kicked off oil prices
where going silly. Just rung our normal supplier and got quoted
19.25p, one other the other local firms 17.98. Now trying to find the
number of the supplier who is really local (ie not 20+ miles away) to
see what they can offer...

basically if you contract to an oil company who 'come and top you
up' you end up paying 24p. If you phone around and get the best spot
price on the day/week, you pay 17p.

I call when I need it not on a top up basis. When I have phoned around
in the past Shell have been the cheapest or at least not worth
worrying about. Not this time by the looks of it. B-(

If the oil company is busy, they will tell you '24p' If they are
slack and overstocked, they will knock it out at rock bottom prices

Quite, I suspect 3 weeks ago they where overstocked and slack but
since then we have had a cold snap and it's getting cooler
generally... I know our weekly oil consumption rate has more than
doubled since September. 27th Sep to 4th Oct 1.5cm decline in tank
level, 25th Oct 1st Nov 3.75cm (the previous week when it was colder
was 4.5cm). Peak winter rate is 7cm/week on a tank where 2000l raises
the level 83cm...

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Can I run my car on this stuff ?

Rick

On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 13:13:21 +0000, Grunff wrote:
Dave Liquorice wrote:
It's that time of year again, need to get the winters supply of
heating oil in. What is the current price?

Paid 16.9p + vat 3 weeks ago.

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Grunff

Rick Dipper wrote:

Can I run my car on this stuff ?

As in will it run? Yes. Is it legal to use on public roads? No.

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Grunff

May I ask, what is 28sec, 35sec ?.



One is sometimes called "burn" oil (28 sec) and the other is sometimes
called "gas" oil (35 sec).

One is like paraffin, the other is quite like red diesel.

I have the two sorts because the central heating is *very* old and uses the
gloopier stuff (35 sec) and the Aga, because it is newer, uses the other (28
sec).

I guess that pretty much everything is 28 sec nowadays....(?)

BTW: Here is the breakdown of what I have brought recently....


28 sec
(Aga)


Qty
NWF p/litre

17 Sept 2001
150 gallons
21.75

14 Jan 2002
150 gallons
15.25

1 Aug 2002
1000litres
15.1

24 June 2003
-
18.2

23 Sep 2003
250 gallons
16.5





Colin

Rick Dipper wrote:

Can I run my car on this stuff ?

Not legally,no;-)



Rick

On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 13:13:21 +0000, Grunff wrote:

Dave Liquorice wrote:

It's that time of year again, need to get the winters supply of
heating oil in. What is the current price?

Paid 16.9p + vat 3 weeks ago.

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Grunff

On Fri, 07 Nov 2003 21:49:03 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Can I run my car on this stuff ?

Not legally,no;-)

Especially if it normally takes petrol. B-)

A normal diesel will run fine on 35sec 'cause that is what diesel is.
Of course such a car could never(*) legally use the public roads.

(*) Well not without stripping and cleaning the complete fuel system
to remove the tracing dyes and chemicals...

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Dave Liquorice wrote:

A normal diesel will run fine on 35sec 'cause that is what diesel is.
Of course such a car could never(*) legally use the public roads.

(*) Well not without stripping and cleaning the complete fuel system
to remove the tracing dyes and chemicals...

Not true. If I chose to run my diesel car off oil on a private
road, all I'd have to do to use it on a public road is empty the
tank, fill up with road taxed diesel, and off I go.

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Grunff

On Sat, 08 Nov 2003 00:31:36 +0000, Grunff wrote:

Not true. If I chose to run my diesel car off oil on a private
road, all I'd have to do to use it on a public road is empty the
tank, fill up with road taxed diesel, and off I go.

You try convincing HM C&E that you have done that if/when they stop
you and find traces of red or 35sec heating oil in the fuel system.
I somehow don't think you'll get a "Sorry to have bothered you, Sir"
response and be fairly quickly on your way...

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Dave. pam is missing e-mail

Just about to get Oil central heating installed.

May I ask, what is 28sec, 35sec ?.

Thanks

Paul D

Its a measure of its thickness, called viscosity. You use a standard
funnel device called a Flow Cup and time hoe long a measured amount of oil
takes to flow through.

Dave

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And you were born knowing all about ms windows....??

On Fri, 07 Nov 2003 09:40:46 +0000 (GMT), Dave Liquorice wrote:

Paid 16.9p + vat 3 weeks ago.

I paid 16.5p for 28sec ...

Thanks chaps, at least I have a ball park figure to compare against
when I order this morning. Last 2000l was way back at the end of Feb
at 24.1p/l + VAT...

Just to follow up, for 2000/l of ordinary 28sec heating oil. Prices ex
VAT. Called Shell, our normal supplier, got quoted 19.25p. I'd have
felt that was high even without knowing the 3 week ago price...

Rang round 4 other places and got lower prices 17.98 (x 2), 18.7 &
18.95. As Shell have served us well in the past and we have an account
I called them back quoting the 17.98 prices and was offered 18.5 which
I accepted.

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"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message
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If I chose to run my diesel car off oil on a private
road, all I'd have to do to use it on a public road is empty the
tank, fill up with road taxed diesel, and off I go.

You try convincing HM C&E that you have done that if/when they stop
you and find traces of red or 35sec heating oil in the fuel system.
I somehow don't think you'll get a "Sorry to have bothered you, Sir"
response and be fairly quickly on your way...

They rely on people pleading guilty. It's the same with a TV license. If
you don't use one it doesn't mean you have to get rid of your TV or pay
the fee.

Farmers and agricultural workers can use said vehicles with red diesel
within a few miles of home. If they want to go further they need to put
diesel that has been boiled with carbon in the tank. I can't imagine how
the customs and excise would make a case against them if they failed to
do that.

If you feel queasy about it, fix a PTO to your car and tell them you
use it to cut logs of something, even use it as a rotovator. They would
have to prove beyond reasonable doubt that you are the filthy, lying,
deceitful scum we all know and love.


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On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 15:03:34 +0000 (UTC), "Michael Mcneil"
wrote:

If you feel queasy about it, fix a PTO to your car and tell them you
use it to cut logs of something, even use it as a rotovator. They would
have to prove beyond reasonable doubt that you are the filthy, lying,
deceitful scum we all know and love.

Yes, but the old maxim "it takes one to know one" would be true here,
wouldn't it?

PoP

On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 15:03:34 +0000 (UTC), "Michael Mcneil"
wrote:


Farmers and agricultural workers can use said vehicles with red diesel
within a few miles of home.

Only if it is registered as an agricultural machine AND it displays a
tax disc (even though it is now exempt from road fund duty the disc
must be displayed to travel on the road with rebated fuel).

AJH

"Michael Mcneil" wrote:

Hello Michael

MM| Farmers and agricultural workers can use said vehicles with
MM| red diesel within a few miles of home.

Needs to be registered as an agricultural vehicle AND is subject to a
22mph speed limit. They're also not allowed on motorways.

Interesting note - FastTrac's can do 40mph+ so are legally required to
run on white diesel. Many of the "normal" John Deeres can do 25-35mph
too.

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Simon Avery, Dartmoor, UK
uk.d-i-y FAQ: http://www.diyfaq.org.uk/

Simon Avery wrote:
"Michael Mcneil" wrote:

Hello Michael

MM| Farmers and agricultural workers can use said vehicles with
MM| red diesel within a few miles of home.

Needs to be registered as an agricultural vehicle AND is subject to a
22mph speed limit. They're also not allowed on motorways.

Interesting note - FastTrac's can do 40mph+ so are legally required to
run on white diesel. Many of the "normal" John Deeres can do 25-35mph
too.

Quite a common sight round here in the Fens:- cars stuck behind vans stuck
behind lorries stuck behind FastTracs stuck behind foreign lorries stuck
behind Arthur and Ethel out for a 30mph jaunt in the countryside. Each wants
to overtake the one in front, they all know they can do it but know they
really shouldn't but they still try and take an age to do so. The unwritten
rule is to floor it, pull out and start to overtake, avoid eye contact with
the one you're passing and pray to the gods that they'll let you in before
you meet the queue of traffic coming towards you doing the same.

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James...
http://www.jameshart.co.uk/

On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 17:18:08 GMT, (Simon
Avery) wrote:

"Michael Mcneil" wrote:

Hello Michael

MM| Farmers and agricultural workers can use said vehicles with
MM| red diesel within a few miles of home.

Needs to be registered as an agricultural vehicle AND is subject to a
22mph speed limit.

20 unless full suspension

Interesting note - FastTrac's can do 40mph+ so are legally required to
run on white diesel.

Not necessarily, the speed is subject to the construction and use, the
use of rebated fuel only subject to the use IIRC.

AJH

Simon Avery wrote:
"Michael Mcneil" wrote:

Hello Michael

MM| Farmers and agricultural workers can use said vehicles with
MM| red diesel within a few miles of home.

Needs to be registered as an agricultural vehicle AND is subject to a
22mph speed limit. They're also not allowed on motorways.

We should count ourselves lucky, in some parts of Europe
the speed limit for tractors on public roads is 16km/h...