In our avenue someone has organised with the Council to supply one of those
yellow road salt/grit bins which allow you to grit paths, drives, the roads,
your neighbours garden which has always irritated you etc.

Quite a good deal (we think).

The residents pay for the bin, then the Council keep it filled at no extra
charge.

Cost us £9 for our contribution, so certainly worth a punt.

I mention it here because

(a) It seesm like a good idea if you have problems with local icy conditions
and the gritting lorries ignoring you
(b) Because you have to do it yourself - both buying the bin and spreading
the salt/grit :-)

Merry Christmas

Dave R

--
No plan survives contact with the enemy.
[Not even bunny]

Helmuth von Moltke the Elder

(\__/)
(='.'=)
(")_(")

In article ,
"David WE Roberts" writes:
In our avenue someone has organised with the Council to supply one of those
yellow road salt/grit bins which allow you to grit paths, drives, the roads,
your neighbours garden which has always irritated you etc.

Quite a good deal (we think).

The residents pay for the bin, then the Council keep it filled at no extra
charge.

Cost us £9 for our contribution, so certainly worth a punt.

I mention it here because

(a) It seesm like a good idea if you have problems with local icy conditions
and the gritting lorries ignoring you
(b) Because you have to do it yourself - both buying the bin and spreading
the salt/grit :-)

Lots of councils have stopped doing them, after large numbers were
stolen (and/or the contents were stolen) over last two years.

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

In message , Andrew Gabriel
wrote
In article ,
"David WE Roberts" writes:
In our avenue someone has organised with the Council to supply one of those
yellow road salt/grit bins which allow you to grit paths, drives, the roads,
your neighbours garden which has always irritated you etc.

I doubt if the contents will be enough to grit more than the road OR
path, spread too little grit/salt you will probably make the problem
worse and you will get black ice on the second cold night.

Residents will have to agree on the priority of roads or paths. What
will happen in real life is the that one person that gets up at 6am and
cannot get his car out of the drive will use 99% of the contents of the
bin for his personal use.

I'll also bet the agreement to top up the contents is for once a year
and not once per day so don't us it all at once.

--
Alan
news2009 {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk

On Sun, 25 Dec 2011 23:08:03 +0000 (UTC),
(Andrew Gabriel) wrote:

In article ,
"David WE Roberts" writes:
In our avenue someone has organised with the Council to supply one of those
yellow road salt/grit bins which allow you to grit paths, drives, the roads,
your neighbours garden which has always irritated you etc.

Quite a good deal (we think).

The residents pay for the bin, then the Council keep it filled at no extra
charge.

Cost us £9 for our contribution, so certainly worth a punt.

I mention it here because

(a) It seesm like a good idea if you have problems with local icy conditions
and the gritting lorries ignoring you
(b) Because you have to do it yourself - both buying the bin and spreading
the salt/grit :-)

Lots of councils have stopped doing them, after large numbers were
stolen (and/or the contents were stolen) over last two years.

Our local council places these each winter(ish) at strategic points,
such as near to steep banks and similar hazardous bits. Probably due
to cutbacks in spending they've left them there since last winter.

The main problem is that some people seem to regard this as a free
source of grit/salt/whatever_it_is for their own driveways rather than
what it's intended for, viz. the public highway (footways and
carriageway); as soon as the bin is replenished they're out with a
sledge and buckets to steal the precious stuff to meticulously clear
every bit of their property of snow/ice/frost.

A couple of years ago when there was a serious shortage of salt the LA
used road planings. Although they did little to melt the ice they did
help to improve traction a bit.

--
Frank Erskine
Sunderland

"Frank Erskine" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 25 Dec 2011 23:08:03 +0000 (UTC),
(Andrew Gabriel) wrote:

In article ,
"David WE Roberts" writes:
In our avenue someone has organised with the Council to supply one of
those
yellow road salt/grit bins which allow you to grit paths, drives, the
roads,
your neighbours garden which has always irritated you etc.

Quite a good deal (we think).

The residents pay for the bin, then the Council keep it filled at no
extra
charge.

Cost us £9 for our contribution, so certainly worth a punt.

I mention it here because

(a) It seesm like a good idea if you have problems with local icy
conditions
and the gritting lorries ignoring you
(b) Because you have to do it yourself - both buying the bin and
spreading
the salt/grit :-)

Lots of councils have stopped doing them, after large numbers were
stolen (and/or the contents were stolen) over last two years.

Our local council places these each winter(ish) at strategic points,
such as near to steep banks and similar hazardous bits. Probably due
to cutbacks in spending they've left them there since last winter.

The main problem is that some people seem to regard this as a free
source of grit/salt/whatever_it_is for their own driveways rather than
what it's intended for, viz. the public highway (footways and
carriageway); as soon as the bin is replenished they're out with a
sledge and buckets to steal the precious stuff to meticulously clear
every bit of their property of snow/ice/frost.

A couple of years ago when there was a serious shortage of salt the LA
used road planings. Although they did little to melt the ice they did
help to improve traction a bit.

It works fine here, the youngsters shovel it along the street for all of us.
A single phone-call and the bin is refilled within an hour or two. Then
again, this is Britland.

"brass monkey" wrote in message
b.com...

"Frank Erskine" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 25 Dec 2011 23:08:03 +0000 (UTC),
(Andrew Gabriel) wrote:

In article ,
"David WE Roberts" writes:
In our avenue someone has organised with the Council to supply one of
those
yellow road salt/grit bins which allow you to grit paths, drives, the
roads,
your neighbours garden which has always irritated you etc.

Quite a good deal (we think).

The residents pay for the bin, then the Council keep it filled at no
extra
charge.

Cost us £9 for our contribution, so certainly worth a punt.

I mention it here because

(a) It seesm like a good idea if you have problems with local icy
conditions
and the gritting lorries ignoring you
(b) Because you have to do it yourself - both buying the bin and
spreading
the salt/grit :-)

Lots of councils have stopped doing them, after large numbers were
stolen (and/or the contents were stolen) over last two years.

Our local council places these each winter(ish) at strategic points,
such as near to steep banks and similar hazardous bits. Probably due
to cutbacks in spending they've left them there since last winter.

The main problem is that some people seem to regard this as a free
source of grit/salt/whatever_it_is for their own driveways rather than
what it's intended for, viz. the public highway (footways and
carriageway); as soon as the bin is replenished they're out with a
sledge and buckets to steal the precious stuff to meticulously clear
every bit of their property of snow/ice/frost.

A couple of years ago when there was a serious shortage of salt the LA
used road planings. Although they did little to melt the ice they did
help to improve traction a bit.

It works fine here, the youngsters shovel it along the street for all of
us. A single phone-call and the bin is refilled within an hour or two.
Then again, this is Britland.

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh, LA = local authority, I thought it was Los Angeles.

Get onto your local councillor, many times. They submit (after a while) and
get things moving. Go steady on the naughty words, ours don't seem to like
that approach.

On Mon, 26 Dec 2011 01:55:03 -0000, "brass monkey" wrote:


"brass monkey" wrote in message
eb.com...

"Frank Erskine" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 25 Dec 2011 23:08:03 +0000 (UTC),
(Andrew Gabriel) wrote:

In article ,
"David WE Roberts" writes:
In our avenue someone has organised with the Council to supply one of
those
yellow road salt/grit bins which allow you to grit paths, drives, the
roads,
your neighbours garden which has always irritated you etc.

Quite a good deal (we think).

The residents pay for the bin, then the Council keep it filled at no
extra
charge.

Cost us £9 for our contribution, so certainly worth a punt.

I mention it here because

(a) It seesm like a good idea if you have problems with local icy
conditions
and the gritting lorries ignoring you
(b) Because you have to do it yourself - both buying the bin and
spreading
the salt/grit :-)

Lots of councils have stopped doing them, after large numbers were
stolen (and/or the contents were stolen) over last two years.

Our local council places these each winter(ish) at strategic points,
such as near to steep banks and similar hazardous bits. Probably due
to cutbacks in spending they've left them there since last winter.

The main problem is that some people seem to regard this as a free
source of grit/salt/whatever_it_is for their own driveways rather than
what it's intended for, viz. the public highway (footways and
carriageway); as soon as the bin is replenished they're out with a
sledge and buckets to steal the precious stuff to meticulously clear
every bit of their property of snow/ice/frost.

A couple of years ago when there was a serious shortage of salt the LA
used road planings. Although they did little to melt the ice they did
help to improve traction a bit.

It works fine here, the youngsters shovel it along the street for all of
us. A single phone-call and the bin is refilled within an hour or two.
Then again, this is Britland.

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh, LA = local authority, I thought it was Los Angeles.

Get onto your local councillor, many times. They submit (after a while) and
get things moving.

Not _our_ local councillors. They're all Labour :-(

--
Frank Erskine

On Sun, 25 Dec 2011 14:49:21 -0000, David WE Roberts wrote:
In our avenue someone has organised with the Council to supply one of those
yellow road salt/grit bins which allow you to grit paths, drives, the roads,
your neighbours garden which has always irritated you etc.

Quite a good deal (we think).

The residents pay for the bin, then the Council keep it filled at no extra
charge.

Cost us ?9 for our contribution, so certainly worth a punt.

I mention it here because

(a) It seesm like a good idea if you have problems with local icy conditions
and the gritting lorries ignoring you
(b) Because you have to do it yourself - both buying the bin and spreading
the salt/grit :-)

We have a grit bin that was installed in our road when the houses were built
c. 1960. As others have said, it works well and a short call to the council
is all that's needed to get a top-up. They do stipulate that the grit is ONLY
for use on roads, not private paths/drives but: WTH.

The plan does fall down though. When the bins were installed, the councils policy
was to grit all the main roads, so only "feeder" roads needed and were provided
with grit bins. Now that the council has decided road gritting is too hard
and they've decided to not grit anything except arterial roads, there is a
gap in the plan. Local roads can be cleared through the efforts of the residents.
"A" roads are cleared by the grudging and tardy action of the council's
single gritter. However the roads that link these two sorts no longer get
cleared or gritted. Since the terrain round here is quite hilly, you are able
to drive the first few hundred yards, and the final 50 miles of your trip, but
you can't go the intervening mile of iced-up main roads.

It's a typical case of no joined-up thinking.

On 26/12/2011 00:48, Frank Erskine wrote:
On Sun, 25 Dec 2011 23:08:03 +0000 (UTC),
(Andrew Gabriel) wrote:

In ,
"David WE writes:
In our avenue someone has organised with the Council to supply one of those
yellow road salt/grit bins which allow you to grit paths, drives, the roads,
your neighbours garden which has always irritated you etc.

Quite a good deal (we think).

The residents pay for the bin, then the Council keep it filled at no extra
charge.

Cost us £9 for our contribution, so certainly worth a punt.

Chain the thing down to an immovable object if at all possible.

I mention it here because

(a) It seesm like a good idea if you have problems with local icy conditions
and the gritting lorries ignoring you
(b) Because you have to do it yourself - both buying the bin and spreading
the salt/grit :-)

Lots of councils have stopped doing them, after large numbers were
stolen (and/or the contents were stolen) over last two years.

Our local council places these each winter(ish) at strategic points,
such as near to steep banks and similar hazardous bits. Probably due
to cutbacks in spending they've left them there since last winter.

There is a score card that determines which situations require the
County Council to provide a grit bin. Round here now in practice it
requires a busy steep hill with a blind bend and a junction to qualify.

Local councils can obtain them and pay to have them filled once or twice
during the winter season but it is expensive, and scrotes come round
with a wagon and pinch them all from time to time.

The main problem is that some people seem to regard this as a free
source of grit/salt/whatever_it_is for their own driveways rather than
what it's intended for, viz. the public highway (footways and
carriageway); as soon as the bin is replenished they're out with a
sledge and buckets to steal the precious stuff to meticulously clear
every bit of their property of snow/ice/frost.

Waiting to see if that will be a problem here. I suspect that complete
outsiders on a flat bed pinching the entire unit is more of a problem.
We have one county council bin and two parish council ones.

A couple of years ago when there was a serious shortage of salt the LA
used road planings. Although they did little to melt the ice they did
help to improve traction a bit.

They just gave up round here and we got an amazing pompous email titled
"Letter from the Leader" telling us what a good job they were doing. It
didn't go down at all well with 1" of polished pack ice on the road
though our neighbouring village and no salt anywhere to be seen.

Regards,
Martin Brown

brass monkey wrote:
"Frank Erskine" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 25 Dec 2011 23:08:03 +0000 (UTC),
(Andrew Gabriel) wrote:

In article ,
"David WE Roberts" writes:
In our avenue someone has organised with the Council to supply one
of those
yellow road salt/grit bins which allow you to grit paths, drives,
the roads,
your neighbours garden which has always irritated you etc.

Quite a good deal (we think).

The residents pay for the bin, then the Council keep it filled at
no extra
charge.

Cost us £9 for our contribution, so certainly worth a punt.

I mention it here because

(a) It seesm like a good idea if you have problems with local icy
conditions
and the gritting lorries ignoring you
(b) Because you have to do it yourself - both buying the bin and
spreading
the salt/grit :-)

Lots of councils have stopped doing them, after large numbers were
stolen (and/or the contents were stolen) over last two years.

Our local council places these each winter(ish) at strategic points,
such as near to steep banks and similar hazardous bits. Probably due
to cutbacks in spending they've left them there since last winter.

The main problem is that some people seem to regard this as a free
source of grit/salt/whatever_it_is for their own driveways rather
than what it's intended for, viz. the public highway (footways and
carriageway); as soon as the bin is replenished they're out with a
sledge and buckets to steal the precious stuff to meticulously clear
every bit of their property of snow/ice/frost.

A couple of years ago when there was a serious shortage of salt the
LA used road planings. Although they did little to melt the ice they
did help to improve traction a bit.

It works fine here, the youngsters shovel it along the street for all
of us. A single phone-call and the bin is refilled within an hour or
two. Then again, this is Britland.

The one at the top of my street works fine.

Although people are a little heavy handed in spreading the stuff.
They tend to lay it in the street and leave it looking more like a carpet
instead of spreading it out like a gritter would do. TBH you only need to
lightly grit the tracks that the 4x4s have made to allow the rest of us to
use the road.



--
Adam

In article , Frank Erskine
writes
Our local council places these each winter(ish) at strategic points,
such as near to steep banks and similar hazardous bits. Probably due
to cutbacks in spending they've left them there since last winter.


Round here, they seem to be permanent fixtures. Not looked inside one,
but judging by last year, they must get replenished periodically.


Adrian
--
To Reply :
replace "news" with "adrian" and "nospam" with "ffoil"
Sorry for the rigmarole, If I want spam, I'll go to the shops
Every time someone says "I don't believe in trolls", another one dies.

On Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:43:44 +0000, Adrian Simpson
wrote:

Round here, they seem to be permanent fixtures. Not looked inside one,
but judging by last year, they must get replenished periodically.

Last time I looked inside one it was full of crap.
Otoh, they make useful emergency shelters when you're stuck by the
side of the road in the Highlands.

On Dec 25, 2:49*pm, "David WE Roberts" wrote:
In our avenue someone has organised with the Council to supply one of those
yellow road salt/grit bins which allow you to grit paths, drives, the roads,
your neighbours garden which has always irritated you etc.

This year our Council has set up a "snow friends" scheme for the
backstreets where groups of residents are being provided with bags of
grit and shovels. One person in the group is responsible for storing
and handing out the grit. We wait to see how well it works. I hope the
Council also provide insurance against ambulance-chasing lawyers.

My observation of grit bins elsewhere is that (a) the lid disappears,
(b) as much of the rest as possible is stoved in, (c) the grit is
stolen or used and never replenished, and (d) the bin is filled with
rubbish, leaving the whole thing a useless blot on the landscape.

Chris

wrote:
On Dec 25, 2:49 pm, "David WE Roberts" wrote:
In our avenue someone has organised with the Council to supply one
of those yellow road salt/grit bins which allow you to grit paths,
drives, the roads, your neighbours garden which has always irritated
you etc.

This year our Council has set up a "snow friends" scheme for the
backstreets where groups of residents are being provided with bags of
grit and shovels. One person in the group is responsible for storing
and handing out the grit. We wait to see how well it works. I hope the
Council also provide insurance against ambulance-chasing lawyers.

My observation of grit bins elsewhere is that (a) the lid disappears,
(b) as much of the rest as possible is stoved in, (c) the grit is
stolen or used and never replenished, and (d) the bin is filled with
rubbish, leaving the whole thing a useless blot on the landscape.

Sheffield had "snow wardens" a few years ago. I believe that they were a
success. However lack of funds stopped any more people getting the training.

--
Adam

On Tue, 27 Dec 2011 09:00:52 -0000, "ARWadsworth"
wrote:


Sheffield had "snow wardens" a few years ago. I believe that they were a
success. However lack of funds stopped any more people getting the training.

Training?

--
Frank Erskine

Frank Erskine wrote:
On Tue, 27 Dec 2011 09:00:52 -0000, "ARWadsworth"
wrote:


Sheffield had "snow wardens" a few years ago. I believe that they
were a success. However lack of funds stopped any more people
getting the training.

Training?

The scheme was run by the council. You cannot just send someone out with a
shovel. You also need 3 others to lean on their shovels and watch you clear
the snow.

--
Adam

On Tue, 27 Dec 2011 09:00:52 -0000, "ARWadsworth"
wrote:



Sheffield had "snow wardens" a few years ago. I believe that they were a
success. However lack of funds stopped any more people getting the training.

Not PC to call them Snowmen I suppose.

G.Harman

Martin Brown wrote:
and scrotes come round with a wagon and pinch them all from time to time.

If they do that round here, I'll be the one standing at the bottom
of the hill laughing as they panicedly try and stop their wheels
slithering all over the way as they careen into the shops and at
bottom of the hill.

JGH

On Tue, 27 Dec 2011 10:30:32 +0000, Frank Erskine wrote:

On Tue, 27 Dec 2011 09:00:52 -0000, "ARWadsworth"
wrote:


Sheffield had "snow wardens" a few years ago. I believe that they were a
success. However lack of funds stopped any more people getting the training.

Training?

was article on radio 4 a month or so ago with an interview with one of
those having had the training - basically how to shovel snow, where to put
it (BG) how wide should the cleared area should be and how to apply grit
IIRC
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(¸.€¢Âº(¸.€¢Â¨* *¨€¢.¸)º€¢.¸)

David WE Roberts wrote:

In our avenue someone has organised with the Council to supply one of
those yellow road salt/grit bins which allow you to grit paths, drives,
the roads, your neighbours garden which has always irritated you etc.

Quite a good deal (we think).

The residents pay for the bin, then the Council keep it filled at no
extra charge.

Cost us £9 for our contribution, so certainly worth a punt.

I suppose I've eeked-out £15 quids worth of salt over 3 years, enough to
keep my drive and the the path outside my house clear.

I mention it here because

(a) It seesm like a good idea if you have problems with local icy
conditions and the gritting lorries ignoring you
(b) Because you have to do it yourself - both buying the bin and
spreading the salt/grit :-)

Even if everyone down the street uses the bin to keep 'their' section of
road clear, don't expect the bin lorry to even attempt to do the rounds ...

In message , Andy
Burns wrote

Even if everyone down the street uses the bin to keep 'their' section
of road clear, don't expect the bin lorry to even attempt to do the
rounds ...

http://www.youtu.be/watch?v=MkJO0SCFQLg&feature=related
--
Alan
news2009 {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk

On Tue, 27 Dec 2011 10:30:32 +0000, Frank Erskine wrote:

On Tue, 27 Dec 2011 09:00:52 -0000, "ARWadsworth"
wrote:


Sheffield had "snow wardens" a few years ago. I believe that they were a
success. However lack of funds stopped any more people getting the training.

Training?

--
Frank Erskine

--
Cheers
Dave.

On Tue, 27 Dec 2011 10:30:32 +0000, Frank Erskine wrote:

Sheffield had "snow wardens" a few years ago. I believe that they
were
a success. However lack of funds stopped any more people getting
the
training.

Training?

The great unwashed can be remarkably dim. As others have said how to
shovel snow without doing your back or giving yourself a heart
attack(*). Even the "common sense" of where to shift it to will
illude some. There is also a tendency to lay the rock salt down as a
contiguous layer, you don't need to do that.

(*) A number of people do die each year over exerting themselves
clearing snow.


--
Frank Erskine

--
Cheers
Dave.

"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message
ll.co.uk...
On Tue, 27 Dec 2011 10:30:32 +0000, Frank Erskine wrote:

Sheffield had "snow wardens" a few years ago. I believe that they
were
a success. However lack of funds stopped any more people getting
the
training.

Training?

The great unwashed can be remarkably dim. As others have said how to
shovel snow without doing your back or giving yourself a heart
attack(*). Even the "common sense" of where to shift it to will
illude some. There is also a tendency to lay the rock salt down as a
contiguous layer, you don't need to do that.

(*) A number of people do die each year over exerting themselves
clearing snow.


"Concise Oxford English Dictionary © 2008 Oxford University Press:
illude /?'l(j)u?d/?
?verb literary trick; delude.
- origin ME: from L. illudere 'to mock'."

Possibly not what you meant but an interesting word.

elude, on the other hand, is perhaps less elusive a word ;-)

--
No plan survives contact with the enemy.
[Not even bunny]

Helmuth von Moltke the Elder

(\__/)
(='.'=)
(")_(")

David WE Roberts wrote:

"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message
ll.co.uk...
On Tue, 27 Dec 2011 10:30:32 +0000, Frank Erskine wrote:

Sheffield had "snow wardens" a few years ago. I believe that they
were
a success. However lack of funds stopped any more people getting
the
training.

Training?

The great unwashed can be remarkably dim. As others have said how to
shovel snow without doing your back or giving yourself a heart
attack(*). Even the "common sense" of where to shift it to will
illude some. There is also a tendency to lay the rock salt down as a
contiguous layer, you don't need to do that.

(*) A number of people do die each year over exerting themselves
clearing snow.


"Concise Oxford English Dictionary © 2008 Oxford University Press:
illude /?'l(j)u?d/?
?verb literary trick; delude.
- origin ME: from L. illudere 'to mock'."

Presumably from ludo - to make fun (a game) of..


Possibly not what you meant but an interesting word.

elude, on the other hand, is perhaps less elusive a word ;-)

On Wed, 28 Dec 2011 18:50:00 -0000, David WE Roberts wrote:

Even the "common sense" of where to shift it to will illude some.

"Concise Oxford English Dictionary © 2008 Oxford University Press:
illude /?'l(j)u?d/?
?verb literary trick; delude.
- origin ME: from L. illudere 'to mock'."

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/illude

illude
1.to deceive or trick.

2.Obsolete.
a. to mock or ridicule.
b. to evade.

elude is the more correct word.

--
Cheers
Dave.

On 28/12/2011 19:18, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Wed, 28 Dec 2011 18:50:00 -0000, David WE Roberts wrote:

Even the "common sense" of where to shift it to will illude some.

"Concise Oxford English Dictionary © 2008 Oxford University Press:
illude /?'l(j)u?d/?
?verb literary trick; delude.
- origin ME: from L. illudere 'to mock'."

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/illude

illude
1.to deceive or trick.

2.Obsolete.
a. to mock or ridicule.
b. to evade.

elude is the more correct word.


You guys are wasting your time.

Did anyone ever find our whether Roger Chapman meant elusive or
illusive? (29/11, climate model debate)

Andy

On Dec 25, 2:49*pm, "David WE Roberts" wrote:
In our avenue someone has organised with the Council to supply one of those
yellow road salt/grit bins which allow you to grit paths, drives, the roads,
your neighbours garden which has always irritated you etc.

Quite a good deal (we think).

The residents pay for the bin, then the Council keep it filled at no extra
charge.

Cost us £9 for our contribution, so certainly worth a punt.

I mention it here because

(a) It seesm like a good idea if you have problems with local icy conditions
and the gritting lorries ignoring you
(b) Because you have to do it yourself - both buying the bin and spreading
the salt/grit :-)

Merry Christmas

Dave R

--
No plan survives contact with the enemy.
[Not even bunny]

Helmuth von Moltke the Elder

(\__/)
(='.'=)
(")_(")

In York they just drop off a blue builder's bag of road salt and keep
topping it up. I used about a third of this and did the whole of our
street with it (about 35 houses) last year. Since they've never been
known to grit our street, it's only fair we don't pay extra for this.