Hello panel,

I am at the point of 1st fix in a house renovation.

In the living room a LCD telly will be wall mounted roughly at breast height
in a certain position on a solid stone wall, which will be rendered and then
plastered. Below which will be the 'media table' housing DVD player and Sky
box.

In a nearby cupbaord will live a media pc and Sat/RFdistrubution gear. Dish
and aerial co-ax feeds will arrive here also

What cabling would the panel suggest be laid in betwixt the aforementioned
locations, and how best to trunk it in the wall hopefully allowing some
future proofing to occur? Perhaps some form of wide but flat conduit?

So far, a quick brain storm suggests:

4 CT100.
2 ethernet.
3 hdmi (1 long one from cupboard, 2 short ones to telly)
Mains, obviously.


Gracious thanks, Tim!

In message , Tim..
wrote

4 CT100.
2 ethernet.
3 hdmi (1 long one from cupboard, 2 short ones to telly)
Mains, obviously.

Optical (for audio into an AV amp for surround sound)

--
Alan
news2009 {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk

On 26/04/2011 21:54, Alan wrote:
In message , Tim..
wrote

4 CT100.
2 ethernet.
3 hdmi (1 long one from cupboard, 2 short ones to telly)
Mains, obviously.

Optical (for audio into an AV amp for surround sound)


Oh, how very last-decade.
OK up to DD / DTS 5.1

Doesn't have the bandwidth for modern HD audio.
That's all carried over HDMI these days...

--
Ron

"Ron Lowe" wrote in message
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On 26/04/2011 21:54, Alan wrote:
In message , Tim..
wrote

4 CT100.
2 ethernet.
3 hdmi (1 long one from cupboard, 2 short ones to telly)
Mains, obviously.

Optical (for audio into an AV amp for surround sound)


Oh, how very last-decade.
OK up to DD / DTS 5.1

Doesn't have the bandwidth for modern HD audio.
That's all carried over HDMI these days...


Could be wrong but the OP has Sky and I don't think the audio from that goes
through HDMI. It has to be via the optical!

In article , Tim..
scribeth thus
Hello panel,

I am at the point of 1st fix in a house renovation.

In the living room a LCD telly will be wall mounted roughly at breast height

Sure about that? I've been in some houses where they've done just that
and it lead's to a bit of a neck "crick" after somewhile viewing;!..

I remember some research years ago, might even have been dun by the BBC,
where they did this sort of thing and found the least fatiguing was the
centre of the screen just a few degrees below the viewers eyeline when
seated normally...

--
Tony Sayer

On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 09:48:37 +0100, tony sayer wrote:

In the living room a LCD telly will be wall mounted roughly at
breast
height

Sure about that?

Maybe his wife is a dwarf? B-)

I've been in some houses where they've done just that and it lead's to a
bit of a neck "crick" after somewhile viewing;!..

Agreed, when sat comfortably you don't want to have to hold your head
even a little bit upwards otherwise the neck muscles will complian.

--
Cheers
Dave.

On 27/04/2011 09:48, tony sayer wrote:
In , Tim..
scribeth thus
Hello panel,

I am at the point of 1st fix in a house renovation.

In the living room a LCD telly will be wall mounted roughly at breast height

Sure about that? I've been in some houses where they've done just that
and it lead's to a bit of a neck "crick" after somewhile viewing;!..

I remember some research years ago, might even have been dun by the BBC,
where they did this sort of thing and found the least fatiguing was the
centre of the screen just a few degrees below the viewers eyeline when
seated normally...

If anyone uses multifocals to view TV don't put it too low or they will
have to tilt their head forward all the time.

I sometimes use multifocals and sometimes contact lenses set for
distance vision. With HD we sit reasonably close to our 52 inch TV and
it is far easier to see the whole screen clearly with contacts.

On Apr 26, 9:27*pm, "Tim.." wrote:
Hello panel,

I am at the point of 1st fix in a house renovation.

In the living room a LCD telly will be wall mounted roughly at breast height
in a certain position on a solid stone wall, which will be rendered and then
plastered. Below which will be the 'media table' *housing DVD player and Sky
box.

In a nearby cupbaord will live a media pc and Sat/RFdistrubution gear. Dish
and aerial co-ax feeds will arrive here also

What cabling would the panel suggest be laid in betwixt the aforementioned
locations, and how best to trunk it in the wall hopefully allowing some
future proofing to occur? Perhaps some form of wide but flat conduit?

So far, a quick brain storm *suggests:

4 CT100.
2 ethernet.
3 hdmi (1 long one from cupboard, 2 short ones to telly)
Mains, obviously.

Gracious thanks, Tim!

might be useful:
http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...Voltage_Wiring

I'd add baseband audio feeds too, and put it all outside the conduit
so that even more cables can be packed in later.


NT

On 26/04/2011 21:27, Tim.. wrote:
Hello panel,

I am at the point of 1st fix in a house renovation.

In the living room a LCD telly will be wall mounted roughly at breast
height in a certain position on a solid stone wall, which will be
rendered and then plastered. Below which will be the 'media table'
housing DVD player and Sky box.

In a nearby cupbaord will live a media pc and Sat/RFdistrubution gear.
Dish and aerial co-ax feeds will arrive here also

What cabling would the panel suggest be laid in betwixt the
aforementioned locations, and how best to trunk it in the wall hopefully
allowing some future proofing to occur? Perhaps some form of wide but
flat conduit?

So far, a quick brain storm suggests:

4 CT100.
2 ethernet.
3 hdmi (1 long one from cupboard, 2 short ones to telly)
Mains, obviously.


Gracious thanks, Tim!


If the dish and co-ax feeds arrive in the cupboard, and there is a media
pc in there too, why have a separate DVD and Sky box?

i.e. you could put them all into the media pc.

Then all you'd need is an HDMI cable.

"Devany" wrote in message
...
On 26/04/2011 21:27, Tim.. wrote:
Hello panel,

I am at the point of 1st fix in a house renovation.

In the living room a LCD telly will be wall mounted roughly at breast
height in a certain position on a solid stone wall, which will be
rendered and then plastered. Below which will be the 'media table'
housing DVD player and Sky box.

In a nearby cupbaord will live a media pc and Sat/RFdistrubution gear.
Dish and aerial co-ax feeds will arrive here also

What cabling would the panel suggest be laid in betwixt the
aforementioned locations, and how best to trunk it in the wall hopefully
allowing some future proofing to occur? Perhaps some form of wide but
flat conduit?

So far, a quick brain storm suggests:

4 CT100.
2 ethernet.
3 hdmi (1 long one from cupboard, 2 short ones to telly)
Mains, obviously.


Gracious thanks, Tim!


If the dish and co-ax feeds arrive in the cupboard, and there is a media
pc in there too, why have a separate DVD and Sky box?

i.e. you could put them all into the media pc.

Then all you'd need is an HDMI cable.


That would be correct, however it is a rental property, and some tenants are
not nearly as technically savvy as others.

Tim.

On 26/04/2011 23:35, Steven Campbell wrote:
"Ron wrote in message
...
On 26/04/2011 21:54, Alan wrote:
In , Tim..
wrote

4 CT100.
2 ethernet.
3 hdmi (1 long one from cupboard, 2 short ones to telly)
Mains, obviously.

Optical (for audio into an AV amp for surround sound)


Oh, how very last-decade.
OK up to DD / DTS 5.1

Doesn't have the bandwidth for modern HD audio.
That's all carried over HDMI these days...


Could be wrong but the OP has Sky and I don't think the audio from that goes
through HDMI. It has to be via the optical!



Does on mine. ( sky HD box - HDMI - Panasonic TV ).

--
R

"Ron Lowe" wrote in message
...
On 26/04/2011 23:35, Steven Campbell wrote:
"Ron wrote in message
...
On 26/04/2011 21:54, Alan wrote:
In , Tim..
wrote

4 CT100.
2 ethernet.
3 hdmi (1 long one from cupboard, 2 short ones to telly)
Mains, obviously.

Optical (for audio into an AV amp for surround sound)


Oh, how very last-decade.
OK up to DD / DTS 5.1

Doesn't have the bandwidth for modern HD audio.
That's all carried over HDMI these days...


Could be wrong but the OP has Sky and I don't think the audio from that
goes
through HDMI. It has to be via the optical!



Does on mine. ( sky HD box - HDMI - Panasonic TV ).

I don't think sky output anything other than stereo sound over hdmi.
You get dd over the digital audio.

On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 15:37:45 +0100, Invisible Man wrote:

If anyone uses multifocals to view TV don't put it too low or they will
have to tilt their head forward all the time.

It would have to be very low, like on the floor low for that to be a
problem. At least with the varifocals I wear. And tilting ones head
down is less strain on the muscles than lifting it up.

--
Cheers
Dave.

On 27/04/2011 20:15, dennis@home wrote:


"Ron Lowe" wrote in message
...
On 26/04/2011 23:35, Steven Campbell wrote:
"Ron wrote in message
...
On 26/04/2011 21:54, Alan wrote:
In , Tim..
wrote

4 CT100.
2 ethernet.
3 hdmi (1 long one from cupboard, 2 short ones to telly)
Mains, obviously.

Optical (for audio into an AV amp for surround sound)


Oh, how very last-decade.
OK up to DD / DTS 5.1

Doesn't have the bandwidth for modern HD audio.
That's all carried over HDMI these days...


Could be wrong but the OP has Sky and I don't think the audio from
that goes
through HDMI. It has to be via the optical!



Does on mine. ( sky HD box - HDMI - Panasonic TV ).

I don't think sky output anything other than stereo sound over hdmi.
You get dd over the digital audio.

OK, that may be poss, since the room with the sky-box is hdmi direct to
a 2-ch TV only, no multi-ch decoder.

The multi-ch setup is in another room.

Why would they do that?
( Output output multi-ch on ye olde sp-dif but not HDMI ? )

--
R

"tony sayer" wrote in message ...
In article , Tim..
scribeth thus
Hello panel,

I am at the point of 1st fix in a house renovation.

In the living room a LCD telly will be wall mounted roughly at breast height

Sure about that? I've been in some houses where they've done just that
and it lead's to a bit of a neck "crick" after somewhile viewing;!..

I remember some research years ago, might even have been dun by the BBC,
where they did this sort of thing and found the least fatiguing was the
centre of the screen just a few degrees below the viewers eyeline when
seated normally...

--
Tony Sayer

So, dick height then ;-)

--
Graham.

%Profound_observation%

In article , Graham.
scribeth thus

"tony sayer" wrote in message
o.uk...
In article , Tim..
scribeth thus
Hello panel,

I am at the point of 1st fix in a house renovation.

In the living room a LCD telly will be wall mounted roughly at breast height

Sure about that? I've been in some houses where they've done just that
and it lead's to a bit of a neck "crick" after somewhile viewing;!..

I remember some research years ago, might even have been dun by the BBC,
where they did this sort of thing and found the least fatiguing was the
centre of the screen just a few degrees below the viewers eyeline when
seated normally...

--
Tony Sayer

So, dick height then ;-)

When yer siting down .. how yer gonads do that then;?..
--
Tony Sayer

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember tony sayer
saying something like:

In the living room a LCD telly will be wall mounted roughly at breast height

Sure about that? I've been in some houses where they've done just that
and it lead's to a bit of a neck "crick" after somewhile viewing;!..

Yep, it's a pretty dumb place to put it.

I remember some research years ago, might even have been dun by the BBC,
where they did this sort of thing and found the least fatiguing was the
centre of the screen just a few degrees below the viewers eyeline when
seated normally...

For TV viewing, yes. Home cinema is different due to the size of the
screen, but I prefer it almost starting from floor level. Unfortunately,
walls often don't lend themselves to that, with floor clutter.

In article , Tim..
writes

"Devany" wrote in message
...

Then all you'd need is an HDMI cable.


That would be correct, however it is a rental property, and some tenants are
not nearly as technically savvy as others.

In that case make the stuff up to the telly point 2x50mm sq ducts[1]
side by side to permit passing of all sorts of junk with connectors
still fitted.

[1] Chasing a channel in the stonework as reqd and patching with
expanded metal lath before replastering to avoid cracks later. Make sure
it's well (deeply) covered.
--
fred
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