The house where my daughter lives has a ( redundant ) outside loo.
It IS used very occasionally though just for convenience but it's not
essential.

There was a burst in there the other day due to freezing but luckily it has
a stop tap where the supply rises from the floor and the supply was turned
off.

The same supply supplies a garden tap for watering plants.

I placed a paraffin storm lamp near where the supply enters the loo and
below the level of the stop tap to help prevent freezing in future.
If there was a burst there below the stop tap that would be very difficult.

I went down there today and the paraffin had run out in the storm lamp after
2 days.

Now I've tried to impress on her how important it is not to have a burst
below the stop tap but she is young and, probably, negligent in this
respect.

Paraffin is not easy to find these days either, and if it was, would she top
the storm lamp up when required.

I've thought that I should just remove the supply from the outside loo but
it does have its uses for watering the garden in the summer months.

Any suggestions.

BTW we do own the house.

..

--
Graham.

%Profound_observation%
"Booty" wrote in message ...
The house where my daughter lives has a ( redundant ) outside loo.
It IS used very occasionally though just for convenience but it's not essential.

There was a burst in there the other day due to freezing but luckily it has a stop tap where the supply rises from the floor and
the supply was turned off.

The same supply supplies a garden tap for watering plants.

I placed a paraffin storm lamp near where the supply enters the loo and below the level of the stop tap to help prevent freezing
in future.
If there was a burst there below the stop tap that would be very difficult.

I went down there today and the paraffin had run out in the storm lamp after 2 days.

Now I've tried to impress on her how important it is not to have a burst below the stop tap but she is young and, probably,
negligent in this respect.

Paraffin is not easy to find these days either, and if it was, would she top the storm lamp up when required.

I've thought that I should just remove the supply from the outside loo but it does have its uses for watering the garden in the
summer months.

Any suggestions.

BTW we do own the house.


Is there electric out there?
http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Main_Ind...ape/index.html

On Dec 15, 12:04*am, "Booty" wrote:
The house where my daughter lives has a ( redundant ) outside loo.
It IS used very occasionally though just for convenience but it's not
essential.

There was a burst in there the other day due to freezing but luckily it has
a stop tap where the supply rises from the floor and the supply was turned
off.

The same supply supplies a garden tap for watering plants.

I placed a paraffin storm lamp near where the supply enters the loo and
below the level of the stop tap to help prevent freezing in future.
If there was a burst there below the stop tap that would be very difficult.

On Dec 15, 7:45*am, harry wrote:
On Dec 15, 12:04*am, "Booty" wrote:









The house where my daughter lives has a ( redundant ) outside loo.
It IS used very occasionally though just for convenience but it's not
essential.

There was a burst in there the other day due to freezing but luckily it has
a stop tap where the supply rises from the floor and the supply was turned
off.

The same supply supplies a garden tap for watering plants.

I placed a paraffin storm lamp near where the supply enters the loo and
below the level of the stop tap to help prevent freezing in future.
If there was a burst there below the stop tap that would be very difficult.

I went down there today and the paraffin had run out in the storm lamp after
2 days.

Now I've tried to impress on her how important it is not to have a burst
below the stop tap but she is young and, probably, negligent in this
respect.

Paraffin is not easy to find these days either, and if it was, would she top
the storm lamp up when required.

I've thought that I should just remove the supply from the outside loo but
it does have its uses for watering the garden in the summer months.

Any suggestions.

BTW we do own the house.

.

Insulate the pipe.

Use CH oil for the lamp - it's just not quite so pure paraffin. In
fact smell it then go to the local airport and take a sniff off a jet
- it's the same thing.
Rob

In message , Booty
writes
The house where my daughter lives has a ( redundant ) outside loo.
It IS used very occasionally though just for convenience but it's not
essential.

There was a burst in there the other day due to freezing but luckily it has
a stop tap where the supply rises from the floor and the supply was turned
off.

The same supply supplies a garden tap for watering plants.

I placed a paraffin storm lamp near where the supply enters the loo and
below the level of the stop tap to help prevent freezing in future.
If there was a burst there below the stop tap that would be very difficult.

I went down there today and the paraffin had run out in the storm lamp after
2 days.

Now I've tried to impress on her how important it is not to have a burst
below the stop tap but she is young and, probably, negligent in this
respect.

Paraffin is not easy to find these days either, and if it was, would she top
the storm lamp up when required.

I've thought that I should just remove the supply from the outside loo but
it does have its uses for watering the garden in the summer months.



Heat tape if you can get access to an electricity supply.
eg

http://www.qvsdirect.com/Trace-J-Sel...Cable-pr-16688.
html

This has the advantage of needing no action like turning of valves etc.

Or fit an stop cock inside and turn off the supply for the winter.
Miight need to fit some arrangement for draining down the pipe work
--
Chris French

"harry" wrote in message
...

Insulate the pipe.

Waste of time, it will still freeze.
The best insulating a pipe will do is delay freezing.
If the average temp around the pipe stays below freezing the pipe will still
freeze even with a foot of insulation unless you input some heat from
somewhere.

My parents used a paraffin lamp for years but as they got older it became a
chore and they did get pipes freezing in the outside loo because the oil ran
out.
In the end I persuaded them to fit a B&Q electric heater with frost stat
£10. Only 300W and only on when its cold so it cost less than the paraffin.

On 15/12/10 00:04, Booty wrote:
The house where my daughter lives has a ( redundant ) outside loo.
It IS used very occasionally though just for convenience but it's not
essential.

There was a burst in there the other day due to freezing but luckily it has
a stop tap where the supply rises from the floor and the supply was turned
off.

The same supply supplies a garden tap for watering plants.

I placed a paraffin storm lamp near where the supply enters the loo and
below the level of the stop tap to help prevent freezing in future.
If there was a burst there below the stop tap that would be very difficult.

I went down there today and the paraffin had run out in the storm lamp after
2 days.

Now I've tried to impress on her how important it is not to have a burst
below the stop tap but she is young and, probably, negligent in this
respect.

Paraffin is not easy to find these days either, and if it was, would she top
the storm lamp up when required.

I've thought that I should just remove the supply from the outside loo but
it does have its uses for watering the garden in the summer months.

Any suggestions.

BTW we do own the house.

.


I'd put in another stopcock somewhere warmer
and then drain the pipes for the winter-
you dont need to water the garden in the winter
and occasional loo use can be sorted with a bucket of water.

[g]

I'd put in another stopcock somewhere warmer
and then drain the pipes for the winter-
you dont need to water the garden in the winter
and occasional loo use can be sorted with a bucket of water.

[g]


Yes, and maybe run the new feed in plastic which is much more tolerant
(IME), then you could leave the stop tap on.

"harry" wrote in message ...
On Dec 15, 12:04 am, "Booty" wrote:
The house where my daughter lives has a ( redundant ) outside loo.
It IS used very occasionally though just for convenience but it's not
essential.

There was a burst in there the other day due to freezing but luckily it has
a stop tap where the supply rises from the floor and the supply was turned
off.

The same supply supplies a garden tap for watering plants.

I placed a paraffin storm lamp near where the supply enters the loo and
below the level of the stop tap to help prevent freezing in future.
If there was a burst there below the stop tap that would be very difficult.

I went down there today and the paraffin had run out in the storm lamp after
2 days.

Now I've tried to impress on her how important it is not to have a burst
below the stop tap but she is young and, probably, negligent in this
respect.

Paraffin is not easy to find these days either, and if it was, would she top
the storm lamp up when required.

I've thought that I should just remove the supply from the outside loo but
it does have its uses for watering the garden in the summer months.

Any suggestions.

BTW we do own the house.

.

Insulate the pipe.

That's like putting a fur coat on a corpse.

--
Graham.

%Profound_observation%

In message , newshound
writes


I'd put in another stopcock somewhere warmer
and then drain the pipes for the winter-
you dont need to water the garden in the winter
and occasional loo use can be sorted with a bucket of water.

[g]


Yes, and maybe run the new feed in plastic which is much more tolerant
(IME), then you could leave the stop tap on.

It is, and you are more likley to get away with a bit of freezing. But
still advisable to turn of the stop tap.

But what can happen instead is that a joint gets forced apart, esp if it
a compression joint (say to a tap) - BTDTGTTS in the greenhouse one year
whilst we were away.
--
Chris French

But what can happen instead is that a joint gets forced apart, esp if it
a compression joint (say to a tap) - BTDTGTTS in the greenhouse one year
whilst we were away.
--
Chris French

Good point. I've had an outside tap with no problems for over 20 years (but
it is plumbed in Acorn, and the grip springs are quite robust). It's gone a
bit pale in the UV (it was only ever meant to be a short term fix)

Thanks for the suggestions everyone.

There is a stop tap out there and it is now turned off but the stop tap is
about 12 inches above floor level so the pipe below it is vulnerable - and
it's lead.
It is impractical to run in plastic as the toilet is at the bottom of the
garden away from the house and the pipe emerges from concrete in the toilet
and there are flags laid on the route from the house.

All the pipes are insulated and were last winter but no burst then and it
was colder for longer.

There is no electricity out there at present but I do like the idea of a
frost stat ( have a redundant one somewhere ) and a low power electric
heater.
I think that is the way forward for me.

Thanks again.

On Wed, 15 Dec 2010 22:50:05 -0000, "Booty" wrote:

Thanks for the suggestions everyone.

There is a stop tap out there and it is now turned off but the stop tap is
about 12 inches above floor level so the pipe below it is vulnerable - and
it's lead.
It is impractical to run in plastic as the toilet is at the bottom of the
garden away from the house and the pipe emerges from concrete in the toilet
and there are flags laid on the route from the house.

DOES the pipe come from the house, or is the supply from the outside
stop tap split underground to feed the house and the outside lavatory?

If the supply comes via the house there may not be too much of a
problem in fitting a stop tap in the house to the feed to "outside".


--
Frank Erskine