Hi all

Back in the kitchen again.
Is 240v concealed lighting available/desirable as opposed to low voltage
stuff with transformers?
I am just running first fix wiring to each location based on 240v and don't
want to have to back-track with any of this.

TIA


Phil

On 14 July, 12:07, "TheScullster" wrote:
Hi all

Back in the kitchen again.
Is 240v concealed lighting available/desirable as opposed to low voltage
stuff with transformers?
I am just running first fix wiring to each location based on 240v and don't
want to have to back-track with any of this.

TIA

Phil

Short answer, LV are always preferable to mains downlighters.

At installatiopn just use a trafo per point, no wiring changes from
240 circuit.

Whether LV downlighters are great as kitchen ;lights , whole other
debate....

Cheers
Adam

In article ,
"TheScullster" writes:
Hi all

Back in the kitchen again.
Is 240v concealed lighting available/desirable as opposed to low voltage
stuff with transformers?

Can you explain what you mean by "concealed lighting", as your
question seems rather weird with the conventional meaning?

I am just running first fix wiring to each location based on 240v and don't
want to have to back-track with any of this.

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

"Andrew Gabriel" wrote


Can you explain what you mean by "concealed lighting", as your
question seems rather weird with the conventional meaning?


Sorry yes it all seems blatantly obvious inside your own head as you type!

The concealed lighting is like mini-strip type stuff under wall cupboards to
provide low level lighting in evenings.
OK for making tea as it is concentrated at worktops, but not enough for
reading cook books!

Is "concealed lighting" now used to describe recessed ceiling halogens or
something?

Phil

TheScullster wrote:

The concealed lighting is like mini-strip type stuff under wall cupboards to
provide low level lighting in evenings.

I installed a roundpin 3A socket above each "run" of cupboards, then
just fed the first cable down the back of a cupboard to the lights
underneath, they all daisy chain together from there.

If you ever wanted to switch to 12V lighting, you could park the
transformer on top of the cupboard and dangle the 12V down to the lights
instead.

TheScullster wrote:
"Andrew Gabriel" wrote


Can you explain what you mean by "concealed lighting", as your
question seems rather weird with the conventional meaning?


Sorry yes it all seems blatantly obvious inside your own head as you
type!
The concealed lighting is like mini-strip type stuff under wall
cupboards to provide low level lighting in evenings.
OK for making tea as it is concentrated at worktops, but not enough
for reading cook books!

Is "concealed lighting" now used to describe recessed ceiling
halogens or something?

Maybe "under cupboard lighting" would have been better? ;-)

On Jul 14, 2:40*pm, "TheScullster" wrote:
"Andrew Gabriel" wrote



Can you explain what you mean by "concealed lighting", as your
question seems rather weird with the conventional meaning?

Sorry yes it all seems blatantly obvious inside your own head as you type!

The concealed lighting is like mini-strip type stuff under wall cupboards to
provide low level lighting in evenings.
OK for making tea as it is concentrated at worktops, but not enough for
reading cook books!

Is "concealed lighting" now used to describe recessed ceiling halogens or
something?

Phil

If you mean linear fluorescent, its a big improvement on halogen, but
pick your tubes with care, there are too many poor ones about. If you
mean linear filament striplight, avoid it no matter what.


NT

"NT" wrote

If you mean linear fluorescent, its a big improvement on halogen, but
pick your tubes with care, there are too many poor ones about. If you
mean linear filament striplight, avoid it no matter what.


Yes thanks NT that's exactly what I meant!
There seem to be a plethora of technologies out there - LED, SELV, mains
fluorescent etc.
Is there a perceived best option?
I like the linear fluorescent, but are these available both mains and LV and
if so which is best and why?
Are fluorescent strips now energy saving or are they going to be phased out
in the near future?

Phil

"TheScullster" wrote in message
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"NT" wrote

If you mean linear fluorescent, its a big improvement on halogen, but
pick your tubes with care, there are too many poor ones about. If you
mean linear filament striplight, avoid it no matter what.


Yes thanks NT that's exactly what I meant!
There seem to be a plethora of technologies out there - LED, SELV, mains
fluorescent etc.
Is there a perceived best option?
I like the linear fluorescent, but are these available both mains and LV
and if so which is best and why?
Are fluorescent strips now energy saving or are they going to be phased
out in the near future?

Phil

Fluorescent strips are energy saving.

Adam

On 15 July, 08:47, "TheScullster" wrote:
"NT" wrote

If you mean linear fluorescent, its a big improvement on halogen, but
pick your tubes with care, there are too many poor ones about. If you
mean linear filament striplight, avoid it no matter what.

Yes thanks NT that's exactly what I meant!
There seem to be a plethora of technologies out there - LED, SELV, mains
fluorescent etc.
Is there a perceived best option?
I like the linear fluorescent, but are these available both mains and LV and
if so which is best and why?
Are fluorescent strips now energy saving or are they going to be phased out
in the near future?

Phil

Not suprised your confused, lot of money seems to be going in to
confusing rather than educating consumer...

Fluro dosen`t tend to be LV apart from for special uses like caravans
and boats, no advantage to LV fluro in the home.

For under cupboard lighting , unless your budget is big or your light
requirements are low LED is not yet best option.

Its a kitchen, in general use ,sharp knives, hot cookers and boiling
fluids , too bright isn`t an issue.

Slightly differnt requirements for late night fridge raid , so put in
multiway switching so don`t use full Wembley illumination when its not
needed.

LED has some way to go before it is the only answer to all lighting
needs, fluro is has very good efficiency and will be available for
foreseeable future.

For undercupboard look for T5 fluro and avoid T4, came up on here
recently as to why, ebay is definately a good value source for the
components.

Cheers
Adasm

"Adam Aglionby" wrote

Not suprised your confused, lot of money seems to be going in to
confusing rather than educating consumer...

Fluro dosen`t tend to be LV apart from for special uses like caravans
and boats, no advantage to LV fluro in the home.

For under cupboard lighting , unless your budget is big or your light
requirements are low LED is not yet best option.

Its a kitchen, in general use ,sharp knives, hot cookers and boiling
fluids , too bright isn`t an issue.

Slightly differnt requirements for late night fridge raid , so put in
multiway switching so don`t use full Wembley illumination when its not
needed.

LED has some way to go before it is the only answer to all lighting
needs, fluro is has very good efficiency and will be available for
foreseeable future.

For undercupboard look for T5 fluro and avoid T4, came up on here
recently as to why, ebay is definately a good value source for the
components.

Cheers
Adasm


Thanks to both Adams

I'll proceed with mains feeds direct to u/side of cupboards and forget LV

Phil

On Jul 15, 8:47*am, "TheScullster" wrote:
"NT" wrote

If you mean linear fluorescent, its a big improvement on halogen, but
pick your tubes with care, there are too many poor ones about. If you
mean linear filament striplight, avoid it no matter what.

Yes thanks NT that's exactly what I meant!

which?

There seem to be a plethora of technologies out there - LED, SELV, mains
fluorescent etc.

Under cabinet choices are basically halogen, linear fluorescent and
LED, and if you're unwise linear incandescent or 15/25w pygmy lamps.

Is there a perceived best option?

fluorescent offers:
- the best energy & cost efficiency,
- complete user control of the light produced - though that does mean
you can go wrong when buying tubes

Filament: excessively energy hungry, yellowy light, heating of
cabinets
halogen: glare, energy hungry
LED: lousy light quality, high price


I like the linear fluorescent, but are these available both mains and LV and
if so which is best and why?

mains, LV is only a useful option for halogens


Are fluorescent strips now energy saving or are they going to be phased out
in the near future?


NT