Hi all

I am converting an outside brick built store and covered area into a utility
room

My plan is to run a 6mm twin and earth from a spare 30amp breaker to the
room along with a 10mm earth cable

What I would like in there is a garage type consumer unit with rcd and
6+16+32 breakers

The 16 being for a future feed for garden shed using 2.5 swa

I can find reasonably cheap garage consumer units at all the usual places
but cannot see one with 3 breakers along with the rcd main switch

I am considering spurring the shed off of the 32amp circuit with a 13 amp
switched fuse spur which would remove the need for a 3rd breaker

What do the team recommend

Regards

On 17/08/2011 00:33, TMC wrote:
Hi all

I am converting an outside brick built store and covered area into a
utility room

Is this attached to the house, or some distance from it? (if remote,
then T&E might not be the best choice)

My plan is to run a 6mm twin and earth from a spare 30amp breaker to the
room along with a 10mm earth cable

Presumably you have a PME supply and are extending the equipotential
zone to the outbuilding?

What I would like in there is a garage type consumer unit with rcd and
6+16+32 breakers

The 16 being for a future feed for garden shed using 2.5 swa

I can find reasonably cheap garage consumer units at all the usual
places but cannot see one with 3 breakers along with the rcd main switch

Not sure if you will find a ready populated CU with all the bits you
want already in it, but three way CUs are available:

http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/HGVC203.html

However, if you expect to need three ways, then I would always install
at least one more to allow for future options. Plenty of brands do 4 way
boxes.

(buy your own RCD for the above)


I am considering spurring the shed off of the 32amp circuit with a 13
amp switched fuse spur which would remove the need for a 3rd breaker

What do the team recommend

Don't cut down you options by fitting the "exact size" now - allow for
some expansion.


--
Cheers,

John.

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On 17/08/2011 00:33, TMC wrote:
Hi all

I am converting an outside brick built store and covered area into a
utility room

Is this attached to the house, or some distance from it? (if remote, then
T&E might not be the best choice)

My plan is to run a 6mm twin and earth from a spare 30amp breaker to the
room along with a 10mm earth cable

Presumably you have a PME supply and are extending the equipotential zone
to the outbuilding?

What I would like in there is a garage type consumer unit with rcd and
6+16+32 breakers

The 16 being for a future feed for garden shed using 2.5 swa

I can find reasonably cheap garage consumer units at all the usual
places but cannot see one with 3 breakers along with the rcd main switch

Not sure if you will find a ready populated CU with all the bits you want
already in it, but three way CUs are available:

http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/HGVC203.html

However, if you expect to need three ways, then I would always install at
least one more to allow for future options. Plenty of brands do 4 way
boxes.

(buy your own RCD for the above)


I am considering spurring the shed off of the 32amp circuit with a 13
amp switched fuse spur which would remove the need for a 3rd breaker

What do the team recommend

Don't cut down you options by fitting the "exact size" now - allow for
some expansion.


--
Cheers,

John.

Hi John


Yep just extending the existing bonding to the utility room.

Distance from incoming mains supply to room is 10 metres

I was coming t the same conclusion regarding the consumer unit but am trying
to keep the overall costs down as there is a lot of work to do on the house
and the garage units are only about 20ukp

I will cost an an unpopulated box and bits for a 4 way

Thanks for the help

Regards

On 17/08/2011 09:13, TMC wrote:

"John Rumm" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 17/08/2011 00:33, TMC wrote:
Hi all

I am converting an outside brick built store and covered area into a
utility room

Is this attached to the house, or some distance from it? (if remote,
then T&E might not be the best choice)

My plan is to run a 6mm twin and earth from a spare 30amp breaker to the
room along with a 10mm earth cable

Presumably you have a PME supply and are extending the equipotential
zone to the outbuilding?

What I would like in there is a garage type consumer unit with rcd and
6+16+32 breakers

The 16 being for a future feed for garden shed using 2.5 swa

I can find reasonably cheap garage consumer units at all the usual
places but cannot see one with 3 breakers along with the rcd main switch

Not sure if you will find a ready populated CU with all the bits you
want already in it, but three way CUs are available:

http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/HGVC203.html

However, if you expect to need three ways, then I would always install
at least one more to allow for future options. Plenty of brands do 4
way boxes.

(buy your own RCD for the above)


I am considering spurring the shed off of the 32amp circuit with a 13
amp switched fuse spur which would remove the need for a 3rd breaker

What do the team recommend

Don't cut down you options by fitting the "exact size" now - allow for
some expansion.


--
Cheers,

John.

Hi John


Yep just extending the existing bonding to the utility room.

Distance from incoming mains supply to room is 10 metres

I was coming t the same conclusion regarding the consumer unit but am
trying to keep the overall costs down as there is a lot of work to do on
the house and the garage units are only about 20ukp

I will cost an an unpopulated box and bits for a 4 way

If you started with something like:

http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/CPR048M.html

you would only need add £6 worth of MCBs after...


--
Cheers,

John.

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"John Rumm" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 17/08/2011 09:13, TMC wrote:

"John Rumm" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 17/08/2011 00:33, TMC wrote:
Hi all

I am converting an outside brick built store and covered area into a
utility room

Is this attached to the house, or some distance from it? (if remote,
then T&E might not be the best choice)

My plan is to run a 6mm twin and earth from a spare 30amp breaker to
the
room along with a 10mm earth cable

Presumably you have a PME supply and are extending the equipotential
zone to the outbuilding?

What I would like in there is a garage type consumer unit with rcd and
6+16+32 breakers

The 16 being for a future feed for garden shed using 2.5 swa

I can find reasonably cheap garage consumer units at all the usual
places but cannot see one with 3 breakers along with the rcd main
switch

Not sure if you will find a ready populated CU with all the bits you
want already in it, but three way CUs are available:

http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/HGVC203.html

However, if you expect to need three ways, then I would always install
at least one more to allow for future options. Plenty of brands do 4
way boxes.

(buy your own RCD for the above)


I am considering spurring the shed off of the 32amp circuit with a 13
amp switched fuse spur which would remove the need for a 3rd breaker

What do the team recommend

Don't cut down you options by fitting the "exact size" now - allow for
some expansion.


--
Cheers,

John.

Hi John


Yep just extending the existing bonding to the utility room.

Distance from incoming mains supply to room is 10 metres

I was coming t the same conclusion regarding the consumer unit but am
trying to keep the overall costs down as there is a lot of work to do on
the house and the garage units are only about 20ukp

I will cost an an unpopulated box and bits for a 4 way

If you started with something like:

http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/CPR048M.html

you would only need add £6 worth of MCBs after...


--
Cheers,

John.



Hi John

Had come to a similar conclusion

As the utility room is essentially part of the house in that it is connected
by a 6" thick concrete canopy and the area below is being enclosed to make a
lobby area I am thinking of using a main switch consumer unit with mcbs and
using an rcbo for the shed circuit as I would not want damp in the shed to
knock out the freezer in the utility room

The contactum range looks better priced than most other brands

Regards

On Aug 17, 11:02*am, "TMC" wrote:
"John Rumm" wrote in message

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On 17/08/2011 09:13, TMC wrote:

"John Rumm" wrote in message
news:08SdnewuGa4niNbTnZ2dnUVZ8gKdnZ2d@brightview .co.uk...
On 17/08/2011 00:33, TMC wrote:
Hi all

I am converting an outside brick built store and covered area into a
utility room

Is this attached to the house, or some distance from it? (if remote,
then T&E might not be the best choice)

My plan is to run a 6mm twin and earth from a spare 30amp breaker to
the
room along with a 10mm earth cable

Presumably you have a PME supply and are extending the equipotential
zone to the outbuilding?

What I would like in there is a garage type consumer unit with rcd and
6+16+32 breakers

The 16 being for a future feed for garden shed using 2.5 swa

I can find reasonably cheap garage consumer units at all the usual
places but cannot see one with 3 breakers along with the rcd main
switch

Not sure if you will find a ready populated CU with all the bits you
want already in it, but three way CUs are available:

http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/HGVC203.html

However, if you expect to need three ways, then I would always install
at least one more to allow for future options. Plenty of brands do 4
way boxes.

(buy your own RCD for the above)

I am considering spurring the shed off of the 32amp circuit with a 13
amp switched fuse spur which would remove the need for a 3rd breaker

What do the team recommend

Don't cut down you options by fitting the "exact size" now - allow for
some expansion.

--
Cheers,

John.

Hi John

Yep just extending the existing bonding to the utility room.

Distance from incoming mains supply to room is 10 metres

I was coming t the same conclusion regarding the consumer unit but am
trying to keep the overall costs down as there is a lot of work to do on
the house and the garage units are only about 20ukp

I will cost an an unpopulated box and bits for a 4 way

If you started with something like:

http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/CPR048M.html

you would only need add £6 worth of MCBs after...

--
Cheers,

John.

Hi John

Had come to a similar conclusion

As the utility room is essentially part of the house in that it is connected
by a 6" thick concrete canopy and the area below is being enclosed to make a
lobby area I am thinking of using a main switch consumer unit with mcbs and
using an rcbo for the shed circuit as I would not want damp in the shed to
knock out the freezer in the utility room

The contactum range looks better priced than most other brands

Regards

I've dealt with three CU's for sheds with inexpensive buys off Ebay.
One is a bit bigger than needed but who really care - it was cheap!
Rob

TMC wrote:
"John Rumm" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 17/08/2011 09:13, TMC wrote:

"John Rumm" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 17/08/2011 00:33, TMC wrote:
Hi all

I am converting an outside brick built store and covered area
into a utility room

Is this attached to the house, or some distance from it? (if
remote, then T&E might not be the best choice)

My plan is to run a 6mm twin and earth from a spare 30amp breaker
to the
room along with a 10mm earth cable

Presumably you have a PME supply and are extending the
equipotential zone to the outbuilding?

What I would like in there is a garage type consumer unit with
rcd and 6+16+32 breakers

The 16 being for a future feed for garden shed using 2.5 swa

I can find reasonably cheap garage consumer units at all the usual
places but cannot see one with 3 breakers along with the rcd main
switch

Not sure if you will find a ready populated CU with all the bits
you want already in it, but three way CUs are available:

http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/HGVC203.html

However, if you expect to need three ways, then I would always
install at least one more to allow for future options. Plenty of
brands do 4 way boxes.

(buy your own RCD for the above)


I am considering spurring the shed off of the 32amp circuit with
a 13 amp switched fuse spur which would remove the need for a 3rd
breaker What do the team recommend

Don't cut down you options by fitting the "exact size" now - allow
for some expansion.


--
Cheers,

John.

Hi John


Yep just extending the existing bonding to the utility room.

Distance from incoming mains supply to room is 10 metres

I was coming t the same conclusion regarding the consumer unit but
am trying to keep the overall costs down as there is a lot of work
to do on the house and the garage units are only about 20ukp

I will cost an an unpopulated box and bits for a 4 way

If you started with something like:

http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/CPR048M.html

you would only need add £6 worth of MCBs after...


--
Cheers,

John.



Hi John

Had come to a similar conclusion

As the utility room is essentially part of the house in that it is
connected by a 6" thick concrete canopy and the area below is being
enclosed to make a lobby area I am thinking of using a main switch
consumer unit with mcbs and using an rcbo for the shed circuit as I
would not want damp in the shed to knock out the freezer in the
utility room

It's going to cost more if you want a split load CU that allows you to use
RCBOs on the non RCD side.

The contactum range looks better priced than most other brands

I believe that I have a Wylex 100A 30mA main switch knocking about in the
back of my van if you want it.


--
Adam

"ARWadsworth" wrote in message
...
TMC wrote:
"John Rumm" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 17/08/2011 09:13, TMC wrote:

"John Rumm" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 17/08/2011 00:33, TMC wrote:
Hi all

I am converting an outside brick built store and covered area
into a utility room

Is this attached to the house, or some distance from it? (if
remote, then T&E might not be the best choice)

My plan is to run a 6mm twin and earth from a spare 30amp breaker
to the
room along with a 10mm earth cable

Presumably you have a PME supply and are extending the
equipotential zone to the outbuilding?

What I would like in there is a garage type consumer unit with
rcd and 6+16+32 breakers

The 16 being for a future feed for garden shed using 2.5 swa

I can find reasonably cheap garage consumer units at all the usual
places but cannot see one with 3 breakers along with the rcd main
switch

Not sure if you will find a ready populated CU with all the bits
you want already in it, but three way CUs are available:

http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/HGVC203.html

However, if you expect to need three ways, then I would always
install at least one more to allow for future options. Plenty of
brands do 4 way boxes.

(buy your own RCD for the above)


I am considering spurring the shed off of the 32amp circuit with
a 13 amp switched fuse spur which would remove the need for a 3rd
breaker What do the team recommend

Don't cut down you options by fitting the "exact size" now - allow
for some expansion.


--
Cheers,

John.

Hi John


Yep just extending the existing bonding to the utility room.

Distance from incoming mains supply to room is 10 metres

I was coming t the same conclusion regarding the consumer unit but
am trying to keep the overall costs down as there is a lot of work
to do on the house and the garage units are only about 20ukp

I will cost an an unpopulated box and bits for a 4 way

If you started with something like:

http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/CPR048M.html

you would only need add £6 worth of MCBs after...


--
Cheers,

John.



Hi John

Had come to a similar conclusion

As the utility room is essentially part of the house in that it is
connected by a 6" thick concrete canopy and the area below is being
enclosed to make a lobby area I am thinking of using a main switch
consumer unit with mcbs and using an rcbo for the shed circuit as I
would not want damp in the shed to knock out the freezer in the
utility room

It's going to cost more if you want a split load CU that allows you to use
RCBOs on the non RCD side.

The contactum range looks better priced than most other brands

I believe that I have a Wylex 100A 30mA main switch knocking about in the
back of my van if you want it.


--
Adam



Hi Adam

Thanks for the offer however I have gone with the contactum unit

Love the videos by the way

Who needs TV with neighbours like yours

Regards

Tony

TMC wrote:
"ARWadsworth" wrote in message
...
TMC wrote:
"John Rumm" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 17/08/2011 09:13, TMC wrote:

"John Rumm" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 17/08/2011 00:33, TMC wrote:
Hi all

I am converting an outside brick built store and covered area
into a utility room

Is this attached to the house, or some distance from it? (if
remote, then T&E might not be the best choice)

My plan is to run a 6mm twin and earth from a spare 30amp
breaker to the
room along with a 10mm earth cable

Presumably you have a PME supply and are extending the
equipotential zone to the outbuilding?

What I would like in there is a garage type consumer unit with
rcd and 6+16+32 breakers

The 16 being for a future feed for garden shed using 2.5 swa

I can find reasonably cheap garage consumer units at all the
usual places but cannot see one with 3 breakers along with the
rcd main switch

Not sure if you will find a ready populated CU with all the bits
you want already in it, but three way CUs are available:

http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/HGVC203.html

However, if you expect to need three ways, then I would always
install at least one more to allow for future options. Plenty of
brands do 4 way boxes.

(buy your own RCD for the above)


I am considering spurring the shed off of the 32amp circuit with
a 13 amp switched fuse spur which would remove the need for a
3rd breaker What do the team recommend

Don't cut down you options by fitting the "exact size" now -
allow for some expansion.


--
Cheers,

John.

Hi John


Yep just extending the existing bonding to the utility room.

Distance from incoming mains supply to room is 10 metres

I was coming t the same conclusion regarding the consumer unit but
am trying to keep the overall costs down as there is a lot of work
to do on the house and the garage units are only about 20ukp

I will cost an an unpopulated box and bits for a 4 way

If you started with something like:

http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/CPR048M.html

you would only need add £6 worth of MCBs after...


--
Cheers,

John.



Hi John

Had come to a similar conclusion

As the utility room is essentially part of the house in that it is
connected by a 6" thick concrete canopy and the area below is being
enclosed to make a lobby area I am thinking of using a main switch
consumer unit with mcbs and using an rcbo for the shed circuit as I
would not want damp in the shed to knock out the freezer in the
utility room

It's going to cost more if you want a split load CU that allows you
to use RCBOs on the non RCD side.

The contactum range looks better priced than most other brands

I believe that I have a Wylex 100A 30mA main switch knocking about
in the back of my van if you want it.


--
Adam



Hi Adam

Thanks for the offer however I have gone with the contactum unit

No worries. I was a bit too late with my offer (I had to go to work etc)

Love the videos by the way

Who needs TV with neighbours like yours

They are good fun.

--
Adam