On 02/05/2011 23:18, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Mon, 02 May 2011 22:41:07 +0100, Old Codger wrote:

I cannot believe that most folk would normally find any of the
alternatives acceptable and certainly not below a second choice.

So you only rank those that you find acceptable from none, (spoil
your paper), to all or any number in between. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO RANK
THEM ALL.

So folk keep saying, and I do believe it to be true. But all the
propaganda, for and against, emphasises ranking all the candidates.
That means folk will rank candidates they would not vote for.

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On 03/05/2011 21:11, Old Codger wrote:
On 02/05/2011 23:18, Dave Liquorice wrote:


So you only rank those that you find acceptable from none, (spoil
your paper), to all or any number in between. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO RANK
THEM ALL.

So folk keep saying, and I do believe it to be true. But all the
propaganda, for and against, emphasises ranking all the candidates. That
means folk will rank candidates they would not vote for.


Hopefully, if AV is adopted, some better education will be available
before we actually have to *do* it!
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On 03/05/2011 23:37, Roger Mills wrote:
On 03/05/2011 21:11, Old Codger wrote:
On 02/05/2011 23:18, Dave Liquorice wrote:


So you only rank those that you find acceptable from none, (spoil
your paper), to all or any number in between. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO RANK
THEM ALL.

So folk keep saying, and I do believe it to be true. But all the
propaganda, for and against, emphasises ranking all the candidates. That
means folk will rank candidates they would not vote for.


Hopefully, if AV is adopted, some better education will be available
before we actually have to *do* it!

Ever the optimist aren't you. Remember we are dealing with politicians.
:-)

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Old Codger wrote:
Hopefully, if AV is adopted, some better education will be available
before we actually have to *do* it!

Ever the optimist aren't you. *Remember we are dealing with politicians..

....and voters. I've had people saying:
- they don't want to vote for Nick Clegg - well, ok, he's not a
candidate
anywhere in the country, go ahead
- people saying "can I just go to any polling station, then?"
- "I'm going to vote Labour (in the council election), 'cos they'll
get
rid of student fees and give ForgeMasters £80m"
- "I'm going to keep voting Labour as /hard/ /as/ /I/ /can/ until
they become real socialists and nationalise everything".

The problem with democracy is while anybody can vote, anybody can
vote.

JGH

jgharston wrote:


The problem with democracy is while anybody can vote, anybody can
vote.

As much as I'd like ban the lazy and stupid from voting, that would kind of
make me Hilter (did I just I Godwin myself?).

So the only real long term answer is education - tough, to the point,
encouraging critical thinking. Even then it could take a couple of
generations to see any improvement.

Mind you, one Hilter-y thing I might do is limit TV broadcasting severely -
and reduce the opportunities for people to vegetate.



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So the only real long term answer is education -

Would that be Tony BLiar's form or 'education, education, education'?


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On 05/05/2011 in message Tim Watts
wrote:

As much as I'd like ban the lazy and stupid from voting, that would kind of
make me Hilter (did I just I Godwin myself?).

Don't ban them, just give more votes to people who are better educated,
have got off their arses to get on in the world and have stayed out of
trouble.

Nevil Shute's "The Seventh Vote" provides a template.

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who don't.

On Thu, 05 May 2011 08:27:15 +0100, Tim Watts wrote:

jgharston wrote:


The problem with democracy is while anybody can vote, anybody can
vote.

As much as I'd like ban the lazy and stupid from voting, that would kind of
make me Hilter (did I just I Godwin myself?).

So the only real long term answer is education - tough, to the point,
encouraging critical thinking. Even then it could take a couple of
generations to see any improvement.

+1

The AV campaigns have really showed the poor state of education if you
look at all the rubbish that people still believe.

There was a letter, written by one of the local councillors here,
claiming that AV would result in several rounds of voting. It's
really concerning that a councillor would be this ignorant.
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