call me picky but my double-glazing contractors should:0

firstly, make a rough-ish measurement of window sizes in order to prepare a
quote

secondly, if accepted, make a second true measurement, which, in my book,
means hacking
through plaster to get down to brickwork in order to make true measurements

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Gill Smith wrote:

call me picky but my double-glazing contractors should:0

firstly, make a rough-ish measurement of window sizes in order to prepare
a quote

secondly, if accepted, make a second true measurement, which, in my book,
means hacking
through plaster to get down to brickwork in order to make true
measurements

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Well, having fitted 3 windows...

If you need the windows a close fit to unrendered external brick, as I did,
you measure, measure and measure - at different heights and at various
points across (brickwork is seldom parallel, vertical or horizontal!).

With care you can get a 5mm +/- gap all round which seals nicely with foam
and sealant.

However, if the finish is rendered outside and plastered inside, it is less
important.

Once the frames have a few fixings and are foamed in (they will do that) you
could have an inch gap and be pretty solid.

As long as the frames are a bit bigger so they will recess into the plaster
and render, you won't tell once it is made good.

One question I would put to them though:

Will they make good the plaster/render or just slap trim all round. The
latter is the default usually unless you specify (and pay for) the extra
work to do the former.

Cheers

Tim

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On Apr 14, 7:42 pm, "Gill Smith"
wrote:
call me picky but my double-glazing contractors should:0

firstly, make a rough-ish measurement of window sizes in order to prepare a
quote

secondly, if accepted, make a second true measurement, which, in my book,
means hacking
through plaster to get down to brickwork in order to make true measurements

--
http://www.gillsmith999.plus.com

nah squirty foam and plenty of cheapo sealant for the outside and nice
liitle "trim strips" of yet more pvc to "cover up" the bodge on the
inside - tape measures? who needs em? ;)

Jim K

On Apr 14, 7:42*pm, "Gill Smith"
wrote:
call me picky but my double-glazing contractors should:0

firstly, make a rough-ish measurement of window sizes in order to prepare a
quote

secondly, if accepted, make a second true measurement, which, in my book,
means hacking
through plaster to get down to brickwork in order to make true measurements

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I think you may be in for a rude awakening :-)

On 14/04/2011 19:42, Gill Smith wrote:
call me picky but my double-glazing contractors should:0

firstly, make a rough-ish measurement of window sizes in order to prepare a
quote

secondly, if accepted, make a second true measurement, which, in my book,
means hacking
through plaster to get down to brickwork in order to make true measurements



Can't you see the brickwork on the outside without needing to hack any
plaster off?
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On 14/04/2011 19:42, Gill Smith wrote:
call me picky but my double-glazing contractors should:0

firstly, make a rough-ish measurement of window sizes in order to prepare
a
quote

secondly, if accepted, make a second true measurement, which, in my book,
means hacking
through plaster to get down to brickwork in order to make true
measurements



Can't you see the brickwork on the outside without needing to hack any
plaster off?

unfortunately the exterior is rendered

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On Thu, 14 Apr 2011 11:57:20 -0700 (PDT), Jim K
wrote:

nah squirty foam and plenty of cheapo sealant for the outside and nice
liitle "trim strips" of yet more pvc to "cover up" the bodge on the
inside - tape measures? who needs em? ;)

Tape measures - who can even find 'em? :-)

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On Thu, 14 Apr 2011 11:57:20 -0700 (PDT), Jim K
wrote:

nah squirty foam and plenty of cheapo sealant for the outside and nice
liitle "trim strips" of yet more pvc to "cover up" the bodge on the
inside - tape measures? who needs em? ;)

Tape measures - who can even find 'em? :-)

I finally found out what ears are for: pencils

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On Thu, 14 Apr 2011 20:31:09 +0100, Gill Smith wrote:

secondly, if accepted, make a second true measurement, which, in
my
book, means hacking through plaster to get down to brickwork in
order
to make true measurements

Can't you see the brickwork on the outside without needing to hack
any
plaster off?

unfortunately the exterior is rendered

They will measure to the size of the opening in the render. It opens
up a whole tin of worms if they start messing about with the
rendering or cement fillet over the brickwork of the exterior
opening. What if it all falls off when they 'it wi' 'ammer? Would you
be happy to pay for having the house re-rendered? They certainly
won't want to pay.

Remember to specify that plaster work/render is to be made good with
plaster/render not plastric trim bits stuck on over the gaps. They
may or may not foam the windows in. They may or may not seal them
properly, under cills seems to always get forgotten. They may or may
not seal the window onto a cill properly such that driven rain can
get into the wall behind the outer frame sealing.

DG fitters don't you just luv'em.

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Dave.

"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message
ll.co.uk...
On Thu, 14 Apr 2011 20:31:09 +0100, Gill Smith wrote:

secondly, if accepted, make a second true measurement, which, in
my
book, means hacking through plaster to get down to brickwork in
order
to make true measurements

Can't you see the brickwork on the outside without needing to hack
any
plaster off?

unfortunately the exterior is rendered

They will measure to the size of the opening in the render. It opens
up a whole tin of worms if they start messing about with the
rendering or cement fillet over the brickwork of the exterior
opening. What if it all falls off when they 'it wi' 'ammer? Would you
be happy to pay for having the house re-rendered? They certainly
won't want to pay.

Remember to specify that plaster work/render is to be made good with
plaster/render not plastric trim bits stuck on over the gaps. They
may or may not foam the windows in. They may or may not seal them
properly, under cills seems to always get forgotten. They may or may
not seal the window onto a cill properly such that driven rain can
get into the wall behind the outer frame sealing.

DG fitters don't you just luv'em.

actally, exterior re-rendering and interior re-plastering is on the agenda

so maybe I should spell this out

but I am miffed about the guy, *unprompted*, saying thata surveyor would be
along to get a true measure

when a phone call this afternoon says they have the true measure

this smells of sharp practise

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http://www.gillsmith999.plus.com

On 14/04/2011 22:30, Gill Smith wrote:

but I am miffed about the guy, *unprompted*, saying thata surveyor would be
along to get a true measure

Do you know what profile the frame is made of. I know what mine is and
how to measure it without getting through to the brick work.

when a phone call this afternoon says they have the true measure

this smells of sharp practise

That, to me, tells me the surveyor has recognised the window frame
profile and knows the size of the frame. It is easy to calculate from
the beading.

Dave

Frank Erskine wrote:

Tape measures - who can even find 'em? :-)

I used the "traditional" method of finding an old one this week ...
buying a new one, therefore ensuring one of the old ones turned up
within the hour, thankfully I'd only spent 98p on the new one ...

On Thu, 14 Apr 2011 11:57:20 -0700 (PDT), Jim K wrote:
On Apr 14, 7:42 pm, "Gill Smith"
wrote:
call me picky but my double-glazing contractors should:0

firstly, make a rough-ish measurement of window sizes in order to prepare a
quote

secondly, if accepted, make a second true measurement, which, in my book,
means hacking
through plaster to get down to brickwork in order to make true measurements

--
http://www.gillsmith999.plus.com

nah squirty foam and plenty of cheapo sealant for the outside and nice
liitle "trim strips" of yet more pvc to "cover up" the bodge on the
inside - tape measures? who needs em? ;)

Tape measure - doubt it? Next you'll ask us to beleive that they'll
install the windows level

On 14/04/2011 22:30, Gill Smith wrote:
"Dave wrote in message
ll.co.uk...
On Thu, 14 Apr 2011 20:31:09 +0100, Gill Smith wrote:

secondly, if accepted, make a second true measurement, which, in
my
book, means hacking through plaster to get down to brickwork in
order
to make true measurements

Can't you see the brickwork on the outside without needing to hack
any
plaster off?

unfortunately the exterior is rendered

They will measure to the size of the opening in the render. It opens
up a whole tin of worms if they start messing about with the
rendering or cement fillet over the brickwork of the exterior
opening. What if it all falls off when they 'it wi' 'ammer? Would you
be happy to pay for having the house re-rendered? They certainly
won't want to pay.

Remember to specify that plaster work/render is to be made good with
plaster/render not plastric trim bits stuck on over the gaps. They
may or may not foam the windows in. They may or may not seal them
properly, under cills seems to always get forgotten. They may or may
not seal the window onto a cill properly such that driven rain can
get into the wall behind the outer frame sealing.

DG fitters don't you just luv'em.

actally, exterior re-rendering and interior re-plastering is on the agenda

so maybe I should spell this out

but I am miffed about the guy, *unprompted*, saying thata surveyor would be
along to get a true measure

when a phone call this afternoon says they have the true measure

this smells of sharp practise

--
http://www.gillsmith999.plus.com


I don't know what you're getting worked up about. A rough measure is
good enough for a quote since the manufacturing costs are calculated to
the nearest 100 mm or whatever. Once you've accepted the quote, the
"surveyor" tales a closer look, assesses the render/plaster, and
generally discusses any potential problems. They usually know from
experience where the edge of a window frame is, even if it's partly
overlapped with render. FWIW I've never had reason to criticise DG fitters.

On Apr 15, 9:34*am, stuart noble wrote:
On 14/04/2011 22:30, Gill Smith wrote:

"Dave *wrote in message
ill.co.uk...
On Thu, 14 Apr 2011 20:31:09 +0100, Gill Smith wrote:

secondly, if accepted, make a second true measurement, which, in
my
book, means hacking through plaster to get down to brickwork in
order
to make true *measurements

Can't you see the brickwork on the outside without needing to hack
any
plaster off?

unfortunately the exterior is rendered

They will measure to the size of the opening in the render. It opens
up a whole tin of worms if they start messing about with the
rendering or cement fillet over the brickwork of the exterior
opening. What if it all falls off when they 'it wi' 'ammer? Would you
be happy to pay for having the house re-rendered? They certainly
won't want to pay.

Remember to specify that plaster work/render is to be made good with
plaster/render not plastric trim bits stuck on over the gaps. They
may or may not foam the windows in. They may or may not seal them
properly, under cills seems to always get forgotten. They may or may
not seal the window onto a cill properly such that driven rain can
get into the wall behind the outer frame sealing.

DG fitters don't you just luv'em.

actally, exterior re-rendering and interior re-plastering is on the agenda

so maybe I should spell this out

but I am miffed about the guy, *unprompted*, saying thata surveyor would be
along to get a true measure

when a phone call this afternoon says they have the true measure

this smells of sharp practise

--
*http://www.gillsmith999.plus.com

I don't know what you're getting worked up about. A rough measure is
good enough for a quote since the manufacturing costs are calculated to
the nearest 100 mm or whatever. Once you've accepted the quote, the
"surveyor" tales a closer look, assesses the render/plaster, and
generally discusses any potential problems.

The problem seems to be that the surveyor is *not* taking a closer
look.

MBQ

On 15/04/2011 10:15, Man at B&Q wrote:
On Apr 15, 9:34 am, stuart wrote:
On 14/04/2011 22:30, Gill Smith wrote:

"Dave wrote in message
ll.co.uk...
On Thu, 14 Apr 2011 20:31:09 +0100, Gill Smith wrote:

secondly, if accepted, make a second true measurement, which, in
my
book, means hacking through plaster to get down to brickwork in
order
to make true measurements

Can't you see the brickwork on the outside without needing to hack
any
plaster off?

unfortunately the exterior is rendered

They will measure to the size of the opening in the render. It opens
up a whole tin of worms if they start messing about with the
rendering or cement fillet over the brickwork of the exterior
opening. What if it all falls off when they 'it wi' 'ammer? Would you
be happy to pay for having the house re-rendered? They certainly
won't want to pay.

Remember to specify that plaster work/render is to be made good with
plaster/render not plastric trim bits stuck on over the gaps. They
may or may not foam the windows in. They may or may not seal them
properly, under cills seems to always get forgotten. They may or may
not seal the window onto a cill properly such that driven rain can
get into the wall behind the outer frame sealing.

DG fitters don't you just luv'em.

actally, exterior re-rendering and interior re-plastering is on the agenda

so maybe I should spell this out

but I am miffed about the guy, *unprompted*, saying thata surveyor would be
along to get a true measure

when a phone call this afternoon says they have the true measure

this smells of sharp practise

--
http://www.gillsmith999.plus.com

I don't know what you're getting worked up about. A rough measure is
good enough for a quote since the manufacturing costs are calculated to
the nearest 100 mm or whatever. Once you've accepted the quote, the
"surveyor" tales a closer look, assesses the render/plaster, and
generally discusses any potential problems.

The problem seems to be that the surveyor is *not* taking a closer
look.

MBQ

Then presumably he doesn't need to. It'll be their problem if they hit snags

On Fri, 15 Apr 2011 09:34:34 +0100, stuart noble
wrote:


I don't know what you're getting worked up about. A rough measure is
good enough for a quote since the manufacturing costs are calculated to
the nearest 100 mm or whatever. Once you've accepted the quote, the
"surveyor" tales a closer look, assesses the render/plaster, and
generally discusses any potential problems. They usually know from
experience where the edge of a window frame is, even if it's partly
overlapped with render. FWIW I've never had reason to criticise DG fitters.

The surveyor who came to me in January said that usually once he'd
measured one window he knew what the rest would be - didn't stop him
checking though.

On 15 Apr,
Peter Johnson wrote:

The surveyor who came to me in January said that usually once he'd
measured one window he knew what the rest would be - didn't stop him
checking though.

I tried that once, on an estate house by a large building co (with a
helicopter in the advert) All the windows were the same width, 6 feet
(imperial) The one I didn't measure (poor access) was metric width. The
replacement (timber) needed some work with a plane to make it fit. I no
longer assume anything.

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