Having a key crisis with the Mondeo. I think I've locked the keys in the
boot (estate), as opening it was the last time I had them. This wouldn't
be a great problem expect that the spare keys seem to have gone AWOL as
well.

Very annoying and frustrating - and I can't even blame anyone else.

So could be angle grinder time :-)
--
Chris French

On Jun 12, 3:47*pm, chris French
wrote:
Having a key crisis with the Mondeo. I think I've locked the keys in the
boot (estate), as opening it was the last time I had them. This wouldn't
be a great problem expect that the spare keys seem to have gone AWOL as
well.

Very annoying and frustrating - and I can't even blame anyone else.

So could be angle grinder time *:-)


call the local dealer for new keys


NT

chris French wrote:
Having a key crisis with the Mondeo. I think I've locked the keys in the
boot (estate), as opening it was the last time I had them. This wouldn't
be a great problem expect that the spare keys seem to have gone AWOL as
well.

Very annoying and frustrating - and I can't even blame anyone else.

So could be angle grinder time :-)

if access is not possible via rear seat, then simply get a screwdriver
in the bootlock if it has one, and wrench the lock.

Otherwise jemmy the boot open.

chris French wrote:
Having a key crisis with the Mondeo. I think I've locked the keys in the
boot (estate), as opening it was the last time I had them. This wouldn't
be a great problem expect that the spare keys seem to have gone AWOL as
well.

Very annoying and frustrating - and I can't even blame anyone else.

So could be angle grinder time :-)

Local locksmith. I used the guy that supplies the keys for our coaches,
and he did the job in moments. The AA can get in quickly, too.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

John Williamson wrote:

chris French wrote:

Having a key crisis with the Mondeo. I think I've locked the keys
in the boot

The AA can get in quickly, too.

http://www.axminster.co.uk/winbag-ai...es-prod649735/

In message , The Natural Philosopher
writes
chris French wrote:
Having a key crisis with the Mondeo. I think I've locked the keys in
the boot (estate), as opening it was the last time I had them. This
wouldn't be a great problem expect that the spare keys seem to have
gone AWOL as well.
Very annoying and frustrating - and I can't even blame anyone else.
So could be angle grinder time :-)

if access is not possible via rear seat,

I need to get into the car first (sorry, ambiguous post, all locked
otherwise it'd be no problem as it's an estate). Not so easy nowadays
without damage. The Mondeo deadlocks, so no getting something to pull
the door handle from inside etc. (apparently, ramming screwdriver into
the lock was a way to get the door open without setting off the alarm)

then simply get a screwdriver in the bootlock if it has one, and
wrench the lock.

Otherwise jemmy the boot open.

I'd rather avoid damaging the locks or car. If I was going to cause
damage breaking in, probably putting the windscreen in would be the best
way. Just a £50 quid excess to pay for an insurance replacement.
--
Chris French

In message , John Williamson
writes
chris French wrote:
Having a key crisis with the Mondeo. I think I've locked the keys in
the boot (estate), as opening it was the last time I had them. This
wouldn't be a great problem expect that the spare keys seem to have
gone AWOL as well.
Very annoying and frustrating - and I can't even blame anyone else.
So could be angle grinder time :-)

Local locksmith. I used the guy that supplies the keys for our coaches,
and he did the job in moments. The AA can get in quickly, too.


Well, next stop is the breakdown service tomorrow morning.

Most annoying really is the missing keys, Just assumed really that they
would have turned up by now. They were here a few days ago, but seems to
have gone into another dimensions, can't find them anywhere.

Now if it had been the old Mk3 Cortina I had in my early 20's, I could
open the driver's door with the ends of the handle of a teaspoon :-)
--
Chris French

On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 19:27:45 +0100, chris French
wrote:

In message , The Natural Philosopher
writes
chris French wrote:
Having a key crisis with the Mondeo. I think I've locked the keys in
the boot (estate), as opening it was the last time I had them. This
wouldn't be a great problem expect that the spare keys seem to have
gone AWOL as well.
Very annoying and frustrating - and I can't even blame anyone else.
So could be angle grinder time :-)

if access is not possible via rear seat,

I need to get into the car first (sorry, ambiguous post, all locked
otherwise it'd be no problem as it's an estate). Not so easy nowadays
without damage. The Mondeo deadlocks, so no getting something to pull
the door handle from inside etc. (apparently, ramming screwdriver into
the lock was a way to get the door open without setting off the alarm)

then simply get a screwdriver in the bootlock if it has one, and
wrench the lock.

Otherwise jemmy the boot open.

I'd rather avoid damaging the locks or car. If I was going to cause
damage breaking in, probably putting the windscreen in would be the best
way. Just a £50 quid excess to pay for an insurance replacement.

I don't suppose the window winders work with the ignition turned off?
I solved a similar problem last year by easing a straightened metal
coathanger behind the door seal and operating the window rocker
switch. (Different car, different continent so probably doesn't apply
here)

Nick

In message , chris French
wrote

Now if it had been the old Mk3 Cortina I had in my early 20's,

Ford only made one pattern of key and used it for every MK3 Cortina in
the country
--
Alan
news2009 {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk

chris French wrote:
In message , John Williamson
writes
chris French wrote:
Having a key crisis with the Mondeo. I think I've locked the keys in
the boot (estate), as opening it was the last time I had them. This
wouldn't be a great problem expect that the spare keys seem to have
gone AWOL as well.
Very annoying and frustrating - and I can't even blame anyone else.
So could be angle grinder time :-)

Local locksmith. I used the guy that supplies the keys for our
coaches, and he did the job in moments. The AA can get in quickly, too.


Well, next stop is the breakdown service tomorrow morning.

Most annoying really is the missing keys, Just assumed really that they
would have turned up by now. They were here a few days ago, but seems to
have gone into another dimensions, can't find them anywhere.

They'll be down the back of the sofa. If not yours, then someone else's.

Now if it had been the old Mk3 Cortina I had in my early 20's, I could
open the driver's door with the ends of the handle of a teaspoon :-)

Any Ford of that era, IIRC.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

On 12/06/2011 15:47, chris French wrote:
Having a key crisis with the Mondeo. I think I've locked the keys in the
boot (estate), as opening it was the last time I had them. This wouldn't
be a great problem expect that the spare keys seem to have gone AWOL as
well.

Very annoying and frustrating - and I can't even blame anyone else.

So could be angle grinder time :-)

When I worked as site supervisor at the local primary school, a teacher
managed to lock her key inside her car.

The RAC was called by the head and I watched how he got it unlocked.

What he did was this...

Get a soft (plastic) screw driver type of tool and prize the top back
corner of the door so he could put in a plastic door wedge, lubricate
the door seals at the top and then get his dedicated tool to insert into
the interior and get to the door lock button.

Result took less that 5 minutes and the car door was open.

Now you will either have to get behind the rear seat and retrieve your
keys, or have to unlock the rear tail gate. On this latter move, I am
not to sure how to go about it, but I am told it is doable.

Dave

On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 22:14:30 +0100, Dave wrote:

... tool to insert into the interior and get to the door lock button.

I've done that with a bit of stiffish wire but with a door lock
button that was mushroom shaped. Why do you think door lock buttons
now disappear down a hole or are some what harder to grasp with
something shoved through the seal. Seen another approach with a thin
bit of steel with a diagonal slot in the end you pushed this strip
through the window seal to hook the control rods inside the door.
Most cars now have covers over those parts to prevent that. I've
heard that thumping some cars in the right place will make them
unlock as they think they have been in a collision...

Call the AA/RAC the operator will probably know if that make/model is
easy or hard and send a man round.

--
Cheers
Dave.

Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 22:14:30 +0100, Dave wrote:

... tool to insert into the interior and get to the door lock button.

I've done that with a bit of stiffish wire but with a door lock
button that was mushroom shaped. Why do you think door lock buttons
now disappear down a hole or are some what harder to grasp with
something shoved through the seal. Seen another approach with a thin
bit of steel with a diagonal slot in the end you pushed this strip
through the window seal to hook the control rods inside the door.
Most cars now have covers over those parts to prevent that. I've
heard that thumping some cars in the right place will make them
unlock as they think they have been in a collision...

...along with blowing teh airbags..

Call the AA/RAC the operator will probably know if that make/model is
easy or hard and send a man round.

I'd rather avoid damaging the locks or car. If I was going to cause damage
breaking in, probably putting the windscreen in would be the best way.
Just a £50 quid excess to pay for an insurance replacement.

why the windscreen? all the windows are covered by the insurance on most
policies, so just punt in a quarter light if the car has them, or a side
window, and they are just toughened glass, so shatter into small pieces you
can easily knock out, rather than the laminated windscreen which you'd have
to cut through the plastic inner lamination.

but someone else has pointed out, call the RAC/AA out if your a member, your
covered for lockouts, i used to do about 5 or 6 a week when i worked for the
rac,
and amazed most people just how fast you can get into a car with a little
know how and a seemingly simple length of flat spring steel with a notch in
it.

of course nowadays modern cars protect the locking mechanisms better down
the doors (i came accross a load of cars that had well protected front door
locking mechanisms, but totally unprotected rear ones)

deadlocks are a pain, but if you have locked the keys in the car, it's
unlikely to be deadlocked, and you usually have to do something like turn
the lock with the key, or press a button on the remote, which is inside the
car so you've only locked it due to the lock button being pushed down and
the door being shut.

there was a car that had the auto door lock release sensor live all the
time, and a well aimed kick on the front bumper would cause the doors to
unlock, i cant recall what car it was either now, and probably been fixed
with a recall,
some cars used to unlock remotely if you held a one-2-one (prior to
T-mobile) near it and made a call, but that is going back a bit,

On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 00:52:14 +0100, Gazz wrote:

probably putting the windscreen in would be the best way. Just a
£50
quid excess to pay for an insurance replacement.

why the windscreen? all the windows are covered by the insurance on most
policies,

Covered for deliberate action by the insured? ... B-)

... the laminated windscreen which you'd have to cut through the plastic
inner lamination.

Which is not a bit cling film, it's very tough and about 1mm thick.
As you say go for a 1/4 light or side window. A 1/4 light is going to
tweak the insurers curiosity, especially if nothing else is taken,
scroats tend not to do 1/4 lights...

deadlocks are a pain, but if you have locked the keys in the car, it's
unlikely to be deadlocked, and you usually have to do something like
turn the lock with the key, or press a button on the remote, which is
inside the car so you've only locked it

This is a Ford you can access the back without unlocking the front.
If the front was dead locked it still will be. The boot lid might not
be.

--
Cheers
Dave.

In message on Sun, 12 Jun 2011
19:37:24 +0100
chris French wrote:

In message , John Williamson
writes
chris French wrote:
Having a key crisis with the Mondeo. I think I've locked the keys in
the boot (estate), as opening it was the last time I had them. This
wouldn't be a great problem expect that the spare keys seem to have
gone AWOL as well.
Very annoying and frustrating - and I can't even blame anyone else.
So could be angle grinder time :-)

Local locksmith. I used the guy that supplies the keys for our coaches,
and he did the job in moments. The AA can get in quickly, too.


Well, next stop is the breakdown service tomorrow morning.

Most annoying really is the missing keys, Just assumed really that they
would have turned up by now. They were here a few days ago, but seems to
have gone into another dimensions, can't find them anywhere.

Now if it had been the old Mk3 Cortina I had in my early 20's, I could
open the driver's door with the ends of the handle of a teaspoon :-)

Check with Ford/Main Dealer to see if they keep records of the key code - a
short sequence of numbers that relate to the depth of each cut.

My 2nd hand Focus came from a leasing company and they had the key code typed
at the top of their vehicle history sheet so you might already have it!

Any key cutting service should be able to cut a key from this. You don't need a
key with a chip in it as you aren't going to use it to drive the car - just
unlock the boot.

Keep this spare key in a very safe place ready for the next time it happens ...

--

Terry

In message , chris French
writes
In message , John Williamson
writes
chris French wrote:
Having a key crisis with the Mondeo. I think I've locked the keys in
the boot (estate), as opening it was the last time I had them. This
wouldn't be a great problem expect that the spare keys seem to have
gone AWOL as well.
Very annoying and frustrating - and I can't even blame anyone else.
So could be angle grinder time :-)

Local locksmith. I used the guy that supplies the keys for our
coaches, and he did the job in moments. The AA can get in quickly, too.


Well, next stop is the breakdown service tomorrow morning.


Well, he came, he wiggled , he opened :-) He was able to unlock via
opening the inside handle, so obviously it wasn't deadlocked (shame, I
fancied seeing how that is overcome)

I know now that Draper do a special set of tools for getting into locked
cars. He used a posh version of the coat hanger in the top of the door.
It was sort of roughly Z shaped on it's side. Poke down between window
and outside of door. Bring it back up inside, and then down again. The
inside end of the Z was shaped to go in the recess and release the
lever.

As it happens it was a mechanic from the garage just down the road who
do all our car servicing etc. 'Ah yes, we knew who you were Mr French'
:-)

But I did find out from that I could get the remote locking working
again by getting the system to relearn the code or something
(instructions on the web of course, I'd just not got round to looking it
up).
--
Chris French

On Jun 13, 12:47*am, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 22:14:30 +0100, Dave wrote:

... tool to insert into the interior and get to the door lock button.

I've done that with a bit of stiffish wire but with a door lock
button that was mushroom shaped. Why do you think door lock buttons
now disappear down a hole or are some what harder to grasp with
something shoved through the seal. Seen another approach with a thin
bit of steel with a diagonal slot in the end you pushed this strip
through the window seal to hook the control rods inside the door.
Most cars now have covers over those parts to prevent that. I've
heard that thumping some cars in the right place will make them
unlock as they think they have been in a collision...

..along with blowing teh airbags..







Call the AA/RAC the operator will probably know if that make/model is
easy or hard and send a man round.

The story about the mobile releasing the locks reminded me of having
one of the older series Skoda Octavias. We came our of a restaurant
directly across the road from where the car was parked to find all the
windows open - the scroat had fortunately reached into the back and
taken a holdall with some clothes in it. If he looked more carefully
he would have got £100 worth of Xmas presents. He then discovered the
bag had bugger all in it of value and stuffed it under the next car
up!!.

Apparantly that model, and possibly therefore all VAG cars of that
period, could have their window system zapped with some sort of
electronic gizmo.

On Jun 12, 7:37*pm, chris French
wrote:

Now if it had been the old Mk3 Cortina I had in my early 20's, I could
open the driver's door with the ends of the handle of a teaspoon :-)

It's a Ford - they're probably still using the same locks.

Last time I was locked out of a Ford (a Fester) I popped the rubber
trim out of the back window. Two teaspoons to get in, loop of string
to put it back afterwards, no damage.

On Jun 13, 12:47*am, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

Most cars now have covers over those parts to prevent that. I've
heard that thumping some cars in the right place will make them
unlock as they think they have been in a collision...

..along with blowing teh airbags..

Not on Fords (the infamous culprit for the easily triggered impact
sensor). On every car, the airbag igniters are powered by a
capacitor unit within the airbag controller or the airbag pack itself.
They aren't powered by the battery directly. The capacitor discharges
after an hour, and it isn't re-charged unless the ignition is switched
on (sometimes needing an engine start too). Kicking the bumper with
the ignition off (after an hour) migth still unlock it, and it might
even trigger the airbag controller, but it won't fire the airbags.