We had an interesting case in the local paper of a DIY enthusiast that
plumbed the water outlet of a heating system to his gas pipe.

Around a hundred or so people were without gas for the few days it
took to dry out the pipework.

There was no report of any repercussion to the boiler fitter, but the
gas suppliers had to provide alternative cooking facilities and
compensate their customers at the rate of £30.00 per day for the
period they were withoud gas.


Perhaps they cannot prosecute the boiler fitter?

It seems to me that none returns on gas and water supplies would be an
absolute must for any property.

If this character had decided to connect the oxygen from a welding kit
to the gas pipes, or had a whim to sterilize his water supply by
coupling a pressure washer output to his tap, then things could be
very serious.

Perhaps the gas suppliers were negligent in allowing something driven
by an external pressure source to enter their system?


Has anyone an opinion?


HN

On Sat, 07 May 2011 03:41:56 +0100 H. Neary wrote :
It seems to me that none returns on gas and water supplies would be
an absolute must for any property.

How often does something like this happen? 100 people x 3 days x
£30/day compensation = £9000. What would be the cost of installing
non-return valves? 30m? homes x £50? = £1.5bn.

Water regulations are meant to prevent backflow, but that's because
contaminating the mains water supply could have far more serious
consequences.

--
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On May 7, 3:41*am, H. Neary wrote:
We had an interesting case in the local paper of a DIY enthusiast that
plumbed the water outlet of a heating system to his gas pipe.

Around a hundred or so people were without gas for the few days it
took to dry out the pipework.

There was no report of any repercussion to the boiler fitter, but the
gas suppliers had to provide alternative cooking facilities and
compensate their customers at the rate of £30.00 per day for the
period they were withoud gas.

Perhaps they cannot prosecute the boiler fitter?

It seems to me that none returns on gas and water supplies would be an
absolute must for any property.

If this character had decided to connect the oxygen from a welding kit
to the gas pipes, or had a whim to sterilize his water supply by
coupling a pressure washer output to his tap, then things could be
very serious.

Perhaps the gas suppliers were negligent in allowing something driven
by an external pressure source to enter their system?

Has anyone an opinion?

HN

The idiot probably hasn't done anything criminal, but I would expect
the gas co to try to recover damages from him - if they think he has
either insurance, or the money - otherwise no point. He may come to
the attention of his local Building Control Dept too.

On May 7, 3:41*am, H. Neary wrote:
We had an interesting case in the local paper of a DIY enthusiast that
plumbed the water outlet of a heating system to his gas pipe.

Around a hundred or so people were without gas for the few days it
took to dry out the pipework.

There was no report of any repercussion to the boiler fitter, but the
gas suppliers had to provide alternative cooking facilities and
compensate their customers at the rate of £30.00 per day for the
period they were withoud gas.

Perhaps they cannot prosecute the boiler fitter?

It seems to me that none returns on gas and water supplies would be an
absolute must for any property.

If this character had decided to connect the oxygen from a welding kit
to the gas pipes, or had a whim to sterilize his water supply by
coupling a pressure washer output to his tap, then things could be
very serious.

Perhaps the gas suppliers were negligent in allowing something driven
by an external pressure source to enter their system?

Has anyone an opinion?

HN

Are you one of the bods behind the endless unnecessary regulations we
have today?


NT

In article ,
H. Neary wrote:
We had an interesting case in the local paper of a DIY enthusiast that
plumbed the water outlet of a heating system to his gas pipe.

Did he use a hacksaw?

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"H. Neary" wrote in message
...
We had an interesting case in the local paper of a DIY enthusiast that
plumbed the water outlet of a heating system to his gas pipe.

Around a hundred or so people were without gas for the few days it
took to dry out the pipework.



Similar theme .... I live on coast and a couple of years ago noticed a
'untreated sewage slick' at turn of the tide.
Not very nice when you are waterskiing.

Took bearings of where it was coming from, reported it to water Authority
.......... they resolved, let me know .. and also sued culprit for lots of
money.

A new building development had gone in, and the developer had
cross-connected foul drain to surface water !

On Sat, 07 May 2011 11:22:04 +0100, Rick Hughes wrote:

A new building development had gone in, and the developer had
cross-connected foul drain to surface water !

Not quite "Brazil" then ;-)

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On May 7, 3:41*am, H. Neary wrote:
We had an interesting case in the local paper of a DIY enthusiast that
plumbed the water outlet of a heating system to his gas pipe.

I suspect, but don't know, that the governor on the gas meter has a
non-return feature which should make it lock up against a reverse
pressure.
Whether it is capable of this, whether it failed or whether it was
wrecked by the water pressure, I neither know nor care.,

On Fri, 06 May 2011 23:36:39 -0700, wrote:

The idiot probably hasn't done anything criminal

Probably has: cba to trawl through the Gas Safety (Installation and Use)
Regulations 1998 or any other legislation but I'd be surprised if there
isn't something to get him on.


--
John Stumbles -- http://yaph.co.uk

I used to be forgetful but now I ... um ....

On Sat, 07 May 2011 03:41:56 +0100, H. Neary wrote:

It seems to me that none returns on gas and water supplies would be an
absolute must for any property.

I think it would be very difficult to engineer a valve that didn't drop
an appreciable amount of the gas supply pressure - a few tens of
millibars on the supply side - but could hold off a few bar of water
pressure.


--
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When I die, I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my father did,
not screaming in terror like his passengers.

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember YAPH saying
something like:

I think it would be very difficult to engineer a valve that didn't drop
an appreciable amount of the gas supply pressure - a few tens of
millibars on the supply side - but could hold off a few bar of water
pressure.

What about a hanging flap valve?

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember H. Neary
saying something like:

Has anyone an opinion?

Bloke was a ****.
http://www.thisisstaffordshire.co.uk...l/article.html

Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember H. Neary
saying something like:

Has anyone an opinion?

Bloke was a ****.

http://www.thisisstaffordshire.co.uk...article.htmlIs the date correct on the article? ie 15th April."Kerry Aubrey, aged 32, and her niece, five-year-old Jasmin Horton, ofDenbigh Street, have been trying to keep warm with an electric fan heaterissued by the firm.She said: "It has kept my living room warm, but it has been freezing atnight and I have had to sleep in my dressing gown."How cold was it this April? I can keep a 3 bed semi warm enough to live inwith a minus 10 outside temperature and just two 2kW fan heaters. I thinkthat she is a lying bitch.--Adam

ARWadsworth wrote:
Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember H. Neary
saying something like:

Has anyone an opinion?

Bloke was a ****.

http://www.thisisstaffordshire.co.uk...article.htmlIs
the date correct on the article? ie 15th April."Kerry Aubrey, aged
32, and her niece, five-year-old Jasmin Horton, ofDenbigh Street,
have been trying to keep warm with an electric fan heaterissued by
the firm.She said: "It has kept my living room warm, but it has been
freezing atnight and I have had to sleep in my dressing gown."How
cold was it this April? I can keep a 3 bed semi warm enough to live
inwith a minus 10 outside temperature and just two 2kW fan heaters. I
thinkthat she is a lying bitch.--Adam

I have no idea why my computer formatted the message like that. It should
have looked like this

http://www.thisisstaffordshire.co.uk...l/article.html

Is the date correct on the article? ie 15th April.

"Kerry Aubrey, aged 32, and her niece, five-year-old Jasmin Horton, of
Denbigh Street, have been trying to keep warm with an electric fan heater
issued by the firm.She said: "It has kept my living room warm, but it has
been freezing at night and I have had to sleep in my dressing gown.

"How cold was it this April? I can keep a 3 bed semi warm enough to live in
with a minus 10 outside temperature and just two 2kW fan heaters. I think
that she is a lying bitch.


--
Adam

On Sat, 07 May 2011 13:17:14 +0000, YAPH wrote:

On Fri, 06 May 2011 23:36:39 -0700, wrote:

The idiot probably hasn't done anything criminal

Probably has: cba to trawl through the Gas Safety (Installation and Use)
Regulations 1998 or any other legislation but I'd be surprised if there
isn't something to get him on.

Actually looks like a clear case of breach of section 3(1) of the GSIUR
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1...ulation/3/made
"No person shall carry out any work in relation to a gas fitting or gas
storage vessel unless he is competent to do so."


--
John Stumbles -- http://yaph.co.uk

Hypnotising Hypnotists Can Be Tricky

YAPH wrote:
On Sat, 07 May 2011 13:17:14 +0000, YAPH wrote:

On Fri, 06 May 2011 23:36:39 -0700, wrote:

The idiot probably hasn't done anything criminal

Probably has: cba to trawl through the Gas Safety (Installation and
Use) Regulations 1998 or any other legislation but I'd be surprised
if there isn't something to get him on.

Actually looks like a clear case of breach of section 3(1) of the
GSIUR http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1...ulation/3/made
"No person shall carry out any work in relation to a gas fitting or
gas storage vessel unless he is competent to do so."

You mean he was a ******?

--
Adam

On Sat, 7 May 2011 12:40:54 -0700 (PDT), Owain
wrote:

On May 7, 5:58*pm, "ARWadsworth" wrote:
"How cold was it this April? I can keep a 3 bed semi warm enough to live in
with a minus 10 outside temperature and just two 2kW fan heaters. I think
that she is a lying bitch.

Not very cold at all.

"The average UK temperature was 3.7 °C above normal meaning it was the
warmest April on record since 1910. In central England, it was the
warmest April for over 350 years. ... A minimum temperature of -5.4
°C was recorded at Tulloch Bridge, Highland early on 26th."

So unless S-on-T has moved quite a few hundred miles north since I was
there last.

Owain

It was cool on one or two nights last month. I did have the heating on
most of the time, but it wasn't that uncomfortable.

Anyway I have to go. I must feed the penguins their oatcakes.

HN

On Sat, 7 May 2011 17:58:27 +0100, ARWadsworth wrote:

She said: "It has kept my living room warm, but it has been
freezing
atnight and I have had to sleep in my dressing gown.

You are making a few assumptions:

That she isn't one of these people who has the house at 25C.
That she doesn't sleep in the buff under a single light weight sheet
('cause the hous is at 25C...).

"How cold was it this April? I can keep a 3 bed semi warm enough
to
live inwith a minus 10 outside temperature and just two 2kW fan
heaters.

Another assumption that the place is well insulated.

No mention of moving fan heater to bedroom at night though.

'twas about 5C up here around the 13th/14th with a strong wind. I
know April is supposed to have been the warmest since records began
but I'm pretty damn sure it hasn't been here. The periods with the
easterlies where pretty cool. We didn't quite get air frosts in the
last week but it got down to 1C and some of the newest plant shoots
show signs of frost damage. Noticeable increase in oil consumption as
well.

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Cheers
Dave.