Hi all

Yet another seemingly numpty question on kitchen wiring....

Is it necessary/advantageous/required by the regs to fit a cable outlet for
an integrated oven?
Would it not be preferable to have a continuous cable from the isolator to
the device and eliminate this extra joint?

Thanks

Phil

On 30/03/2011 11:56, TheScullster wrote:
Hi all

Yet another seemingly numpty question on kitchen wiring....

Is it necessary/advantageous/required by the regs to fit a cable outlet for
an integrated oven?
Would it not be preferable to have a continuous cable from the isolator to
the device and eliminate this extra joint?

Thanks

Phil


Our integrated oven is quite a way from the isolating switch and the
cable is run buried in the wall. I would imagine there is a cable
outlet. Different cable might be required when the oven is replaced.

TheScullster wrote:
Hi all

Yet another seemingly numpty question on kitchen wiring....

Is it necessary/advantageous/required by the regs to fit a cable
outlet for an integrated oven?
Would it not be preferable to have a continuous cable from the
isolator to the device and eliminate this extra joint?

Thanks

Pending the arrival of an authoritative response from Adam, John etc it
may just possibly help if I say (i) the On-site Guide says that means of
isolation must be provided for every item of equipment, pointing to
regulation 537.2.1.2 (Suitable means shall be provided to prevent any
equipment from being inadvertently or unintentionally energized.) and
(ii) I think the thinking is that, if smoke starts to pour from the back
of the stove, or the person you love most is still getting ~230V from
the stove, a cooker control unit within a couple of meters is preferable
to a dash to the consumer unit. Similarly of course if you want to work
on the cooker it is desirable to be able to isolate it locally rather
than rely on an MCB/RCBO which could be re-energised by someone else.
--
Robin
PM may be sent to rbw0{at}hotmail{dot}com

In article , lid
says...
Our integrated oven is quite a way from the isolating switch and the
cable is run buried in the wall.


Not more than 2m, I would hope!

--
Skipweasel - never knowingly understood.

Is it necessary/advantageous/required by the regs to fit a cable
outlet for an integrated oven?

I always prefer to fit a cable outlet, as when the cooker
is replaced you're not having to chisel the cable running
to the CCU, you're just replacing the drop cable from the
cable outlet.

may just possibly help if I say (i) the On-site Guide says that means of
isolation must be provided for every item of equipment, pointing to

Means of isolation is the Cooker Control Unit. The Scullster is asking
about a Cooker Connection Box/Cable Outlet Box/Cooker Terminal Box.

the stove, a cooker control unit within a couple of meters is preferable
to a dash to the consumer unit.

I had one customer who insisted the CCU should be hidden inside a
floor cupboard. She wouldn't take "that's not allowed" as an answer,
so I patiently took her through the steps of what would happen if
she got a shock and couldn't reach the consumer unit under the stairs
while stood in front of the cooker in the kitchen.

JGH

jgharston wrote:

I had one customer who insisted the CCU should be hidden inside a
floor cupboard.

Umm, I've just seen one inside the wall cbd next to the cooker. Not okay?

TheScullster wrote:
Hi all

Yet another seemingly numpty question on kitchen wiring....

Is it necessary/advantageous/required by the regs to fit a cable
outlet for an integrated oven?
Would it not be preferable to have a continuous cable from the
isolator to the device and eliminate this extra joint?

It would depend upon the type of cable needed for the final connection to
the oven. Usually you would need some sort of heat resistant flex and that
is best acheived by using 6mm T&E to an outlet plate and heat resistant flex
from the plate to the oven.

--
Adam

On 30/03/2011 14:15, Skipweasel wrote:
In , lid
says...
Our integrated oven is quite a way from the isolating switch and the
cable is run buried in the wall.


Not more than 2m, I would hope!

Not far off. The oven is in the middle of a large range of built in bits
and the only available open wall is some way away.

Means of isolation is the Cooker Control Unit. The Scullster is asking
about a Cooker Connection Box/Cable Outlet Box/Cooker Terminal Box.


Sorry. I'll take the pointy hat to the corner (again).

--
Robin
PM may be sent to rbw0{at}hotmail{dot}com

On 30/03/2011 14:33, GB wrote:
jgharston wrote:

I had one customer who insisted the CCU should be hidden inside a
floor cupboard.

Umm, I've just seen one inside the wall cbd next to the cooker. Not okay?



Ours used to be until the kitchen was refitted.
Would be better in clear view.

"ARWadsworth" wrote

Hi all

Yet another seemingly numpty question on kitchen wiring....

Is it necessary/advantageous/required by the regs to fit a cable
outlet for an integrated oven?
Would it not be preferable to have a continuous cable from the
isolator to the device and eliminate this extra joint?

It would depend upon the type of cable needed for the final connection to
the oven. Usually you would need some sort of heat resistant flex and that
is best acheived by using 6mm T&E to an outlet plate and heat resistant
flex from the plate to the oven.

--
Adam
Thanks Adam

All this has to do with the BCO and remote isolation.
So I have a scheme which will allow a cooker switch 2m from the integrated
oven.
The thing is that any cable outlet fitted would be behind (ie accessed
through) one of the full height cabinets.
I could imagine it being quite a game trying to replace the link cable/HR
flex terminated in that sort of position.
If I fit a "standard" 6mm cable outlet suitable for 6mm T & E out, will
these be appropriate for HR flex also?
Or are you talking about a lower powered oven?
In this case I suppose I should terminate the 6mm cable in a fused spur
outlet and cable the oven to that.

Thanks

Phil

TheScullster wrote:
"ARWadsworth" wrote

Hi all

Yet another seemingly numpty question on kitchen wiring....

Is it necessary/advantageous/required by the regs to fit a cable
outlet for an integrated oven?
Would it not be preferable to have a continuous cable from the
isolator to the device and eliminate this extra joint?

It would depend upon the type of cable needed for the final
connection to the oven. Usually you would need some sort of heat
resistant flex and that is best acheived by using 6mm T&E to an
outlet plate and heat resistant flex from the plate to the oven.

--
Adam
Thanks Adam

All this has to do with the BCO and remote isolation.
So I have a scheme which will allow a cooker switch 2m from the
integrated oven.
The thing is that any cable outlet fitted would be behind (ie accessed
through) one of the full height cabinets.

These unit are often not "fully backed" and so an outlet plate in the
correct place on thge wall is no problem to wire up.

I could imagine it being quite a game trying to replace the link
cable/HR flex terminated in that sort of position.

You sort of get used to it after a while.

If I fit a "standard" 6mm cable outlet suitable for 6mm T & E out,
will these be appropriate for HR flex also?

Yes.

Or are you talking about a lower powered oven?

No

In this case I suppose I should terminate the 6mm cable in a fused
spur outlet and cable the oven to that.

Thanks

Phil

--
Adam

Invisible Man wrote:

Would be better in clear view.

This is coming from invisible man? ^.^



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it turns out that it would have been better if it had gone wrong.